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SNCF Corail coach bodies - 3D printed
« on: June 25, 2019, 07:35:01 PM »
Continuing my 40+ year love affair with Corail compartment coaches, I have just placed 15 new models in my Shapeways shop:-
 
A5t2u Vu75 Téoz (2 versions)
B3Su Téoz (2 versions Vu78 and VU86)
B7uh Vu83 Intercités and TER (Sliding plug door for handicapped access)
B11u Corail, Intercités and TER - (4 versions Vu75, Vu78,Vu83, Vu83 sliding plug doors) (Vu80 available from Piko)
A9u Vu75 Corail and TER
A10u Vu78 Corail, intercités and TER (different from the Piko version)
A4B6u Vu75 Corail and TER
B6Du Vu86 (different from the Piko Vu78)
B12u B3t7u A6t5u Vu85 (Cabine Huit and TER)
B5uxh réversible - matches up with the cab module already available on Shapeways from "Les petits trains de Théo".
 
The bodies are designed to reuse parts from Roco/Fleischmann Eurofimas which, whilst different in many ways (bogies and skirts), still look convincing with the new bodies on.
 
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Re: SNCF Corail coach bodies - 3D printed
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2019, 11:00:47 PM »
Thanks Mike - please forgive my ignorance but would any of them have run into Belgium over the last 10 years or so?

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Re: SNCF Corail coach bodies - 3D printed
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2019, 01:45:08 AM »
Cross frontier trains hauled by locomotives have been reducing over the past decade. But loco hauled has remained for overnight services and long distance international services, such as the regular Brussels - Luxembourg - Metz -Strasbourg - Basle services, pilgrimage trains to Lourdes and winter ski trains. Those which run in France will normally have French stock as part or sometimes the whole of the train. Regular types would be B11u, A9u, A4B6u, alongsides couchettes in the Piko N gauge range.
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Re: SNCF Corail coach bodies - 3D printed
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2019, 03:43:51 PM »
I have now added 5 additional items to my Shapeways listing.
First is the interior for a Corail ambulance coach with the beds in ambulance configuration, with 40 beds.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/BMRFD6YSM/sncf-corail-ambulance-amenagement-interieur-1-160?optionId=111213949

This interior fits into the other 4 items added - replacing the original interior of the Roco/Fleischmann Eurofima.

Ambulance coach Vu75 - original version with one small cut out for the electrical connections at each body end.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/AJQLACFWA/sncf-corail-ambulance-so-vu75-1-160-originale?optionId=111237724

Ambulance coach Vu75 - final version with two large cut outs in the body ends.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/6QLVJCUQZ/sncf-corail-ambulance-so-vu75-1-160-fin-de-vie?optionId=111238596

Ambulance coach Vu80 - original version with one small cut out for electrical connections at each end.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/FLBW3X3W3/sncf-corail-ambulance-so-vu80-1-160-originale?optionId=111238110

Ambulance coach Vu80 - final version with two large cut outs in the body ends.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/VWQ8KJSSJ/sncf-corail-ambulance-so-vu80-1-160-fin-de-vie?optionId=111238726

The difference between the Vu75 and Vu80 rests simply with the layout of the window to the left of the large central sliding door. This is a half drop on the Vu75, and a full non-opening window on the Vu80.

When I get a spare hour I will also draw up the interior for the 60 bed configuration used for group travel, and later the interiors for the B6Du 2nd class/baggage, the 10 compartment A10u, 12 compartment "Cabine 8", and the semi-open conversion of these to B3t7u/A6B5tu. These are the coaches where the donor Eurofima interiors do not exactly match the window spacings.
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Re: SNCF Corail coach bodies - 3D printed
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2019, 12:17:38 AM »
Thanks Mike - please forgive my ignorance but would any of them have run into Belgium over the last 10 years or so?

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Not really on a regular basis since the opening of LGV Nord. Some ran into Germany until LGV Est opened
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Re: SNCF Corail coach bodies - 3D printed
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2019, 01:33:34 PM »
I have added a further 3d printed body to my Shapeways shop. This is the 2nd class baggage car converted for use with the ambulance coaches in pilgrimage trains. The real coaches had hot drink making facilities and a medicine preparation area installed. A couple of the bodyside windows corresponding to this compartment were modified to half drops to facilitate loading equipment through them rather than using the large roller shutters. I have modified my previous file to reflect the window changes.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/3HARBUCWA/sncf-pelerins-mixte-fourgon-b5dux-b5dd2u-1-160?optionId=114942873
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2019, 12:18:59 PM »
I have added another variant to the range. This is a 2nd class baggage car with part of the baggage area converted to an accessible toilet. The non opening window in the baggage compartment has been replaced by a top opening window, using part of the glazing from the donor Roco/Fleischmann Eurofima coach.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/HAT72SFN7/sncf-corail-b7dux-ufr-pmr-vu78-1-160
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Re: SNCF Corail coach bodies - 3D printed
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2019, 04:29:45 PM »
Received a print of the pilgrimage train baggage car yesterday. It has just had a clean and a coat of primer to expose the bits which need a bit of sanding.



I have been getting consistent quality from Shapeways with these coach bodies. I am having a mass sanding session over the rest of this week before moving on to final liveries. This particular coach carried the original Corail two-tone grey with orange doors livery, before receiving the Corail+ colours of dark grey window band skirt and roof over metallic grey for the lower bodysides with a thin white stripe between the bodyside colours, finished off with a pale green door at the passenger compartment end, and a green or grey door at the baggage compartment end.

This is the real one at Lourdes:-

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-c073JB18OqA/U9KCsCkhy4I/AAAAAAAAh_A/TPj7c_UE7MU/s1600/M%25C3%25A0J+P%25C3%25A8lerins+calais++%25284%2529.JPG



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Re: SNCF Corail coach bodies, interiors and doors - 3D printed
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2019, 04:26:47 PM »
The final two orders for SNCF’s Corail open saloon coaches (Vtu) were fitted from new with sliding plug doors. These were 110 in the Vtu82 order made up of first class and second class versions plus some specials for the ill-fated “Fédora” special train project. The Vtu84 build was made up of 100 first/second class composites.

The original Lima Vtu coaches included a plug door option, but the more recent Piko models are uniquely fitted with the inset folding doors.

At the request of a French enthusiast I have just made available 3 sprues each of 40 doors (10 vehicles worth) for either just Vtu82, just Vtu84 or a 20/20 mixture of each. The doors are handed so different at each end of the vehicle when looked at from the side. The Vtu84 has the door opening button about 25cm lower than the Vtu82.

The new doors can be fitted without dismantling the Piko coach.

The conversion instructions in English are here:-

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UbaXmYjEQHKYwv8kAu1-4sIBI6R5Bw1-/view?usp=sharing

It is a really simple conversion.


This is a screen grab from the drawing file for the Vtu84.



This photo shows the 3D printed doors fitted to a coach in TER Rhône-Alpes livery.



I was surprised to find that I have only ever photographed one of these coaches which is seen here in a poor quality image taken at Lyon Part-Dieu on 12 August 2004.



The doors are on Shapeways now:-

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/moving-buses?section=Portes+Corail+1%2F160&s=0
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Re: SNCF Corail coach bodies - 3D printed
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2019, 08:04:30 PM »
@woodbury22uk Could you do some shortened Corails to fit onto cheaper chassis that would form (say) a good 10-coach rake or suchlike? I imagine some people would want such a thing, not least myself

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Re: SNCF Corail coach bodies - 3D printed
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2019, 12:02:25 PM »
Hi Peter

What do you suggest as a cheaper donor? The Fleischmann/Roco coaches are available second hand for £18-20, unless I have bought them all. The donor coach provides the chassis, reliable running gear, close couplers, glazing, gangways, interior fittings. etc.

I am not familiar with a suitable cheap alternative.

I designed these for my own purposes so was happy to spend the time on producing them. If you have a donor for me to work with I will happily produce a generic Corail for you on a private basis, and let you have the file to market yourself. Message me if you would like to proceed with this idea.

After 39 years producing Corail Vu coach kits using a variety of media from screen printing to etched brass, and now 3D printing, I would not feel comfortable offering a generic coach myself.

This is not a huge market - less than 100 of the 3D printed bodies have been bought so far.

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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2019, 02:11:10 PM »
I meant the generic sort of Corail that you probably don't want to make... my apologies. Might I thus suggest offering a chassis with bogies and perhaps even wheels then so that a full Corail can be made exclusively with your parts?

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Re: SNCF Corail coach bodies - 3D printed
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2019, 02:43:49 PM »
Hi Peter

As a matter of policy I don't reproduce models already available commercially. I could not offer them cheaper or better.

Really I cannot see the value in anyone reproducing the Vtu coach yet again when there are perfectly good second hand ones from Lima and Arnold regularly available. These are good models but a lot cheaper than the Piko versions which I have never purchased.

I have always based my models on a reliable smooth running donor chassis. Chassis and bogie design are not my forté, so I not going to produce something even as good as a commercial chassis. Bogies can be bought from Piko, and you could knock up a basic chassis from a length of plastic channel, but that is the stuff of 40 years back when I made my first scratchbuilt Vtu.

My advice would be to seek out the old Lima Vtu which was to scale, ran well enough, and is visible on second hand stalls at shows. HTH.

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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2019, 03:37:21 PM »
Where would I find such a thing?

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Re: SNCF Corail coach bodies - 3D printed
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2019, 03:58:06 PM »
They came in red and green , or silver and blue boxes marked Lima or Minitrains. They are often unboxed and mixed in with all sorts of miscellaneous bits and pieces at model railway shows on stalls selling N gauge rolling stock. There are about 9 different versions from Lima and Minitrains.. Later they were taken over by Arnold who produced over 20 different versions.

It might be worth contacting second hand specialists like Contikits or Anoraks Anonymous who may well have some, even if not in their listed stock online.
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