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Re: Milliedale-on-Sea - Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
« Reply #135 on: September 25, 2018, 12:31:15 PM »
Bit more research,



If anyone has any memories, or better yet, photos of guest houses / B&Bs in the late 40's / early 50's regarding how they looked and signs on them any information is greatly appreciated.

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Re: Milliedale-on-Sea - Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
« Reply #136 on: September 25, 2018, 01:00:16 PM »
Bit more research,



If anyone has any memories, or better yet, photos of guest houses / B&Bs in the late 40's / early 50's regarding how they looked and signs on them any information is greatly appreciated.
Simply google 1950s blackpool b&bs (or whichever town you like)  brings  up loads of images
If it looks right then it most probably is right.


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Re: Milliedale-on-Sea - Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
« Reply #137 on: September 25, 2018, 03:13:04 PM »
I get a lot of pictures of traditional B&B's but as they currently are.

I'm trying to establish the nature of the signage if it was just a small sign over the door or an estate agent type sign etc

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Re: Milliedale-on-Sea - Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
« Reply #138 on: September 28, 2018, 02:15:13 PM »
A bit of news from the Old Cobblers;

We've found a few map fragments which are going to be restored, possibly to use as the control panel for the layout.




The actual geography is more of  a mirror image of a J shape, the marshalling yard curving away in-land but for the layout (and in the picture of the map fragments) we've got that curved round behind the church etc and got the two tunnels going into the same hillside.

Quite a bit of work to be done, but one of the chaps at the old cobblers was a cartographer in the army before working for the OS so some good contacts there, just slow progress.

Any wobbly roads will be due to the Black Sheep Brewery having re-stocked the landlord's cellar.

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Re: Milliedale-on-Sea - Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
« Reply #139 on: October 09, 2018, 10:04:51 AM »
Work has been slightly abated on the map and also on the model of the B&B, it has also stalled entirely on the layout.

I need to solder DG couplings and assemble a small test train to ensure hands-free shunting is a possibility for the layout, otherwise I'll have to run fixed rakes and / or space the marshalling yard out slightly to allow hand from the sky uncoupling.

I'm wondering about giving the gaugemaster uncoupling arms a go as that's less changing things on the rolling stock, but I've often been told the springs in modern couplings are too stiff. I fell out with Dapol's couplings when they first came out as I find I can have uncoupling, or coupling and rarely delayed action.

I seem to keep coming back to this crossroads and it's getting me nowhere.

I've ordered some EM2 arms to go with the EM1 magnet I got to trial DG couplings, we'll see how these work - ideally I'd love to ditch the rapido completely, but I also want to get on and build the layout, both DG and EM2 will work with the same magnets so I can move over to DG couplings at a later date if I wish.
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Re: Milliedale-on-Sea - Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
« Reply #140 on: October 09, 2018, 10:13:46 AM »
Haven't seen this for while...

Looks great! Prorotype plan looks challenging!
Vision over visibility. Bono, U2.

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Re: Milliedale-on-Sea - Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
« Reply #141 on: October 11, 2018, 09:20:25 PM »
One thing I've noticed from looking at 1950s / early 1960s photos. of shops was that, on sunny days, they had extended canvas awnings (to protect the shop window displays). I can remember, as a child, seeing them being extended using a polished wooden pole with a brass hook on the end that attached to a brass eye on the awning. I presume one man in a brown coat with a pole at each corner?

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Re: Milliedale-on-Sea - Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
« Reply #142 on: October 12, 2018, 12:55:12 AM »
One thing I've noticed from looking at 1950s / early 1960s photos. of shops was that, on sunny days, they had extended canvas awnings (to protect the shop window displays). I can remember, as a child, seeing them being extended using a polished wooden pole with a brass hook on the end that attached to a brass eye on the awning. I presume one man in a brown coat with a pole at each corner?

My current, quaint, town still has a few shops with them, as you say, pulled out and retracted by someone with a pole and hook, usually centrally on the canopy. Others use a handle on a bevel gear to push a rod up and down that moves the canopy via some fine victorian looking engineering (thankfully too small to model) and so canopies will feature on the layout in due time.

My EM2 coupling adaptors have arrived but time has not permitted me to experiment, I intend to fit one to each type of coupling I have,

Farish NEM
Dapol NEM
Farish sprung
Dapol sprung
Peco
Farish wiggle

I need to be sure that they will uncouple fairly reliably, possibly with a slight fettle to the coupling (I've been told that Dapol NEM have a bit of plastic on them that makes them stiff, a slight file should resolve)

This allows reliable working of and fitting off DG couplings to be deferred until later in the layout's life should delayed shunting be desirable etc.

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Re: Milliedale-on-Sea - Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
« Reply #143 on: October 26, 2018, 01:31:11 PM »
The EM2 arms work beautifully on Peco couplings (as expected) and work adequately on the old Farish plastic S bend type.

But they are useless on anything with a spring (even cutting the spring shorter does not resolve the issue adequately) and NEM couplings are a no-go.

Back to trying DG couplings making the loop and dropper out of one run of magnetic wire is the next stage.

Going back to Dapol couplings might be the back-drop option, but I've never been able to shunt single wagons with them (not had much success previously with them at all)

The entire design of the layout is slightly reliant on hands free remote uncoupling...


Things are on a slight hold due to 2018's third (and hopefully final) bit of family related bad news so not sure how much progress will be made in the near future.

In the meantime, here's a lovely shot taken from a passing DC3 of our distant neighbour:



It's not that dissimilar to Milliedale on Sea how the railway snakes through the town, except we're both terminus and through station along with being closer to the sea-front

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Re: Milliedale-on-Sea - Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
« Reply #144 on: October 26, 2018, 01:41:41 PM »
Thanks for the update. Very sorry to read about the further family-related bad news; they do say such things come in threes . . .

I hope you're able to sort out a satisfactory coupling solution which enables you to run your layout as you would like. You're not the only one on the NGF who has been working to find a solution. I wish you success.

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Re: Milliedale-on-Sea - Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
« Reply #145 on: October 26, 2018, 03:55:28 PM »
Just to point out that it is possible to modify Rapidos with springs to pivot. Easy on bogie stock, slightly less easy with four-wheeled wagons but either way easier than fitting DGs.  If you use permanent magnets rather than Peco electromagnets it makes a very reliable system, documented in my “Lofthole” thread. 

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Re: Milliedale-on-Sea - Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
« Reply #146 on: November 14, 2018, 01:16:29 PM »
Work continues slowly, with the occasional gem turned up by the historical society...



Photos sent by Dodgy Bob of the historical society, old metal sign found in the bottom of a locked cupboard, in the downstairs loo in the cellar of 'Tarn Hall' (originally a large house named "Tarn Hall" by it's owner, the name continued in use when the building became the Town Hall)

We think it's the old town crest / coat of arms, most of the paint has flaked / worn off, bit more digging and some restoring to be done when time allows :D

In other news, I seem to be capable of creating steel DG loops which appear to work, have ordered some more wire to continue experimenting.
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Re: Milliedale-on-Sea - Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
« Reply #147 on: November 14, 2018, 01:20:16 PM »
Sorry, but what exactly is that meant to be an image of please? :confused2:

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Re: Milliedale-on-Sea - Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
« Reply #148 on: November 14, 2018, 01:29:04 PM »
Sorry, but what exactly is that meant to be an image of please? :confused2:

I've updated the original post with the info.
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Re: Milliedale-on-Sea - Oh I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
« Reply #149 on: November 14, 2018, 04:10:13 PM »
Doesn’t seem to be much of the original left!
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