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Author Topic: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane  (Read 68429 times)

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Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2013, 08:39:49 PM »
Oooooooh.
Now I deffo want one of these for my depot layout.
Look forward to the updates. Qnd better start saving up
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Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2013, 11:44:52 PM »
Pre-war steam fans say :(

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Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2013, 12:04:32 AM »
The following link might be useful (drawings of the steam variant) if you don't already have them:
http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/BRWRCranesSHFeb1972Issue.pdf

There is also an un-dimensioned drawing in the RAIB report into the Greenford derailment of 96702.

The RAIB report also confirms that these cranes were running to at least 2006.

Cheers, Mike



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Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2013, 12:06:46 AM »



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Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2013, 04:16:10 AM »
Oh yes please. Put me down for one of these.......

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Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2013, 09:22:07 AM »
Cheers, Mike

Many thanks Mike, that's great.

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Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2013, 01:39:20 PM »
Hi Guys,

To assist David in getting the details right - is there a definitive/simple way to spot the diesel conversion compared to the steam powered version?

We could provide both the diesel and steam options in the model, but only on a general superficial level. For example, like the tank on the Match Truck I can provide the chimney as an add on and some grills might be options on the etch. To get it right though would need pictures of the steam and diesel versions for comparison of the changes. I assume all the later pictures of yellow cranes are diesel, while the odd maroon crane might be an older steam picture. Difficult to tell unless you know the beast as some maybe preserved in their original colours. You know me, the more info I have the better the results.

Can you help?

Regards
Russ
Repairs - not everything has to be sent away - you can fix most thing's yourself. Ask and help will be provided.

Waiting for the RTR version? - why not try a kit?

My layout, Bridgebury Gate now has its own website...
www.bridgeburygate.com

and the 3DR shop where you'll also find the NGF MPV, assorted cabs etc...
http://www.shapeways.com/shops/3dr_designs_for_n_gauge

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Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2013, 02:27:45 PM »
The obvious answer is that the steam originals had a chimney which folded behind the cab which was removed after conversion to diesel. Not sure what other changes were made.

If it helps when the NGS looked at the feasibility of doing it the split of demand for diesel/steam was about 50:50.

Cheers, Mike



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Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2013, 11:33:21 PM »
Hello,
The crane is certainly looking impressive!
I have uploaded these photos of the Cowans crane at Loughborough MPD (The one shown in the OP), one side of the crane is pretty accessible at the back of the sheds. So if details or dimensions are needed that may be a good port of call.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wild_boar_fell_railways/sets/72157638806326736/
Best Regards,
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Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2013, 09:58:23 AM »
Very clear pictures Matthew, thank you for sharing them. :camera:

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Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2013, 08:48:03 AM »
Hi Guys

Matthew - Excellent photos thank you! that's probably sufficient for the diesel version.

All we need now is...
"to dig up some steam powered pictures. Any will help if they want one for an earlier era". particularly of the area of difference to the diesel version.

Regards
Russ

Repairs - not everything has to be sent away - you can fix most thing's yourself. Ask and help will be provided.

Waiting for the RTR version? - why not try a kit?

My layout, Bridgebury Gate now has its own website...
www.bridgeburygate.com

and the 3DR shop where you'll also find the NGF MPV, assorted cabs etc...
http://www.shapeways.com/shops/3dr_designs_for_n_gauge

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Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2013, 09:29:10 AM »
There might be a useful steam era general assembly diagram here, in this guys mecano build
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1nj0RTP5ZsE5euAsIT95yY6FnXiQf9i99LydAS4Z35pw/edit?pli=1#slide=id.p17

And from the BDCA orgs galleries:
A couple of steam powered era photos of  ADRC96701 and ADRC96703. Alas neither pic is in the working config.

For the dieseled version
There's a good diagram in the misc section, of the general assembly of conversion, think its the same as BRB books.

And for the rivet counters check out ADRC96709's gallery for Dent, you get a good view of the underside of it. oops


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Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2013, 04:36:40 PM »
Hello,
Not sure if you know about it already, but Peter Tatlow's superb second book on breakdown cranes covers both pre and post conversion 75/76t cranes as well as the original diesel builds, with drawings (To 4mm scale) of all of those variants with a fair few photos of each, including a view looking at the crab with the roof raised.
Might be worth tracking down a copy, I certainly found it useful.
Regards,
Matthew

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Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2013, 07:19:34 PM »
Hello,
Not sure if you know about it already, but Peter Tatlow's superb second book on breakdown cranes covers both pre and post conversion 75/76t cranes as well as the original diesel builds, with drawings (To 4mm scale) of all of those variants with a fair few photos of each, including a view looking at the crab with the roof raised.
Might be worth tracking down a copy, I certainly found it useful.
Regards,
Matthew

If I'm not mistaken, some of the resources I proved for this project were by Peter Tatlow whose work is really good. I can wait to see the whole thing nod would love to know what the final price will be.

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Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2013, 09:08:19 AM »
Found this picture of C&S cranes on the job in 1974.
http://www.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/1970off-the-rails1_WEB.jpg there are a few more on geograph.
This derailment is in my home town and I was taken to watch them but it back on the tracks, it was very exciting watching all the action as a 6 year old
This scene is the whole reason why I've wanted a pair of these cranes  in N for ages.
The main reason I've posted it as its the first colour photo I've seen where the chimney is just visible in the working position.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2013, 09:10:43 AM by AndyGif »

 

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