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« on: December 07, 2019, 03:07:16 PM »
Hi all,
 I've been thinking for a while of building a new small layout to replace my ageing Cridmore Yard 4x2 layout.
This time I'm thinking of entering the unknown world (to me) of DCC....

The new layout will also have to be 4x2 in size due to lack of space to go where the Cridmore Yard layout currently sits. I'm thinking of doing a colliery sidings based one, of very similar design to my boxfile colliery as it will give a little more space to run trains & be more of a permanent set up.

I want to use Code 55 Electrofrogs which will be a better bet for slow running than the old code 80 setrack insulfrog points & track I have on both the Cridmore Yard & boxfile layouts.

I've been reading up about DCC controllers & it seems the NCE Power cab seems to be a popular option?

Also I'm going to have the challenge of converting a handful of locos to operate on this layout to DCC, including 04, 08 shunters which may be interesting...

As there will be a few sidings for shunting wagons I'm guessing DCC works well for this?

My rough plan/idea at the moment for the new layout is an oval of track (probably single line) and then the colliery exchange sidings in the middle of the baseboard.

That's all my rambling done for now  :D

I expect I'll have more questions soon!

Any opinions & ideas greatly appreciated.

Cheers, Stu
« Last Edit: December 15, 2019, 08:47:50 PM by mk1gtstu »
My Box File Layout (South Wales Valleys Colliery) http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=10430.0

Porthkerry (A South Wales layout in BR Blue) http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39654.0
 
Abercwm Colliery (South Wales Area) https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=47521.0

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Re: Possible new layout (As yet un-named)
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2019, 03:12:00 PM »
I can't help with any DCC questions as I don't/never will use it but I concur with going down the code 55 electrofrog route and think a decent coupling/uncoupling system should be high on the priority list for a sidings based type layout. Good luck with the build, Stu

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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2019, 03:18:26 PM »
I can't help with any DCC questions as I don't/never will use it but I concur with going down the code 55 electrofrog route and think a decent coupling/uncoupling system should be high on the priority list for a sidings based type layout. Good luck with the build, Stu

Thank you Mick. Yes, since building my Porthkerry layout with  all electrofrog code 55 the running of trains is superb compared to the old insulfrog track with locos stopping on every point  ;D Which is why any new layout I build I will go electrofrog in future. The DCC side of things is all new to me so that will be a steep learning curve. I will be keeping Porthkerry as a DC only layout & this new build will just have a handful of DCC locos hopefully to keep costs down.

Cheers, Stu
« Last Edit: December 15, 2019, 08:48:20 PM by mk1gtstu »
My Box File Layout (South Wales Valleys Colliery) http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=10430.0

Porthkerry (A South Wales layout in BR Blue) http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39654.0
 
Abercwm Colliery (South Wales Area) https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=47521.0

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Re: Possible new layout (As yet un-named)
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2019, 04:09:48 PM »
If you're going to use electrofrogs with DCC though, you are going to need to make them DCC friendly. See https://dccwiki.com/PECO_Electrofrog for an overview of this, albeit referenced specifically to PECO turn outs.
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Re: Possible new layout (As yet un-named)
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2019, 04:24:46 PM »
If you're going to use electrofrogs with DCC though, you are going to need to make them DCC friendly. See https://dccwiki.com/PECO_Electrofrog for an overview of this, albeit referenced specifically to PECO turn outs.

Isn't that guide for OO/HO turnouts, rather than N-gauge?
The (broken) link at the bottom states OO/HO, and the article refers to wires and gaps in the closure rails which I have never seen on any of my code 80 turnouts, don't know about code 55.

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Re: Possible new layout (As yet un-named)
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2019, 04:29:28 PM »
I had assumed that the differences between insulfrog and electrofrog turnouts was universal across scales? I am still early in my layout construction and have so far opted for insulfrog turnouts in order to be more readily switch to DCC once I get to that point i. My layout construction. At the moment, I just have an analog transformer just to "get things going".
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Re: Possible new layout (As yet un-named)
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2019, 04:45:57 PM »
Because the Peco N Gauge points are NOT a scaled down OO point there is no need in N Gauge to mod Electrofrogs for DCC. I've got 70 on my layout and none have been modified.

Just because the NCE PowerCab is popular doesn't mean it's the best choice for you.

Buying a DCC controller is like buying a car, they all do basically the same thing, but just because your neighbours all have Ford's doesn't mean you'll like them and you may prefer a Peugeot instead.

The best advice when it comes to DCC systems is to try a few out and see which one suits you.

For the record I have a Z21 and much prefer the look and feel of European systems (ESU, Digikeijs, Z21, etc) to US designed systems (NCE Digitrax, Gaugemaster(MRC), etc).

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https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39501.msg476247#msg476247

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Re: Possible new layout (As yet un-named)
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2019, 04:49:59 PM »
Thanks for the advice John. I think I might just take your suggestion and do some playing, although this might mean that I need to bring forward my DCC control unit purchase earlier than previously planned.
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Re: Possible new layout (As yet un-named)
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2019, 04:54:49 PM »
Thanks for the advice John. I think I might just take your suggestion and do some playing, although this might mean that I need to bring forward my DCC control unit purchase earlier than previously planned.

Just sent a PM with a bit more detail so as not to hijack the thread.

John P
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https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39501.msg476247#msg476247

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Re: Possible new layout (As yet un-named)
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2019, 04:57:25 PM »

Buying a DCC controller is like buying a car, they all do basically the same thing, but just because your neighbours all have Ford's doesn't mean you'll like them and you may prefer a Peugeot instead.


OOPS.

After reading your signature I probably should have said  "just because all your neighbours have Peugeots, doesn't mean you'll like them......." :D

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Re: Possible new layout (As yet un-named)
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2019, 06:10:02 PM »
I've found the Guagemaster Prodigy Advance a very good DCC controller.  I can control all the locos and routes from it easily and run three locos at a time without assistance.  It does, occasionally, have a problem in that the dial sometimes doesn't respond to speed changes, but there are other ways of achieving the speed changes.  Apparantly, it is a kinown problem and they have said to send it back, although I don't want to do that until I have another controller to use in its absence. 

Also, I am now sold on the Peco Unifrogs, although they are only available in the medium radius turnout variety.  But they don't require IRJs unless, like me, you run a dogbone and require a crossover from UP to DOWN.  But there are ways around that as well.
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Re: Possible new layout (As yet un-named)
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2019, 11:14:21 PM »
Yes sticking with code 55 and live frogs is a good idea. I have not modded mine apart from adding a wire to the frog and using switches on Cobalt motors to change the polarity. If you decide to use peco motors or Seep and switches, you need to take a lot of care setting them up, I gave up and cheated and used a frog juicer. On my new layout I am building I am just using Cobalt motors. By the way I use a NCE Powercab based system, I upgraded mine though with the smart booster and I use PSX Circuit breakers splitting the layout into 4 sections.
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2019, 10:53:54 AM »

Buying a DCC controller is like buying a car, they all do basically the same thing, but just because your neighbours all have Ford's doesn't mean you'll like them and you may prefer a Peugeot instead.


OOPS.

After reading your signature I probably should have said  "just because all your neighbours have Peugeots, doesn't mean you'll like them......." :D

John P

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« Last Edit: December 15, 2019, 08:51:38 PM by mk1gtstu »
My Box File Layout (South Wales Valleys Colliery) http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=10430.0

Porthkerry (A South Wales layout in BR Blue) http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39654.0
 
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2019, 10:59:29 AM »
Cheers all for the replies & help so far  :thankyousign: I've ordered some of the PECO track wiring & DCC booklets so hopefully they will also help me a bit to learn about DCC & how to wire it all up when I have decided on a track plan.
Being used to DC layouts, the DCC is a bit alien to me at the moment.


Cheers, Stu

« Last Edit: December 15, 2019, 08:52:07 PM by mk1gtstu »
My Box File Layout (South Wales Valleys Colliery) http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=10430.0

Porthkerry (A South Wales layout in BR Blue) http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39654.0
 
Abercwm Colliery (South Wales Area) https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=47521.0

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Re: Possible new layout (As yet un-named)
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2019, 11:12:36 AM »
This chappie might help you a bit..........

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