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Re: Society Kits Availability
« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2018, 10:22:51 AM »
Looks good Steve

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Re: Society Kits Availability
« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2018, 12:17:32 AM »
I see NGS are deprecating the cartic kits, a shame, a truly special kit offering I think, but I understand the reasoning....

[EDIT]I don't think I would ever get to being able to build one even if I did get my hands one some, would love RTR![/EDIT]
« Last Edit: November 16, 2018, 12:32:00 AM by mickster04 »

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Re: Society Kits Availability
« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2018, 12:28:58 AM »
A real pity. I've lusted after some, but never in stock in my (N) lifetime.
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Re: Society Kits Availability
« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2018, 07:02:35 AM »
Another thread that seems to of taken the route of NGS bashing like so many now unfortunately.

We have been members for 10 years now and have enjoyed reading journals, purchasing kits and have thouroghly enjoyed building them.

It would seem the last 10 years have probably been the most traumatic for the society as a whole. It's all too easy to expect everything yesterday im the tiny little world we live in today but presumably the NGS shop has been the first port of call for the kits either because that particular model isn't available RTR OR your a railway MODELLER.

It seems a lot easier to hack up a kit your building rather then a 20 pristine RTR.

Farish and Dapol get bashed for showing us the up and coming builds and then 6years on were still waiting. Presumably the NGS suffers the same issues the big boys have and how many times are the big retailers out of stock of the wagon or coach you want?

I'd love to find a piece of rolling stock that existed on our region,  find it's available RTR, jump online, find it, buy it and within 48hrs it's on my layout. This isn't the world we live in as annoying as that is at times but my layout is built at a leisurely pace and run at less then scale walking (it's taking far too long) if we're trying to model and need everything yesterday maybe were doing it wrong.

I have had an occasional bash at the NGS but like we know it's a volunteer orientated set up and delays happen.

The usual jump up, scream and shout, stamping of feet crying about it all but never prepared to step up and lend a hand to improve the situation seems to be far too common these days.

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Re: Society Kits Availability
« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2018, 07:07:33 AM »
Woah!

I hardly think the two previous posts were 'NGS bashing'. Merely commenting on the situation and understanding the reasoning.

Let's not go stirring the proverbial for no good reason.

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Re: Society Kits Availability
« Reply #50 on: November 16, 2018, 09:36:01 AM »
I see NGS are deprecating the cartic kits, a shame, a truly special kit offering I think, but I understand the reasoning....

[EDIT]I don't think I would ever get to being able to build one even if I did get my hands one some, would love RTR![/EDIT]

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A pity as its is a nice kit to build but I too understand the reasons.

Luckily I have all I need once I have finished painting the last pair.

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Re: Society Kits Availability
« Reply #51 on: November 16, 2018, 12:00:52 PM »
I think that is a real pity about the Cartic - I've got a couple of unbuilt sets which I'd have liked to add one or two more sets to eventually. 

A really useful wagon kit for lots of the last 40-50 years.

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Re: Society Kits Availability
« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2018, 02:22:50 PM »
Maybe someone is considering/developing a plastic kit version to replace it with inside the NGS?

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Re: Society Kits Availability
« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2018, 06:25:26 PM »
Well regardless of how this thread has been resurrected, it made me go and have a look on the NGS shop pages today. I'm now poorer the cost of three Midland vans, an LMS double van pack and a sheet of transfers!  :-[ :-[

I'm still patiently waiting for the volunteers (thanks again to all that have volunteered) to get around to getting the BR/LMS Trestrol back into production but great to see some more items showing in stock now.

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Re: Society Kits Availability
« Reply #54 on: November 17, 2018, 07:50:58 PM »
I think comments and queries about the availability of NGS kits should be directed to the Society.

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Re: Society Kits Availability
« Reply #55 on: November 17, 2018, 07:59:23 PM »
Based on the fact that the photo in the book shows a wagon (Trestrol) with many LMS details, could it be that they were all built by the LMS, and the LNER just put them in their number sequence?

And even if it were not so, it would only be the running number that gave away the first owner (LMS or LNER) and under a coat of weathering, in N gauge who could tell?  :D

For those of you who were not aware, most wagons were put into a 'Common User' pool by the Big 4; it didn't matter who built or owned a particular wagon, it could be used by any company to any destination. However, this would not have been so for the Trestrol (and other specialised wagons); the non-common user wagons were monitored, in the case of the LNER, by York (I think) and were returned to the LNER (or whoever owned them) ASAP when used off system. Presumably because of their unusual construction, the LNER steel sided 13T opens ('High Steel') as modelled by Farish and the Society kit, were intially only allowed to be worked on the LNER, but this had changed by Nationalisation.

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This was formalised by the Government under wartime emergency powers (before war actually broke out, I believe).  It included open wagons & closed vans but excluded "specialist" vehicles, such as tanks and wagons with tarpaulin bars.

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Re: Society Kits Availability
« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2018, 08:07:30 PM »
For me I think the 16 represents excellent value for money, especially when you consider it gives you access to these wonderful kits.  Looking at RTR stuff from GF etc the average cost of a box type wagon is around 13 but a simular NGS kit - 4.75.  OK granted you have to build and pain the thing, but that's all part of the fun for me.

I have no idea if the society make any money from the kits as i'm sure the tooling must be quite expensive, but I'm glad they continue to offer kits like the ones shown in my post above.  Being on a tight budget joining the society has allowed me to increase my rolling stock at a fraction of the cost of buying new.  Even if you factor in the 16 membership I have still saved a lot on money in the process.

It's just a shame that the society don't seem to offer standard BR MKI coach kits.... I could do with a few more of them :)
If you join one of the local area groups of the NGS, the society will give 5.00 of your subscription to the group every year, and this can go towards building & running a layout, or providing specialist tools (depending on the preferences of the local membership).

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Re: Society Kits Availability
« Reply #57 on: November 17, 2018, 08:14:36 PM »
I might but the quality of the magazines they send makes me think sometimes it not worth the 16 (I guess I will get a load of abuse for saying that)

(Hoping I'm not sounding abusive - well no more than I normally am towards Paul!!!  >:D >:D >:D )

I think one of the issues with the magazine is that the NGS caters for a very broad church of railway modelling and, therefore, the content will possibly not appeal to all modellers every issue. I don't see how this could be avoided unless there were multiple magazines which would be expensive and the editor(s) would need to be able to sure that enough content was submitted to fill them all - I know that can be an issue with the current magazine from time to time.

That said, I can find at least one article that interests me each issue (usually more than one) and, considering it is produced by volunteers, it can produce articles that I find more interesting than those in the mainstream press.

Regardless of the magazine though, now that kit production is slowly getting back on track (thank you to the volunteers who have undertaken this huge task) I feel that the access to reasonably priced kits is worth the membership price on its own (I feel the same way about the 2mm Association, who also offer kits of some interesting prototypes).

My main criticism at the moment is the tendency to lean towards RTR commissions which cost more to develop and produce than the kits and therefore fewer models of prototypes can be produced at any one time. However, offsetting that is the fact that the RTR models are more likely to sell and probably generate quicker/bigger returns for the NGS so, while they haven't yet produced an RTR model that meets my own personal modelling interests (which admittedly are slightly unusual and fairly specific), I understand the logic and business rational for going down this route and am content if this allows the NGS to survive and grow.

Steve

 I'm glad you manage to find at least one article per magazine that interests you, I think in my last years subscription I found barely 2 or 3 maybe I'm just too fussy?

My biggest annoyance to be honest is with the kits, I know the society had problems with it shop and stock that seemed to go on and on and on.

 I know the rumour mill went into overdrive about it, none of that matters to me the thing that really gets on my nerves, is the fact that on numerous occasions I have attempted to order kits only to be told they are out of stock. Then on my occasional visits to model shops I find them selling Society kits and ebay at time seemingly packed solid with them.

16 quid a year to be able to get access to member only kits, that appear to never be available direct but are easier to source from None member outlets is a bit of a issue for me.

Oh well rant over :)
What non-NGS outlets did you have in mind?

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Re: Society Kits Availability
« Reply #58 on: November 17, 2018, 08:58:52 PM »
His post says - eBay and retailers.

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Re: Society Kits Availability
« Reply #59 on: November 17, 2018, 09:03:15 PM »
His post says - eBay and retailers.
I got that; I was hoping for more detail........

 

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