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Re: Dapol - Class 86
« Reply #75 on: May 20, 2019, 04:12:57 PM »
I don’t want to upgrade, I just need replacements for my workbench residents. I know there are many 86s out there that are languishing as non-runners because of old PCBs failing and no replacement being available.

I saw the digest post about not doing a re-run, but rather doing them in pairs, either way those are also replacement parts that are needed (even if the arms are oddly long, still better than the Farish offering)
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Re: Dapol - Class 86
« Reply #76 on: May 20, 2019, 04:17:51 PM »
Ah, I see. Haven’t had one fail, didn’t realise it was particularly endemic.

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Re: Dapol - Class 86
« Reply #77 on: May 20, 2019, 04:18:48 PM »
Why? Not sure I’d see much point in upgrading, unless they’ve made space in the chassis for a speaker, and even then that would render the Next-18 PCB a bit of a pointless upgrade. I can’t see many people wanting to change PCBs just to improve lighting control.

Two out of my three existing class 86s failed because of faulty PCBs (and two HSTs and one class 26). In all cases they were replaced under warrantee but if the new one proves reliable then I'd be very tempted with an upgrade. More so if independent control over tail lights was possible.

There are still wires connecting the body to the chassis for the lighting.

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Re: Dapol - Class 86
« Reply #78 on: May 20, 2019, 04:27:28 PM »

They’ve said on the Digest that they don’t intend to do a re-run of the pantographs as they weren’t popular, although if they did they’d do them in pairs rather than one BW and one SF.

I would imagine if the pantograph were a bit less over scale, then they would have proved a little more popular.

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Re: Dapol - Class 86
« Reply #79 on: May 20, 2019, 05:15:47 PM »
Why? Not sure I’d see much point in upgrading, unless they’ve made space in the chassis for a speaker, and even then that would render the Next-18 PCB a bit of a pointless upgrade. I can’t see many people wanting to change PCBs just to improve lighting control.

Two out of my three existing class 86s failed because of faulty PCBs (and two HSTs and one class 26). In all cases they were replaced under warrantee but if the new one proves reliable then I'd be very tempted with an upgrade. More so if independent control over tail lights was possible.

There are still wires connecting the body to the chassis for the lighting.

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Re: Dapol - Class 86
« Reply #80 on: May 21, 2019, 10:10:54 AM »
Waiting for the replacement PCBs to show up at DCC supplies, supposedly they are compatible with the first batch, I imagine they will be quite popular, hopefully they will do another run of pantographs too (we had a flipped one yesterday on the real thing, not fun)

The old pcb boards were the same as the class 67 pcb, I have replaced one of my 67 boards with a board out of an 86 .  Talking with Andy from DCC Supplies he stated that there was a small modification needed to fit the new 67 board in an old 67 chassis so I assume the same will apply to the 86's. The lights still connect to the pcb board by wires otherwise this would mean a complete redesign of the bodyshell where as altering the pcb board is quite straight forward.

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Re: Dapol - Class 86
« Reply #81 on: May 21, 2019, 04:08:59 PM »
Just for my edification - do this new batch have the original metal sprung pans?

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Re: Dapol - Class 86
« Reply #82 on: May 21, 2019, 04:11:36 PM »
Just for my edification - do this new batch have the original metal sprung pans?

No, sadly - it looks like they have the vastly overscale plastic pantographs.

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Re: Dapol - Class 86
« Reply #83 on: May 21, 2019, 04:15:14 PM »
As opposed to the woefully inaccurate metal ones, which are still vastly overscale!  :doh:

The Stone Faiveley isn't too bad, but the Brecknell-Willis one is far too long for some totally unknown reason, I'm sure it would have been as easy to get right, and it would have been a really good looking item then!

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Re: Dapol - Class 86
« Reply #84 on: May 21, 2019, 04:18:37 PM »
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Have to agree the plastic bubble packed things were a disappointment some scaling area at CAD stage not unlike a manor loco some time ago as well.       

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Re: Dapol - Class 86
« Reply #85 on: May 21, 2019, 04:21:25 PM »
Thanks has anybody examined one in a shop?

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Re: Dapol - Class 86
« Reply #86 on: May 21, 2019, 04:24:24 PM »
As opposed to the woefully inaccurate metal ones, which are still vastly overscale!  :doh:

Nowhere near as bad. They are Sommerfeldt ones, that Farish also used, and are therefore over 25 years old in design. Sure, they are not faithful representations, but nothing like the Dapol efforts.

I've switched newer models to them, as the Dapol efforts are quite so poor.

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Re: Dapol - Class 86
« Reply #87 on: May 21, 2019, 04:31:09 PM »
Whilst I've done the opposite, and have shortened a few of the BWHS ones, as the Sommerfeldt ones really grate, they look nothing like a UK outline pantograph, IMO the Dapol offering is significantly better, if too long in the arm. I have some Tomix ones which are a better approximation that I've fitted to some of my 350s too.

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Re: Dapol - Class 86
« Reply #88 on: May 21, 2019, 04:34:31 PM »
The sommerfeldt pantographs did not look right. Are the tomix ones easy to fit?

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Re: Dapol - Class 86
« Reply #89 on: May 21, 2019, 08:41:49 PM »
Yes, extremely. I'll try and take a photo tomorrow. The heads aren't quite right, they not 'looped', rather it's two parallel strips, but I wondered about fitting some of the etched heads Jon (PostModN66) has done, as they're very nice.

Edit: it's these I've got:

, they're still not quite right, the head needs offsetting more, but they're not bad. Until Revolution offer packs of theirs...!
« Last Edit: May 21, 2019, 08:44:57 PM by njee20 »

 

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