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Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2017, 11:01:58 AM »
I can't go up to the train room too late as the dogs go bonkers and wake my wife up.

I've put a dog bed in the layout room to encourage settling down and it's worked quite well.  Dunno if something similar might work for you?

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Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2017, 11:42:17 AM »
Thanks Steve but no.

Apart from the fact that I don't really want dog hair in there, there are 4 of them.

Sophie would be fine, William hates me for some reason (think it's because I smoke) so wouldn't come in, Guinness would then bark and bark at me and William outside and Saskia would try to eat everything.

I love them all but the train room is completely out of bounds.

Cheers and woofs weave  :beers:
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Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2017, 03:45:29 PM »
I hope you're not going to include the smell from the refinery too at Tutera. :no:
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Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2017, 10:26:23 PM »
Hi Mito,

What are you saying. Looked it up and all the tourism sites say how beautiful the refinery looks when lit up at night. They must be from Port Talbot and used to the smell. (Sorry anyone from Port Talbot  :worried:).

Seriously, it's more about having a largish station by a beach, that doesn't look wrong, for ideas. It's the only one I could find that wasn't a harbour station except for Penzance (have ideas from there too). If anyone knows of others I'd be very grateful for any input.

Cheers weave  :beers:
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Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2017, 09:29:16 PM »
http://juanalmarzapozuelo.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/el-ferrocarril-cartagena-y-su-estacion.html

http://historiastren.blogspot.com.es/2013/12/el-ferrocarril-de-alicante-murcia.html

http://www.barriodebenalua.es/2007/09/la-estacin-de-benala-ii-la-terminal-y.html

Chris, I don't know if these links are any good. The best I think is the last.
There used to be two stations in Alicante, one serving Madrid ( Ferrocaril MZA) and the second seving Murcia and Cartagena, now totally disappeared. It left Alicante, single track, following the coast line for about 5km. The photos may give you some ideas. I can't yet find anymore info or track plans but will search if you want. The text is in Spanish, I don't know if you understand the lingo but I'll translate if there's anything you don't understand.
Cheers,
Brian

PS. the lights on the refinery are so beautiful that they completely take the smell away. :D
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Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2017, 09:38:05 PM »
very interesting!

what spanish diesels do you have?

how about dual standard/iberian gauge track somewhere!


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Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2017, 07:51:37 AM »
http://juanalmarzapozuelo.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/el-ferrocarril-cartagena-y-su-estacion.html

http://historiastren.blogspot.com.es/2013/12/el-ferrocarril-de-alicante-murcia.html

http://www.barriodebenalua.es/2007/09/la-estacin-de-benala-ii-la-terminal-y.html

Chris, I don't know if these links are any good. The best I think is the last.
There used to be two stations in Alicante, one serving Madrid ( Ferrocaril MZA) and the second seving Murcia and Cartagena, now totally disappeared. It left Alicante, single track, following the coast line for about 5km. The photos may give you some ideas. I can't yet find anymore info or track plans but will search if you want. The text is in Spanish, I don't know if you understand the lingo but I'll translate if there's anything you don't understand.
Cheers,
Brian

PS. the lights on the refinery are so beautiful that they completely take the smell away. :D


Hi Brian,

Thanks for those. They will be very useful for the '60s running days on the layout. I know practically nothing about steam in the UK let alone Spain, I just liked the idea of dabbling in steam, so any info is good.

Regarding the lingo, I have an A Level in Spanish (only a grade D though) but then lived for a about 4 months in a small town outside Madrid where only 2 people spoke English so it improved dramatically. Unfortunately a lot is forgotten although I think it's in the brain somewhere so will read through at a leisurely rate, dictionary in hand.

Cheers weave.

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Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2017, 08:42:35 AM »
very interesting!

what spanish diesels do you have?

how about dual standard/iberian gauge track somewhere!


tim

Hi Tim,

I've only got 4 Spanish diesels at the moment.

For the '80s/'90s Arnold RENFE 321 in 'taxi' livery (although it's playing up a bit, not sure why)
                         Arnold RENFE 354 'Virgen de Aranzazu' in blue/white (recent purchase from my lovely wife for my
                         birthday but can't open it until tomorrow)

For the '60s        Arnold RENFE 316 in 'silver/green' livery (very nice). (EDIT RENFE 1800/318). Might not be a
                         prototypical formation but have some nice era III coaches for it (Butacas and CIWL). Hopefully
                         pics at the Weekend.

For both             Roco RENFE 307 (their version of the SNCF 63000). Old thing off ebay but seems to run OK.

Regarding the dual track, I have thought about it. The main station of Tutera hasn't really been planned yet but if you look on the overall view pic there is a local line, which is just SNCF at the moment, coming round from the top right. This might have to become a dual line as crossing it over to the main SNCF line might take up too much space and be complicated with the Kato track set up.

I've also thought about a Talgo gauge changer which could help out the real chaos at Port Bou caused by it during the Summer months but the space would need careful planning.

Also thought about Izaro having it's own liveried railway.

All things for me to think about.

Cheers for the interest,

weave :beers:.


                 
                         
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Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2017, 04:35:04 PM »
oh ok nice.

I like 321s - I wouldn't mind one in ho. the Arnold one looks good in n too. I also like 333s with the squarish cabs.

you don't see many spanish layouts so will be following your progress!

I'll email kato for you to suggest they make dual gauge track! there must be some demand in Japan as well surely for standard and 3 foot six, and maybe they could make something to at least represent standard and Iberian or russian gauge, even if it's just pretend...


Tim


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Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2017, 09:47:06 PM »
Hi all,

Still looking for stations near beaches but just thought I'd show a pic of a real Renfe 321 loco, not so much for the loco but for the sky. Feels like I haven't seen it for ages  :(....

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8217/29267730605_6a52f4e88b_b.jpg

Makes me feel warmer sitting here in a jumper.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS. That's the great thing about RENFE, they cater for people getting older and forgetting loco classes! It's the one on the left  :D
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Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2017, 08:03:14 PM »
cheers will look at those links

I like the look of some of their american diesels, 321 were alco I think, but I've seen pics of others that were baldwin or gm... unfortunately in the really old pictures they didn't put massive class numbers on the locos so not sure what they are, plus numbering system was different anyway...

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Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2017, 09:31:36 PM »
I don't know a great deal about Spanish railways, but a lot of the diesels are American and the early steam locos were British built. Alot of the original track was laid by British companies so why they chose 6 Castillian feet as the gauge rather then standard gauge is strange.
Sorry Weave, I'll shut up now and sorry for hi-jacking your thread.
Cheers, Brian
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Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2017, 09:43:18 PM »
Hi all,

Bit more reference......

http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/spain/spain_renfe_del.html

Tim, forgot, I have a Startrain 308 diesel in grey and red. Poor thing was literally forgotten (don't know how you can forget you have a locomotive) but it was in a box with some spares/repairs coaches. Nothing wrong with it, practically brand new.

 I normally blame red wine on my memory loss but age is starting to creep in. Oh, and cider. Anyway another loco  :claphappy:

Cheers weave  :beers:

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Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2017, 09:50:06 PM »
I don't know a great deal about Spanish railways, but a lot of the diesels are American and the early steam locos were British built. Alot of the original track was laid by British companies so why they chose 6 Castillian feet as the gauge rather then standard gauge is strange.
Sorry Weave, I'll shut up now and sorry for hi-jacking your thread.
Cheers, Brian

Hi Brian,

No worries. Hijack away. Think the 'Continental' folk are more interested in Swiss and German anyway.

Mas vino para nuestros (or is it por nuestros). EDIT Nosotros not nuestros. Need to go back to school  :doh:

Gracias y salud,

weave  :beers:
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