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Author Topic: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)  (Read 15389 times)

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Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
« Reply #255 on: February 10, 2020, 05:32:46 AM »
And I have a confession to make.  :sorrysign:

66135 was the very first loco I bought when getting back into N Gauge around 15 years ago.
I trashed the motor trying to get it to haul 22 Farish HTA's up a 3% gradient on a curve, and the body has been sitting in my spares box since then.
So renumbering 66111 consisted of, removing the body, adding the decoder, and then putting the 66135 body on instead. :D

Regards,

John P

I did the same thing, but bought a new motor from Bob at BRLines  to get it back up and running, works better now than it did before.

cheers
Graham

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Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
« Reply #256 on: February 12, 2020, 09:22:00 AM »
Just found this thread and taken three days to read it all. Well done John. Jealous doesn't fit the bill fully.
I live ten minutes walk away from Wigan NW, across the road from Wigan Pier and been there for over 40 years.
Thank you for the descriptions and videos.
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Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
« Reply #257 on: February 19, 2020, 03:59:51 AM »
As it was a 3 day weekend here, I decided to bite the bullet and redo my storage yard.

Originally I designed it with a gap between the tracks to allow space for my fingers to deal with derailed stock, but as I didn't concentrate I ended up with tracks spaced just far enough for my fingers not to fit!

I ran out of space a while ago, 4 Pendolinos take up a lot of room, so I decided to redo the yard with no additional space. This will give me longer storage sidings and allow me to add more in future.

Here's a few pics of the general demolition.

A very deep breath was taken before I started this  :D



And everything stored neatly away!



I bought a sheet of 8 x 4 XPS to redo the 16 x 2 baseboard surface.

This is the first new piece in place.



The lifting section was modified to make it easier to align.



The first points were laid and the first couple of sheets of the plan laid on the baseboard to make sure that everything was centered.





As everything is spaced closer I don't even have enough points to get to the end of the first sheet, but it does allow me to add up to 10 more sidings in the future.

Hopefully this week I'll be able to make some significant progress on points and point motors.

On another note, I had been getting a flashing red LED on my Z21 if I left it switched on overnight. It was as if there had been a short, but I couldn't figure out the issue. Now that I've added the booster the Z21 has been on for the best part of a week with no flashing red LED. My working hypothesis is that, as the Z21 was almost at max capacity, the flashing led was caused by the Z21 detecting an over power condition.  This could be complete tosh, but as the problem has gone away I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Regards,

John P

Check out my layout thread.

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https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39501.msg476247#msg476247

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Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
« Reply #258 on: February 19, 2020, 05:20:23 AM »
That is one big fiddle yard.  :thumbsup:
Vision over visibility. Bono, U2.

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Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
« Reply #259 on: February 19, 2020, 08:23:46 AM »
Wouldn’t you be better to separate the entrance roads so you can have two parallel ‘trees’, rather than just a ladder, which takes up tonnes of space and gives some really short roads at the top.

Edit: like this glorious diagram which I’ve just squiggled on my phone



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Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
« Reply #260 on: February 19, 2020, 08:41:20 AM »
I guess it would take some serious slowing down though.

Pendolinos may suffer!  ;)
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Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
« Reply #261 on: February 19, 2020, 09:19:11 AM »
Why? You still have a single straight through road, just it's the central one rather than offset to one side.

The only downside is that your absolute longest siding is slightly shorter, but it's far more space efficient. If halves the length of the pointwork at each end of the fiddle yard.


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Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
« Reply #262 on: February 19, 2020, 09:25:52 AM »

That was brave John!

Cheers

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Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
« Reply #263 on: February 19, 2020, 02:45:02 PM »
Wouldn’t you be better to separate the entrance roads so you can have two parallel ‘trees’, rather than just a ladder, which takes up tonnes of space and gives some really short roads at the top.

Edit: like this glorious diagram which I’ve just squiggled on my phone




Hmm I had looked at different geometries, like trapeziums, but hadn't thought of this one.

It does give me thought to consider a hybrid design. I've already started relaying track, but I don't have enough points to do the whole yard, and there are cross battens under the base board to deal with. Very conveniently these cross battens are just past where I shall run out of points.

I think I can turn necessity into a virtue and after the eighth point on each side running a track over the batten to the rough mid point of the remaining storage and then fanning out from either side as shown in your plan. This would mean that the last few sidings were longer on average.

Time to do a redraw on Scarm and see how it looks.

Regards,

John P
Check out my layout thread.

Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39501.msg476247#msg476247

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Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
« Reply #264 on: February 19, 2020, 04:15:24 PM »
To my mind the big saving is avoiding all that lost real estate in the corner of the board. Definitely worth plotting IMO.

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Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
« Reply #265 on: February 19, 2020, 08:34:36 PM »
No brainer to me!

You lose the length of one point at each end of your longest siding, but the overall formation gives you vastly more siding space, with no really short roads. No additional points needed either - you just have a split of LH and RH on each half, as opposed to all one or the other.



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Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
« Reply #266 on: February 20, 2020, 04:16:09 PM »
Hi,

So I had a play around in Scarm and came across an issue with @njee20 's fiddle yard scheme.

While I agree that it does seem to provide a better use of space, I am constrained by the rest of the existing layout and as such it doesn't result in it being any more efficient.

Let me explain.

At one end of the yard there is a two track through line on a lifting section,



at the other end there is also a two track through line which hugs the edge of the boards.



This was the only pic I can find which was at the initial build, the line to the fiddle yard is the right most pair of tracks.

So, in order to spread out the through lines to allow sidings on either side, I would end up creating almost as much redundant space as in my current plan.

Because of this I've decided to stick with my original fan of sidings.

Regards,

John P
Check out my layout thread.

Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39501.msg476247#msg476247

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Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
« Reply #267 on: February 22, 2020, 01:51:23 AM »
Well it's been a quiet week at work, so progress has been brisk on the new storage yards.

The right hand side has had all its points laid and some track done as well. All the wiring is in place but I'm leaving connecting things up to the end. This is because the storage yards are going to be in a separate 'power district' to help isolate faults and also to prevent the runaways I get occasionally when a short occurs on the main layout.

Here's a couple of pics.





At the left hand side the tracks leading up to the yard have been re-aligned because they were not central to the yard base boards. This involved widening the gradient so that the tracks could be slewed over.



And a start has been made on the points.



Hopefully I'll get this all finished over the next few days.

Once this is complete I'll have room for 4 more storage sidings on each side of the yard if needed, and the 14 sidings I started with will all be longer.

Regards,

John P
Check out my layout thread.

Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39501.msg476247#msg476247

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Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
« Reply #268 on: February 25, 2020, 01:16:36 AM »
Well I have managed to get all the points installed and wired up on the left hand side of the storage yards over the weekend.

Now its just a case of connecting all the sidings together and then wiring up the right hand sets of points and testing it all out.

I also received my Revolution KFA's and decided to pose them on the partially finished storage yard.





Regards,

John P
Check out my layout thread.

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https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39501.msg476247#msg476247

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Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
« Reply #269 on: February 27, 2020, 07:44:01 PM »
All the track laying on the new storage yard is done. I've got about 1/3rd of it wired up so far.

Next it's finish the wiring and then test each road with a Pendolino. These have very little clearance, like the Dapol Megafrets, and therefore are ideal for making sure that track pins, wires, and point actuator rods won't be getting in the way.





I'll be ordering some more track and points from Hattons, so that the yard can be expanded, 16 Small Radius points and a box of Flexitrack!

I'll worry about point motors and stuff later, it'll also spread the cost.

Regards,

John P
Check out my layout thread.

Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39501.msg476247#msg476247

 

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