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Author Topic: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper  (Read 13510 times)

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2016, 10:11:31 PM »
Hi Gang,

Looks like another winning choice....most people will take up multiple purchases to create a decent length train....
Now I wonder which liveries to choose....and how many???

Good luck with the expressions of interest.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2016, 11:07:52 AM »
Now, I'm waiting for the map and example rake, too, but wanted to see prototype rakes _now_. Flickr revealed very colourfull rakes consisting of orange RMC JGAs (Farish or NGS), [debranded] Cemex and EWS construction.

60035 6M17 2007: https://flic.kr/p/p2gqpU
60059 Australia Farm, March 21/07/08: https://flic.kr/p/9rPd8N
66198 Uffington 13/11/13: https://flic.kr/p/hvyS6a
60044 Tupton 6H10 Bletchley to Peak Forest 23.05.2014: https://flic.kr/p/ntPx5a
66126 North Staffs Jn, Washwood Heath RMC - Peak Forest 2012: https://flic.kr/p/cmGaPJ
66162 Whatley Quarry to Hothfield Sidings 6Z20 2014: https://flic.kr/p/pb1eFJ
59203 Whatley to Hothfield 6Z20 via Beckenham Junction 2014: https://flic.kr/p/oomvAP

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2016, 11:42:27 AM »
The only wagons I haven't seen yet in the Thames Valley area are the new Tarmac ones, all the others run regularly (i.e. All the time) on services from Merehead, Whatley and Westbury to Acton, Hayes, St Pancras, Dagenham Dock, Crawley. There's also a service from Acton to Theale, and one to Brentford Day Aggregates too I think.

They run mixed with other hopper types and also with open bogie boxes too, as shown in my video here.

https://youtu.be/LenXJe46uHs

I'll upload more to my YouTube site as soon as I get chance.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2016, 12:57:42 PM »
Now, I'm waiting for the map and example rake, too, but wanted to see prototype rakes _now_. Flickr revealed very colourfull rakes consisting of orange RMC JGAs (Farish or NGS), [debranded] Cemex and EWS construction. ...

Colourful indeed. I think I'm going to end up with a much larger and varied order than I originally envisaged. Beginning to see how very varied HOA inclusive consists can be.
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Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2016, 05:16:37 PM »
Now, I'm waiting for the map and example rake, too, but wanted to see prototype rakes _now_. Flickr revealed very colourfull rakes consisting of orange RMC JGAs (Farish or NGS), [debranded] Cemex and EWS construction.

60035 6M17 2007: https://flic.kr/p/p2gqpU
60059 Australia Farm, March 21/07/08: https://flic.kr/p/9rPd8N
66198 Uffington 13/11/13: https://flic.kr/p/hvyS6a
60044 Tupton 6H10 Bletchley to Peak Forest 23.05.2014: https://flic.kr/p/ntPx5a
66126 North Staffs Jn, Washwood Heath RMC - Peak Forest 2012: https://flic.kr/p/cmGaPJ
66162 Whatley Quarry to Hothfield Sidings 6Z20 2014: https://flic.kr/p/pb1eFJ
59203 Whatley to Hothfield 6Z20 via Beckenham Junction 2014: https://flic.kr/p/oomvAP

Well that means I have had to express interest in some Cemex ones and will be looking out for a couple of RMC JGAs.  :doh: :confused1: :worried: ::)

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
« Reply #50 on: December 03, 2016, 05:29:48 PM »
I've got 14 RMC ones I've never even removed from their boxes  :-[

May have to get some of the NGS ones for a bit more variety!
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Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2016, 10:58:11 PM »

Hello all,

I have added a route map and some sample consists to our website on the news pages at www.revolutiontrains.com/news

The map doesn't claim to be exhaustive (as the new VTG and Tarmac wagons seem to be introduced almost weekly onto new flows) but should show the main traffic, quarries and terminals served over the last decade.

The sample consists PDF also illustrates how these models complement existing hoppers by Farish and the NGS - it is one of the reasons we selected them.

Here is an excerpt:



Response to this model so far has been very encouraging, but of course the sooner we reach our minimum order level the sooner we can start proper work!

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2016, 12:45:51 AM »
Thanks Ben.
It looks like the 6B35 Hayes/Moreton-on-Lugg is a longstanding route and I found pics with 66 and EWS/Cemex wagons going back to at least 2009 (my chosen modern timeframe is 2006-9) and it runs through Reading.
Looks like that will be the working for me.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
« Reply #53 on: December 04, 2016, 09:12:11 AM »
Interesting they're obviously repurposing the HTAs for stone use, judging by that bottom flow.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
« Reply #54 on: December 04, 2016, 09:36:41 AM »
Interesting they're obviously repurposing the HTAs for stone use, judging by that bottom flow.

Yes, since the huge downturn in coal traffic, and corresponding upturn in demands from the aggregate sectors, DB has been looking for alternate uses for the HTA hoppers.

The problem is, as aggregate hoppers the HTAs are great coal wagons!!  Coal is relatively light, so you can fill a big wagon and still not overload it.  Stone is a lot heavier, so you hit the maximum axle loading well before the wagon is full.

This is why, generally, aggregate hoppers with the same GLW are considerably shorter.

And using HTAs means two things:  First, operators need to be careful not to overload them and secondly the trains are significantly longer.  I don't think this is an issue for passing loop lengths on the mainline, which are usually designed for much longer intermodal trains (I suspect that even a 60 might struggle to pull a stone train that long) but can be an issue for the sidings and unloading equipment at some terminals.

I'd be very interested in any better knowledge from forum members who work in the industry though!

Incidentally, I have already spotted an error on the map - I have not shown the Cemex Peak Forest-Ely route via the MML and Peterborough.  I will amend this ASAP!

Cheers

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
« Reply #55 on: December 04, 2016, 09:42:34 AM »
Interesting they're obviously repurposing the HTAs for stone use, judging by that bottom flow.

The "Peak Forest Cemex Sdgs to Leeds Stourton Rmc" service used to consist of CEMEX and EWS HOA wagons, with some RMC JGAs. Now it consists of entirely EWS HTAs and has done for a couple of years. Nevertheless on my layout I am going to run it as the former.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
« Reply #56 on: December 04, 2016, 12:32:27 PM »
Hi folks,

I've uploaded a couple more videos here...

https://youtu.be/1XizsEl54SE

https://youtu.be/IFf7CzfhThg

Hope these are useful.

There's also a service that runs from Avonmouth to West Drayton ARC too that uses HOAs amongst other hoppers too.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
« Reply #57 on: December 04, 2016, 01:06:10 PM »
It was the weight difference between the materials that intrigued me. That said, I know they've started reusing ex-National Power JMAs on stone trains, some now branded as HKAs in DBS red IIRC.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
« Reply #58 on: December 04, 2016, 02:40:57 PM »
[PSA] Dove Holes is Peak Forrest on the revolution map



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Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
« Reply #59 on: December 04, 2016, 03:25:21 PM »

Hello all,

Tim - thanks for the videos.  Very interesting.  I could not find any photographic evidence of the new HOAs on the Avonmouth flow but as you have observed them I have added it to the map.

Macrat - I have changed the name to Peak Forest, thanks for spotting that.  Dove Holes is the name of the quarry there but the railhead location is known as Peak Forest, and it makes sense to call it that to ensure clarity.

Cheers

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