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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #510 on: July 15, 2015, 10:24:42 PM »
Gasworks looks very good, Paddy, but the gas holder needs an awful lot of rusting up. :hmmm:
If you do a nice job I'll send you mine to do as well, if you please :D ;)

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #511 on: July 16, 2015, 08:47:27 AM »
Hi Chris,

The set was £90 and I also wanted the three Iron Ore hoppers which meant the loco and wagons ended up costing less than £70.  Lovely jubly!  :D

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #512 on: July 16, 2015, 08:51:44 AM »
Gasworks looks very good, Paddy, but the gas holder needs an awful lot of rusting up. :hmmm:
If you do a nice job I'll send you mine to do as well, if you please :D ;)

Hi Newportnobby,

I know what you mean plus the gas holder is far too small compared to a real one.  As for rusting I find it very difficult to change these Lyddle End buildings given what they sell for these days.  I glue them down lightly with PVA and live with them.

May be one day I will be more brave!  :(

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #513 on: July 16, 2015, 09:16:55 AM »
I think the gas holder looks fine, Paddy. Judging by the neatness of the yard, I'm sure the gas works' manager would ensure that the holder was regularly repainted to keep rust at bay. You might try a wash of water colour black paint over it (from a cheap children's paint set) as that can be easily washed off if you ever needed to sell the gas holder?

Having just bought / paid to have DCC-fitted more motive power (so my brother can bring them all over, I hope) I will have to resist buying the Steelworker set, I'm afraid but you definitely got a bargain there, Paddy. Well done.

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #514 on: July 16, 2015, 09:24:42 AM »
Thanks Chris, I knew you would come up with a suitable excuse!  ;)

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #515 on: July 16, 2015, 09:36:27 AM »
I agree. That white needs dulling down as it currently attracts the eye to it too readily. As Chris suggests a wash of black or perhaps black/brown mix would od the job.

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #516 on: July 16, 2015, 12:54:33 PM »
You lot are so hard to please...  :D

Prototype for everything excuse coming up:

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1176792

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #517 on: July 16, 2015, 02:32:14 PM »
OK Paddy - it's a fair cop :thumbsup:

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #518 on: July 16, 2015, 06:43:15 PM »
You lot are so hard to please...  :D

Prototype for everything excuse coming up:

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1176792

Kind regards

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Good one !  :thumbsup:
If it shines in the "Dull Winter Light" it must be positively sparkling in the bright Summer sunshine.
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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #519 on: January 24, 2016, 01:07:26 PM »
HOLLERTON JUNCTION - UPGRADING THE LIMA SIPHON G CHASSIS PART 1

Sorry for the long gap between posts but a new job has meant progress on HOLLERTON JUNCTION has stalled.

Over the years a number of articles have appeared from people like Noel Leaver about the relative merits of the LIMA and later Dapol Siphon coaches.  Recently I read that the chassis on the Dapol Siphon is a perfect fit for the old LIMA model so I had to give this a try.  After a few weeks I managed to purchase a brand new (literally never used) LIMA Siphon G in BR Crimson livery (320865) for a good price.

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Photo 1. LIMA Siphon G in BR Crimson, 320865.

The next step was to find an original Dapol Siphon coach to provide a donor chassis.  I wanted an original model as this has the pre-NEM couplers which give a large gap between vehicles.  Once again, I came across a competitively priced, mint condition Dapol Siphon in GWR brown at a local Model Railway Exhibition.

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Photo 2. Dapol Siphon H in GWR Brown, NB-004.

Now I had all the parts required to upgrade the chassis on my LIMA Siphon!  One thing that did surprise me was that the chassis and bogies on my LIMA model were quite good and I wonder if LIMA upgraded them on the final models?  Dismantling the LIMA Siphon did not seem obvious at first as I could not find any visible plastic tabs or screws to remove.  Eventually I discovered that the bogies are held in place via a divided peg pillar on top that inserts through a hole in the chassis - gentle pulling and wiggling will safely remove the bogies.

The LIMA chassis on the other hand is a very tight fit and can only be removed by pulling each end with quite a bit of force.  There are four clips (two down each side) about 1” in from the end plus two very small plastic tabs at each end.  You would not believe that these little bits of plastic could hold the body on with such vigour!  Once you have removed the chassis you will find a significant (2.5”) metal weight clipped in to the chassis.

Removing the chassis from the Dapol Siphon has its own challenges as well.  The bogies are a clip fit as per the LIMA model and I found the easiest way to pop them off was to insert my thumb and first finger nails under the pip and squeeze gently.  Once the bogies are removed you can get access to two metal screws that hold the body and chassis together.  Surprisingly there is no metal weight supplied with the Dapol model so I shall be looking to reuse the LIMA one.

Once everything was disassembled I sprayed the Lima roof section with Humbrol Grey Primer Number 1.

In part 2, I will show the upgraded LIMA Siphon and you can all judge for yourselves whether this process is worthwhile.

As always your comments and suggestions always welcome.

Many thanks

Paddy
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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #520 on: January 24, 2016, 01:28:04 PM »
Good afternoon Paddy. Very nice to have you back posting. The conversion you're describing is one that I will be doing, too. I also have a LIMA Siphon G in BR Crimson livery (320865) and have already removed a Dapol Siphon from its chassis. The body is in Cant Cove station yard in use as a PWM department store. The LIMA Siphon G in BR Crimson livery seems to be quite rare so I'm looking for more Lima Siphon brown bodies (can be vans with damaged chassis, e.g. missing buffers, as I only want the body) to spraypaint BR Crimson for 'through' running.

I have also read about this conversion. If I remember correctly, it's also recommended to add replacement roof ventilators. (I think from Alan, Etched Pixels?)

I also have a conversion kit of parts to add to a Lima Siphon body to convert it (e.g., covering up some of the ventilators) to one used for parcels use by BR WR.

I look forward to the next part(s).

Best regards,
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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #521 on: January 24, 2016, 03:52:52 PM »
HOLLERTON JUNCTION - UPGRADING THE LIMA SIPHON G CHASSIS PART 2

Welcome to Part 2 of the LIMA Siphon G chassis upgrade.  The ballast weight supplied with the LIMA Siphon measures 71mm but the gap between the two screw holes on the Dapol chassis is only 67mm.  To reuse the ballast weight you either have to cut it down, remove the screw holes from the chassis or find an alternative solution to the problem!

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Photo 1. Dapol Siphon H chassis.

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Photo 2. LIMA metal weight.

Personally I did not fancy reducing the length of the weight and removing plastic from the donor chassis seemed like a bad idea also.  My solution was to cut two pieces of plasticard approximately 65mm long, each of which is just under 1mm thick.

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Photo 3. Two 65mm lengths of plasticard.

The two pieces were then stuck together using Plastic Weld to form a plinth 65mm x 2mm.

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Photo 4. Plinth made from Plasticard - 65mm x 2mm.

The plinth fits neatly between the two screw holes and once glued in place forms a platform for the ballast weight to be glued to.

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Photo 5. Dapol chassis with plastic plinth glued in place.

You may find that there is a slight lip remaining on the screw holes but this can be removed through gentle filing before attaching the ballast weight with some suitable super glue.

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Photo 6. Dapol chassis with the LIMA ballast weight glued in place.

Naively I thought this project could be completed in two parts but there will now be at least a part 3 as I need to wait for everything to dry.

As always your comments and suggestions always welcome.

Many thanks

Paddy
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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #522 on: January 24, 2016, 04:59:07 PM »
Many thanks, Paddy. I had not even thought about the weight. I'm glad that you're taking a far more systematic approach than I had thought of doing! 8-)

So, I look forward, in due course, to Parts 3 and 4!

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #523 on: January 26, 2016, 06:05:41 PM »
HOLLERTON JUNCTION - UPGRADING THE LIMA SIPHON G CHASSIS PART 3

Welcome to Part 3 of the LIMA Siphon G chassis upgrade.  The repainted LIMA Siphon roof was glued back in place with some Rocket Card Glue and is a big improvement on the plain plastic.  I also took the opportunity to sand flat the little mould pip in the middle of the roof prior to spraying.  The Dapol chassis was attached to the LIMA body using the same glue forming a strong bond.  Finally, I gave the coach gangways a quick paint with some matt black to tone down the plastic appearance of these items.

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Photo 1. Completed LIMA Siphon with a Dapol Chassis.

My only concern is about the size of the Dapol chassis wheels - thy look a little small in diameter but when I compared them to a Graham Farish coach they are the same size.  May be it is just me but the upgrade Siphon seems to sit a little low.  The remaining Dapol Siphon body and LIMA chassis were put together and you can see the result below - doesn’t look too bad.

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Photo 2. LIMA Siphon with a Dapol Chassis.

Finally, a photo of a bargain I picked up last weekend.  In one of those “junk” boxes you get on traders stalls I came across an unboxed, very dirty Graham Farish Royal Mail TPO for only £10.  From what I could see the only fault with the TPO was dirt so I snapped it up.  A thorough clean, dry and reassembly has resulted in what looks like a brand new model - it is even the original version with lights.

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Photo 3. Graham Farish Royal Mail TPO.

So in summary, I have enjoyed upgrading the LIMA Siphon and there is no doubt the new bogies make a big difference.  However, the viability of this project really depends on the ability to source reasonably priced donor vehicles.  In my case the cost of the models came to £20.50 but I am sure cheaper donors are available in more common liveries and/or poorer condition.  At the end of the day I have something different to run on HOLLERTON JUNCTION.


As always your comments and suggestions always welcome.

Many thanks

Paddy
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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #524 on: January 26, 2016, 07:17:51 PM »
Paddy,

I think you got your money's worth in terms of :

1) enjoying yourself

2) achieving something that you're proud of

That's what this hobby is all about.

Best regards,


Joe

 

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