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Author Topic: Ted TMD - Era 8/9 Diesel Depot - 8ft Wide DCC  (Read 2917 times)

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Offline Bill Badger

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Re: Ted TMD - Era 8/9 Diesel Depot - 8ft Wide DCC
« Reply #105 on: September 26, 2018, 10:56:52 AM »
Blimey - looks like you've been have a bad run with things, but good to hear about the 'engineering solution'. There are so many variables and this small scale even tiny, easily overlooked discrepancies seem to have a massive effect on running.

If you do need reassurance though, browse youtube for films of BR depots and yards in 70s / 80s; some of the bouncing & jerking locos and wonky track to be seen will make you feel much better...

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Re: Ted TMD - Era 8/9 Diesel Depot - 8ft Wide DCC
« Reply #106 on: September 26, 2018, 11:24:00 AM »
Blimey - looks like you've been have a bad run with things, but good to hear about the 'engineering solution'. There are so many variables and this small scale even tiny, easily overlooked discrepancies seem to have a massive effect on running.

If you do need reassurance though, browse youtube for films of BR depots and yards in 70s / 80s; some of the bouncing & jerking locos and wonky track to be seen will make you feel much better...

Yeah, for ultra smooth running tolerances seem to be <0.5mm - which requires planning and precision. I can see why so many people have problems.

I want ultra reliable and smooth slow speed running, which means I've had to be super steady laying and even then managed to :censored: it up! Thankfully, I've rebuilt that section from scratch with even more care and now running is smoother as butter.  :thumbsup:
Ted's Excellent Adventure - lots of imagery of my 'workbench', locos and what I'm modelling.

Ted TMD Layout Progress - Era 8/9 Diesel Depot - 8ft Wide DCC

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Re: Ted TMD - Era 8/9 Diesel Depot - 8ft Wide DCC
« Reply #107 on: November 10, 2018, 11:15:39 AM »
How's the build going Ted, seems to have gone quiet on here  :wave:

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Re: Ted TMD - Era 8/9 Diesel Depot - 8ft Wide DCC
« Reply #108 on: November 12, 2018, 09:02:25 AM »
How's the build going Ted, seems to have gone quiet on here  :wave:

Ah yes, all that enthusiasm and progress and the nothing.

I've had a few derailments, firstly we decided to decorate all the spare bedrooms. That meant moving my setup to one side for now.

I had planned for the setup to be relatively portable to move it around, but clearly that isn't the case as it feels rather precarious to move... and that's without scenery! That has made me double think the layout.

I feel like the layout is too compromised; I tried to make it a bit bigger to fit a loop but that meant it's an awkward size and still a bit of a squeeze.

Now I could move it as I've around 750 sqft of usable loft space, which would make for a massive N layout. However, I had planned on moving us within the next 2 years and so making a dedicated loft build out of the question.

That leaves me wondering what to do. I could just carry on, or I could reduce the board by half a do a mini yard scene. Either way it's a compromise and I'm somewhat begrudged to throw hundreds of hours at something that I'll replace? :doh:
Ted's Excellent Adventure - lots of imagery of my 'workbench', locos and what I'm modelling.

Ted TMD Layout Progress - Era 8/9 Diesel Depot - 8ft Wide DCC

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Re: Ted TMD - Era 8/9 Diesel Depot - 8ft Wide DCC
« Reply #109 on: November 12, 2018, 09:39:54 AM »
Can you not proceed with what you have with one eye toward reusing bits of it in a new environment in future?

That's what I did. Started a layout with no concessions to portability, and now we're looking to move house. I still do stuff on the layout, but I've stopped short of anything that I couldn't actively re-use, ie I've not done scenery, because that would be effort, materials and money invested that I couldn't re-use. Track could be lifted and relaid in a new situation, and likewise stuff I do with electrics is all useful learning even if I end up stripping some of it out.

I've also learned quite a bit and would make some changes even if I started again with the same space, but obviously would like far more space!

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Re: Ted TMD - Era 8/9 Diesel Depot - 8ft Wide DCC
« Reply #110 on: November 12, 2018, 10:53:57 AM »
Can you not proceed with what you have with one eye toward reusing bits of it in a new environment in future?

That's what I did. Started a layout with no concessions to portability, and now we're looking to move house. I still do stuff on the layout, but I've stopped short of anything that I couldn't actively re-use, ie I've not done scenery, because that would be effort, materials and money invested that I couldn't re-use. Track could be lifted and relaid in a new situation, and likewise stuff I do with electrics is all useful learning even if I end up stripping some of it out.

I've also learned quite a bit and would make some changes even if I started again with the same space, but obviously would like far more space!

Yeah that's a good point and I think that's where my head is, a track and points only layout with a few yard pieces to learn. Might ballast it to learn too.
Ted's Excellent Adventure - lots of imagery of my 'workbench', locos and what I'm modelling.

Ted TMD Layout Progress - Era 8/9 Diesel Depot - 8ft Wide DCC

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Re: Ted TMD - Era 8/9 Diesel Depot - 8ft Wide DCC
« Reply #111 on: November 20, 2018, 11:27:27 PM »
Sorry to hear about your difficulties. If its any consolation I suspect many of us have been there and done it too. I started off 'back in the hobby' about 5 years ago and am only now make any sort of headway with a layout. Started off buying some random OO RTR and kits because that's what I had when I was young. Nebulous ideas came and went and the space issue became apparent. Started a 'short' LMS based test yard / plank thing which is still half done and may one day be taken further. Then saw modern N gauge RTR locos in a shop and was staggered how good they had become. Sold most of the OO stuff I bought (and rather crazily, ended up making money!). Queue a change of gauge, followed by expansive ideas of a big 4 or 5 m long model of Hellifield (which is still in an advanced state of design and on the books for a 'lifteme layout' in several years... maybe...). Reality check brought me to my current project - my small 80s fragment of a TMD - which is small enough to be manageable, fun and relaxing for someone who works full time and has a 6 year old son! Wish I'd seen the light earlier. Sorry to ramble on, but there's no shame in going small and focused - better chance of doing something to completion and making it really good.

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Re: Ted TMD - Era 8/9 Diesel Depot - 8ft Wide DCC
« Reply #112 on: November 23, 2018, 10:57:27 AM »
Well I've decided to drop the layout by 50%, going down to 4ft x 2ft.

This means it really is small and can be moved/stowed away with ease. It won't be the final layout, it will be a test and practice 'rig' before the ultimate future new house, massive loft layout. Why compromise now when I know what I really want in the future.

This also means I'm ripping up and starting over, so I'll probably leave it until the new year now.

I've also had to cut my hands off because I keep going to buy new locos, nearly bought a pair of 20's and sound... I don't have a bloody layout!!  :-[ :-[

It'll still be a TMD, but I now need to revise the plan - Bill I think you've nailed it for the space so I might borrow a few ideas.

Ted's Excellent Adventure - lots of imagery of my 'workbench', locos and what I'm modelling.

Ted TMD Layout Progress - Era 8/9 Diesel Depot - 8ft Wide DCC

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Re: Ted TMD - Era 8/9 Diesel Depot - 8ft Wide DCC
« Reply #113 on: November 23, 2018, 11:01:51 AM »
Hi

You could just still plan for the bigger layout but just build a part of it, then when everything is sorted build the other half and join it to the already built section, that way what you have just built won't be wasted.

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Re: Ted TMD - Era 8/9 Diesel Depot - 8ft Wide DCC
« Reply #114 on: November 23, 2018, 12:33:17 PM »
You could just still plan for the bigger layout but just build a part of it, then when everything is sorted build the other half and join it to the already built section, that way what you have just built won't be wasted.

Good advice. Several options for this - either as a true 'fragment' of a larger planned layout, or by setting in a specific region of time period, a linked but distant snapshot, if you follow me - in other words design your scenic breaks etc. such that the depot could be linked by hidden lines (which could represent a few hundreds yards or many miles) to whatever layout you build in the future. There is no rule book!

Something I quickly came to realise is not to feel limited to just one 'off-scene' solution. You can plan to operate as either end to end, with cassette or traverser fiddle yards, or with simple, removable extra boards added to a make a circuit. The 'expanded' setup can allow a running session as and when shared domestic space allows. If I win the lottery I would buy an Nelevator which will answer most of the issues I have.

 

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