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Re: Hawksworth coaches
« Reply #75 on: October 09, 2018, 07:06:22 PM »
Western Champion was an ebay purchase, no one else bid for it - mind you it is a Graham Farish one

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Alex

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Re: Hawksworth coaches
« Reply #76 on: October 10, 2018, 08:55:07 AM »
My four arrived from Hatton's* last week. Lovely looking coaches, but surprisingly not very free-running. It wasn't just one rogue coach, they were all like that. I had them running round the loft behind a tender-drive Black Five and it struggled a bit to get going, although it was OK once it got some speed up. Maybe they'll ease off once they've been run a few more times. Whereas the GWR-liveried ones ran much more freely right from the start. Anyone else had issues with this?
PW

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One of my Maroon Hawskworth coaches had a tight wheelset; I identified the offending axle, ensured it was seated correctly in the bearings and gave the bogie frame a bit of a squeeze across the axle boxes.  This has resulted in a much more free-rolling coach.

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Re: Hawksworth coaches
« Reply #77 on: October 10, 2018, 07:38:07 PM »
Two photos. of my four Maroon Hawskworth coaches (in the same formation) passing through Cant Cove on a return special working to Trewoon Junction and Pentewan (for Mevagissey) but behind one of my NB Type 2's, D6319.





And close-ups of each one:







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Re: Hawksworth coaches
« Reply #78 on: October 10, 2018, 09:01:07 PM »
Western Champion was an ebay purchase, no one else bid for it - mind you it is a Graham Farish one

Regards,

Alex

Thanks, Alex. I had wondered whether it was a Graham Farish "Western" (the first DCC-fitted loco. I bought was a GF BR Maroon D1023). Yours does look very good. I don't think Dapol has ever made a model of D1015 in this livery?

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Re: Hawksworth coaches
« Reply #79 on: October 10, 2018, 10:12:09 PM »
According to the seller, it is a pro respray Chris, I am not so sure as the Crest at each end is the wrong one, but it looks good enough for the moment. I may get proper crests for it later, but there are plenty other things in my to do list at the moment.

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Alex

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Re: Hawksworth coaches
« Reply #80 on: October 11, 2018, 05:24:26 PM »
According to the seller, it is a pro respray, Chris, I am not so sure as the Crest at each end is the wrong one, but it looks good enough for the moment. I may get proper crests for it later, but there are plenty other things in my to-do list at the moment.

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Alex

Thanks, Alex. It looks very good in the photo. I think 2mm scale BR coaching crests are available as transfers?

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Chris

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Re: Hawksworth coaches
« Reply #81 on: April 26, 2019, 11:50:50 AM »
Can anyone tell me how long the Hawksworth coaches ran in BR maroon before they were withdrawn, please?
I may get a rake alongside my Collett maroon rake.
Indeed, were they ever mixed up?

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Re: Hawksworth coaches
« Reply #82 on: April 26, 2019, 12:11:09 PM »
A few Hawksworths apparently made it into Blue and Grey but most were withdrawn by the mid-60s, sometime after the older Colletts I imagine. Outside crack express formations the WR mixed and matched coaching stock eras freely, but note that Dapol and Farish maroon shades differ slightly and the Dapols do look rather dated next to the much newer Farish models.
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Re: Hawksworth coaches
« Reply #83 on: April 26, 2019, 12:11:41 PM »
A few Hawksworth coaches survived long enough to receive blue/grey livery IIRC. They were mostly withdrawn in the late 60s but a few of the more specialised ones such as Sleepers and full brakes survived into the 70s.

Colletts and Hawksworths were mixed widely. This is especially true when they were in Maroon livery as the Hawksworths had been displaced from frontline service by that point by the arrival of Mk1 coaches. Rakes were made up to fit the operating requirements with little concern about matching vintages.
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: Hawksworth coaches
« Reply #84 on: April 26, 2019, 12:21:50 PM »
Ex-GWR stock lasted into the late 60s and a very few select Hawksworth SKs did get BR Blue and Grey livery, not just the sleepers and BGs (which were BR Blue only, I believe). There is a picture of three Hawksworth SKs in BR Blue and Grey livery in a "Warship" hauled train in 1968/69 in 'Profile of the Warships'.

In Hugh Dady's book 'Heyday of the Warships' (IA), on p. 49, there is a photo of the up 'CRE' on 29 May 1967 with a blue & grey Hawksworth SK as the leading coach behind two Green 'Warships'.

The only photo I know of that shows the three blue/grey Hawksworth coaches (all SKs*) is \\88 Plate 32 in "Profile of the Warships"//. They are in a train entering Exeter St Davids from the West behind D806 "Cambrian". The date given is 17 August 1968. There are photos of individual blue/grey Hawksworths, including colour ones, behind D1000 "Westerns", D800 "Warships" and D600 "Warships". Around 1967, one appears to have been the regular Plymouth-Penzance coach added to the front of the 'Cornish Riviera', and running as the leading vehicle in both directions west of Plymouth.

*W1719W, W2135W and W2283W were the only three Hawksworth SK coaches to survive to carry the 1965 BR Blue and Grey livery. They'd been retained to accommodate catering trolleys on the Cornish leg of the journey of through trains, as they wouldn't fit through Mk1 compartment doors.

Gangway adaptors on British Standard gangways were fitted to many coaches and remained on the vehicle. Most of the Hawksworth stock running in the 1960s probably had them, including those that survived into blue/grey. There was, therefore, no problem in coupling to Mark I stock.

So far as I can establish, the last withdrawals of Hawksworth passenger stock took place in 1968, including the three SKs in blue/grey.

The longest lasting normal service Hawkesworth's were the BGs, many of which ended up in blue and lasted until the late 1970s.

There was also the former BR Western Region Dynamometer Car, DW150192, converted from a Corridor Second (Third) in 1961 and outshopped in WR Chocolate & Cream livery; that ended up in the BR Research Department blue/red livery (Test Coach 4). Test Car 4 was built at Swindon in 1947 as a third class corridor carriage to a design by F W Hawksworth, on lot number 1691, this vehicle originally carried the number W796W.

I wonder if any retailer will order a limited run of BR Blue & Grey Hawksworth SKs? Even better would be DW150192 in WR Chocolate & Cream and BR Research Department blue/red livery (Test Coach 4).

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Re: Hawksworth coaches
« Reply #85 on: April 26, 2019, 12:31:59 PM »
All interesting stuff, especially as I have maroon Hawksworths and maroon Colletts to play with on cross country services from Oxford :hmmm:

They'd been retained to accommodate catering trolleys on the Cornish leg of the journey of through trains, as they wouldn't fit through Mk1 compartment doors.


Damn those broad gauge trolleys :D

 

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