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Longed for long carriages and long delays
« on: March 07, 2019, 07:46:34 AM »
This article on the BBC totally confused me.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47474956

The grammar is appalling.

I quote:
Northern's long six-carriage trains delayed by two years
By Tom Burridge
Transport correspondent, BBC News
Train operator Northern's six-carriage long services in and out of Leeds station have been delayed by two years, BBC News has learned.
The new trains were due to be introduced at the end of this year, but will now not begin until late 2021.
The delay is because longer platforms at Leeds will not be ready in time
After a disastrous 2018, Northern is under pressure to improve the reliability of its services and deal with overcrowding.
It has now emerged that the much longer services into Leeds on the busiest routes at peak times, which were planned as part of a timetable shake-up for this December, will not materialise until the end of 2021.
But Northern still plans to start phasing in a £500m fleet of new short trains from this spring.


I mean, why is a long six carriage train any different from a six carriage train. Not explained.

Why does Leeds City need longer platforms - it has some of the longest shared platforms in the country. Not explained.

They are not longer services - they dont run over longer timeframes, they are longer multiple units.

Come on Tom Burridge, the BBC has a perfectly good correspondent/N Gauge modeller who knows the difference between long train delays and delays in using long trains - but he prefers to deal with murders :)
Like you have murdered the English language.

To be fair, the second half of the article has much better grammar.

Am I a grumpy old man or what? Or should this be listed under (Northern) Jokes?

Bob



« Last Edit: March 07, 2019, 07:48:13 AM by Bob G »

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Re: Longed for long carriages and long delays
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2019, 08:00:04 AM »
Eye don’t no wot ewe meen.

It does feel like a thesaurus may have been handy. “Extended” may have been a better adjective than long in the context of the trains.

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Re: Longed for long carriages and long delays
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2019, 08:18:34 AM »
This is something which has long annoyed me about the BBC website.

The one-sentence paragraphs make for very strange reading.

It's even worse when things are garbled.

Or the writer is dumbing things down so far they are almost unintelligible.

A spokesman was unavailable for comment.
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Re: Longed for long carriages and long delays
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2019, 08:23:05 AM »
I wish to like register a complaint!

The article uses that dreadful elitist old-fashioned like term 'Leeds station'.  Totally like unacceptable in this day 'n' like age.

Surely a public service like broadcaster like like the BBC like knows that the like proper term is like 'Leeds train station'.  Like.
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Re: Longed for long carriages and long delays
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2019, 08:39:17 AM »
I’ve just watched a 3-4 minute clip of this on BBCs Breakfast Programme.
I think the vast majority of people now firmly believe that Leeds station (sorry, train station) has very short platforms.
The news feature was a total shambles of misinformation only picking out a few misguided items aimed at sensationalism.
A very poor effort by the BBC.
If it looks right then it most probably is right.


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Re: Longed for long carriages and long delays
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2019, 11:09:42 AM »
I gave up long ago at standards of English so am not surprised at the article concerned. Just this week I watched an episode of "Trains that changed the world". The, otherwise excellent, programme was ruined for me by a fairly well-spoken narrator who insisted on calling a locomotive/engine a 'train'

I wish to like register a complaint!

The article uses that dreadful elitist old-fashioned like term 'Leeds station'.  Totally like unacceptable in this day 'n' like age.

Surely a public service like broadcaster like like the BBC like knows that the like proper term is like 'Leeds train station'.  Like.

@Train Waiting
OMG - that's so, like, you know, funny :smiley-laughing:

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Re: Longed for long carriages and long delays
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2019, 02:44:57 PM »
Just this week I watched an episode of "Trains that changed the world". The, otherwise excellent, programme was ruined for me by a fairly well-spoken narrator who insisted on calling a locomotive/engine a 'train'

Just before reading this topic I read this one.

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=44664.msg557473#msg557473

 :hmmm:

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Re: Longed for long carriages and long delays
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2019, 03:07:44 PM »
Just this week I watched an episode of "Trains that changed the world". The, otherwise excellent, programme was ruined for me by a fairly well-spoken narrator who insisted on calling a locomotive/engine a 'train'

Just before reading this topic I read this one.

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=44664.msg557473#msg557473

 :hmmm:

Not sure I know what your point is. :-\

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Re: Longed for long carriages and long delays
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2019, 04:40:49 PM »
You appear to have done exactly what I talked about in Nookfield's link, however in your defence, errors like that in programmes about trains are wholly different and not at all what I was talking about.

Where it amuses me is when it's Inspector Morse that is "ruined" because the seats were clearly the wrong upholstery. I'd be annoyed about "train" being used synonymously with locomotive in a programme about trains (or locomotives!).

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Re: Longed for long carriages and long delays
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2019, 08:32:45 PM »
I gave up long ago at standards of English so am not surprised at the article concerned. Just this week I watched an episode of "Trains that changed the world". The, otherwise excellent, programme was ruined for me by a fairly well-spoken narrator who insisted on calling a locomotive/engine a 'train'

Technically, according to the Railway Signalling Regulations, a light locomotive is a train (Class 0).

Ron
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Re: Longed for long carriages and long delays
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2019, 10:33:23 AM »
I gave up long ago at standards of English so am not surprised at the article concerned. Just this week I watched an episode of "Trains that changed the world". The, otherwise excellent, programme was ruined for me by a fairly well-spoken narrator who insisted on calling a locomotive/engine a 'train'

Technically, according to the Railway Signalling Regulations, a light locomotive is a train (Class 0).

Ron

Somehow I don't think the programme makers or narrator (like me) know Signalling regulations, Ron :no:
My complaint has absolutely nothing to do with seat liveries or what colour underpants a driver was wearing etc but purely with poor use of the English language.
Just Google "dictionary definition of a train" and you'll see what I was getting at.

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Re: Longed for long carriages and long delays
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2019, 03:27:03 PM »
And again, to be clear I totally agree with you, it's common in programmes about trains for there to be glaring errors like that which really grate, and that's not what I was talking about in my comment.

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Re: Longed for long carriages and long delays
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2019, 03:51:17 PM »
MY comments are not aimed at you, Nick, but at anyone thinking I'm nitpicking the programme on the basis of railway inaccuracies. I'm well used to seeing/hearing them, and have long since stopped being surprised. It's just one of my pet hates is poor use/knowledge of the English language.

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Re: Longed for long carriages and long delays
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2019, 05:17:11 PM »
Couldn't agree more, I've noticed a growing number of simple spelling mistakes creeping into the BBC's articles too.

Society's going to the dogs I tells you!

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Re: Longed for long carriages and long delays
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2019, 05:21:33 PM »
I'll say we are going to the dogs.

In OO three new Terriers were announced this week: by Hornby, Dapol, and Rails.

Barking mad.
Makes you glad you model in N gauge with less chance of this happening (please can I have  RTR LMS Twins)

OFF TOPIC OR WHAT?
Happy weekend everyone
Bob


 

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