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Re: Milliedale on sea - Technical Bulitin
« Reply #90 on: March 27, 2018, 11:38:41 PM »
Some tidying and sorting has occurred clearing the layout off, hopefully over the easter weekend I'll be able to get some bits of the raised section built.

Trying to work out a few things:

1) the layout is deep, 3ft to be precise and sits in the eves of the loft, best to lay track on the raised section then fit it into place or is this likely to cause other issues?

2) how do I replicate my anyrail plan onto the board while ensuring things end up where they should?

3) does copydex hold track in a curve or will pins be needed?

any other track laying advice welcome :D

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Re: Milliedale on sea - Technical Bulitin
« Reply #91 on: March 28, 2018, 09:49:10 AM »
1. I think it's best to lay the track before pushing the board back into the eaves but bear in mind you may need to ballast/weather it first and fit any points motors (with required droppers) which could an issue if not done before placing the baseboard into position.

2. Sorry - can't help

3. The glue won't hold on it's own so I suggest glue it and place map pins between the sleepers you can pull out when the glue has dried.

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Re: Milliedale on sea - Technical Bulitin
« Reply #92 on: March 28, 2018, 09:53:03 AM »
Unfortunately to take it out of the eves either involves moving a fair bit of furniture or removing it from the loft and setting it up elsewhere, will have to apply for a work permit :D

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Re: Milliedale on sea - Technical Bulitin
« Reply #93 on: March 28, 2018, 10:17:28 AM »
Sorry, I should have engaged brain before fingers :doh:
I meant you to add everything to the raised section before then fitting that to the baseboard which is already in the eaves.

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Re: Milliedale on sea - Technical Bulitin
« Reply #94 on: March 29, 2018, 10:36:00 AM »
provisional permission to use part of the dining room has been granted for track laying!

Thinking it might be best to turn the layout round in the loft and start building the raised section across the back (it's straight along the rear edge) and lay track along there and get it running end-to end and then turn it back round to work on the front.

once I get the leak to the central heating sorted (stop valves cutting off downstairs appears to have got us heating upstairs and hot water) and repaired the porch roof I should be able to do something on the layout :D

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Re: Milliedale on sea - Technical Bulitin
« Reply #95 on: March 29, 2018, 08:23:55 PM »
I donít want to get involved in any diplomatic incidents, especially from way down here....

First priorities sound to be heating and porch roof (no sign of spring or dry weather down here yet), this will also earn massive brownie points, but after that:

Loads of different methods for fixing track down. My limited (first layout ever) experience is to pin initially to get the right location and alignment. Once you ballast (loads more different methods again) everything is pretty rock solid. I use 1:1 water:pva to fix the ballast. Once ballasted you can either remove the pins or hide them with ballast. I think that the theory with fixing the track with something like copydex is that itís relatively easy to take the track up if needed. However, once you ballast that advantage seems to disappear. But I might well be wrong!

Hope this helps, and good luck with whatever method you use.  :thumbsup:

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Re: Milliedale on sea - Technical Bulitin
« Reply #96 on: March 29, 2018, 08:29:27 PM »
Heating and porch roof are definite priorities.
 Rownie points by the score for sorting those two.
Then........crack on with the railway.
If it looks right then it most probably is right.


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Re: Milliedale on sea - Technical Bulitin
« Reply #97 on: March 29, 2018, 11:43:50 PM »
You could ask nicely for a large format printer, or find your local print shop and see if they would do a 1:1 print of your Anyrail plan at a reasonable price.

Then you lay the track on top of the plan and tear the plan away when you're done.

I've done this in my model of Wigan, laying track on top of a plan was a doddle compared to any other method. I didn't need a single track gauge to get my curves done, and I didn't need to worry about track centers on curves either.

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Re: Milliedale on sea - Technical Bulitin
« Reply #98 on: March 30, 2018, 09:06:53 AM »
You could ask nicely for a large format printer, or find your local print shop and see if they would do a 1:1 print of your Anyrail plan at a reasonable price.

Kind of embarrassing I didn't think about doing this, I work at head office of Printing.com!
I think the cost would still come in at over £30 even with staff discount

I've bought some carbon paper to put under the bits of plan and trace through, then marker pen to make sure it doesn't rub off.

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Re: Milliedale on sea - Technical Bulitin
« Reply #99 on: March 30, 2018, 03:36:14 PM »
So around 30 quid, compared to say the cost of 3 Tracksetta's. Gaugemaster have them at 7 pounds each. Of course if you already own the Tracksetta's or are not using Flex track, then 30 quid is 30 quid. But I would say that buying a print, versus buying Tracksetta's is a no brainer. Especially as you can have as many radii as you wish on your plan, plus transition curves if you want to get fancy.

I was lucky enough to get an HP large format printer as an early Christmas present, it has made track laying on my new layout really easy, and compared to the cost of getting prints done here in the US ($250 for each iteration of my initial plan!) it has paid for itself already!

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Re: Milliedale on sea - Technical Bulitin
« Reply #100 on: March 30, 2018, 07:23:34 PM »
I've got two copies of the plan on A4 (88 sheets) already which is where the carbon paper comes in, can lay it out, taped together, with the carbon paper below it and trace.

the A4's got banged out on the office laser printer while no one was looking in payment for some overtime I'd clocked up :D

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Re: LMS by the seaside - Milliedale - on - sea
« Reply #101 on: August 09, 2018, 02:27:52 PM »
Summer update:

Things are well at the Yorkshire Embassy, although some jobs around the house have taken priority over the layout.
The Yorkshire Embassy de Mallorca will be invading in only a couple of weeks, currently I have annexed their bedroom (the other half of the loft conversion) to work on the boards so really do need to get on with tracing and turning etc, I have all the wood to build the raised sections and nearly all the track (a couple of points weren't on the order)

Some sorting of bits of the house are required, it's very slow progress sorting parts of the dining room following the heating issue where things were removed from funiture and dumped in a corner (on my other desk) and need sorting through - need some help from the wife but she's not getting round to it.


Electronics for motive power
actually get a train moving under DCC power!
Finish testing MERG components for DCC control
purchase and build cut out modules

Electronics for signaling (and points):
Control panel (work out what MERG components for signal and point control, purchase and build)

Motive power:
L&Y 3d printed pug - paint, add couplings, afix to chassis etc 11808
Streamlined City of Coventry - wartime black - paint and number
Streamlined Princess Eliza - Crimson - paint, line and number
LMS 10,000 (class 37 chassis sourced)

Rolling stock:
Trial and fit DG couplings - magnet purchased, test track needs to be built, and couplings. - some couplings built, working out cutting small bits of brass to be even smaller...
Ransome & Rapier breakdown crane (and train)
push pull set

Buildings:
Scalescenes large station (midland)
persuade wife to finish cinema so I can build a back for it -need to build back for it
finish Metcalfe timber framed shops - need to build backs[/s]
Metcalfe coaching inn
ratio coaling tower - what health and safety? painting
Metcalfe LNWR signal box (why the woodwork is green I don't know) built but awaiting interior kit
Sea wall
Faller post office (intended to be pub / station hotel) - under construction, need chimneys
Smart Models terraced houses (B&B) started on desk at work
Smart Models pier building
Smart Models engine shed
detail LNWR station building
detail and finish goods shed
Finish Severn Brass vicarage kit
finish detailing church building


Structural work (baseboards and the like):
Plan depot as this is actually missing from track plan
build raised trackbed
lay track


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Re: Milliedale on sea - Technical Bulitin
« Reply #102 on: August 10, 2018, 02:59:43 PM »
Just a note to myself to gauge the height of the North Cliff through which 'Castle Tunnel' runs:

Scarborough's cliff lifts are
Spa / South 285ft (570mm)
Central 232ft (464mm)
North Cliff / Peasolm (now dismantled) 167ft (334ft)
St Nicholas Cliff / Grand Hotel 101ft (202mm)

not all as tall as you might expect...

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Re: LMS by the seaside - Milliedale - on - sea
« Reply #103 on: November 15, 2018, 10:26:56 AM »
Autumn update:

Electronics for motive power
actually get a train moving under DCC power!
Finish testing MERG components for DCC control
purchase and build cut out modules

Electronics for signaling (and points):
Control panel (work out what MERG components for signal and point control, purchase and build)

Motive power:
L&Y 3d printed pug - paint, add couplings, afix to chassis etc 11808
Streamlined City of Coventry - wartime black - paint and number
Streamlined Princess Eliza - Crimson - paint, line and number
LMS 10,000 (class 37 chassis sourced)

Rolling stock:
Trial and fit DG couplings - magnet purchased, test track needs to be built, and couplings. - some couplings built, working out cutting small bits of brass to be even smaller...
Test steel single piece loop and dropper for the above - 10 wagon test train to be built.
Ransome & Rapier breakdown crane (and train)
push pull set

Buildings:
Scalescenes large station (midland)
persuade wife to finish cinema so I can build a back for it -need to build back for it
finish Metcalfe timber framed shops - need to build backs[/s]
Metcalfe coaching inn
ratio coaling tower - what health and safety? painting
Metcalfe LNWR signal box (why the woodwork is green I don't know) built but awaiting interior kit
Sea wall
Faller post office (intended to be pub / station hotel) - under construction, need chimneys
Smart Models terraced houses (B&B) started on desk at work
Smart Models pier building
Smart Models engine shed
detail LNWR station building
detail and finish goods shed
Finish Severn Brass vicarage kit
finish detailing church building


Structural work (baseboards and the like):
Plan depot as this is actually missing from track plan
build raised trackbed
lay track



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Re: Milliedale on sea - Technical Bulitin
« Reply #104 on: November 19, 2018, 10:40:20 PM »
A small snippet of news from 11F

Current Loco Roster and state of each locomotive

Recently overhauled
7524 Jinty DCC fitted
6404 Ivatt 2MT DCC fitted
5305 Black 5 'Leonard Freear' DCC fitted
5664 Jubilee 'Nelson' DCC fitted
2691 Fairburn Tank DCC ready

Locos due for the works
6100 Royal Scot 'Royal Scot' DCC ready
5020 Black 5 DCC ready
5020 Black 5 DCC 'ready' - circuit board issue
7231 Jinty1200
Ivatt 2MT Tank
7130 Diesel Shunter
13098 Crab
1111 4P
3808 3F 'Donald'
4370 4F 'Douglas'
9127 G2

Locos at Carnforth (11A)
11808 ex L&Y Class 21 'Bob' - stripped awaiting re-build

Locos due from Derby Works
10000 - Awaiting body fitting to chassis

Locos due from Crewe
6240 City of Coventry
6231 Princess Eliza (formally Duchess of Atholl re-built in streamlined form after the 1945 collision)

Visiting Locos:
LNER 8079 J94
LNER 4468 'Mallard' DCC ready
LNER 4472 'Flying Scotsman'
1 'Thomas'

Locos due for transfer / awaiting bids
DP1 DCC fitted
« Last Edit: November 21, 2018, 10:10:22 PM by Black Sheep »

 

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