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4-CEP Configuration
« on: March 12, 2019, 02:21:20 AM »
I searched the forum and didn't find anything, so apologies if this question has been asked before:

What was the configuration of a 4-CEP unit? My old (1970-ish Ian Allen Combined) lists a Motor Brake Second, a Trailer Composite, a trailer second, and a Motor Saloon Brake second. So I can put my new acquisition together correctly, but was the corridor consistently on one side or the other?

I seem to remember on the Waterloo-Bournemouth route the VEP's and REP's+TC's the config would move around from one side to the other.

Any ideas?

Muchos gracias

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Re: 4-CEP Configuration
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2019, 07:41:41 AM »
You can find the diagrams on this; scroll down a fair bit;

http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/BREMUDiagramsIssue.pdf

But I doubt if it will give the orientation of individual vehicles.

Can't help beyond that for actual orientation.

HTH

martyn
« Last Edit: March 12, 2019, 07:45:15 AM by martyn, Reason: Correction »

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Re: 4-CEP Configuration
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2019, 09:35:46 AM »
According to the leaflet which comes with the Farish 4-CEP, it goes (with driver cab facing away from you):
DMBSO, TC (compartment on left), TS (corridor now on left) then DMBSO
So yes they flip around the middle.

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Re: 4-CEP Configuration
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2019, 04:08:12 PM »
So yes they flip around the middle.

Thanks, just what I suspected!

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Re: 4-CEP Configuration
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2019, 04:24:58 PM »
You can find the diagrams on this; scroll down a fair bit;

HTH

martyn

Thanks, Martyn, there's a ton of information in that document! I'm curious why the BR 499 Motor Luggage Van shows periscopes facing fore and aft in the guard's compartment though - any ideas?

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Re: 4-CEP Configuration
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2019, 04:36:46 PM »
So the guard could see the rest of the train (if there was one) & signals regardless of which end the MLV was placed or which direction it was running.

No different to any other brake vehicle.


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Re: 4-CEP Configuration
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2019, 04:44:01 PM »
So the guard could see the rest of the train (if there was one) & signals regardless of which end the MLV was placed or which direction it was running.

No different to any other brake vehicle.

Makes sense, thank you. I never knew they existed. My first (ridiculous) thought was that the guard could scan the horizon for potential train robbers before he opened the door!

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Re: 4-CEP Configuration
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2019, 04:51:39 PM »
Yes, same as the Mk1 loco hauled coach brake compartments; the guard's lookout was removed from side mounted duckets and moved to periscopes on the roof so that the guard could monitor the progress of the train, if required, as per the Rule Book.

Made better use of loading gauge and also presumably easier coach construction, as there was no inset to the side in the vicinity of the brake area.

The Barrowmore site has a heck of a lot of information with diagram books and working instructions, all taken from original BR documents.

martyn

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Re: 4-CEP Configuration
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2019, 06:10:11 PM »
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Re: 4-CEP Configuration
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2019, 07:06:45 PM »
these   links may or may   not be of help :

http://www.bloodandcustard.com/cep001.html



Thank you, that first link confirms what JimSan reported.

The Trailer Second: "The corridor was to the offside when the adjacent motor coach was leading."
The Trailer Composite: "This coach was marshalled with the first class end towards the centre of the unit and the corridor side was the opposite to that of the trailer second."

 

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