!!

Not Registered?

Welcome!  Please register to view all of the new posts and forum boards - some of which are hidden to guests.  After registering and gaining 10 posts you will be able to sell and buy items on our N'porium.

If you have any problems registering, then please check your spam filter before emailing us.  Hotmail users seem to find their emails in the Junk folder.


Thanks for reading,
The NGF Staff.

Author Topic: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3  (Read 44372 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Dr Al

  • Trade Count: (+49)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4339
  • Country: gb
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
Re: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3
« Reply #345 on: July 31, 2018, 10:27:15 PM »
Re Bulleid - 34004 Yeovil in the locomotive exchange to Scotland or 34006 Bude exchange to the Great Central?

Alas, no - as this is a Merchant Navy; not a Light pacific.

John was correct - if I ever get time for pursuing my failed Revolution pendolino purchase, this will becom No. 35017 Belgian Marine in May. 1948.

Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Roy L S
If Dr Al is online he may be able to provide a more comprehensive answer.

Offline portland-docks

  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 22291
  • Posts: 1688
  • Country: gb
  • Gender: Male
  • give me a black 5 anyday!
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
    • Moorside Valley Railway
    • Awards
Re: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3
« Reply #346 on: September 30, 2018, 08:18:13 PM »
Dr Al!

i have a question, i have a langly standard 4 body kit lieing around somewhere, and would love to have 75029 in br green on my layout.

what other pieces do i need and how much would you charge for a commision?

mine does need to be DCC however!

then the next question is the 2-10-0 WD, the shire i reckon we could handle as that looks straight forward if its on the schools chassis with a b1 tender (got a spare B1 tender!)

cheers

paul
Visit my heritage Railway "moorside Valley Railway"

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=9280.0

see first post for exhibition dates

Offline Chris in Prague

  • Trade Count: (+14)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 24400
  • Posts: 11448
  • Country: cz
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
Re: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3
« Reply #347 on: September 30, 2018, 09:03:09 PM »
For the BR Standard 4MT 4-6-0 body kit, you need an old Graham Farish Black Five 4-6-0. Best would be a later model with the blackened wheels. The chassis of these can be DCC-fitted. The most expensive option would be a new GF Black Five 4-6-0 but you'd have much better wheels and, I think they have a split chassis if not completely DCC-ready.

Offline portland-docks

  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 22291
  • Posts: 1688
  • Country: gb
  • Gender: Male
  • give me a black 5 anyday!
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
    • Moorside Valley Railway
    • Awards
Re: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3
« Reply #348 on: September 30, 2018, 09:06:14 PM »
For the BR Standard 4MT 4-6-0 body kit, you need an old Graham Farish Black Five 4-6-0. Best would be a later model with the blackened wheels. The chassis of these can be DCC-fitted. The most expensive option would be a new GF Black Five 4-6-0 but you'd have much better wheels and, I think they have a split chassis if not completely DCC-ready.

well i got a new version black 5 which iv had for a number of years, which is no good to me as a black 5 anymore, so would it be that donor loco and a 4mt tender chassis?
Visit my heritage Railway "moorside Valley Railway"

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=9280.0

see first post for exhibition dates

Offline Dr Al

  • Trade Count: (+49)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4339
  • Country: gb
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
Re: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3
« Reply #349 on: September 30, 2018, 11:26:41 PM »
Dr Al!

i have a question, i have a langly standard 4 body kit lieing around somewhere, and would love to have 75029 in br green on my layout.

what other pieces do i need and how much would you charge for a commision?

You need an old tool Farish Black 5 - the Langley kit is designed for this. The new tool one is no good, as the driving wheel size is too large.

Commissions are not cheap, and currently I am not taking anything on as I have others to finish at present.

Regards,
Alan
Quote from: Roy L S
If Dr Al is online he may be able to provide a more comprehensive answer.

Offline Chris in Prague

  • Trade Count: (+14)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 24400
  • Posts: 11448
  • Country: cz
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
Re: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3
« Reply #350 on: October 01, 2018, 07:58:06 AM »
Thanks for this, Dr. Al: "The new tool one is no good, as the driving wheel size is too large." I did not know that. Fortunately, I have bought an old tool Graham Farish Black 5 to provide a DCC-fitted (by Douglas, at Wickness Models) chassis for the Langley BR Standard 4MT kit, which I am about to buy to make an Exmouth Junction allocated example in BR Lined Green.

Offline Dr Al

  • Trade Count: (+49)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4339
  • Country: gb
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
Re: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3
« Reply #351 on: October 01, 2018, 09:48:15 AM »
Thanks for this, Dr. Al: "The new tool one is no good, as the driving wheel size is too large." I did not know that. Fortunately, I have bought an old tool Graham Farish Black 5 to provide a DCC-fitted (by Douglas, at Wickness Models) chassis for the Langley BR Standard 4MT kit, which I am about to buy to make an Exmouth Junction allocated example in BR Lined Green.

Remember the Standard 5MT is basically a standard black 5 - so putting (essentially) the same wheels on a 4MT would result in something that wouldn't look remotely correct - it'd look like a small boilered 5MT.

Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Roy L S
If Dr Al is online he may be able to provide a more comprehensive answer.

Offline Atso

  • Advertiser
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1682
  • Country: 00
    • Awards
Re: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3
« Reply #352 on: October 01, 2018, 10:02:08 AM »
Thanks for this, Dr. Al: "The new tool one is no good, as the driving wheel size is too large." I did not know that. Fortunately, I have bought an old tool Graham Farish Black 5 to provide a DCC-fitted (by Douglas, at Wickness Models) chassis for the Langley BR Standard 4MT kit, which I am about to buy to make an Exmouth Junction allocated example in BR Lined Green.

Remember the Standard 5MT is basically a standard black 5 - so putting (essentially) the same wheels on a 4MT would result in something that wouldn't look remotely correct - it'd look like a small boilered 5MT.

Cheers,
Alan

If you could source them, the 4MT (2-6-4) wheels could be used but you'd loose the traction tires. Alternative N class wheels could be used but they are underscale for the N class to fit under the splashers. Also the 5MT chassis block closely follows the shape of the 5MT boiler very closely and the motor is mounted quite high so there isn't much metal that could be removed to fit a smaller boiler.

I did look at designing a 4MT a little while back but rejected the 5MT for these reasons and have yet to identify a good enough donor chassis from the modern options available to warrant making a start.

Offline Dr Al

  • Trade Count: (+49)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4339
  • Country: gb
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
Re: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3
« Reply #353 on: October 01, 2018, 10:26:49 AM »
If you could source them, the 4MT (2-6-4) wheels could be used but you'd loose the traction tires. Alternative N class wheels could be used but they are underscale for the N class to fit under the splashers. Also the 5MT chassis block closely follows the shape of the 5MT boiler very closely and the motor is mounted quite high so there isn't much metal that could be removed to fit a smaller boiler.

I did look at designing a 4MT a little while back but rejected the 5MT for these reasons and have yet to identify a good enough donor chassis from the modern options available to warrant making a start.

The 2-6-4T doesn't have tyres I don't think. If N wheels are underscale, then they may end up no better than the overscale 5MT wheels given that in reality the N wheels are smaller than those on the 4MT.

But honestly - this is all too much (effort and expense) for rapidly diminishing returns IMHO, particularly for me already having two (and two more to be built) - the old Black 5 chassis is still pretty good, getting 95% of the way there, with the major inaccuracy being the spacing of the front two drivers. This however, is a little less immediately visible with the valve gear standing in front of it. Also, fitting a metal body over a metal split chassis is also not an enviable task - the chance for shorting out is very high - getting a newer chassis under that would need a load of milling out at very least.

Indeed the old Black 5s I have run better than the new tool models, particularly at crawl speeds. These chassis I've gleaned from old black 5's that now have Duchess chassis under them, and these also run better than the new tool models I have.

Frankly, with the Langley 4MT kit that can make a decent model if detailed (as hopefully mine show), it's not worth designing a replacement IMHO. I'd ultimately be very surprised if one of the manufacturers don't take this on at some point too.

One are I'd consider uprating on my models are the slide bars and crosshead, but it's not a priority enough that I've even looked into possible alternatives (maybe old Farish A3?).

Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Roy L S
If Dr Al is online he may be able to provide a more comprehensive answer.

Offline portland-docks

  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 22291
  • Posts: 1688
  • Country: gb
  • Gender: Male
  • give me a black 5 anyday!
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
    • Moorside Valley Railway
    • Awards
Re: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3
« Reply #354 on: October 02, 2018, 02:18:57 PM »
dammit...and i suck at these things lol, half the stuff i attempt ends up going off to someone where i pay more to get it rectified than it would to have it commissioned lol
Visit my heritage Railway "moorside Valley Railway"

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=9280.0

see first post for exhibition dates

Offline Dr Al

  • Trade Count: (+49)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4339
  • Country: gb
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
Re: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3
« Reply #355 on: November 10, 2018, 02:27:45 PM »
It's been so busy over the last 6 months that actually getting some me-modelling-time has been surprisingly difficult.

But with the winter drawing in, it's concentrated the mind to clear some of the garbage and get on with some of the many unfinished projects.

The first is the first Atso V1. This was close to being fully assembled when I left it, with only the safety valves, whistle and front steps to add. Those have all now gone on meaning the model is complete bar painting.



The front steps are N-brass, ground down in width and with their ends shaped to fit the curves of the front bufferbeam. I broke my own rule with these on never using epoxy - other glues just weren't going to hold them on rigidly enough.

Next is 35017, which had been left essentially assembled, but needed renumbering and decalling. This was delayed before as I realised nobody actually did the "Belgian Marine" plates it would need. 6 months later and Fox Transfers expanding nameplate range solved this issue, so the loco now has its identity.



It started out as a Farish MN, with a Duchess tender chassis added and a Black 5 tender body to complete. Decals are also Fox. Now needs varnish sealing and some coal to complete.

One this I am missing from this is the smokebox door circular brass plate that the MNs originally had. I don't know of anywhere that makes this - if anyone does, let me know. In the mean time, the front numberplate has been blacked out, as this is the best that can be done.

Finally is the first of another Atso model - the D49. This project halted when I ran into problems with the tender bodies whose sides bowed, and straightening didn't work, and one side crumbled. Therefore, recently I bit the bullet and got some suitable Farish tender tops instead. Surprisingly, these fit the Dapol B1 tender chassis fairly easily with minimal material removal internally, though the Dapol motor did need the corners of the frame removed to make it fit in. There is a doubling of the tender footplate here, which is unavoidable, but a price worth paying to get a solution.



Loco now needs the tender drawbar fitted, the front bogie completed, pickup from loco considered, and then it hopefully should be ready for the paint shop.

Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Roy L S
If Dr Al is online he may be able to provide a more comprehensive answer.

Offline Chris in Prague

  • Trade Count: (+14)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 24400
  • Posts: 11448
  • Country: cz
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
Re: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3
« Reply #356 on: November 10, 2018, 03:30:21 PM »
Thanks for this update. Very impressive work.

Offline Newportnobby

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+63)
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • N Gauge Society Number: 21962
  • Posts: 30029
  • Country: england
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
Re: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3
« Reply #357 on: November 10, 2018, 04:09:39 PM »
The V1 looks stunning :drool: Congrats to you and @Atso
The front coupling/buffers look like close coupling will be good!

Offline silly moo

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 28102
  • Posts: 1579
  • Country: gb
  • Gender: Female
    • Awards
Re: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3
« Reply #358 on: November 10, 2018, 05:24:33 PM »
It is a pleasure to see such superb modelling in N.

 :NGaugersRule:


Offline Atso

  • Advertiser
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1682
  • Country: 00
    • Awards
Re: Dr Al's workbench - V1, V3
« Reply #359 on: November 11, 2018, 10:15:19 AM »
Wonderful work Alan and thank you for purchasing and building my prints.

 

Please Support Us!
December Goal: £55.00
Due Date: Dec 31
Total Receipts: £347.00
Above Goal: £292.00
Site Currency: GBP
631% 
December Donations


Advertise Here