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Author Topic: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.  (Read 60599 times)

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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #180 on: October 14, 2016, 07:30:14 AM »
Hi Webbo

You need to seal in the decal image to the paper.  Otherwise, as soon as you dip the decal in water, the ink will run.  Take it from someone who tried this.

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« Reply #181 on: October 14, 2016, 10:42:13 AM »
Thanks Andy

I thought I would ask before wasting a decal sheet in an experiment.

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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #182 on: October 18, 2016, 02:22:12 PM »
Hi, everyone.

I was so busy last weekend. When I finally had a time, the hobby store was closed. So I couldn't buy a clear gloss paint. But when I looked at my hobby drawer, I saw a bottle called "$1 Mod podge-gloss, clear".
Well.. I tried it as clear gloss paint for the decal application.
Result?.. I got better looking decal application.
Not perfect but a lot better.
I made a fundamental mistake of ripping the decal so lettering is badly crooking (my decals are very old one that I bought at train show. I used Micro scale's liquid decal but somewhat hard to "peel" from backing paper......that's my excuse anyway!)

Please excuse me for blurry picture and crooking lettering.

But I'm definitely getting better at it.
The decal film was visible in first, then when I applied dull coat it despaired.... for now.

How do you think?

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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #183 on: October 18, 2016, 02:42:41 PM »
Hi Dats

That's about as good as it gets! Just add some weathering ..

You might find the decals more manageable and have less film showing if you cut out each word separately, but getting them lined up again would be an extra challenge...

Anyway, I think you're now able to rebrand anything you want!

Mike



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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #184 on: October 18, 2016, 08:58:18 PM »
You've definitely got the film round the decal to disappear Dats, well done.

You could probably give yourself some encouragement by putting your next decal onto a flat sided car, or maybe a decal sign on a wall.  You've chosen a ribbed car, which is probably one of the most difficult cars to put a decal on!

Keep at it Mate!

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« Reply #185 on: October 22, 2016, 11:58:55 AM »
Hi, guys!

OK, this is the conclusion of my decals adventure.(you guys must be tired of this topic!!)
I ripped the decal again but now I can apply it without noticeable film. The gloss clear paint and dull coat did the trick!  Amazing!!
I'm really pleased with the result.
Thank you all for your advice and encouragement!
Now I can enjoy putting the decals!

Now I have a question about the backdrop.
I can't find any commercial photo backdrop that I like. The only option is making my own.
If you have any experience with panoramic photo backdrop, please tell me how you did it.
I'm trying to use Gimp software but my learning process is extremely slow!
Any advice?
Thank you guys!!

Dats


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I want something like this using "continuous photos" but don't know how.(and little less graffiti would be nice.)
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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #186 on: October 22, 2016, 05:44:42 PM »
The decals are looking good Dats, nice one!  How's that MHRR box car doing?  Have they finished loading it yet?

I'm afraid I can't help with your backdrop.  I think I'd just find some photos off the internet of buildings and so on, and just print them out.  Then cut round the images you like, and glue them to your backdrop; just like when you were young and made a collage!

I paint my backdrops with watercolours, and they are mainly rural, as you've probably noticed from my videos.  Talking of which, I need to get on with that hillside, and get another video ready.  See you later!

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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #187 on: November 02, 2016, 02:04:29 PM »
Hello, everyone!

Andy thank you for your reply.
A M&HRR boxcar is busy running on my layout!

Due to insufficient budget,  progress on my layout is completely halted at the moment.
But I thought that maybe I can do some backdrop experiments since I don't need to newly purchase anything.

I don't have a skill to paint the backdrop, my drawing of a dog is extremely similar to my drawing of a cat.
Using the photos are only option to get a decent backdrop for me.
I'm still struggling to use the Gimp software.(I'm not spending enough time to learn it....I think.)
So, I decided that I'll use "Low tech" approach to the project for now.
1. Use photo backdrop.
2. Use my home printer to print the pictures.
3. Use only normal paper size to print the pictures.
4. Use appropriate street pictures from Google maps or Google earth for free.



Naturally, problems would be
1. How to disguise the seams.
2. How to blend in the printed sky colour to my backdrop sky colour.

I tried to cut sky off from the pictures but I didn't get good effect from it.
For those seams, I can put trees or palm trees in LA scene, utility poles, billboards or some vertical objects. ( I don't know what kind of buildings or objects I can use for my Los Angeles scene yet.)

I've seen a lot of beautiful and natural looking photo backdrops on UK modeller's layout.
If you're using some sort of pictures on your backdrop, please share with me how you did it.

Dats
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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #188 on: November 02, 2016, 10:23:21 PM »
Dats, your backdrops look great!  As well as hiding the seams with telegraph poles etc, why not use "flats" or low relief buildings?  That is partially 3D buildings.  Some could even be rail served!

Take a look here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CEvSmkH46U

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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #189 on: November 03, 2016, 04:56:47 PM »
Hi Dats

How about using a run of plain ("lining") wall-paper, painted greyish white, as the sky, and stick your cut-out photos of distant features such as buildings/hills onto that background ?

Lots of ideas over on the Landscape/Scenery Board - http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?board=11.0 - search for "back scene".

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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #190 on: November 05, 2016, 11:43:13 PM »
Hello again, everyone,

Hi, Andy,
Thank you for the info.
I didn't know the company.
They have a quite nice kit models. I personally like building card stock building.
I have a "scalescenes" paper building.(was freebie, yay!)

Hi, Mike,
Thank you for the link and ideas.
I haven't read all back scene threads yet but they have a quite good useful ideas that I can apply!!
I painted my backboard with light blue at top and withe at bottom while ago. I knew it'll be a problem when I use photo back scene later but I painted it anyway.

My "Low Tech" back scene continue.



(Low tech isn't that bad, right?..until you see a picture below.)

I put together six printed photos. Now it covers entire yard back board. Surprisingly, the seams don't bother me much. Oversized lamp posts are more eye sore.
Overall I liked the effect of photo back scene. It resembles Los Angeles industrial back road I remember.
One big problem remaining, however.

(OMG!! Ouch! What happened to the sky!! Everybody says "the sky's the limit" but mine is "the sky had the limit"!!)

I can cut out the sky but my previous attempts wasn't successful. This is the one "High Tech(?)" Gimp software comes handy I think.
But I'll stick with low tech this time.

Should I cut out the sky again?
Or try to match the colour by painting the back board?
Any suggestions would greatly appreciate!

Dats
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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #191 on: November 06, 2016, 12:56:21 AM »
Dats

First, I think your printed back drop scene looks REALLY good. A couple of further thoughts from me.

a) I think how far you want to go with your back scene depends on what viewing angles and distances you are after. Low viewing angle and close in viewpoint would require a lower back scene maybe even one that is no higher than the printed section you have.

b) I've been to LA a few times and the sky strikes me as being similar to the photo of your 2 November post i.e. dusty, a bit browny-yellow and light coloured close to the horizon and gradually becoming darker blue higher in the sky (but still a fairly lightish blue). The sky here in Oz in summer looks similar due to dust in the countryside air and smog in the big cities.

c) So, your third photo shows a situation that has things backwards. Painted backdrop should be darker OR you might want to adjust the colours in your photo backdrop section so the upper edge is closer to light blue. OR a combination of the two adjustments.

I'm looking forward with great interest to your efforts as one day I'm going to confront this backdrop situation as well.

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« Reply #192 on: November 07, 2016, 12:34:32 AM »
Hi, guys,

This is my latest progress(?) of the low tech back scene project.
After I read Webbo's ideas (thank you, Webbo.), I decided that matching up the printed photos and the back board colour would be the way to go...I think.
I painted some colours on a paper to compare the photo sky. 
To my surprise, the printed sky has purple tint on it. Almost lavender colour- ish blue.
I never thought printed clear sky has purple in it. (yes, you're right!  I don't have any clue about colour composition nor artistic eyes!)
Anyway, I repainted the back board with the lavender-ish blue.

I think it got a little bit better. I definitely have to blend in a little bit more somehow.
A problem will be how to disguise the difference of  individual printed photo sky colour.
Well, I'm getting there. I don't know where but getting there!

By the way, I totally agree with Webbo about LA's sky colour.
LA is (in)famous about the smog!!
My goal is including the smog to my back scene.
Again, when Webbo speaks, listen carefully.
The solution is there!

Dats

P.S. Maybe I should learn how to use Gimp software.
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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #193 on: November 07, 2016, 12:53:08 AM »
Again, when Webbo speaks, listen carefully.
The solution is there!


I'm melting off my chair and onto the ground. I'd say BEWARE!

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Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
« Reply #194 on: November 07, 2016, 01:57:57 PM »

I think it got a little bit better. I definitely have to blend in a little bit more somehow.
A problem will be how to disguise the difference of  individual printed photo sky colour.
:
P.S. Maybe I should learn how to use Gimp software.


I think hardware's the answer - run your Xacto knife along the horizons of the printed sheets and throw away the printed sky (and monster street lamps!). Maybe print a single sheet again to try this radical surgery on?

Mike
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