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Author Topic: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points  (Read 8081 times)

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2017, 06:42:24 AM »
I think Mike Fifer did a video about modifying Kato points to improve running.

I tried it with my no4 test point. It reduced derailments slightly but not much. In the end I used no6 points and virtually solved the problem and didnt need a short straight between the curve and point.

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2017, 07:30:16 AM »
I had used no. 4 turnouts on a small layout and have had a few! problems. I am using Anyrail to design a larger layout for my new hobby room. I am avoiding no. 4 turnouts. But as Mick has physical constraints I think he is right to test on a small scale before committing what will be a significant sum of money.

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2017, 10:23:41 AM »
I've used several #4 points on Sunnisyde. The relatively few (Compared to past issues with Peco and Fleischmann points) issues have been solved by careful measurement of the back to back measurements on some locos, and fitting check rails in front of the moving blades of some points to ensure a 'clean' entrance to the point.

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2017, 12:59:32 PM »
I still think he's joking us. :beers:
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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2017, 01:17:48 PM »
I've used several #4 points on Sunnisyde. The relatively few (Compared to past issues with Peco and Fleischmann points) issues have been solved by careful measurement of the back to back measurements on some locos, and fitting check rails in front of the moving blades of some points to ensure a 'clean' entrance to the point.


Or add a small straight segment as previously suggested - I'm sure the layout would allow a 1" track section?
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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2017, 02:47:03 PM »
I've used several #4 points on Sunnisyde. The relatively few (Compared to past issues with Peco and Fleischmann points) issues have been solved by careful measurement of the back to back measurements on some locos, and fitting check rails in front of the moving blades of some points to ensure a 'clean' entrance to the point.


Or add a small straight segment as previously suggested - I'm sure the layout would allow a 1" track section?

Listen carefully. I shall say this only once (more). ;)
Peco small points form my entire branch line layout and fiddle yards for both main lines and branch line. Peco small points are 123mm in length. Kato #4 points are 124mm in length.
The layout plans will only allow a 1" track section in certain areas (the smallest piece of Kato track is 29mm) but that only exists in about 10% of the track plans. Kato #6 points are 40mm longer than the #4 points so are out of the question. Kato already have against them the fact they don't produce curved points and a double slip which, in itself, will cause major track plan alterations I don't like.

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2017, 03:27:06 PM »
With a big enough hammer, any point can become curved. 😇
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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2017, 06:16:20 PM »
Sorry to hear your experiments with Kato are running into points issues Mick. It's a shame cos as you have found the integral motors and simpler overall install is a big plus.

But, no matter how good it is, if it's doesn't suit your needs then it's about as good to you as a chocolate teapot.  And compromising your design to suit the Kato track is understandably not an option.

So, will you continue with the experiment, or have you already reached a conclusion? :hmmm:
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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2017, 09:22:12 AM »
If you are thinking of replacing all your existing track with Kato track, then maybe a new layout plan would make it easier, designed with the constraints of Kato track. This would probably work out better than trying to shoehorn Kato track into a plan designed with Peco track. 

Just a thought.

That would be a necessity anyway, as I currently have 4 x Peco large curved points and a double slip on the layout. The baseboards are also cut to size, so any new layout would have to fit the existing boards.


So, will you continue with the experiment, or have you already reached a conclusion? :hmmm:

The whole (and only point) of this testing oval with points is to try all my motive power through #4 points, Mike. This will take quite a while as it takes about an hour to do each one.

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2017, 09:24:18 AM »
Half an hour? Blue Pullman would take 5 minutes  :D
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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2017, 09:29:22 AM »
Half an hour? Blue Pullman would take 5 minutes  :D

Stupid boy, Pike.
Each loco has to be run through the points at different speeds and in both directions. Then it is picked up, turned 180 degrees and then tested again as before. The BP would probably take even longer.

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2017, 09:40:32 AM »
So, half an hour each, and about 90 to go last time you mentioned quantities  :hmmm:..........


I'll contact you again at the end of the week then! :D
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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2017, 09:45:36 AM »
So, half an hour each, and about 90 to go last time you mentioned quantities  :hmmm:..........


I'll contact you again at the end of the week then! :D
Aren't you forgetting something(s)
Tea break after each loco test
record results
Pint of IPA every 4th loco
Slice of Pizza every 4th loco
Loo break shortly after pint of IPA
two days spent look for lost rerailer
10 days spent fixing locos that don't work at all after storage
3 days recovering from sore throat after shouting at locos that won't behave.
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Looks like at least September before all locos tested
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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2017, 09:51:44 AM »
Drat - I've been rumbled :doh:

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Re: Nobby's Kato test track deliberately using #4 points
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2017, 09:54:55 AM »
Half an hour? Blue Pullman would take 5 minutes  :D

Stupid boy, Pike.
Each loco has to be run through the points at different speeds and in both directions. Then it is picked up, turned 180 degrees and then tested again as before. The BP would probably take even longer.

Not at the speeds I drive it  ;D
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