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Author Topic: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones  (Read 6223 times)

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2015, 12:01:51 PM »
Update from my research.

I was surprised and shocked to find that just looking at list or eBay prices there is a terrific difference in price.
Sadly I had to eliminate Bob@NTrain's wheels as they are not the 3 hole discs I require.
This left Bachmann and Parkside Dundas.
The cheapest I could find for Bachmann wheels 379-410 was £5.90 for 10 axles from Modelscape on eBay, the list price being £6.75 per 10.
The price direct from Parkside Dundas for 20 wheels was £19.25 per 20 axles.
Remember these are published prices and are not negotiated. This will be done when I am ready to buy.
I require 700 axles in total, so comparing one against the other, I would save (at list price) over £250.
So surprise, surprise it is Bachmann who are the cheapest...and in my original post I said I wouldn't pay Bachmann's prices  :doh:
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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2015, 12:28:38 PM »
You need to be careful with some of the Parkside ones too - they used to have a nasty habit of shedding their metal tyres. They can be reattached, but it's more difficult to get them true.

I, like you, have rewheeled any needy stock with Bachmann wheels, but slowly and steadily to spread the shock of the cost!!

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2015, 12:32:29 PM »
You need to be careful with some of the Parkside ones too - they used to have a nasty habit of shedding their metal tyres. They can be reattached, but it's more difficult to get them true.

I, like you, have rewheeled any needy stock with Bachmann wheels, but slowly and steadily to spread the shock of the cost!!

Cheers,
Alan

Yes Alan, I have experienced shed tyres in the past from the Parkside ones.
The cost will have to be spread, but I'm hoping I can place an order at a good price with a scheduled delivery.
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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2015, 01:20:44 PM »
I require 700 axles in total

Have you discussed your requirement with Bob @NTrain ?  Maybe this is something he can develop as a 'sister' line ?

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2015, 07:31:51 PM »
I require 700 axles in total

Have you discussed your requirement with Bob @NTrain ?  Maybe this is something he can develop as a 'sister' line ?


No I haven't as yet. I shall not be acting for a while yet, but sadly I think it unlikely I will have the cash to do a one hit order...more likely 125 per month over 6 months. Suggestion noted, thank you.
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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2015, 10:46:35 PM »
Not got any of the 3 hole wheels to measure up.

If someone can get me the measurements for the holes, I can get a price sorted.

I am about to get some wheels made, so could look at some other ones a t the same time.

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2015, 12:26:55 AM »
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Is this what is wanted?

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2015, 10:18:35 AM »
I have been in contact with my supplier, and these seem to be coming out rather too expensive.

A pack of 50 would be about £68 and 10 for about £15

Plain disc ones are 50 for £42 and 10 for £9

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2015, 09:16:59 PM »
I have been doing some fast talking with my supplier and would be able to match the selling price of the plain disk wheels, but only if I order them at the same time as the 5.1mm disc wheels I am now ordering.

50 for £42 and 10 for £9

The manufacturing cycle is about 3 weeks.

Does anyone want to help this go ahead by pre-ordering any?

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2015, 12:04:56 AM »
Is this what is wanted?
Does anyone want to help this go ahead by pre-ordering any?
Ummm, hi Bob the answer to both is " I dont know" !

All my peco wagons are less than a year old, and so am I, so I didnt know I had a problem till I read this thread !
So, which wagons would benefit from which wheel type ?

So far I am a bit agnostic on which wagons I need for what period etc, I just bought a few (well 2doz mixed rtr and kit ) just to see, practice and to have a few different 'things' for inglenooking. (dont laugh ! :) )

So,  ummmm ?? (hand-holding or educating may be required, so much to learn, so little time ! )



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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2015, 08:26:53 AM »
The Peco wheels are plastic and sometimes can be a bit 'light'. Metal wheels give a much smother ride, giving a small amount of extra weight as an added benefit.

Basically, you do not 'need' to replace any wheels. However, the Peco wagons can get a better ride with metal wheels. Any old style wagons and coaches, with very large flanged wheel rims, will get better looks and running with modern finer detail wheels.

Until I started doing my Wheelz, the choices were Farish, Parkside Dundas and ATM. I started doing mine, mainly to go with my EMU kits.

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2018, 12:15:30 PM »
Bump - Bob, all your wheelsets are listed as 14.9mm axles so may I confirm please that they are a drop-in replacement for Peco wheelsets (reportedly 15.3mm axles).

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2018, 12:22:33 PM »
I tested them on  some Peco wagons myself, and have sold them to quite a few people for that purpose.

I can only assume that they work for these people, as I have had no negative feedback.

However, I believe that it may be necessary to 'bed' them in on some wagons depending on the age.

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Re: Replacing Peco Plastic Wagon Wheels with Metal ones
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2018, 12:28:29 PM »
Thanks for your reply. I asked because I've just tried some of your wheelsets in a Peco wagon chassis kit. They look a little longer than the Peco axles and are a stiff fit. No doubt they will bed in.

 

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