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Trepol Bay ??
« on: May 23, 2014, 08:25:18 AM »
So......Work on the construction of my extension to Port Perran has entered the planning stage with serious work set to commence probably September time.
The name Trepol Bay isn't final yet but I do like it (any comments?).
The idea (as has been muted previously) is to provide a link from my fictitious Port Perran based deep in former GWR territory (near to the area between Hayle and Portreath) with the former LSWR "Withered Arm" at Wadebridge/Padstow.
I will assume that Port Perran connected with the former Chacewater to Perranporth/Newquay branch and that there was also a line from Wadebridge to Newquay (which would have been a joint GW/LSWR line).  This means that trains could run from Padstow/Wadebridge through to Newquay and on to Truro or West Cornwall.
My portion of the line will assume that Trepol Bay was halfway(ish) between Newquay and Wadebridge but on the coast.
I will be running a single line branch from the Eastern edge of my existing Port Perran layout and it will terminate in a fishing port station to be named Trepol Bay.
Trepol Bay will be on a portable baseboard of 4ft by 2ft 6ins and will contain a 2 road station (with runround facilities), a single line small goods yard and an engine servicing siding.
At a lower level (with a slight incline) I intend to have a small port facility with 3 or 4 sidings (and wagon turntable) at sea level and with a harbour alongside. Perhaps a small fish processing factory and several small warehouses.
I will assume that Trepol Bay was a fishing port so will provide fish traffic and other general port traffic for onward transmission to West Cornwall (GW) and up country (LSWR).
I intend to have a mix of former SR/WR locos stock and as for Port Perran the era will be 1959-64 (very loosely).
I'm not one for using track planning software I'm afraid - I prefer to lay track and see what it looks like so no plans to display. Hopefully I will have electric points from the outset.
The single line branch from Port Perran to Trepol bay will include a  branch station with a passing loop. I intend to have a single line girder bridge (perfhaps on a slight curve) on the approach to Trepol Bay station (probably of 15 inch length so pretty substantial scale wise.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2014, 10:22:06 PM by port perran »
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Re: Trepol Bay ??
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2014, 10:38:43 AM »
It sounds very interesting, Martin, and Trepol Bay has that 'ring' to it for that part of the world. As I can run WR and SR stuff on my main layout, I'll be very interested to see what stock you'll be running, especially as the SR is being catered for more lately in RTR. (It could get expensive, though ;))

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Re: Trepol Bay ??
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2014, 12:39:49 PM »
That sounds really cool.
You've got me thinking about module two, when I'm nowhere near finishing the first one!

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Re: Trepol Bay ??
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2014, 06:37:32 PM »
Yep, I like it, Martin. I'm up in the NE at the moment and it reminds me of points SW. :thumbsup:
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Re: Trepol Bay ??
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2014, 08:08:45 PM »
. As I can run WR and SR stuff on my main layout, I'll be very interested to see what stock you'll be running, especially as the SR is being catered for more lately in RTR. (It could get expensive, though ;))
Well, I already have most of the WR locos that I will need - mainly Praries and panniers on the steam side and Class 22 and units on the diesel front.
As for SR , I think the UM T9 will be a must along with the new N Class Mogul (when its released). I may also be tempted by a terrier (even though its not "native to the area").
Possibly a couple of standards too.
As for stock, again I have most of the WR stuff but have hardly any SR stock so far.
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Re: Trepol Bay ??
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2014, 08:59:59 PM »
Oh and by the way................... although again not used on the N Cornwall line, I do like the Q1 !!
And , of course, Rule 1 applies as ever.
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Re: Trepol Bay ??
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2014, 09:16:30 PM »
The Q1 is awesome. So ugly it's great. Saw the one in York last year!
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Re: Trepol Bay ??
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2014, 09:42:50 PM »
I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I really don't consider the Q1 to be ugly, and think there are far more steamers deserving of that adjective (but that's another subject)

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Re: Trepol Bay ??
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2014, 12:06:11 AM »
I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I really don't consider the Q1 to be ugly, and think there are far more steamers deserving of that adjective (but that's another subject)


Crosti 9F by any chance?

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=22329

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Re: Trepol Bay ??
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2014, 06:54:06 AM »
Really looking forward to this, Martin. I think the name is great. I have State Exams., today, and have friends in Prague from Saturday until Wednesday so won't be able to comment in detail until later this week.

If you want to run a Union Mills T9, (I'm also thinking of buying one), then you need to set your period start year back to 1961. Unfortunately, the UM T9 is not suitable for repainting as the preserved 120 which ran on specials in 1962 as the body shape is wrong, I think the splashers? Another possibility is a SR 700 'Black Motor'; I think UM do one? (See below.) Glad to see that, like me, you're going to buy an (expensive) N, too. BR Standard 2-6-4Ts can be picked up for reasonable prices on eBay (I have 3) but BR Standard 2-6-2Ts (I have one in BR WR Lined Green, correct for North Cornwall) and the Ivatt 2-6-2Ts (I have two, one push-pull fitted; again, correct for North Cornwall) -- which the BR Standard 2-6-4Ts replaced -- are pretty expensive even secondhand. SR diesels would include your Class 04 and a Class 33 but they did not, in reality reach North Cornwall, (well the Class 03s did not; Class 33s as they became did run on the North Cornwall Railway via Okehampton). The SR had Class 04s at Plymouth before the WR took over the ex-SR lines. BR SR Green Mark 1 coaches are easy to buy on eBay and some of the Bulleid coaches available are suitable for North Cornwall (the CK, SK, and BSK) but some are not.

Exmouth Junction Drummond 700 (Black Motors)
 
30315 11/54 - 3/58
30317 3/58 - 8/61
30327 2/59 - 5/61
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30689 9/61 - 11/62
30691 11/54 - 8/61 (allegedly hauled the 3.13 Perishables from Padstow in October 1960)
30697 9/61 - 11/62
30700 9/61 - 11/62
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Re: Trepol Bay ??
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2014, 11:44:38 AM »
I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I really don't consider the Q1 to be ugly, and think there are far more steamers deserving of that adjective (but that's another subject)


Crosti 9F by any chance?

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=22329

Hey I like Crosti 9Fs.... I have a Minitrix 9F that was converted for me. I'm thinking more like American steamers - but as NPN says, that's another subject! Definitely stick with your layout name!  :thumbsup:
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Re: Trepol Bay ??
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2014, 05:32:08 PM »
RE: Q1s and Crosti-boilered 9Fs, as my mother told us: If you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all.

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Re: Trepol Bay ??
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2014, 05:44:38 PM »
The proposed LSWR extension to Truro, (planned to be built in the 1890s*), would have headed SW from either Padstow or Wadebridge. (*By 1897, the GWR and the LSWR had made a private pact not to compete directly in Cornwall.) In 1893, the North Cornwall Railway proposed a line from near Padstow to Newquay and on to Truro to compete with the GWR. It would not have been LSWR-GWR joint but the GWR may, possibly, have been granted running powers if the line had been built as the line would have connected with the GWR outside Newquay and, presumably, also, at Truro.

Of course, after 1948, the WR would almost certainly have had running powers over the line and the WR took over in the 1950s and, again, in the 1960s, the ex-SR lines in Devon and Cornwall.
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Re: Trepol Bay ??
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2014, 03:58:43 PM »
Graham Farish Bulleid Light Pacifics are available at good prices on eBay (I had mine checked and serviced by Bob of BRLines) and the later, five-pole motor and Bachmann ones can be converted to DCC (by Douglas at Wickness). I plan to super-detail, renumber and rename at least some of my 6.

Then, how about a portion of the "ACE" running through to Trepol Bay, maybe only a BR Standard SR Green BCK or two BCKs off the "Atlantic Coast Express" running via Wadebridge added to a local from Wadebridge to Trepol Bay? Or Padstow? Rather, Penmayne! 8-) I'm going to presume a link with your line and Cant Cove and Penmayne (which are on an earlier fictional line from Wadebridge but NORTH of the River Camel). Shunting off a BCK  (or two at peak weekends) at Wadebridge though would be more likely, I think.
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Re: Trepol Bay ??
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2014, 10:45:08 PM »
Suitable RTR motive power (all used in North Cornwall) could include the following:

WR 45XXs: 4526, 4565, 4569; WR 4575s: 5521.
SR (ex-GWR) 57XXs: 3679, 4666, 4694 (allocated to Wadebridge)
SR (LMSR design) Ivatt 2-6-2Ts: 41230, 41270, 41272, 41275, 41284, 41295, 41308, 41320
SR T9s: 30120 (Withdrawn: 03/1962), 30313 (07/1961), 30338 (04/61), 30702 (10/59), 30704 (10/51), 30708 (12/57), 30709 (07/61), 30710 (03/59), 30711 (08/59), 30712 (11/58), 30715 (07/1961), 30717 (07/61), 30718 (03/61), 30719 (03/61), 30726 (08/59), 30729 (03/61). I am interested in having a model of one of the T9s that lasted to 1961 but I don't know which numbers are suitable for the Union Models variant.
Exmouth Junction Drummond 700 ('Black Motors'): 30315 11/54 - 3/58, 30317 3/58 - 8/61, 30327 2/59 - 5/61; 30689 9/61 - 11/62, 30691 11/54 - 8/61 (allegedly hauled the 3.13 Perishables from Padstow in October 1960), 30697 9/61 - 11/62, 30700 9/61 - 11/62. I am interested in having a model of one of the 700s that lasted to 1961 but I don't know which numbers are suitable for the Union Models one.
SR Bulleid Light Pacifics: 34004, 34007, 34008, 34014, 34015, 34021, 34023,  34030, 34031, 34032, 34033, 34034, 34036, 34038, 34058, 34060, 34061, 34062, 34065, 34066, 34069, 34070, 34072, 34074, 34076, 34078, 34079, 34080, 34081, 34083, 34084, 34085, 34096, 34107, 34110.
BR Standard 4-6-0s: 75005, 75008, 75022, 75025
BR Standard 2-6-4Ts: 80035, 80036, 80037, 80038, 80039, 80041, 80042, 80043, 80059, 80060, 80061, 80062, 80063, 80064, 80067
BR Standard 2-6-2Ts: 82030, 82042
BR Class 22: D6311, D6342, D6348 -- have this no. (renumbered)
BR Class 122 "Bubble Car" W55001, W55014. Mine is (re)numbered: W55017.
BR Class 121 "Bubble Car" W55026.

 

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