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Would you buy a crowd-funded class 205 Hampshire DEMU?

Livery - plain green (1957 to mid-1960s)
13 (20%)
Livery - plain green with experimental orange "V" on fronts (mid-1960s)
1 (1.5%)
Livery - green with small yellow panels (mid to late 1960s)
5 (7.7%)
Livery - rail blue
11 (16.9%)
Livery - rail blue/grey
5 (7.7%)
Livery - Network SouthEast
15 (23.1%)
Livery - Connex yellow/white
2 (3.1%)
None of the above
13 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 62

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - Class 205 Hampshire DEMU
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2015, 07:53:57 PM »
On Southern Region's Central Division, there were formations of 3 x 3 Hampshire and/or class 207 East Sussex DEMUs
http://www.semgonline.com/gallery/class205_02.html

and 2 x 3-car formations ran between London-East Grinstead/Uckfield
see second from bottom image of the Eridge page
http://www.semgonline.com/location/eridge_01.html





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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - Class 205 Hampshire DEMU
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2015, 08:40:46 PM »
I've added a poll to gauge interest - please vote now for your choices :NGaugersRule:
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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - Class 205 Hampshire DEMU
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2015, 08:33:04 PM »
Kernow has now sold out all its initial run of Thumpers.

It's taken nearly two years since they landed on our shores on 15th February 2013 to sell out. I don't know how many were commissioned, but they dealt with nearly 1000 orders on their first arrival

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61445-bachmann-class-205-thumper-decorated-samples/page-4

They only brought out 2-car units in plain green as built, green with orange "V" on front and Connex yellow/white.

Would 3-car units have sold quicker if they were offered in the most popular liveries: green, blue and Network SouthEast?
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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - Class 205 Hampshire DEMU
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2015, 07:46:40 AM »
Would 3-car units have sold quicker if they were offered in the most popular liveries: green, blue and Network SouthEast?

Possibly but there'd have been an increased financial risk as they'd have to develop the centre car as well.  You don't get owt for nowt these days.

Now they've hopefully got the initial development costs back Kernow might splash some more cash and get a 3 car to the market.

Personally I'd have gone the 3 car route first and then done the minority liveries later on.

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - Class 205 Hampshire DEMU
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2015, 01:30:50 PM »
I would certainly buy one of these.  I used to get these at East Croydon at about 11:30pm when the pubs shut.  Noisy things!  :D

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - Class 205 Hampshire DEMU
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2015, 06:44:43 PM »
Kernow's planning three more DEMUs for release later this year, all 2-car: http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/category/1102/Diesel_Locomotives

1121 - green with yellow panel
1122 - rail blue
205 001 - Network SouthEast

205 001 (1101) is from the first batch, built 1957. It lost its centre car by 1999.
1121/22 are from the batch numbered 1119-22, built 1958 intended for lines in Kent and East Sussex including the now closed Bexhill West and New Romney branch lines.
They have fewer roof lighting conduits compared with the original 1957 1101-18 batch. All four were reformed as 3-car units in 1979.

Image of 1125 on Mid-Hants Railway http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FdkltfqoY6Q/maxresdefault.jpg
Image of 205 012 (1112) http://www.semgonline.com/gallery/pics/cd205012_1.jpg

New roof tooling would be needed to represent units 1119-22, although I suspect it's cheaper than tooling up for a complete centre car.
Again, if they went for 3-car units from the original 1101-18 batch from the outset they could have had more liveries and a choice of 2 or 3 car units straight away.



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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - Class 205 Hampshire DEMU
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2015, 09:10:01 AM »
Am I right in thinking that the DTC from a Hampshire unit could be combined with the DMBSO of a (hypothetical) 2-EPB to produce a 2-HAP?

The lack of anything to accompany the 4-CEP is a disappointment considering what else Bachmann has released since in 00. Maybe a 2/3H is just what is needed to get the SR MU scene moving.
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - Class 205 Hampshire DEMU
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2015, 12:26:37 PM »
Am I right in thinking that the DTC from a Hampshire unit could be combined with the DMBSO of a (hypothetical) 2-EPB to produce a 2-HAP?

The lack of anything to accompany the 4-CEP is a disappointment considering what else Bachmann has released since in 00. Maybe a 2/3H is just what is needed to get the SR MU scene moving.

Yes, this is feasible - the DTC will need 3rd rail shoegear fitted, but otherwise it could be used "as is"
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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - Class 205 Hampshire DEMU
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2015, 01:32:27 PM »
One cosmetic change needed would be the replacement of any buckeye coupler/Pullman rubbing plate from the internal end of the DTC and substituting a centre buffer...
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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - Class 205 Hampshire DEMU
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2015, 07:12:44 PM »
Am I right in thinking that the DTC from a Hampshire unit could be combined with the DMBSO of a (hypothetical) 2-EPB to produce a 2-HAP?

The lack of anything to accompany the 4-CEP is a disappointment considering what else Bachmann has released since in 00. Maybe a 2/3H is just what is needed to get the SR MU scene moving.

Yes, this is feasible - the DTC will need 3rd rail shoegear fitted, but otherwise it could be used "as is"

You would also need to change the 2nd class compartment behind the drivers cab to 1st class.

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - Class 205 Hampshire DEMU
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2015, 09:17:40 PM »
If there is demand, it might be worth speaking to Kernow / Bachmann who have already done the hard work and produced a cracking 2H in 4mm.
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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - Class 205 Hampshire DEMU
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2015, 09:27:28 PM »
You may be interested to know that these units also worked the Clapham Junction to Kensington route in the early 1990s, before conductor rails were laid.

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - Class 205 Hampshire DEMU
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2015, 09:33:57 PM »
There is a lot of commonality between the Class 205 and Eastleigh Suburban electric units of the time, such as the 2/4 EPB and 2-HAP.

Clever tooling could really pay dividends and keep Southern Region modellers happy for years!
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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - Class 205 Hampshire DEMU
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2015, 09:46:13 PM »
You may be interested to know that these units also worked the Clapham Junction to Kensington route in the early 1990s, before conductor rails were laid.

Very useful first post Copywriter and welcome to the N Gauge Forum.  How about putting a bit about yourself in the Welcome & Introduction thread so we can get to know a bit more about you and your aspirations etc. 

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - Class 205 Hampshire DEMU
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2015, 09:29:20 AM »
Kernow's planning three more DEMUs for release later this year, all 2-car: http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/category/1102/Diesel_Locomotives

1121 - green with yellow panel
1122 - rail blue
205 001 - Network SouthEast

205 001 (1101) is from the first batch, built 1957. It lost its centre car by 1999.
1121/22 are from the batch numbered 1119-22, built 1958 intended for lines in Kent and East Sussex including the now closed Bexhill West and New Romney branch lines.
They have fewer roof lighting conduits compared with the original 1957 1101-18 batch. All four were reformed as 3-car units in 1979.

Image of 1125 on Mid-Hants Railway http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FdkltfqoY6Q/maxresdefault.jpg
Image of 205 012 (1112) http://www.semgonline.com/gallery/pics/cd205012_1.jpg

New roof tooling would be needed to represent units 1119-22, although I suspect it's cheaper than tooling up for a complete centre car.
Again, if they went for 3-car units from the original 1101-18 batch from the outset they could have had more liveries and a choice of 2 or 3 car units straight away.


Painted samples of these are on Kernow's website, production subject to corrections requested by them

http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/pg/112/Class_205_Thumper_Unit

Incidentally 1121 (green with yellow panel) and 1122 (blue) have incorrect roof lighting conduits for the running numbers carried by the units, as they only appeared on the first 18 units built.

I suspect Kernow's compromised on the roof detailing in order to expedite production of these Thumpers in these much-requested livery choices.

Again, it'll be interesting how quickly this forthcoming production will be sold out, as it took nearly two years for their first batch to sell.
Because of their livery choices this time round, it's probably a better pointer for how quickly a N gauge production batch might sell.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2015, 09:32:49 AM by gc4946 »
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