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Author Topic: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)  (Read 14940 times)

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Re: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)
« Reply #615 on: November 03, 2018, 06:49:28 PM »
I guess I'm missing something! Why would people pay as much, and often more, for a GRAHAM FARISH KIT BUILT LANGLEY locomotive? The answer may be simple, but I've waited to ask it hoping to figure it out myself. I just don't get it! :)

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Re: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)
« Reply #616 on: November 03, 2018, 08:56:42 PM »
Sounds like Antique toys is at it again, avoid like the plague, he's reknowned for exorbitant prices for badly described rubbish.
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Re: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)
« Reply #617 on: November 04, 2018, 02:58:55 PM »
Maybe the philosophy is that someone bought a kit then built and painted it by hand rather than the model coming out of a mould and factory painted. The view is the higher degree of hand-crafting and time is used to justify a higher price?
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Re: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)
« Reply #618 on: November 06, 2018, 02:32:58 AM »
Maybe the philosophy is that someone bought a kit then built and painted it by hand rather than the model coming out of a mould and factory painted. The view is the higher degree of hand-crafting and time is used to justify a higher price?

Chris, I've no doubt that's the view of the seller. What buyer would be willing to pay exorbitant prices for a kit built locomotive? I've looked at a lot of them and see nothing special. I can't judge the build of the chassis and motor, however. But, maybe there is more that I just don't understand. That's why I ask.

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Re: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)
« Reply #619 on: November 06, 2018, 03:00:22 AM »


With some reluctance, I've posted a revision of my track plan! While gluing and testing track, I realized the full implication of some tight curves. I re-visited AnyRail once again and spent a few more hours working out a way to eliminate some 45 degree compact track and tight points. Only the curve in the bottom left corner of the layout remains, and I'm confident there is no fix for that one. I also decided to change the main station platforms, again. Doing so will result in a less prototypical station but a more functional one (I hope). It IS Wiltsbury and Biss River (look for those on your map!), so I can do as I like. :) I'm making deliberate progress with the landscape and one of these days the grass will start growing!

Some have suggested, politely, that I might consider a simpler plan with less track. I've decided that would be too simple and practical, so I proceed with the original inspiration. I've no doubt there will still be changes since with every iteration I think there has been an improvement. This time around I was able to reduce the number of points from 21 to 18! I'll have a lot of switches, however, for isolating track and changing polarity. But, I'm still confident I can make it work!

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Re: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)
« Reply #620 on: November 06, 2018, 04:42:15 AM »
Maybe the philosophy is that someone bought a kit then built and painted it by hand rather than the model coming out of a mould and factory painted. The view is the higher degree of hand-crafting and time is used to justify a higher price?

Chris, I've no doubt that's the view of the seller. What buyer would be willing to pay exorbitant prices for a kit built locomotive? I've looked at a lot of them and see nothing special. I can't judge the build of the chassis and motor, however. But, maybe there is more that I just don't understand. That's why I ask.

Leon, I agree completely. The philosophy I stated is, I feel, the philosophy used by the seller. However, we are rarely looking at a superbly crafted 2mm scale rendering of the prototype. Really these models are just whitemetal bodies stuck on the closest match chassis and, while good for expanding the range of possible locos, just don't equal the output of today's RTR manufacturers. However, that said, an opportunity to try to flog something at a higher price is, well, business. Maybe, we will see the seller face reality and see him selling it for 50p in time!

« Last Edit: November 06, 2018, 04:44:01 AM by chrispearce »
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Re: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)
« Reply #621 on: November 06, 2018, 04:58:56 PM »
Maybe, we will see the seller face reality and see him selling it for 50p in time!

Chris, I doubt I'll live to see the day when kit built locomotives sell for 50 pounds and if I do, I'll not be buying, even at that price. It seems to me that sellers are asking us to pay for the pleasure they derived from the building of the model!

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Re: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)
« Reply #622 on: November 06, 2018, 08:19:00 PM »
Maybe, we will see the seller face reality and see him selling it for 50p in time!

Chris, I doubt I'll live to see the day when kit built locomotives sell for 50 pounds and if I do, I'll not be buying, even at that price. It seems to me that sellers are asking us to pay for the pleasure they derived from the building of the model!

Leon

LOL!! Sorry, Leon, 50p in blighty money is 50 pence. I certainly did not mean £50.00!  :D
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Re: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)
« Reply #623 on: November 07, 2018, 12:28:53 AM »
Chris, I doubt I'll live to see the day when kit built locomotives sell for 50 pounds and if I do, I'll not be buying, even at that price. It seems to me that sellers are asking us to pay for the pleasure they derived from the building of the model!
Leon
LOL!! Sorry, Leon, 50p in blighty money is 50 pence. I certainly did not mean £50.00!  :D

Chris, I knew what you meant, but wanted to make it clear that even if the price is dropped to just 50 pounds in my lifetime, I'll not be buying one. I guess I should have said I'd not pay 50 pence, but I might want to give that kind of offer some consideration. :) I might even consider bidding up to 5 pounds!

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Re: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)
« Reply #624 on: November 07, 2018, 07:59:39 PM »
I would be grateful for comments about the static grass applicator at
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GJ05-Mini-Flocking-Static-Grass-Applicator-SCENIC-MODELLING-NEW-/352444365169?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c10#viTabs_0


I'm most impressed with the landscaping I've seen using this device, and comments I've read on the Forum from those who are using the process.

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Re: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)
« Reply #625 on: November 07, 2018, 08:10:06 PM »
Iís not the same model as mine Leon but looks very similar so Iím sure itís ok.
Mine is the  WWS model Which comes with a complete kit of the stuff youíll need.
https://www.war-world.co.uk/product.php/the_new_pro_grass_micro_static_grass_applicator_with_embankment_kit/?k=:::6702447:0
If it looks right then it most probably is right.


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Re: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)
« Reply #626 on: November 07, 2018, 08:21:52 PM »
Iís not the same model as mine Leon but looks very similar so Iím sure itís ok.
Mine is the  WWS model Which comes with a complete kit of the stuff youíll need.
https://www.war-world.co.uk/product.php/the_new_pro_grass_micro_static_grass_applicator_with_embankment_kit/?k=:::6702447:0

Martin, thanks for the link I didn't know about that site, so I've added it to my bookmarks. Other than the duplication of time and effort, is there a downside to using the "old-fashioned" grass and resowing with static grass later?

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Re: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)
« Reply #627 on: November 07, 2018, 08:28:17 PM »
Iís not the same model as mine Leon but looks very similar so Iím sure itís ok.
Mine is the  WWS model Which comes with a complete kit of the stuff youíll need.
https://www.war-world.co.uk/product.php/the_new_pro_grass_micro_static_grass_applicator_with_embankment_kit/?k=:::6702447:0

Martin, thanks for the link I didn't know about that site, so I've added it to my bookmarks. Other than the duplication of time and effort, is there a downside to using the "old-fashioned" grass and resowing with static grass later?

Leon
Not really.
Depending on how I want it to look I either simply paint the surface green then apply static grass direct or I put down a layer of green scatter (I think thatís the old fashioned stuff you mention) then apply static grass.
So....yes you can apply static grass retrospectively to the old fashioned stuff.
If it looks right then it most probably is right.


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Re: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)
« Reply #628 on: November 16, 2018, 07:49:39 PM »
I re-visited AnyRail and spent a few more hours working out a way to eliminate some 45 degree compact track and tight points. Only the curve in the bottom left corner of the layout remains, and I'm confident there is no fix for that one. I also decided to change the main station platforms, again. Doing so will result in a less prototypical station but a more functional one (I hope). I was able to reduce the number of points from 21 to 18! (I have only two excess points after relaying the track, as I added a left crossover above Biss River Station!)
Leon

A quick update to prove I've not fallen by the wayside! I did not have all the track I needed to execute the changes quoted above, so while awaiting delivery of the needed track I've been adjusting some of the hard landscape. Working out the variations in elevations has been my most difficult task, I think, and I'm still carving foam - building up (and tearing down) landscape sections to try and keep the changes in elevation as realistic as possible. I'm reasonably satisfied with everything but the tunnel - which requires some fairly steep inclines at the back (top) of the layout - behind Biss River Station and in the top left corner where the Bath line will disappear. I'm pretty much ready to tie together the tunnel sections, but while I've left openings at the back for track access I feel the need to be able to lift the entire tunnel structure until I'm confident I can safely run the trains without derailments (one double crossover and one left turnout are in the tunnel). The total length is about eight feet, but I'll probably divide it into two parts.

I've taken delivery of my Dean Goods locomotive from Union Mills and have ordered a Dukedog! Hope to run them within a couple of weeks. When I do, I'll take a photograph of them on the tracks (despite the barren state of the layout). I've asked Santa for a station building and platforms!

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Re: Westbury Junction 1938-42 (Perceived)
« Reply #629 on: November 17, 2018, 05:36:45 AM »
Good idea to make that tunnel removable, especially if you have points etc. buried in there. Maybe try to make the removable parts a bit smaller for ease of handling - if they are too big they could be a cumbersome and risk damage. I would divide the lift-off bits in to 3 rather than 2 and make the piece which sits over the scissors and adjacent point a nice convenient lift out piece in its own right. Points etc need more attention than plain track. I think this will make routine maintenance more of a pleasant and hassle-free task.

Good to hear of your progress. Look forward to seeing your pics.  :thumbsup:
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