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Stove R and chassis.
« on: December 02, 2019, 06:04:23 PM »
With all the 'excitement' over the upcoming Ferryvan project, I was just wondering if we are ever going to see Stove-R chassis again?

There's a lot of kits designed for this chassis, and a lot of members, if I recall correctly, that were requesting action on this topic as they were waiting for chassis. Is there any progress, is there going to be any progress, or are the membership that want these being ignored in favour of a more modern model?

In case there's any confusion, I am having a bit of a dig.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2019, 06:48:28 PM by emjaybee »
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Re: Stove R and chassis.
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2019, 12:24:45 PM »
It's unfortunate that you are having a dig, when a simple respectful question would have elicited a response all the same.

If only people could just be nice, the world would be a much better place......

It would also have been helpful if the question had been asked directly of the Society, i.e. via the NGS Groups.io forum, the Facebook page, or any of the relevant email addresses supplied at the front of each journal, rather than via a non-NGS forum.

In answer to the question, at the last shout enquiries were being made with regards what form any possible re-run would take, and whether or not it was possible to order only chassis, if indeed that was what the Society wanted to do. I have not heard what the result of these discussions were, but I will investigate further and get back to you.

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Re: Stove R and chassis.
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2019, 01:16:22 PM »
It was only a little dig, but please accept my apologies.

Thank you for the comprehensive reply. There was a fairly in-depth discussion elsewhere, and the impression I got was that people were keen to move forward, in fact if I recall correctly running numbers were discussed, and then the discussion just stopped.

In regard to where I asked the question, there are many of us that will not have anything to do with Facebook in any way, shape or form. As regards to the groups.io forum I find it horrible to use as it is a bit archaic and outdated. Its also not just for NGS members, so it's no different from the N Gauge Forum except that the latter is easy and pleasant to use.

Thanks again for the reply, and, again, I apologise for the way I asked. Perhaps I shouldn't post late night after looking at possible kits that all require the six-wheel.

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Re: Stove R and chassis.
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2019, 01:23:00 PM »

 again, I apologise for the way I asked.

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Accepted, appreciated and moved on.

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Re: Stove R and chassis.
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2019, 02:21:30 PM »
I don't know the latest discussions but the issue last time the NGS looked at this was not a lack of willingness on the part of the NGS but simply that previously the chassis had been produced with re-orders of the Stove R and with no imminent possibility of re-ordering the Stove R (due to MoQs) then getting the chassis alone wasn't possible.

That is at least 2 years out of date (possibly more like 3 or 4) but I  would have thought that some of the same considerations are still relevant.

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Re: Stove R and chassis.
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2019, 02:25:16 PM »
Maybe something for one of our 3D specialists?

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Re: Stove R and chassis.
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2019, 03:04:44 PM »
I don't know the latest discussions but the issue last time the NGS looked at this was not a lack of willingness on the part of the NGS but simply that previously the chassis had been produced with re-orders of the Stove R and with no imminent possibility of re-ordering the Stove R (due to MoQs) then getting the chassis alone wasn't possible.

That is at least 2 years out of date (possibly more like 3 or 4) but I  would have thought that some of the same considerations are still relevant.

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There was a fairly in-depth discussion within the last twelve months rattling around on the .io group about it.

What the heck is 'MoQs'?

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Re: Stove R and chassis.
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2019, 03:07:22 PM »
Maybe something for one of our 3D specialists?

Maybe. There's a fair number of kits/prints that all require the chassis. All those manufacturers say 'Chassis available from N Gauge Society', er, no.  :(
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Re: Stove R and chassis.
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2019, 03:12:32 PM »
What the heck is 'MoQs'?

Minimum order quantities (should have been MOQs probably!)



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Re: Stove R and chassis.
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2019, 03:55:04 PM »
What the heck is 'MoQs'?

Minimum order quantities (should have been MOQs probably!)

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Re: Stove R and chassis.
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2019, 04:39:12 PM »
What the heck is 'MoQs'?

Minimum order quantities (should have been MOQs probably!)

Ta.

Following on from that statement, are the NGS holding the rights to that model, or do Dapol hold it? With the entrance of Sonic, and your relationship with Rapido is it possible to pass the job to them?

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Re: Stove R and chassis.
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2019, 04:54:07 PM »
Following on from that statement, are the NGS holding the rights to that model, or do Dapol hold it? With the entrance of Sonic, and your relationship with Rapido is it possible to pass the job to them?

My understanding is that the NGS owns the tooling (held by Dapol). Asking Sonic/Rapido/Revolution to use the tooling is very unlikely to change the MOQs for the better (and in some cases they would be higher).

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Re: Stove R and chassis.
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2019, 07:24:39 PM »
Having looked into this via a couple of sources, the situation is as follows.

The NGS Shopkeep has been authorised to order a new run of the Stove R, including bare chassis from Dapol. However, this won't happen until the Hunslet shunters are dealt with and some of the capital tied up in that project starts flowing back into the Society bank account.

A rough proposed order and restock timescale has been suggested, but I'm not going to make that public for teh obvious  reasons.

Let's just say that it's in hand and as things stand it will happen.

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Re: Stove R and chassis.
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2019, 09:00:05 PM »
Having looked into this via a couple of sources, the situation is as follows.

The NGS Shopkeep has been authorised to order a new run of the Stove R, including bare chassis from Dapol. However, this won't happen until the Hunslet shunters are dealt with and some of the capital tied up in that project starts flowing back into the Society bank account.

A rough proposed order and restock timescale has been suggested, but I'm not going to make that public for teh obvious  reasons.

Let's just say that it's in hand and as things stand it will happen.

Best

Scott

Great stuff, completely understand the sensible approach of making sure the cashflow is there. I'll probably be ordering a bunch of chassis to stock up for future projects once they're available.

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Re: Stove R and chassis.
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2019, 09:11:31 PM »
Having looked into this via a couple of sources, the situation is as follows.

The NGS Shopkeep has been authorised to order a new run of the Stove R, including bare chassis from Dapol. However, this won't happen until the Hunslet shunters are dealt with and some of the capital tied up in that project starts flowing back into the Society bank account.

A rough proposed order and restock timescale has been suggested, but I'm not going to make that public for teh obvious  reasons.

Let's just say that it's in hand and as things stand it will happen.

Best

Scott

All very sensibly prudent. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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