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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #990 on: November 27, 2014, 09:58:57 PM »
Thanks, Jon. I want to make it 1960s style!

That sounds great Chris

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #991 on: November 27, 2014, 10:06:21 PM »
Thanks, Jon. I want to make it 1960s style!

That sounds great Chris
Good stuff and pounds, shillings and pence of course .
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #992 on: November 27, 2014, 10:20:17 PM »
Of course, pounds, shillings and pence! 8-) I had not thought of specific prices; it would be a general announcement poster to advertise the program across the BR network but, once I have an approved template I could, of course produce local ones for Cant Cove, Penmayne, Trepol Bay and Weaver Cove for local train programs and include prices? However, I would welcome realistic prices for all-day Runabout tickets, singles, returns (adult, child; first and second class). Hmm, Lord Charles' retriever would need a dog ticket, too?

BTW, the latest rumour concerns a through ER/LMR special, with the last set of BR livery Stanier design carriages (it lasted until the end of 1964 and did, in fact, visit the SR) hauled by one of the last 'Jubilees', "Alberta", right through to Wadebridge!

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #993 on: November 28, 2014, 02:22:25 PM »
Further fuelling ticket sales on the WR, SR, and now joint ER/LMR, specials to Wadebridge as well as ticket sales in Cornwall is the latest rumour that a Drummond 700 ('Black Motor') has just undergone a full overhaul and repaint at Eastleigh works and is expected to make its way to North Cornwall over the next day or so to take up duties there. Enthusiasts are debating whether it will turn out to be a survivor of Exmouth Junction's 1960's 'Black Motors': 30317 3/58 - 8/61, 30327 2/59 - 5/61; 30689 9/61 - 11/62, 30691 11/54 - 8/61 (allegedly hauled the 3.13 Perishables from Padstow in October 1960), 30697 9/61 - 11/62, 30700 9/61 - 11/62, or another which was put aside at Eastleigh Works a couple of years ago?

'Jubilee' class No. 45562 "Alberta" (the last of the class to be withdrawn, in October 1967, after working for about 32 years), of 55A Leeds (Holbeck) has just been confirmed as being booked for the joint ER/LMR special hauling the last full rake of BR Maroon Stanier-designed stock starting from Leeds and running through to Wadebridge.
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #994 on: November 28, 2014, 02:58:35 PM »
Further fuelling ticket sales on the WR, SR, and now joint ER/LMR, specials to Wadebridge as well as ticket sales in Cornwall is the latest rumour that a Drummond 700 ('Black Motor') has just undergone a full overhaul and repaint at Eastleigh works and is expected to make its way to North Cornwall over the next day or so to take up duties there. Enthusiasts are debating whether it will turn out to be a survivor of Exmouth Junction's 1960's 'Black Motors': 30317 3/58 - 8/61, 30327 2/59 - 5/61; 30689 9/61 - 11/62, 30691 11/54 - 8/61 (allegedly hauled the 3.13 Perishables from Padstow in October 1960), 30697 9/61 - 11/62, 30700 9/61 - 11/62, or another which was put aside at Eastleigh Works a couple of years ago?

'Jubilee' class No. 45562 "Alberta" (the last of the class to be withdrawn, in October 1967, after working for about 32 years), of 55A Leeds (Holbeck) has just been confirmed as being booked for the joint er/LMR special hauling the last full rake of BR Maroon Stanier-designed stock starting from Leeds and running through to Wadebridge.
Enthusiasts will have to play a waiting game to discover the identity and livery of the Black Motor !!
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #995 on: November 28, 2014, 03:29:44 PM »
Plenty for the enthusiasts to discuss over their pints of Castle or Headland ale then, Martin. 8-)

The latest gossip centres around whether the line from Bodmin Road to Wadebridge and on to Newquay and Truro, just very expensively upgraded by the WR to take up to and including D10XX "Westerns", is cleared for "Jubilees"? Enthusiasts are getting their reference books out to check! Rumour has it that the "Jubilee" will have to come off the train at Bodmin Road. However, a "Jubilee" working that far beyond Bristol (apart from Weston-super-Mare, usually Locking Road, with summer holiday traffic), their normal limit, is still cause for great excitement (Leeds Holbeck "Jubilees" were regular visitors to Bristol during 1962-63 and 45562 was reported at Bath Green Park, 04/08/62, Sat.). Definitely, a Western pilotman, who had signed for the route, would be required beyond Bristol.

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #996 on: November 28, 2014, 03:51:53 PM »
I spent many an hour at Bristol TM around 1962-65 and saw quite a few Jubilees from Leeds (and other places) plus the resident Barrow Road ones.
Had a few trips round Barrow Rd just after Bath Rd shed closed whist it was turned into a diesel depot. At that time Barrow Rd was absolutely crammed with ex GW and LM engines. Great days.
A jubilee getting as far as Bodmin would not of course have happened except for Special Trains so no doubt great excitement is mounting in the area.
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #997 on: November 28, 2014, 04:19:04 PM »
Lucky you, Martin. According to "The Western Since 1948" (highly recommended) by G. Freeman Allen, page 55, "there was the unique occasion on 15 September 1962 when No. 45560 "Prince Edward Island" was appropriated to head the afternoon Plymouth - Bristol [I think this should be reversed] parcels as far as Exeter". Later (22nd September 1964), it was reported to have been used on banking duties at Weymouth! (And was not the only "Jubilee" to have reached Weymouth! (http://www.southernregion.net/strangers.html)

So, there is a precedent for a "Jubilee" on the WR mainline to the SW!
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #998 on: November 30, 2014, 09:37:44 AM »
I actually lived only 5 miles from Westbury when I was a young lad so saw a great variety of locos in the period 62-68.
Westbury was a proper main line station of course and saw all types of GW locos plus some SR & MR visitors. Even on the odd occasion we had B1s and even a V2 (those two worked on through from Swindon I believe).
Westbury was also a stopping off point for withdrawn locos sadly.
We also saw all the WR hydraulics and the early class 47s (often ex works).
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #999 on: November 30, 2014, 10:12:15 AM »
Again, lucky you, Martin. I remember going around Westbury stabling point in the 1970s when there were still "Westerns" left. The smell of diesel . . . According to "The Western Since 1948" (highly recommended) by G. Freeman Allen, page 50, "Class B1 4-6-0s were a new ingredient of Birmingham - Bristol line power, especially on the 12.48 from York, which introduced a Class V2 2-6-2, N. 60954 of York, to Bristol Temple Meads for the first time on 16 November 1959. The V2 should never have slipped through, for when another York 2-6-2 slipped into Bristol from Birmingham in late January 1963, someone suddenly realised that it had infringed the route's clearance restrictions and No. 60945 was sent home via Didcot on a night freight to Woodford Halse, on the GC line. In following years Class K1 and K3 2-6-0s and Class O1 and O4 2-8-0s augmented the ex-LNER representatives in the Bristol area."

Bulleid Pacifics worked into Bristol via Salisbury (and into Bath, of course, from Bournemouth over the S&D).

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #1000 on: November 30, 2014, 10:01:11 PM »
Route Availability by Diesel Locomotive Class

1   Shunters: 01, 03, 04*, 11104, 15097
2   Shunters: 02, 04*, 05
4   15, 16, 17, 22, 10800   
5   20, 23, 25, 27, 29, 31*, 37*, 43, 55; Shunters: 06, 08*, 09, 10, 11, 12
6   24, 26, 31*, 33, 35, 40, 42, 47*, 48, 50, 53, 73; Shunters: 07, 08*
7   44, 45, 46, 47*, 52

* Depending on sub-class.

In real life the North Cornwall Line must have only been RA4 Wadebridge to Padstow but, as the WR upgraded the Bude line and "Hymeks" were used on passenger trains to Bude, at least part must have been upgraded to RA6. Furthermore as "Warships" (Class 42) worked Exeter - Okehampton - Plymouth that must have been RA6. SR class 33s and WR Class 47s also worked that route, too. However, even on the most generous assumption of SUBSTANTIAL investment by WR in new track and strengthened bridges, 'Peaks' and 'Westerns' would, I'm afraid, still have been barred. So, I'm going to assume that Bodmin Road - Wadebridge (- Cant Cove) - Penmayne WAS upgraded to RA6 so, I can run my "Warships" and D1662 on particularly heavy trains but at reduced speed compared with the WR mainline. Normally, my "Hymeks" will be the highest RA diesel locos. used.

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #1001 on: November 30, 2014, 10:07:27 PM »
Now, I need to discover what RA the SR Bulleid Class D16/2 (10201 to 10203) and Class D16/1 (10000 and 10001) LMSR mainline diesels (used from Waterloo - Exeter on the "Atlantic Coast Express"; well, at least the Bulleids were, probably the LMSR ones also as they were all allocated to the SR in the early 1950s for a while) were.

Bulleid Class D16/2: RA6; Class D16/1: ?
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #1002 on: November 30, 2014, 10:51:44 PM »
Now, I need to discover what RA the SR Bulleid Class D16/2 (10201 to 10203) and Class D16/1 (10000 and 10001) LMSR mainline diesels
Given both types were ~130 tons on either 6 or 8 axles, I'd assume their RA, if they ever had them, would be comparable or worse than the 'Peaks' and Class 40s they were so similar to in many ways.

It's worth recalling that these lumbering monsters filled operating departments with a certain degree of dread. So the story goes, this was especially acute for the Western Region that had no hope of rapid electrification, hence their interest in lightweight diesel-hydraulics.

The Class 22 diesel hydraulic was the only diesel locomotive viable on the lightly laid Devon and Cornwall branch lines. The 'Hymek' was never a branchline engine. So the Class 22 was meant to do the sorts of jobs that light steam locomotives like the ubiquitous Prairie tanks had done. It's pretty much the same situation today, I believe, with the Class 37s, which are able to run along lines that the 66s can't, hence the need to keep at least a few 37s about, whereas most of their contemporaries, such as the 47s, are now all but gone.

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #1003 on: December 01, 2014, 10:16:29 PM »
Thanks, NeMo.

The SR Bulleid Class D16/2 (10201 to 10203) were RA6 so, indeed, the same as Class 40, and I suspect that the Class D16/1 (10000 and 10001) LMSR mainline diesels were also.

The North Cornwall Railway was never a branchline unless the last few years under BR WR with just DMUs and single railcars are counted. It was a mainline / secondary line. So, if modelling a WR line, and you want to justify anything bigger than a D63XX Class 22, then it has to be a line like Newquay or Kingswear that was able to carry much heavier locos. I imagine that Penmayne was developed to rival Newquay and so the line was upgraded to take "Hymeks" and, with some restrictions, also "Warships" but nothing heavier.

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #1004 on: December 02, 2014, 02:10:47 PM »
As soon as I have some free time I will try to compile a RA table for the steam loco. classes that ran in (North) Cornwall.

 

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