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Re: Revolution Trains PFA/KFA container wagons
« Reply #75 on: March 29, 2016, 05:44:12 PM »
I know mate, that what I mean I am not sure if they use different Containers that round Manchester although doubt, I think it may just be a case of less waste than normal with it been the bank holiday and load requirements meaning what they had was placed over the rear axle to aid with braking effort.

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Re: Revolution Trains PFA/KFA container wagons
« Reply #76 on: March 29, 2016, 07:02:48 PM »
One for note on the MOD usage there was heavy usage of the PFA /KFA between Marchwood Military Port / Cardiff and I believe hull and MOD Ashchurch with the draw down of operations in Afghanistan.

While inside most was general military equipment, some trains were carrying Jackal MWMIK vehicles inside the MOD side loading containers, these were ran with other vehicle carrying formations such as the warwells / flats to Ashchurch for warm storage and deep cleansing on their return from operations.

I have some pic somewhere from a train arriving at Ashchurch with these ISOs on in late 2014 and will get them up when I can find them

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Re: Revolution Trains PFA/KFA container wagons
« Reply #77 on: March 29, 2016, 07:16:59 PM »
Hi Gang,

I would have liked to plump for some GPS bogies versions....but my 5 just ordered are destined for MoD work...( containers already ordered) so some Tiphook with Y25s are the best option for me.
As I have invested heavily in Dapol and Farish spines/Megafrets/twins, then my container train will occasionally be supplemented/infiltrated by the odd KFA...or if funds allow, then another batch might get procured in the near future.

For now...I'm declaring a 'purchase free April' to reinstate some sanity to the bank account after the KFA and 320 ordering....

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Re: Revolution Trains PFA/KFA container wagons
« Reply #78 on: March 29, 2016, 08:11:31 PM »
Can I ask what a bin liner container is please? People have referred to it earlier on in this thread. I did Google but guess what came up... bin liners!
« Last Edit: March 29, 2016, 08:23:34 PM by RichardBattersby »
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Re: Revolution Trains PFA/KFA container wagons
« Reply #79 on: March 29, 2016, 08:33:02 PM »
Can I ask what a bin liner container is please? People have referred to it earlier on in this thread. I did Google but guess what came up... bin liners!


It's a train carrying waste, refuse, etc. Usually carried in containers on the flat bed skeleton wagon, e.g. the PFA/KFA.

http://petertandy.co.uk/Buck&OX/66551_6v40_div_quantnrd_490.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2ySXprhA4F0/maxresdefault.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8700/16579480048_9f6523b2be_b.jpg
« Last Edit: March 29, 2016, 08:46:04 PM by ScottyStitch »

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Re: Revolution Trains PFA/KFA container wagons
« Reply #80 on: March 29, 2016, 08:41:10 PM »
Thank you very much! I had no idea such a thing existed!
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Re: Revolution Trains PFA/KFA container wagons
« Reply #81 on: March 29, 2016, 08:48:36 PM »
Can I ask what a bin liner container is please? People have referred to it earlier on in this thread. I did Google but guess what came up... bin liners!


It's a train carrying waste, refuse, etc. Usually carried in open containers on the flat bed skeleton wagon, e.g. the PFA/KFA.

http://petertandy.co.uk/Buck&OX/66551_6v40_div_quantnrd_490.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2ySXprhA4F0/maxresdefault.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8700/16579480048_9f6523b2be_b.jpg


I think that many of the containers are fully enclosed. I remember being at Northolt loading point in the early days of the flow to the disposal point at Calvert.  A bed mattress was part of the waste compressed into the container, and ejected a lot of the less pleasant waste load just as the second end door was being closed. They soon started segregating mattresses to avoid loads self-discharging during loading!
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Re: Revolution Trains PFA/KFA container wagons
« Reply #82 on: March 29, 2016, 08:50:01 PM »
Can I ask what a bin liner container is please? People have referred to it earlier on in this thread. I did Google but guess what came up... bin liners!


It's a train carrying waste, refuse, etc. Usually carried in open containers on the flat bed skeleton wagon, e.g. the PFA/KFA.

http://petertandy.co.uk/Buck&OX/66551_6v40_div_quantnrd_490.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2ySXprhA4F0/maxresdefault.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8700/16579480048_9f6523b2be_b.jpg


I think that many of the containers are fully enclosed. I remember being at Northolt loading point in the early days of the flow to the disposal point at Calvert.  A bed mattress was part of the waste compressed into the container, and ejected a lot of the less pleasant waste load just as the second end door was being closed. They soon started segregating mattresses to avoid loads self-discharging during loading!


Yes an error now corrected. It's what happens when you are trying to write course material and look at NGF at the same time.

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Re: Revolution Trains PFA/KFA container wagons
« Reply #83 on: March 30, 2016, 09:13:36 AM »
Hi Nigel,

Yes, we are doing the Tiphook (Finnish built) versions as they are the most numerous, and from my research have seen the most varied use.

I think it also depends on your definition of Rule 1.  Using a Farish freight liner flat - wrong TOPS code, no buffers, wrong (fictional) bogies, is what I would consider Rule 1.

Using a flat with the same TOPS code, shape and bogies, albeit from a different batch, is considerably less of a compromise in my view!

The differences that I have spotted between the Standard Wagon and the Rautaruukki built versions are the buffer shape, handbrakewheel type, presence of ferry hooks, shape of deck strengthening fillets and positioning of some elements of air brake equipment

I think fitting new buffers, changing the brake wheel, removing the ferry hooks and moving the TOPS panel, while fairly simple, would create a wagon that satisfies 99% of viewers.

Of course, if you're in the 1% who can't accept those compromises then fair enough!

Ben,

Apologies for any offence caused, that was not my intention.

Having a rtr KFA is better than no KFA at all so I'm going to say thank you for your efforts so far and I look forward to receiving some in due course.

Nigel

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Re: Revolution Trains PFA/KFA container wagons
« Reply #84 on: March 30, 2016, 09:46:44 AM »
I just know I've got to get a rake of these, it's just the list now, it's all happening at once, Pendo, TEAs, 320/321, KFAs, and I still have to pay the balance on the APT-E in OO...

There's too much month left at the end of the money...

I'm not complaining, honest, I'm delighted to be part of this venture, and that we are getting quality products that mainstream manufacturers don't want to touch.

Well done again Mike and Ben on another project so well received

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Re: Revolution Trains PFA/KFA container wagons
« Reply #85 on: March 30, 2016, 12:17:07 PM »
Hi,

On the subject of BinLiners, I've designed a few different variants that I'm aware of which are available on Shapeways, but because of the volume required for the print, these end up being quite expensive. I'm looking at different options to make these cheaper, but this won't happen overnight ;-)

Edinburgh Version - https://www.shapeways.com/product/V6FYL6PB9/20-waste-container-edinburgh-white-n-gauge-1-148?li=shop-results&optionId=59485969

Bristol Version - https://www.shapeways.com/product/BDQHQ2AWF/20-waste-container-bristol-n-gauge-1-148?li=shop-results&optionId=59485913

Manchester Version (pre 80s) - https://www.shapeways.com/product/GVADZ5LC3/20-waste-container-manchester-80s-n-gauge-1-148?li=shop-results&optionId=59485910

Manchester Version (current) - https://www.shapeways.com/product/BDQHQ2AWF/20-waste-container-bristol-n-gauge-1-148?li=shop-results&optionId=59485913

The video posted by CaleyDave was interesting, I haven't seen any pictures or video of this partially loaded. Also towards the end of the rake there's a twin spine wagon thrown in there as well, which is something the Viridor Manchester flow has quite often, but I think that uses an FEA-B.

Cheers, Mark.

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Re: Revolution Trains PFA/KFA container wagons
« Reply #86 on: March 30, 2016, 08:24:43 PM »
Hi,

On the subject of BinLiners, I've designed a few different variants that I'm aware of which are available on Shapeways, but because of the volume required for the print, these end up being quite expensive. I'm looking at different options to make these cheaper, but this won't happen overnight ;-)

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Cheers, Mark.

One thing that was suggested to me was put more in one 'model' on shapeways. If you have three in the one model the price doesn't increase dramatically as half the cost is the per model charge,not the material. If you out spurs between them too you might save (or lose) a bit too...?

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Re: Revolution Trains PFA/KFA container wagons
« Reply #87 on: March 30, 2016, 09:31:44 PM »
good choice of wagon i think

i read elsewhere that you can put dapol containers on the new wagons and the lugs are spaced to accept them.

do the dapol containers match in terms of dimensions / looks with the farish ones?  just thinking about whether a mixed up rake will look ok.

a few sample rakes would be good, like you get in rail express sometimes (if people have seen that).  examples of real life trains where just a few PFA/KFA wagons have been used in speedlink, mod or with other container flats would be good - as not many people will be able to afford to buy a full rake of PFA/KFAs.

anyway best of luck to revolution trains in their ventures


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Re: Revolution Trains PFA/KFA container wagons
« Reply #88 on: March 30, 2016, 11:29:51 PM »

Hello all,

Nigel - no problem.  You're right, the Tiphook ones do have some differences so nothing wrong with pointing them out.

Tim - as we go forward I will try to get some sample rake images together as we did with the TEAs; the difficulty is there are just so many flows, and such a variety of container wagons in use, that this may take some time!

Mark - thanks for the information on binliners.  You've identified that one of the difficulties in offering a RTR solution for the binliner containers is that each flow seems to have unique ones.  I really think a 3D print like yours is going to be the most effective way forward for these.

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Re: Revolution Trains PFA/KFA container wagons
« Reply #89 on: April 01, 2016, 08:33:44 PM »
Having read this thread and the Revolution Trains Website I am still not clear on what to go for to represent post 2000 intermodal trains.

Could anyone clarify which liveries would be best for EWS/DBS or GBRf container trains? 

Presumably Freightliner livery for Freightliner trains!

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