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Offline c6250

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Equivalent colour
« on: July 23, 2020, 08:17:24 AM »
I picked up a rather battered Minitrix DB V200 and would like to do some touch up on the body. Can any one tell me what is the equivalent/close-enough acrylic paint from tamiya for the red body and the grey roof please.
Humbrol is definitely out of reach from where I live.
Any  suggestions on available transfer for marking is also appreciated.
Thank you.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2020, 08:19:28 AM by c6250 »

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Re: Equivalent colour
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2020, 10:15:28 AM »
I guess it depends exactly which livery is on the loco?

Here's a list of RAL colours used on German, Swiss and Austrian  railways over the years

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAL-Eisenbahnfarben#RAL-Farben_der_Deutschen_Bundesbahn_1949%E2%80%931993


I'm guessing you want Purpurrot  RAL 3004  and Mausgrau RAL 7005

There are several sources of colour conversion charts from RAL to various model paint systems.  Of course there isn't always an exact match to the RAL you need in the range you want/need to use

This chart seems to suggest XF9 for purple red and XF66 for mouse grey

https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/magento/media/downloads/Revell_Paint_Conversion_Chart_Mag.pdf

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Re: Equivalent colour
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2020, 10:46:55 AM »
Main problem is that Minitrix is producing V200s since fifty years. As it’s battered I guess you have one of the earlier models – these have buffer beams and front skirts that move with the bogies. (A photo would be helpful.)

Earlier the producers made the colours lighter as on a small area the colours look darker than in reality. In more recent years there is a trend to use the original RAL colours. So, even if you would find a paint that is exactly like RAL 3004 it would almost be certainly different to the red of your model.

Decals for the V200 are available from Germany but it would be good if you let us know which version of V200 you have and which era you want to model as there are some options.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2020, 10:58:19 AM by Hiawatha »
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Re: Equivalent colour
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2020, 11:35:52 AM »
Yes, as Peter says colours used have changed over the years.

Here's an original 1970s Minitrix V200 above a 1990s model,  the colours are darker on the later version. The red is subtly darker but the grey is noticeably different.



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Re: Equivalent colour
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2020, 12:47:50 PM »
Mine is the type on top.

Thanks everyone. Thank you.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2020, 12:49:10 PM by c6250 »

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Re: Equivalent colour
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2020, 11:03:31 AM »
I guess it depends exactly which livery is on the loco?

Here's a list of RAL colours used on German, Swiss and Austrian  railways over the years

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAL-Eisenbahnfarben#RAL-Farben_der_Deutschen_Bundesbahn_1949%E2%80%931993


I'm guessing you want Purpurrot  RAL 3004  and Mausgrau RAL 7005

There are several sources of colour conversion charts from RAL to various model paint systems.  Of course there isn't always an exact match to the RAL you need in the range you want/need to use

This chart seems to suggest XF9 for purple red and XF66 for mouse grey

https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/magento/media/downloads/Revell_Paint_Conversion_Chart_Mag.pdf

Bookmarked this, thanks Nick....
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Re: Equivalent colour
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2020, 09:31:01 AM »
Any  suggestions on available transfer for marking is also appreciated.

Okay, you have a V200.1/BR 221 (Minitrix also made the V200.0/BR 220), so these would be suitable decals for restoring:

For epoch III (1960s or in preservation)
https://www.modellbahndecals.de/Decals-Loks/Komplettbeschriftungen-90/Epoche-120/DB-Dieselloks-200/-Nassschiebebilder--Lok-Komplettbeschriftung-V200-1---DB--Epoche-3--Artikel-Nummer--7562-.html

or for epoch IV (1968–1980s)
https://www.modellbahndecals.de/Decals-Loks/Komplettbeschriftungen-90/Epoche-121/DB-Dieselloks-198/-Nassschiebebilder--Lok-Komplettbeschriftung-220-1---DB--Epoche-4--Artikel-Nummer--7564-.html

Not sure though if restoring this old Minitrix is worthwhile. After shelling out for the colours and decals it is still a poor model of a V200.1, while you can get a brand new one from Piko for less than €100.
Peter

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Re: Equivalent colour
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2020, 01:29:39 AM »
The same chassis was used for the Minitrix BR Warship of course.

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