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Re: Choice of DCC system
« Reply #180 on: April 15, 2018, 04:47:07 PM »
I found the post perfectly understandable and very informative. Thank you for taking the time and effort which is very much appreciated.

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Re: Choice of DCC system
« Reply #181 on: April 15, 2018, 08:02:06 PM »
Over time, we get to 'know' fellow members.

That is so true. Working nights, (I use the term loosely  :)), I can quite often spend an hour or two reading posts. I used to get a bit annoyed about the way people used grammar and their spelling, because it was different to what I was taught. Now I can read a post and think, "That is obviously (name) because of the way the post is phrased or words are spelt". We all have our own little idiosyncrasies and there are probably people who think, "Oh that's dannyboy again". Because of various things that have happened to people in my life over the last couple of years, I am now a great believer in 'never judge a book by its cover'. However, I apologise for being way off topic.  :beers:
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Re: Choice of DCC system
« Reply #182 on: April 16, 2018, 01:06:55 AM »
here is my you tube channel if you fancy a nose at what i do and my layout

Correct link to bmwm4rkym4rk YouTube channel for those interested  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjZtmaX04sqTwUScdHunWrw
thanks lindi forgot i wasnt posting a video lol still learning on here

I also use Digikeijs DCC equipment. It is very good and considerable cheaper than the mainstream suppliers, connects to other systems equipment and it all comes with a 2 year guarantee. There is an authorised American Digikeijs retailer who sells through Amazon (fulfilled by amazon) at prices I've found cheaper than buying directly from Digikeijs

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?marketplaceID=A1F83G8C2ARO7P&me=A29CLTYA8V1MRL&merchant=A29CLTYA8V1MRL

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Re: Choice of DCC system
« Reply #183 on: November 18, 2018, 12:18:01 PM »
Hi Guys,

I have decided to go DCC for my first layout I have read up an awful lot of info alot of which doesnt make too much sense, but have decided to go for the Z21 Pro and just wandered what other peoples opinions were on this system :-)

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Re: Choice of DCC system
« Reply #184 on: November 18, 2018, 01:39:01 PM »
I have a Z21 ( Black) and Iím very pleased with it. Scograil have a very good price for it, and it comes complete with router. ( unlike the Z21 white). The Mobile app Is downloaded from the web, and you are off.

https://www.scograil.co.uk/roco-10820--z21-digital-control-system-2365-p.asp

Also + free decoder

https://www.dccconcepts.com/product/roco-z21-smartphone-friendly-dcc-system/



It supports a sepatrate programming track, and has variable voltage output, so you can reduce it to 12/14v for N gauge locos.

The App allows you to take pics of yours locos, so that makes loco selection easy.

The Z21 Hints page is worth looking at:

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=24531.0

Keep the app s/w up to date , and also the Z21 updates Re done. Ask your supplier to do this before delivery,  so that you are as up to date as possible when you start ( a PC or android tablet are needed to process Z21 downloads later)

The ROCO Z21 pages will tell you when new s/w arrives

http://www.z21.eu/en/Downloads

Gaugemaster have pages:

http://www.z21.co.uk


Best wishes

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Re: Choice of DCC system
« Reply #185 on: November 18, 2018, 08:48:40 PM »
I have a Z21 ( Black) and Iím very pleased with it. Scograil have a very good price for it, and it comes complete with router. ( unlike the Z21 white). The Mobile app Is downloaded from the web, and you are off.

https://www.scograil.co.uk/roco-10820--z21-digital-control-system-2365-p.asp

Also + free decoder

https://www.dccconcepts.com/product/roco-z21-smartphone-friendly-dcc-system/



It supports a sepatrate programming track, and has variable voltage output, so you can reduce it to 12/14v for N gauge locos.

The App allows you to take pics of yours locos, so that makes loco selection easy.

The Z21 Hints page is worth looking at:

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=24531.0

Keep the app s/w up to date , and also the Z21 updates Re done. Ask your supplier to do this before delivery,  so that you are as up to date as possible when you start ( a PC or android tablet are needed to process Z21 downloads later)

The ROCO Z21 pages will tell you when new s/w arrives

http://www.z21.eu/en/Downloads

Gaugemaster have pages:

http://www.z21.co.uk


Best wishes

NickR


Thanks for your feedback @Railwaygun, I think I have made a good choice to go for best that I can afford then, my local dealer has done me a very good price @ nearly £60 saving on DCCConcepts, which will be going towards a decent sound decoder and speaker for my LNER Class 43 :-) and hopefully the kids will get me an ipad or simialr for xmas :-)

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Re: Choice of DCC system
« Reply #186 on: November 19, 2018, 05:53:31 PM »
An iPhone, android phone will do as well!

Also android pad also.
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Re: Choice of DCC system
« Reply #187 on: November 20, 2018, 09:11:25 PM »
Have a look at the Dr5000 before you buy the Z21 all the functions and 1/3 of the price



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Re: Choice of DCC system
« Reply #188 on: November 20, 2018, 10:05:57 PM »
Have a look at the Dr5000 before you buy the Z21 all the functions and 1/3 of the price

And the Z21 app works with it too

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Re: Choice of DCC system
« Reply #189 on: November 21, 2018, 10:47:26 AM »
Is it still the case that Z21 and app do not support all 29 function keys simultaneously?

Last time I use it, one could choose which 26 F keys to have available for use out of the 29 possible with most other systems.

(This is a genuine enquiry, I don't know the current position, but I do know I would want to establish this before making a purchase).

Not much problem with straight DCC but not so good for fully featured sound projects, perhaps?

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Re: Choice of DCC system
« Reply #190 on: December 02, 2019, 08:04:52 AM »
Early days regarding getting something up and running, but I'm in the final stages of planning my new layout and I've started to realize that I'm getting a lot deeper into this than my first foray into the hobby. I started out on DCC with an NCE Powercab to take care of 11 turnouts, four accessories (Dapol semaphore signals) and a few locos.

Things being as they are, my loco/DMU/EMU collection (some with sound) is growing, and the new layout has around 40 turnouts, both semaphore and dual-aspect signals - at least 14 so far and counting, there will doubtless be more.

I was already thinking about upgrading my NCE setup, but now I'm concerned about the limitations I was already finding with it - limited macros, limited storage of known locos, the lack of a visual interface to the loco and accessory functions and so on.

So I'm thinking I'll keep the NCE setup for my little test layout, and go with the Z21 for the new, large layout. I find the iPad/device UI appealing, the knowledge base seems to be getting very extensive, and even though the price point is pretty steep, I'm thinking that I'm not going to run out of capacity any time soon.

I'm quite tech-savvy (I think), so I'm not put off by the fact that I'm responsible for some initial setup configuration and keeping the software up-to-date, but at the same time I don't want to spend hundreds of hours figuring out and troubleshooting the command and control aspect of my new layout.

I think I'm going to have enough to keep me busy with six power districts, goodness knows how many track droppers, power to the point motors, accessory controllers and frog juicers, a DCC main bus split across two baseboard sections and a 12v DC bus for lighting and what-not to boot.

I know there is a lot of personal preference with regard to the selection of DCC control, but from what I've seen of the Z21 - primarily the GUI for controlling locos, accessories and route-setting - it seems to check the boxes of overcoming the limitations I was finding with the NCE system. It's a big investment (although I was expecting to have to invest in expanding my NCE setup) so I'm happy to hear any pro/con comments. The Z21 "get started" videos seem to imply that the initial learning curve is not steep.

Thanks in advance for any feedback!






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Re: Choice of DCC system
« Reply #191 on: December 02, 2019, 08:24:32 AM »
With that much gear you would need the Black Z21



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Re: Choice of DCC system
« Reply #192 on: December 02, 2019, 08:28:41 AM »
With that much gear you would need the Black Z21

Thanks for the confirmation, I saw there was a black/white version and thought that "black" was what I would need.

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Re: Choice of DCC system
« Reply #193 on: December 02, 2019, 01:26:21 PM »
The app allows you to take a foto of the loco and use it as the ID! Simples ( a UK joke I suspect !

I donít use it for points, but d/l the app and have a play - you take Photos of the layout, and add point settings with a finger touch.

A reasonable sized tablet / iPad makes use easier.

Black Z21 will allow a separate programming track and voltage control.

See Z21 threads for comparisons and other hints

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=24531.0

A windows pc is essential for firmware upgrades available from Roco website

https://www.roco.cc/en/product/165427-0-0-0-0-0-0-004001-0/products.html

https://www.z21.eu/en/downloads/software-tools
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Re: Choice of DCC system
« Reply #194 on: December 02, 2019, 02:26:59 PM »
I started with the Black Z21 and love it.
Setup is dead easy, I had my first loco running in less than half an hour, just donít try to connect it to your home Wifi, thatís not necessary, and can cause a whole world of hurt.

One other thing, there are TWO apps. The OLD one allows you to take photos of your layout and put point diagrams on top. The NEW one doesnít allow this but you can draw mimic diagrams for point control. Iíve used both and now prefer the new one. I would have ended up with a lot of photos with points on using the old app.

The old app has a red loco icon and the new one has Z21 on a black background.

Both use photos of locos for you to choose rather than having to remember addresses.

A very good system IMHO.

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