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Re: ballasting tips
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2019, 10:36:22 AM »

- use a 2mm thick roll of cork under the track bed on the baseboard?

I've just finished ballastiing my latest project last night.

2mm cork cut into 1" wide strips. I use thinner cork in sidings where I don't want the track as high as the main running lines.

When laying curves use 2x 0.5" strip either side of the centreline as it's easier to lay round the curve


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- cover the whole baseboard in Cork tiles and lay the track on this?

Definitely not! A total waste of cork, you end up with an unnatural totally flat surface and eventuallly find yourself cutting/carving lumps out of it anyway. I've never understood why some people take that approach?


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Didn't know which would give the best profile for the ballast....

If you want to create a "shoulder" then use strips. It depends on the effect you're looking going for?  I'm modelling German railways and I prefer the look of a decent shoulder on mainline tracks at least.







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Re: ballasting tips
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2019, 10:45:10 AM »
Ntp3 has echoed my thoughts.  :beers:

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Re: ballasting tips
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2019, 11:18:16 AM »
I'm sure you can get rolls of the cork, about an inch wide, with a 45 degree cut down the centre.

you draw your centre line, lay out the length you need, finish the centre cut, then lay the square side to the centre line, and end up with a 45 degree shoulder ready for the ballast.

think I have some in my stash.
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Re: ballasting tips
« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2019, 11:26:02 AM »
I'm sure you can get rolls of the cork, about an inch wide, with a 45 degree cut down the centre.

Yes you can.

To be honest though it's just as easy to buy a sheet or roll and cut it into strips yourself with a craft knife and steel rule. Much cheaper that way, from sources other than model railway shops. There are loads of sellers on ebay, the last roll I bought came from a fridge magnet shop!

After laying the track, I just run a knife down the outside edge at 45 degrees if necessary.
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Re: ballasting tips
« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2019, 11:51:56 AM »
I'd never even bother with the 45 slope. Just fashioned the shoulder by hand.

Probably why it looks crap!  :-[
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Re: ballasting tips
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2019, 11:53:21 AM »
Cheers @Bealman and @ntpntpntp

Cork roll it is! Your examples all look like what I would like to achieve. 
You also answered my next question which was where is best to buy it!

To ebay.... :D

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Re: ballasting tips
« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2019, 01:16:00 PM »
To answer your question, Gavin I actually had a huge stock of WS underlay (don't ask!)  :-[ but have to say that it really made life easy but not cheap!

I agree that ballasting can negate any sound dampening qualities an underlay may provide.

If you use a latex based mixture (e.g. 50/50 Copydex/water) to glue the ballast, the sound is reduced compared to a PVA mix and very definitely if you use the DeLuxe Ballast Bond which seems to amplify the noise.

There's a whole section on ballasting methods so worth a good read and if you can, practice on a spare piece of track and board to see which method suits you.

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Re: ballasting tips
« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2019, 06:03:46 PM »
Cheers @Bealman and @ntpntpntp

Cork roll it is! Your examples all look like what I would like to achieve. 
You also answered my next question which was where is best to buy it!

To ebay.... :D

This may be of no use whatsoever being as I'm in the US, but I bought cork roll from our equivalent of B&Q or Homebase - it's called "EasyLiner" and is meant for lining drawers or shelves. It's self-adhesive, and the backing has a grid marked in a 1/2 inch grid (we're old school over here) which helped a lot when I was cutting strips. My rolls were 18" x 4' and cost around 10 bucks a pop.

As I said, probably completely useless information, but worth a look.

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Re: ballasting tips
« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2019, 07:52:18 PM »
i would look at suggestions made by dave g and ntpntpntp

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Re: ballasting tips
« Reply #54 on: September 08, 2019, 01:30:44 AM »
Right I managed to get a roll of 2mm thick cork in a 1 inch wide roll for  £12 for 15m. Should be plenty for my small project   :D

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Re: ballasting tips
« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2019, 08:56:48 PM »
B&Q sell rolls of cork in 2, 4 & 6mm thicknesses. Not all stores stock it but you can order online for delivery to the store next working day.

Much cheaper than buying from model suppliers for a little work.

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Re: ballasting tips
« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2019, 09:07:33 PM »
Theres an article in this months model rail magazine with useful tips and product reviews ballasting

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Re: ballasting tips
« Reply #57 on: September 22, 2019, 04:12:58 PM »
Plenty of thoughts shared here. Model Rail has, in the latest edition, an article on ballasting (in the skills station section) and they review some ballast glues. First in the list is Deluxe Materials' Ballast Bond. Anybody used this? What's it like? Watched a short video they made and the claim is that it is dilute and low enough in surface tension to not require any pre-wetting of the ballast? Is this so? No disturbance to the dry ballast, dries matt in a few hours etc.

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Re: ballasting tips
« Reply #58 on: September 22, 2019, 04:48:55 PM »

you missed the vital step 3.5   :D  :   tap the rails gently with the back of a spoon or similar, to bounce stray ballast grains off the tops of the sleepers before applying the glue.



If you use an electric toothbrush, take off the brush head, turn the toothbrush on and hold the metal spindle against the rail.

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Re: ballasting tips
« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2019, 04:51:23 PM »
just use diluted pva with 50 / 50 here

 

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