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Author Topic: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.  (Read 54519 times)

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Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
« Reply #885 on: August 14, 2019, 09:34:00 AM »
Dats

Your cars are going to look really good knowing your painting skills. Having to paint insides doubles the work though. Putting home made glazing in the windows will be a challenge on cars this small, but if anyone can do it you can.

I need to get some cars from your guy as well. The trouble is that the postage to Australia is going to cost as much as the cars. My layout, like yours, is set around 1980, but I have stuff running around on it the wasn't introduced till 2010!!! What, me worry? - as Alfred E. Neuman would say.

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Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
« Reply #886 on: August 16, 2019, 10:12:51 PM »
 :dunce: Hello?

Hi Weave 👋
I'm sorry that I didn't reply quickly.
Thank you very much for visiting a Low-Tech layout.
I don't get out of American N section so much but I'm very interested on your modelling. Please post a link to your thread here when you have a chance.
Thank you for your comment.

Hi Mike 👋
Did you set your layout back up already?
Please let me know how you're going these days.

Hi Rich. 👍
Thank you very much for your autograph.
I'll print it out and put on the wall where my layout is located.

Hi Andy. 👍
Yes, probably I'll put those vehicles on somewhere not obvious to hide imperfection paint job.

Hi Webbo 👋
How are you doing?
I'm struggling with my paint work skills.
Did you spray paint your vehicles?

Hi Jeff 👋
I like the style of cars too.
Hopefully it'll help suggesting my era of modelling.

Ok, I painted 1975 Buick....without windows.  :o



I don't own an airbrush nor colour appropriate rattle can spray so everything is done by brush paint and cheap paints.
As usual, it came out as "Too thick" paint phenomena.  :'(
I need to touch up when I have more energy and time.

Now onto my question:

About modelling those window glazing.
I saw some YouTube videos that demonstrating Microscale Kristal Klear(?) product.
It looked easy enough but I'm still don't get how it form a thin layer of the milky stuff.
I also asked about glazing to the seller that I bought from.
He said an artist's acrylic gloss medium is better because it drys quicker.
I never use either of materials and I don't even know what artist's acrylic gloss medium is.
I'm assuming that the one paint over a model for protection.  :confused2:
If you have an experience with those materials or how you would make a tiny window glass, please let me know.

Dats




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Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
« Reply #887 on: August 17, 2019, 07:30:22 AM »
Hi Dats

All my cars have been brush painted because I'm too lazy to go through the airbrush cleaning routine for such small items. Also, enamel paints require spirits to clean them which can be expensive. Brushing paint usually works OK for me for cars, but it is important that the paint is not too thick. I think the paint job has got to be pretty bad before it's noticeable on a car. Afterwards I paint my cars with something called Testors Dullcote except it is the gloss version of Dullcote. It makes them they shine better if the paint job is a matt finish and it also protects the paint.

I really don't know about fitting windows though. That would take real skill that I don't have.

Webbo

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Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
« Reply #888 on: August 17, 2019, 09:00:55 AM »
:dunce: Hello?

Hi Mike 👋
Did you set your layout back up already?
Please let me know how you're going these days.



Hi Dats - I'm good thanks. Yes, the layout's set up again, although we have more visitors due Monday. It's strange how many more visitors we get since retiring to the seaside in Wales, compared to when we lived in central Scotland... I've walled-in the coal mine on my layout, some work needed to tidy that before I post an update. Have also been exploring 3D printing the last few months.



About modelling those window glazing.
I saw some YouTube videos that demonstrating Microscale Kristal Klear(?) product.
It looked easy enough but I'm still don't get how it form a thin layer of the milky stuff.
I also asked about glazing to the seller that I bought from.
He said an artist's acrylic gloss medium is better because it drys quicker.
I never use either of materials and I don't even know what artist's acrylic gloss medium is.
I'm assuming that the one paint over a model for protection.  :confused2:
If you have an experience with those materials or how you would make a tiny window glass, please let me know.

Dats


It's easy once you've practised a bit. Take a pin and dip it in the goo. Run the gooey pin around the inside edge of the window frame. Get some more goo on the pin. Touch the gooey pin on one edge of the window frame. Move the pin across the window to the opposite side - it will drag a skin of goo across the hole. Take pin away and leave to dry.

Good luck!

Mike

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Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
« Reply #889 on: August 22, 2019, 05:18:12 PM »
 :dunce: Hello?

Hi Webbo and Mike.
Thank you very much for the information.

I've been searching a window glazing material for awhile.
I found out that it's call "Canopy glue". I didn't even know that!  :scowl:
I can find a bunch of glues online but my cheap imaginary friend Jimmy om my right shoulder said "No, shipping is expensive. Buy at a local hobby shop".
I called a hobby shop for Microscale Kristal Klear but he told me that's the only one they don't have in stock.
Now, I was frantically searching on general craft stores instead of a hobby shop.
Then I realized that it's (appear to be) a white glue.
And I found YouTube video comparing Kristal Klear , Regular withe glue and something else that I don't remember.
He said on the video that Elmer school glue is a little bit thin but doable for model window glazing.
 :doh: I have a school glue! In fact I have two of them!! :heart2:

So I experimented it on scrap styrene strips. (I think that's a styrene material. It's a $0.99 "For sale" sign.)

Cut a square hole and now is a glue window time.


I'm drying them now.
See what happens. :hmmm:

Dats
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Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
« Reply #890 on: August 22, 2019, 05:57:59 PM »
Please wait........

Please wait........

Please wait........

Andy
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Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
« Reply #891 on: August 22, 2019, 06:12:38 PM »
 :goggleeyes: Bigger opening burst now.  :smackedface:  I'm redoing it.
That's one of reasons that people wouldn't use it as a window glazing?  :hmmm:
I found Mod Podge on my paint drawer. I added it to the experiment.

And yes.
Please wait........

Please wait........

Please wait........Zzzzzz :dighole:

Dats
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Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
« Reply #892 on: August 23, 2019, 02:24:54 PM »
 :dunce: The verdict is in!

Well, I dried them overnight.
I got a near useless result.


The vehicle has a nice interior. So I wanted to make sure that I can see it through the windows.
Here are the white glue.


It didn't cure completely translucent.
I can't see the car interior clearly enough. :(
And I messed up by leaving bubbles on it.
It almost "Frosted glass" looking.
Almost useless. Disappointing. :-\

This is Mod Podge version.

It dried nicely.
I can see the interior.
It cured quickly.
It doesn't have even coat of the material and that's making the inside object somewhat twisted looking.
(The YouTube video guy mentioned that the same twisting effect happened on Kristal Klear too.)
I like the result of Pod Modge but it was hard to apply than white glue.

The conclusion:
 :dunce: What conclusion? What am I going to do?  :dunce: I don't know. :dunce:

Dats


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Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
« Reply #893 on: August 23, 2019, 03:32:36 PM »
Hi Dats, I've used the Microscale Micro Kristal Klear on a number of my models that did not have window glazing with pretty good success.

Here is one example, the Peterbilt Truck Tractor front window glazing was made using Microscale Kristal Klear.



Also the windows in this Bucyrus-Erie Crane were created using the Microscale Kristal Klear.



From what I can see, it looks like you're getting the same results from the Mod Podge and since you have it on hand, I'd say continue using it.  :thumbsup:
Cheers,
Rich S.

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Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
« Reply #894 on: August 23, 2019, 05:18:24 PM »
Dats - I think you might be, as the saying goes, pole vaulting over mouse poop. As Rich_S mentioned, you are getting a pretty good result and I'm not certain that even the more expensive stuff will do much better.

Window glazing is one of the areas where I think some N scale modelers go a bit over the edge. I've ridden a lot of passenger trains, both in the Old World and over here in the New World, and it's not easy to see inside passenger car windows. From my experience, the only time that the interiors of the cars are clearly visible is at night and then only if the interior of the car is brightly lit. Check out the photos at these link:

Daytime 20th century example: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4717127

Daytime 21st Century example: https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/File:GO_Transit_2216-a.jpg

Night time example: https://pxhere.com/en/photo/1118323

None of the interior detail is visible during the day. The same holds true for locomotive windows. Here's a photo that I took the other day of a train running past the village where I live. Nothing inside the cab is visible.




In the 12" to the foot scale world, in order to see the interior of a railroad car, house, or automobile, the light source inside would have to be brighter than the outside light level. If it's a sunny day on the Closet Branch, those interior lights would be so bright that the passengers would be roasted alive.

 ;D 8)

So there's my two cents worth. And that's probably about what it's worth.

Keep up the good work!

--- Tom E.

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Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
« Reply #895 on: August 23, 2019, 05:32:10 PM »
 :dunce: Hello? Yes, I'm still here.

Thank you very much, Rich.
Thise models are awesome!!
I don't see any uneven coating of glazing!

Hi Tom.
You're absolutely right!
Probably I won't remember that I have this car on my layout!
The reason I'm obsessed about this project is this:
I wanted to be a severely bad attitude rivet counter modeller since 3 days ago.
Then I realized that I can't count more than three and I couldn't even see rivets on tiny N size cars.
So gave it up 45 minutes ago.
I'm easily giving up stuff.
Now I'm 100% agree with you.
(Until 45 minutes ago, I was a severely bad attitude rivet counter cadet so I was agreeing with you only 44%.)


Well, in my low-tech situation, I applied Mod Podge on a vehicle with a  :dunce: attitude.



You can't see it on this photo but I can see through the interior. Yay!


I messed up side windows by applying too much.
But Hooray for a $1 Mod Podge bottle  :-*



Oh, I just realized that I'm not sure what would happen when you apply gloss coat to protect the model on top of this window glazing.
(I already sprayed gloss coat before window glazing though, yay!)
My rubbish paint job is more problematic than window glazing.
It's just so hard. So small! ....I'm talking about my brain size.  :dunce:

Three more vehicles to go.

Dats
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Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
« Reply #896 on: August 23, 2019, 05:46:52 PM »
That Modge Podge job looks good to me! I need to put some glazing into an HO scale caboose that I run at the local club along with my other HO stuff. I'll give Modge Podge a try and we'll see how that comes out.

I have the same opinion of overly lit (are those two real words) interiors in HO scale equipment as well. I think we should leave the detailed interiors to folks who model in O scale and larger. That is unless a person is looking to do well in a modeling contest and the top of the equipment or building can come off to reveal the interior.

There's another two cents.

 :D
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Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
« Reply #897 on: August 23, 2019, 06:08:26 PM »
Hi Tom

I forgot to mention that I applied Mod Podge from inside (backside) of car shell.
Mod Podge is quite thin liquid than (I guess) Kristal Klear.
Almost inevitable to apply too much on a model.
Otherwise it doesn't close the opening gap.
I wiped excess with Qtip.
Probably more efficient way to do it but I'm too busy developing my bad attitude rivet counter skills. :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:,

I'm not sure it works on bigger window openings on the lager scale.  :hmmm:
Nice to hear from you, Tom! :wave:

Dats
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Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
« Reply #898 on: August 23, 2019, 06:22:23 PM »
Thanks for the tip! I'll report back if anything comes of the experiment.

Concerning rivet counting, here's a link to a blog entry from a guy who just tore down his railroad as he and his wife are moving. It talks about being 'good enough" which I sometimes struggle to follow.

http://cprailmmsub.blogspot.com/2010/06/model-railroad-lessons-learned-3-good.html

In my case, it's not in building models, it's in trying to copy the real railroad. Every switch, every customer, every building. It's a battle to keep convincing myself that I don't have room to build a duplicate of the real thing, but for the most part, I'm winning.

 :)
Tom Edwards
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« Reply #899 on: August 24, 2019, 01:17:54 AM »
Hi Dats, Your new car looks great  :thumbsup: I would also agree to spray on any Gloss Cote or Dull Cote before installing the Mod Podge or you maybe reinstalling the Mod Podge windows.   When it comes to counting rivets, back when I was young and had really good eyes, I tried to make everything perfect. Now that I'm older and the eyesight is not as good, all I aim for is close enough. If you're into counting rivets, more power to you but for me and N scale,  if you can't see it without magnifying glasses then it's good enough for me.

Here is a perfect example:

This model:
 


Looks like this prototype locomotive:



So I'm happy. Is it perfect, no. Will it win any contests, at my age I really don't care. Does it look like the prototype P&WV number 90, close enough for my eyes. Best part, I have fun using it to switch cars on my Long Valley branch and that's the name of the game.  :thumbsup: So stop worrying, stop counting rivets you can't see without magnifying glasses and just have fun with your layout  :D

Cheers,
Rich S.

 

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