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Re: 'Gauging' Interest- New fiNetrax code 40 N Gauge Track System?
« Reply #1545 on: May 31, 2020, 10:55:21 AM »
Got it! That's very neat.

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Re: 'Gauging' Interest- New fiNetrax code 40 N Gauge Track System?
« Reply #1546 on: May 31, 2020, 11:16:39 AM »
Sorry for the really bad pictures, I was using a macro lens so the depth of field is very shallow.






It looks a little rough as I've had to squeeze it on because the slot on these are slightly undersized, needs opening by 0.03mm (I know!).

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Re: 'Gauging' Interest- New fiNetrax code 40 N Gauge Track System?
« Reply #1547 on: May 31, 2020, 11:32:11 AM »
You can even join bullhead to flat bottom rail perfectly fine:



And just to get an appreciation for how small these are...LOL!
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Re: 'Gauging' Interest- New fiNetrax code 40 N Gauge Track System?
« Reply #1548 on: May 31, 2020, 12:27:38 PM »
Good stuff. How about insulating joiners too?

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Re: 'Gauging' Interest- New fiNetrax code 40 N Gauge Track System?
« Reply #1549 on: May 31, 2020, 12:36:21 PM »
Yeah, I've been thinking about these as well, I would probably have to mill them myself probably from either dark brown or clear 0.5mm plastic sheet.
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Re: 'Gauging' Interest- New fiNetrax code 40 N Gauge Track System?
« Reply #1550 on: May 31, 2020, 01:09:35 PM »
Goodness me, those are teeny! From my own perspective, insulating joiners would be more useful as I need a lot of isolation for my computer control; but I have laid a fair bit so far without any joiners at all, although where the glue does not work as well as it might on the track, I sometimes get misalignments.
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Re: 'Gauging' Interest- New fiNetrax code 40 N Gauge Track System?
« Reply #1551 on: May 31, 2020, 01:40:12 PM »
Hi James,

Same here, I'm also using current detection on my layout.

Off topic, but what hardware are you using for current detection, BDL168's?

I just took delivery of a bunch of kits from Arcomora including DCC accessory decoder and loconet current detection board. They are sold as kits that you have to solder and build yourself, but are a great price!
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Re: 'Gauging' Interest- New fiNetrax code 40 N Gauge Track System?
« Reply #1552 on: May 31, 2020, 03:09:04 PM »
Hi James,

Same here, I'm also using current detection on my layout.

Off topic, but what hardware are you using for current detection, BDL168's?

I just took delivery of a bunch of kits from Arcomora including DCC accessory decoder and loconet current detection board. They are sold as kits that you have to solder and build yourself, but are a great price!

I use Digikeijs equipment, a mix of DR5088RC units for where I need RailCom (mainly in the fiddle yard roads where I plan to stable locomotives so that I can easily remove and re-add these; these have direction sensing, which allows me to put the locomotives on the track without worrying about the direction in which they are facing), and DR4088LN or CS elsewhere.

I did look into self-assembly options using Hans Deloof equipment, and I have some of these on my layout, too, but this turned out to be more expensive than the Digikeijs and the RailCom versions did not support direction sensing.
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Re: 'Gauging' Interest- New fiNetrax code 40 N Gauge Track System?
« Reply #1553 on: May 31, 2020, 03:54:39 PM »
Is there a need for insulated joiners? Surely that removes one of the main benefits of Finetrax ie better looking track.

Insulation gaps can be either just gaps or you can fill with a small piece of plasticard or glue then file to shape.

If alignment is an issue then I’d look at something more robust than small joiners eg pins and solder the rail at certain points / use the 2mm SA brass sleepers cut in half etc or copper clad. That should give you better mechanical strength.

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Re: 'Gauging' Interest- New fiNetrax code 40 N Gauge Track System?
« Reply #1554 on: May 31, 2020, 04:25:43 PM »
Hi all,

I'm with Mike on this - why the need for insulated joiners?

I only rely on the joiners use for mechanical purposes, not electrical.

As Mike has suggested, I also use the 2FF brass sleepers for electrical connections ie track feeds plus alignment.

I wire each section of track down to the bus wires on DCC or to section switches on DC.

Insulated joints are simply cuts through the rail and the gap filled with epoxy.

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Re: 'Gauging' Interest- New fiNetrax code 40 N Gauge Track System?
« Reply #1555 on: May 31, 2020, 07:55:02 PM »
Is there a need for insulated joiners? Surely that removes one of the main benefits of Finetrax ie better looking track.

I'm with Mike on this - why the need for insulated joiners?

Perhaps where you would wish to physically align the rails but also electrically isolate them?

I believe James above has already demonstrated a situation where they could be useful, and where he had issues without them.
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Re: 'Gauging' Interest- New fiNetrax code 40 N Gauge Track System?
« Reply #1556 on: May 31, 2020, 10:49:38 PM »
Conceptually I agree with Mike, they shouldn’t be necessary, and lots of finescale modellers have done without for decades. That doesn’t mean they’re not useful though... :hmmm:

Judicious use of PCB sleepers to ensure alignment makes a lot of sense. 

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Re: 'Gauging' Interest- New fiNetrax code 40 N Gauge Track System?
« Reply #1557 on: June 01, 2020, 12:26:36 PM »
Thanks all and Wayne for the pictures. I think they look amazing, how about getting the nut heads included?


Just kidding :-)

I was wondering about isolation gaps. With Peco 55 you don't worry, you just slit a gap and the rail stays put but with this stuff, I am concerned it will move or get tweaked by accident. I had been thinking of using pcb sleepers but will watch developments with interest.

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Re: 'Gauging' Interest- New fiNetrax code 40 N Gauge Track System?
« Reply #1558 on: June 02, 2020, 07:22:45 PM »
 :greatpicturessign:
Wow tiny is not the word, I would have a need for  one set on a little Scottish affair that would develop except boards 150 miles away !
I bet you can lazer 4 bolt heads !  I would try Archer bolt head/ rivert transfers for a giggle but not sure how much sanity would take...  Also useful to simulate jointed track I guess.
A brilliant bit of work. My scheme would not need insulated but can see a use for others - it makes code 40 more accessable in this new world we currently "enjoy."
Thanks Wayne for all your efforts
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Re: 'Gauging' Interest- New fiNetrax code 40 N Gauge Track System?
« Reply #1559 on: June 03, 2020, 02:05:20 PM »
Cheers Guys!

Well, I bought a 0.2mm end mill, and have managed to mill little joiners on my CNC machine from FR4 board (PCB board, same material I use on the tie bars) which I believe is the best material to use for insulated joiners.

They are obviously not as strong as the stainless steel ones, but do work in keeping the ends of the rails aligned.

So I hope to have both versions available soon, conductive ones from stainless steel, and insulating ones from PCB board.
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