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Re: How easy is it to build an LMS Garratt
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2019, 09:04:36 PM »
Hi Alan

Many thanks for this helpful guidance. In the next few days, once my second power unit has arrived, I will tackle this reversal.

What I bought is as in the photo attached. The piece in the kit you mention, designed to clamp to the whitemetal footplate of the kit, is missing. Could you possibly describe what it looks like, then I can try to make something equivalent.

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Re: How easy is it to build an LMS Garratt
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2019, 11:12:13 PM »
The following photo should help, as should the attached pdf.



I don't think that posting the pdf breaches any copyright, as it is only of use to someone with a kit and that would have come with a set.

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Re: How easy is it to build an LMS Garratt
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2019, 11:29:26 PM »
Hi Alan
What I bought is as in the photo attached. The piece in the kit you mention, designed to clamp to the whitemetal footplate of the kit, is missing. Could you possibly describe what it looks like, then I can try to make something equivalent.

Steve has covered this with his pics. Essentially the retaining piece (only holds the cylinder block) is a simple L shaped lump of whitemetal with a screwhole for an 8BA bolt. The chassis itself is secured with a long 8BA at the other end - this bolt also is the part that the smokebox of the central boiler section interfaces with and pivots about.

It should be reasonably easy to replace all these parts.

Cheers,
Alan
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Re: How easy is it to build an LMS Garratt
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2019, 02:22:13 PM »
Many thanks to Alan and Steve W for the explanations, photo and the instructions. I will tackle this job in the next few days.

David [aka Loft]

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Re: How easy is it to build an LMS Garratt
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2020, 02:26:18 PM »
What loco is the donor for the front & rear bogies with the couplers ?

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Re: How easy is it to build an LMS Garratt
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2020, 06:18:00 PM »
What loco is the donor for the front & rear bogies with the couplers ?

The kit nominally comes with replacement bogies, to which you just need add wheels (Farish larger pony truck wheels are the best).

I have used other modified Farish bogies on these in the past to have a proper coupler rather than a fixed one that's part of the casting. This is an easy change in the future though, if you find the supplied parts would benefit an upgrade in your use case.

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Alan
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Re: How easy is it to build an LMS Garratt
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2020, 11:46:00 AM »
Hi Chuffington: I successfully finished this kit before Christmas  :). I sometimes think of whoever did all the work on it, before it ended up on the Anoraks stall at the N Gauge Show. I had to fit a Farish bogie at one end (which I managed to extend) but the other end bogie (quite long) has the fixed coupling you describe. Possibly you could say which item would fit? Currently, aiming to keep cheerful, I am trying to run power links between the two motor units. It is quite fiddly, especially incorporating a mini-plug. I am using "Nasa" wire.

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Re: How easy is it to build an LMS Garratt
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2020, 06:43:07 PM »



Picked the whitemetal kit up on fleabay recently, this is the first white metal kit I have ever done, quite pleased with the way it has turned out so far. Ordered up some numbers & totems from Fox today. Big thanks to Dr Al who supplied me with the 2 black 5 chassis. Front & rear bogies are from an early GF Prairie which I extended using the Black 5 tender drawbars and a drop of superglue as I didn't like the kit supplied bogies.

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Re: How easy is it to build an LMS Garratt
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2020, 09:12:28 PM »
Hi Chuffington
Best wishes for finishing the kit.

The main glitch I have with my model is that the coupling rods on one of the power units sometimes locks up, and has to be released. I have had this problem with another Poole chassis. Would you know of any cure?

All the best
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Re: How easy is it to build an LMS Garratt
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2020, 09:20:13 PM »
The main glitch I have with my model is that the coupling rods on one of the power units sometimes locks up, and has to be released. I have had this problem with another Poole chassis. Would you know of any cure?

This is not inherent in the Poole chassis, so something is bent, misaligned etc.

If you can supply photo, (even better with the chassis locked up) then folks may be able to advise with more targetted advice.

Cheers,
Alan
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Re: How easy is it to build an LMS Garratt
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2020, 09:39:38 PM »
Where    most    people     that    build     these   go   wrong    is   that   they    use    a    3 pole    motor   and   a    5   pole   motor,   its    better   to    use    both    of   the   same    poles    and   speed    match     to    within    a   small   tollerence    in    speed,   if   this   is   not   possible   use   the    faster   one    to    drag   the    slower,   sorry   about   the   speling   but   I   hated   skool   

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Re: How easy is it to build an LMS Garratt
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2020, 09:59:18 AM »
Where    most    people     that    build     these   go   wrong    is   that   they    use    a    3 pole    motor   and   a    5   pole   motor,   its    better   to    use    both    of   the   same    poles    and   speed    match     to    within    a   small   tollerence    in    speed,   if   this   is   not   possible   use   the    faster   one    to    drag   the    slower,   sorry   about   the   speling   but   I   hated   skool   

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Re: How easy is it to build an LMS Garratt
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2020, 11:39:04 AM »
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Re: How easy is it to build an LMS Garratt
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2020, 12:37:42 PM »
We are a catholic church! I was only trying to help!

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