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Author Topic: Dapol - Class 43 / HST  (Read 64167 times)

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Re: Dapol - Class 43 / HST
« Reply #210 on: May 18, 2018, 12:24:46 PM »
Following the screening of Channel 5's programme about the HST125 I decided I should have an example of this iconic train and so, with the great advice of form members, spent many, many pounds (you can tell as I'm now reduced to eating cat food) on the bookset 2F-019-005 along with a TS 2F-005-038, 2 x TS 2F-005-37 and a TF 2F-005-024.....


A light oiling later (as advised in the instructions) and the set was running. Very smooth and quiet with the powered car hauling but somewhat noisy when propelling. However, this was after just 10 minutes and I hope it'll settle down with running in. It's certainly a lovely model and, looks wise, matches up well against the prototype.....
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jqsrpa7oz0326qh/HST%20125%20%281%29.MOV?dl=0

However, and I don't know whether this is prototypical or a manufacturing goof, the rooves on the bookset are a very dark grey whereas the extra coaches have a much paler grey. Any comments from the cognoscenti please?.........





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Re: Dapol - Class 43 / HST
« Reply #211 on: May 18, 2018, 01:19:29 PM »
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the rooves on the bookset are a very dark grey whereas the extra coaches have a much paler grey. Any comments from the cognoscenti please?.........

You appear to have put your finger on an ongoing debate, Dapol have “goofed” numerous times on HST colours, not just roofs.

In reality weathering would make coach roofs unique, but probably with such a difference between adjacent vehicles.

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Re: Dapol - Class 43 / HST
« Reply #212 on: May 18, 2018, 01:52:13 PM »
Guess I'll just use my gas operated (not by me!) viewing stool at a lower level so I can't see them, then

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Re: Dapol - Class 43 / HST
« Reply #213 on: May 18, 2018, 02:43:16 PM »
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the rooves on the bookset are a very dark grey whereas the extra coaches have a much paler grey. Any comments from the cognoscenti please?.........

You appear to have put your finger on an ongoing debate, Dapol have “goofed” numerous times on HST colours, not just roofs.

In reality weathering would make coach roofs unique, but probably with such a difference between adjacent vehicles.

Skyline2uk

Have they done it again with the most recent batch? Would have thought they'd have got that sorted now, given how many runs have been done in all the BR-era liveries.

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Re: Dapol - Class 43 / HST
« Reply #214 on: May 18, 2018, 04:14:00 PM »
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 There are some roof inaccuracies - which I don't mind - and they wouldn't be Dapol models if there weren't some livery faults.
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Though having said that, as @Lindi highlights, there's a prototype for everything.
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Re: Dapol - Class 43 / HST
« Reply #215 on: May 18, 2018, 10:55:16 PM »
Guess I'll just use my gas operated (not by me!) viewing stool at a lower level so I can't see them, then

Ongoing problem that Dapol had right from the start on these - even the first runs.

I ended up popping the roofs that were light grey and respraying them Humbrol satin black 85 which is a good match for those that are black.

Looks a lot better.

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Re: Dapol - Class 43 / HST
« Reply #216 on: May 18, 2018, 11:19:33 PM »
FGW coaches, should have blue roofs. Dapol decided black was better! ???
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Re: Dapol - Class 43 / HST
« Reply #217 on: May 18, 2018, 11:53:40 PM »
FGW coaches, should have blue roofs. Dapol decided black was better! ???


They look grey in this photo.




 :worried:

I think these first two are very dirty:

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/620016/

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/606515/


I don't have any doubt these are blue:

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/606429/

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/606603/

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/606593/


And to prove there's a prototype for everything, this buffet looks black:

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/606431/

 :D
« Last Edit: May 18, 2018, 11:55:45 PM by RailGooner »
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Re: Dapol - Class 43 / HST
« Reply #218 on: May 19, 2018, 07:48:54 AM »
Yep, all FGW coaches have blue roofs. I’m actually happy Dapol got it wrong - they all end up filthy quite quickly and there’s a very clear delineation where the wash plants don’t reach, so it does look like they’ve got black roofs.

More annoying for me is the first class stripe, on the TF they extended it all the way to the cantrail stripe, whilst on the buffets they (correctly) left if half height with a clear band of blue between the two. I ended up adding yellow stripes to TSs rather than using TFs.

Then there’s the fact only the TGS and the buffet have the APT labels, even on the later runs. Crazy.

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Re: Dapol - Class 43 / HST
« Reply #219 on: May 19, 2018, 10:48:19 AM »

Then there’s the fact only the TGS and the buffet have the APT labels, even on the later runs. Crazy.

Now you've blown the only brain cell I had left working. Isn't the APT a completely different worm? :confused2:


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Re: Dapol - Class 43 / HST
« Reply #220 on: May 19, 2018, 12:03:26 PM »
Haha! I meant ATP (automatic train protection), my phone autocorrected it!

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Re: Dapol - Class 43 / HST
« Reply #221 on: March 13, 2020, 01:27:57 PM »
For anyone interested, Rails have made available for pre-order the following packs :

2D-019-010 CLASS 43 HST INTERCITY 125 BLUE/GREY (W43015 / W43190) 4 CAR HST BOOK SET
2D-019-011 CLASS 43 HST FGW `FAG PACKET' (43005/43009) 4 CAR HST BOOK SET
2D-019-012 CLASS 43 HST EMR EX LNER EX VEC (43251/43295) 4 CAR HST BOOK SET
2D-019-203 CLASS 43 LNER HST TWIN PACK - 43238 "NRM 40" 40TH ANNIVERSARY LNER POWER CAR & 43302 “WORLD SPEED RECORD - HST" LNER TRAILER CAR
2D-019-201 CLASS 43 HST INTERCITY EXECUTIVE TWIN PACK (W43131 & W43128)
2D-019-202 CLASS 43 HST INTERCITY SWALLOW TWIN PACK (W43041 & W43166)

https://railsofsheffield.com/groups/3016/new-n-gauge-hst-packs

Finally getting my hands on a BR Blue/Grey set  :heart2:

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Re: Dapol - Class 43 / HST
« Reply #222 on: March 13, 2020, 04:56:57 PM »
I hope that Dapol aren't thinking they can use the same coaches for the LNER and EMR sets! From passing Neville Hill on the train regularly, it's clear that EMR are intending to put their own branding on the coaches as well as on the power cars (Neither Virgin nor LNER did this). The sets are now well overdue and none have entered service, but the one which appears to be furthest in its preparation already has the branding applied.

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Re: Dapol - Class 43 / HST
« Reply #223 on: Yesterday at 05:47:21 PM »
I recently managed to pick up a set second hand. I was shocked by the discrepancy in MK3 and power car roof height/profile. I genuinely don't know how it was signed off by Dapol. Looking at it, it would seem the fault lays with the MK3 roof being too shallow. Anyone out there handy with some 3D CAD skills? I'd certainly buy 3d printed examples to rectify this.

It's a shame because they are otherwise generally a really nice looking model*

*the GNER power car numbers are not in the correct typeface. I can ignore this as they are so small but as a designer, I will forever know about it.  :D

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Re: Dapol - Class 43 / HST
« Reply #224 on: Yesterday at 06:45:06 PM »
I think the power cars ride too high, rather than it solely being the coaches. I’d wondered about doing a NMT roof, which could easily extend to the standard roofs. Not done it yet though!

Why not change the numbers to have the correct font?

 

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