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Fixing old stickers
« on: June 11, 2018, 09:47:53 AM »
Hi,

I've just completed building a sport scale flying rocket model of Spaceship One. It's an Estes kit that dates back to shortly after SS1's X-Prize flight, so about 12-13 years old. It's been in storage in reasonable conditions in my stash ever since.

The model came with a copious numbers of stickers to apply the markings, which are numerous. Many of them are not adhering reliably. They are stickers, not waterslide decals. I suspect it's a combination of age and the highly curved nature of some of SS1's surfaces.

The stickers look like standard "toy" stickers, self-adhesive, printed on a clear plastic substrate and have been on their backing paper until now. I have no idea what the plastic is, or what the original self adhesive is. The model itself is painted with Humbrol acrylics.
 
Does anyone have any idea of what I could use to attach the stickers without making a horrible mess? There's no way most of them are going to survive a flight - they'll just be peeled off in the wind... :(
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Re: Fixing old stickers
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2018, 09:59:46 AM »
Would double-sided tape not do the job?

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Re: Fixing old stickers
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2018, 10:05:50 AM »
It's not clear, is it? A lot of the stickers are depicting panel lines and collections of logos, so the clear background is important.
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Re: Fixing old stickers
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2018, 10:52:32 AM »
Stick them on then coat with clear varnish ?

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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2018, 11:04:28 AM »
I think that "3M SprayMount" adhesive would work well here.

https://www.officestationery.co.uk/product/3m-spraymount-200ml-adhesive-spray-can-cfc-free-non-staining-sm200-043037/
(other sources are available) ;)

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Re: Fixing old stickers
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2018, 11:18:41 AM »
Stick them on then coat with clear varnish ?
That was my original intention (and indeed Estes' recommendation) because stickers on rockets do tend to peel off in the slipstream. I don't have the numbers to hand but IIRC speeds of several hundred feet a second are quite normal even for small rockets just before motor burnout.

But some of these stickers are peeling back so much that I think they might start lifting away before the varnish dries.  :worried:
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Re: Fixing old stickers
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2018, 11:19:40 AM »
I think that "3M SprayMount" adhesive would work well here.

https://www.officestationery.co.uk/product/3m-spraymount-200ml-adhesive-spray-can-cfc-free-non-staining-sm200-043037/
(other sources are available) ;)

That's a thought. I think I have some. I could give it a try on some of the waste backing material. Thanks.
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Re: Fixing old stickers
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2018, 01:23:07 PM »
It's not clear, is it? A lot of the stickers are depicting panel lines and collections of logos, so the clear background is important.

I only suggested it as the stuff I've used in the past was clear.
If you Google 'clear double sided tape' there are loads

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Re: Fixing old stickers
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2018, 02:06:25 PM »
It's not clear, is it? A lot of the stickers are depicting panel lines and collections of logos, so the clear background is important.

I only suggested it as the stuff I've used in the past was clear.
If you Google 'clear double sided tape' there are loads
Ah right - the stuff I've used previously was translucent, rather than clear. That would certainly be better than spray adhesive for the stickers that are already partly attached. I'm reluctant to forcibly remove anything to recoat it, as that will inevitably end up with me holding small bits of stickers!

It's awkward. It needs the stickers to capture the distinctive "look and feel" of SS1, but at the end of the day it's only a sports scale model destined to be shot 400 feet into the air. Walking away with it fit for a second launch is not always guaranteed...
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Re: Fixing old stickers
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2018, 08:55:48 AM »
I dug out my tapes last night and realised why I thought double-sided tape was translucent - I was muddling it up with Scotch Magic Tape. Doh! It's an age thing... :-[

I do have some clear double-sided, but I think a fresh stock would be better. Trying to fix old stickers by using old tape seems like a really stupid idea. Off to the shops...
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Re: Fixing old stickers
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2018, 04:29:47 PM »
You could copy them and print them on to decal paper, so they’re water slide transfers.  Don’t forget to spray the sealant on th decal paper.....

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Re: Fixing old stickers
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2018, 04:36:50 PM »
Well, life intervened, and I've only just come back to this.

I tried @Newportnobby's double-sided tape idea and it works, but with two problems. It's horribly fiddly, and there are a lot of stickers, so I think we'll have developed interstellar teleportation before I finish  :D, and (obviously) it's raising the stickers up very slightly which may well make them more likely to peel off in the slipstream.

I haven't tried 3M spray yet - I can't find my can - but I am also thinking about using decal paper. I've never used it. Does anyone have any recommendations over which brand(s) to use and which spray? Or horror stories of which to avoid?

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Re: Fixing old stickers
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2018, 04:53:16 PM »
You could copy them and print them on to decal paper, so they’re water slide transfers.  Don’t forget to spray the sealant on th decal paper.....

Pete @EGLM

Another option might be to copy the originals on to self adhesive white vinyl. If you don't have access to a good colour laser copier, PM me and I can help if that's the way you decide to go.
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Re: Fixing old stickers
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2018, 08:34:14 PM »

I tried @Newportnobby's double-sided tape idea and it works, but with two problems. It's horribly fiddly, and there are a lot of stickers


Ah well. I'm no rocket scientist so it was just a thought. Hope you find a suitable solution.

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Re: Fixing old stickers
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2018, 12:05:59 AM »
Very thin smear of silicone sealant?

Either that that or give up and shoot the thing up into the air anyway.

Looking forward to the video!  :thumbsup:
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