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Author Topic: A British domestic train from Kato?  (Read 827 times)

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Re: A British domestic train from Kato?
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2019, 10:27:11 PM »
So it'll be a 66 then. Nobody's done one of those yet.  ;)
Kato already do 66s in the correct scale for n gauge   :D

It’s correct for Europe (1/160)

They might do it to 1/150, especially if they could sell the model in its japanese version as well.
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Re: A British domestic train from Kato?
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2019, 10:47:01 PM »
Yes, That the joke... they’re all Coninental prototypes anyway, they’ve not actually done any UK models.

1/150 would be stupid. It would be wrong for the UK market, and it’s obviously totally wrong anyway for the Japanese market. If they wanted to do a 66 intended for the UK market they’d be insane to do anything other than 1:148 IMO. Can’t see it though, Farish and Dapol have the market pretty well down up. The obvious improvement would be sound fitted/easily compatible, and that’s not gonna come from Kato. 

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Re: A British domestic train from Kato?
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2019, 11:59:52 PM »
1/150 would be stupid. It would be wrong for the UK market, and it’s obviously totally wrong anyway for the Japanese market.

Both Kato and Tomix have released 1:150 continental prototypes which are also marketed in Japan. Though as they already do a 1:160 66, and it has no obvious Japanese connection, I don't imagine any developments there.
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Re: A British domestic train from Kato?
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2019, 12:02:41 AM »
They might do it to 1/150, especially if they could sell the model in its japanese version as well.

It wouldn't surprise me, as IIRC the 800 class is based on a Japanese prototype, so if the economically sane option is to modify existing tooling, then 1:150 it will be.

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Re: A British domestic train from Kato?
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2019, 12:07:40 AM »
They might do it to 1/150, especially if they could sell the model in its japanese version as well.

It wouldn't surprise me, as IIRC the 800 class is based on a Japanese prototype, so if the economically sane option is to modify existing tooling, then 1:150 it will be.

And the wailing and gnashing will be a thing to behold.

Wikipedia says the class 800s are based on Hitachi's A-Train concept, which Japanese model is the nearest to a representation of the 800s?
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Re: A British domestic train from Kato?
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2019, 12:13:41 AM »
They might do it to 1/150, especially if they could sell the model in its japanese version as well.


It wouldn't surprise me, as IIRC the 800 class is based on a Japanese prototype, so if the economically sane option is to modify existing tooling, then 1:150 it will be.

And the wailing and gnashing will be a thing to behold.


Wikipedia says the class 800s are based on Hitachi's A-Train concept, which Japanese model is the nearest to a representation of the 800s?


AFAIK the prototype is the 885 series which runs in Kyushu, Kato does a couple of variants:

http://www.katomodels.com/product/n/885kei
http://www.katomodels.com/product/n/885kei_sonic

I'm not familiar with either prototype (Kyushu is a long way away, and the UK even further...)
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Re: A British domestic train from Kato?
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2019, 12:29:24 AM »
They might do it to 1/150, especially if they could sell the model in its japanese version as well.


It wouldn't surprise me, as IIRC the 800 class is based on a Japanese prototype, so if the economically sane option is to modify existing tooling, then 1:150 it will be.

And the wailing and gnashing will be a thing to behold.


Wikipedia says the class 800s are based on Hitachi's A-Train concept, which Japanese model is the nearest to a representation of the 800s?


AFAIK the prototype is the 885 series which runs in Kyushu, Kato does a couple of variants:

http://www.katomodels.com/product/n/885kei
http://www.katomodels.com/product/n/885kei_sonic

I'm not familiar with either prototype (Kyushu is a long way away...)


I recall they tilt  :D

The difference from 1:150 to 1:148 is 1.3%. 

If Farish or Dapol were regularly within 1.3% of accuracy I would be ecstatic, and I use 2mm (1:152) items converted to N all the time.
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Re: A British domestic train from Kato?
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2019, 03:55:31 AM »
They might do it to 1/150, especially if they could sell the model in its japanese version as well.


It wouldn't surprise me, as IIRC the 800 class is based on a Japanese prototype, so if the economically sane option is to modify existing tooling, then 1:150 it will be.

And the wailing and gnashing will be a thing to behold.


Wikipedia says the class 800s are based on Hitachi's A-Train concept, which Japanese model is the nearest to a representation of the 800s?


AFAIK the prototype is the 885 series which runs in Kyushu, Kato does a couple of variants:

http://www.katomodels.com/product/n/885kei
http://www.katomodels.com/product/n/885kei_sonic

I'm not familiar with either prototype (Kyushu is a long way away...)


I recall they tilt  :D

The difference from 1:150 to 1:148 is 1.3%. 

If Farish or Dapol were regularly within 1.3% of accuracy I would be ecstatic, and I use 2mm (1:152) items converted to N all the time.


I don't have anything citeable at hand, but different Japanese manufacturers are perfectly capable of making models of exactly the same prototype with measurably different dimensions.

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Re: A British domestic train from Kato?
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2019, 06:36:26 AM »
1:150 would make more sense for the 800 than the 66, as it’ll never sit alongside a 1:148 one, unless Hornby then did a proper 1:148 one having recouped license costs from Kato. It would still be about an inch ‘too short’ over its length, which isn’t exactly trivial, but yes if they were modifying an existing tooling then it would be understandable.

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Re: A British domestic train from Kato?
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2019, 09:46:39 AM »
Well at least we know now it won't be sets of MK5s...... :D

 

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