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RhB Red Coach Livery
« on: September 09, 2020, 05:08:01 PM »
Would anyone happen to know which shade of red the Rheatian Railway paint their EW1 coaching stock please?

A RAL number or a Humbrol equivalent would be useful, as I've about to paint a Shapeways RhB Bt Driving Trailer (Steuerwagon)….
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Re: RhB Red Coach Livery
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2020, 06:48:08 PM »
I've seen two or three mentions on google of "RhB-Rot" being a signal red "somewhere between RAL 3001 and RAL 3020".

Saw a post from a forum thread way back in 2004 which suggested Revell 330 as a basis.

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Re: RhB Red Coach Livery
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2020, 06:57:15 PM »
According to a document called "Farbanstriche und Beschriftungen an RhB- Fahrzeugen" (found on a slightly dubious document scraping type web site) you want "„RhB - rot“ für Streckenlokomotiven und Personenwagen: Signalrot zwischen Ral 3001 und 3020", which I translate as "signal red between RAL 3001 and RAL 3020".

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Re: RhB Red Coach Livery
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2020, 06:59:18 PM »
@Jim Easterbrook We obviously looked at the same dubious sites  :D
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Re: RhB Red Coach Livery
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2020, 07:32:28 PM »
The RhB red is NCS 1680Y94R according to RhB colour sample. I guess the above document was not from the RhB but compiled by a modeller as a guide for painting, as RAL colours are easier to obtain than NCS.

Official RhB colour sample PDFs from a post at the spur-N-schweiz forum:
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Re: RhB Red Coach Livery
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2020, 09:12:09 PM »
Thanks chaps!

I have a tinny of Humbrol Signal Red so I will see how it looks....
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Re: RhB Red Coach Livery
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2020, 11:27:36 AM »
So, having primed my Shapeways Steuerwagon earlier in the week, I took the plunge and brushed on a coat of Humbrol Gloss Signal Red....





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Re: RhB Red Coach Livery
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2020, 11:29:33 AM »
I think it'll be close enough to the shade of red on the Kato EW1 coaches it will run will....




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Re: RhB Red Coach Livery
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2020, 12:12:20 PM »
I guess the primer will prevent a problem I had with Humbrol enamel on Shapeways prints - the paint never cured and remained sticky to the touch! It's one reason why I've switched to acrylics now.

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Re: RhB Red Coach Livery
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2020, 12:30:20 PM »
I guess the primer will prevent a problem I had with Humbrol enamel on Shapeways prints - the paint never cured and remained sticky to the touch! It's one reason why I've switched to acrylics now.

I'm no expert when it comes to painting, but the advice I was given was to clean and dry the work thoroughly, always use a primer and don't rush. The primer is what helps the top coats adhere to the surface.

Allow plenty of time for the paint to cure between coats.

I usually spray paint my G scale models, but for these smaller N gauge items it is more economical to use a brush.

Humbrol used to do very small spray areosol cans, but my Model Shop in BSE says these haven't been available for quite a number of years now.

So needs must; use a brush....
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Re: RhB Red Coach Livery
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2020, 12:13:53 AM »
Wilko gloss red on some of my kitbashed and Shapeways RhB stuff...
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Re: RhB Red Coach Livery
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2020, 12:16:18 AM »
I spent too much stress and effort trying to get RAL numbers etc, and in the end just use several different bright reds (brush on and spray - water based not enamel) from the usual suspects (Vallejo, Tamiya, Humbrol spray etc). Most bright reds will look adequately like RhB red. And of course there is the question of whether Kato's RhB red is actually accurate!
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Re: RhB Red Coach Livery
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2020, 12:19:25 AM »
I guess the primer will prevent a problem I had with Humbrol enamel on Shapeways prints - the paint never cured and remained sticky to the touch! It's one reason why I've switched to acrylics now.

I'm no expert when it comes to painting, but the advice I was given was to clean and dry the work thoroughly, always use a primer and don't rush. The primer is what helps the top coats adhere to the surface.



Indeed, wash in lukewarm water, rub with finger or an old toothbrush to get rid of the sheen from the manufacturing process (Resin and 3D productions).

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Re: RhB Red Coach Livery
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2020, 02:17:38 PM »
Sloooowly getting there with the paintwork, but does anyone know where I can get glazing and transfers for the BDt please....
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Re: RhB Red Coach Livery
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2020, 07:28:06 PM »
Well, I wasn't happy with the paint work, so I flattened it off with 240 grade glasspaper, and used a thinned down paint mixture on one side of the BDt coach.

I will leave it for 24 hours to dry before I paint the other side, but I think it looks better, and I'm much happier with the finish....



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