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Using Tomix finescale with Kato Unitrack
« on: April 17, 2019, 06:33:46 PM »
Has any Kato Unitrack user mixed in Tomix finescale track pieces within their layout?

Are the two systems comparable in the same way as Peco's Code 80 & 55, or are there other issues?

I'm considering using the Tomix 3 way and maybe their curved points, although expensive and would have to be order through Plaza-japan's eBay shop.

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Re: Using Tomix finescale with Kato Unitrack
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2019, 07:03:28 PM »
Tomix and Kato rail joiners are on the opposite sides for a start!  Both code 80 rail. 

I would think it would be easiest to remove the Unitrack joiner as they just need easing out with a screwdriver, but you'll need to find which rail joiners fit both rail sections

Unitrack (left), Tomix (right)


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If remove the Unijoiner then the Tomix rail joiner will fit the rail section, but the plastic clip on the end of the Tomix prevents full engagement so you'll need to cut that off.  Of course you'll also need rail joiners to replace the removed Unijoiners.  Can you get packs of Tomix joiners?  Otherwise maybe Fleischmann will fit? Peco definitely not.









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Yes, Fleischmann joiners work nicely with both Unitrack and Tomix rail section.  Fleischmann fit their joiners on the same side as Kato (and hence opposite to Tomix!)

Unitrack (left), Fleischmann (right)



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Re: Using Tomix finescale with Kato Unitrack
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2019, 08:14:38 PM »
Kato provides an adapter track piece (part number 20-045) which accepts Tomix track, though that might not be practical for mixing track pieces at will, particularly points.

I did at one point have a setup which was part Kato, part Tomix but gradually transitioned to Tomix, and only use Kato track for hidden storage sidings.
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Re: Using Tomix finescale with Kato Unitrack
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2019, 08:51:10 PM »
@ntpntpntp @railsquid
Thank you very much for your responses, particularly the photos highlighting the problems between the two systems.

Although I'm beginning to think I might have to rethink my planning, one further question please, Do the Tomix points also have the point motors build in like the Kato points?

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Re: Using Tomix finescale with Kato Unitrack
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2019, 09:01:20 PM »
Do the Tomix points also have the point motors build in like the Kato points?

I get the impression they do but @railsquid  will know. 

The only pieces of Tomix I have are an oval of plain track which came with a Thomas set, and I bought one of their wheel cleaner sections to see if any good (not actually played with it yet!)
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Re: Using Tomix finescale with Kato Unitrack
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2019, 11:38:42 PM »
Do the Tomix points also have the point motors build in like the Kato points?

I get the impression they do but @railsquid  will know. 

The only pieces of Tomix I have are an oval of plain track which came with a Thomas set, and I bought one of their wheel cleaner sections to see if any good (not actually played with it yet!)

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Re: Using Tomix finescale with Kato Unitrack
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2019, 11:40:30 PM »
Do the Tomix points also have the point motors build in like the Kato points?

I get the impression they do but @railsquid  will know. 

The only pieces of Tomix I have are an oval of plain track which came with a Thomas set, and I bought one of their wheel cleaner sections to see if any good (not actually played with it yet!)

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Re: Using Tomix finescale with Kato Unitrack
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2019, 11:49:38 PM »
Do the Tomix points also have the point motors build in like the Kato points?

I get the impression they do but @railsquid  will know. 


Correct, actually the "motors" are little rectangular units which are removeable (also available as dummies for manual-only point control).
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Re: Using Tomix finescale with Kato Unitrack
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2019, 02:25:53 AM »
I think curve radii and point geometry are different as well.

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Re: Using Tomix finescale with Kato Unitrack
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2019, 02:56:47 AM »
Do the Tomix points also have the point motors build in like the Kato points?

I get the impression they do but @railsquid  will know. 


Correct, actually the "motors" are little rectangular units which are removeable (also available as dummies for manual-only point control).

Like this (right: as installed; left: removed and flipped to show mechanism):


Tomix points (underside) by Rail Squid, on Flickr


(280mm radius points)


I think curve radii and point geometry are different as well.

Yup. Also track spacing (Kato: 33mm; Tomix: 37mm).

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Re: Using Tomix finescale with Kato Unitrack
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2019, 07:03:23 AM »
Thanks @railsquid .

While the issues that have been highlighted can probably be overcome, alas I think I'll surrender any plans I had to mix Tomix & Kato track systems  :(

One of the reasons for converting my layout from Peco to Kato is for less stress with the ability just to watch trains go by with the appropriate drink in hand, the idea being is to de-stress.

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Re: Using Tomix finescale with Kato Unitrack
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2019, 10:04:09 AM »
Kato Unitrack is also readily available - Tomix main european dealer appears to be DM_Toys (De) Tram track only - a very good shop though.

Otherwise Plaza Japan and ModelTrainPlus are recommended ( i prefer MTP myself - good service)

https://www.modeltrainplus.net/collections/tomix-track-n-scale
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Re: Using Tomix finescale with Kato Unitrack
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2019, 10:12:27 AM »
Thanks @railsquid .

While the issues that have been highlighted can probably be overcome, alas I think I'll surrender any plans I had to mix Tomix & Kato track systems  :(

One of the reasons for converting my layout from Peco to Kato is for less stress with the ability just to watch trains go by with the appropriate drink in hand, the idea being is to de-stress.

Thanks One and All for your input.

I like the idea very much  :beers:
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Re: Using Tomix finescale with Kato Unitrack
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2019, 11:24:30 AM »
I don't whether this is of help at all, but I have two Tomix double cross-overs on my Peco streamline layout, and have successfully used Gaugemaster rail joiners for joining the two.  The Gaugemaster ones are slightly bigger than the Peco ones, and fit the tomix track much better, after of course removing the tomix joiners.
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