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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C) - The Train Set I Always Wanted...
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2013, 03:34:44 PM »
DAPOL SIPHONS

Back in November I purchased one of Dapol's new Siphons in BR Maroon (2F-024-004).  These updated Siphons are lovely models with a fine paint finish and nice wheels.  You may not know, but Dapol also took the opportunity to add NEM coupling pockets to these vans.  Whilst I am happy with the standard Rapido coupling I know others will welcome the addition of NEMs.

My only concerns about the new Siphons are:

1) It's weight - it is very light.  Having said that, it runs well and I have not had any derailments on HOLLERTON JUNCTION with it.

2) The NEM Rapido coupling that is supplied with the Siphon gives a very wide gap between items of rolling stock.

The weight issue I can live with unless it starts to cause problems.  However, even I find the gap a little too large and would like to reduce it.  Not being familier with NEM couplings I bought a pack of Graham Farish Standard NEM Couplings thinking these would be shorter - they are not!  In fact, they are exactly the same size as those provided by Dapol.

My next plan is to obtain a pack of Graham Farish Short NEM Couplers to see if they help.  I will report more when I have been able to try these out.

Many thanks

Paddy
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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C) - The Train Set I Always Wanted...
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2013, 08:24:24 PM »
Thanks Paddy.
I'm sure a few folks are eagerly anticipating the results of your experiment :thumbsup:

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C) - The Train Set I Always Wanted...
« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2013, 11:45:07 AM »
PROTOTYPE INFORMATION

Over the years I have collected information about the real railways which I have found valuable.  Recently, a lot of this has been used in the creation of my computer timetable system for HOLLERTON JUNCTION.  Sadly I cannot recall the source of this information (thank you to those who helped) but I share it in the interest of helping others.

BRITISH RAILWAYS DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE CLASSIFICATIONS

Brake HP Type
Under 1000 1
1000 to 1499 2
1500 to 1999 3
2000 to 2999 4
3000 and over 5

BRITISH RAILWAYS STEAM LOCOMOTIVE CLASSIFICATIONS

BR adopted a modified version of the LMS classification system, itself based on the Midland Railway's system.  Each locomotive class was given a number 0-9 that signified its power, 0 for the least powerful and 9 for the most, with a suffix of F or P, indicating Freight and Passenger roles respectively.

Freight power ranged from 0-9, Passenger from 0-8. Many locomotives were used for both roles, in which case they were given two power rating values, the P first e.g. 3P4F or 6P5F.  A slight change from the LMS system saw those where the Passenger classification equalled the Freight classification, e.g. for the LMS Black Fives 5P5F, reclassified as 5MT.  Mixed Traffic locomotives had power rating in the range of 2-7.

Freight 0-9F
Mixed Traffic 2-7MT
Passenger 0-8P

WHYTES WHEEL ARRANGEMENT NAMES

0-2-2 Northumbrian 2-2-0 Planet
2-2-2 Single 4-2-0 Jervis
4-2-2 Bicycle 6-2-0 Crampton
0-4-4 Forney 2-4-0 Porter
2-4-2 Columbia 4-4-0 American
4-4-2 Atlantic 4-4-4 Reading
2-6-0 Mogul 2-6-2 Prairie
2-6-4 Adriatic 4-6-2 Pacific
4-6-4 Hudson, Baltic 2-8-0 Consolidation
2-8-2 Mikado, Mike, MacArthur 2-8-4 Berkshire, Kanawha
4-8-0 Mastodon 4-8-2 Mountain, Mohawk
4-8-4 Northern 2-10-0 Decapod

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C) - The Train Set I Always Wanted...
« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2013, 11:51:01 AM »
And then there is the '9F' which had no 'P' rating but working the Pines Express and other passenger services  :worried:

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C) - The Train Set I Always Wanted...
« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2013, 12:59:37 PM »
And then there is the '9F' which had no 'P' rating but working the Pines Express and other passenger services  :worried:

One of my all time favourite locomotives - the 9F.  A perfect locomotive for the S&D.  My understanding is that the Class 9 Standard 2-10-0 actually had a power rating of 8P9F.

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C) - The Train Set I Always Wanted...
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2013, 04:16:26 PM »
DAPOL SIPHONS

...

2) The NEM Rapido coupling that is supplied with the Siphon gives a very wide gap between items of rolling stock.

... However, even I find the gap a little too large and would like to reduce it.  Not being familier with NEM couplings I bought a pack of Graham Farish Standard NEM Couplings thinking these would be shorter - they are not!  In fact, they are exactly the same size as those provided by Dapol.

My next plan is to obtain a pack of Graham Farish Short NEM Couplers to see if they help.  I will report more when I have been able to try these out.


Whilst sorting out my spares box I came across the bag of extras for my Graham Farish Class 47.  Upon inspection I found that it contained two short NEM Rapido couplers.  I have now fitted these to my Dapol Siphon and I can report they work well.

The gap between the Siphon and other stock is reduced from 14mm to 11mm.  This 3mm reduction may not sound much but it improves the appearance significantly - I suppose this should not be too surprising as it is approximately 18" in the real world!

Also the Siphon still goes around 1st Radius curves without buffer locking or derailing.  So in short, I can highly recommend the fitting of short NEM couplers to the Dapol Siphons.  Just begs the question why Dapol did not do this?

Hope this helps.

Many thanks

Paddy
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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C) - The Train Set I Always Wanted...
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2013, 06:27:26 PM »
Hi Paddy,

Sorry, but I'm finding very difficult reading your posts with all those block capitals, any chance you could refrain from using them unless absolutely necessary. 

Thanks

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C) - The Train Set I Always Wanted...
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2013, 07:25:00 PM »
Hi Paddy,

Sorry, but I'm finding very difficult reading your posts with all those block capitals, any chance you could refrain from using them unless absolutely necessary. 

Thanks

Hi Caz,

Your wish is my commaned - no problem at all.  Always happy to receive customer feedback.

:thankyousign:

Changes have been made.

Many thanks

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C) - The Train Set I Always Wanted...
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2013, 12:02:11 PM »
DAPOL SIPHONS

I thought it might be useful to see a BEFORE and AFTER shot of the Dapol Siphons with the short NEM coupler fitted.

Before:



After:



Hope this helps.

Many thanks

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C) - The Train Set I Always Wanted...
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2013, 12:11:25 PM »
FINISHING OFF THE "TARTAN ARROW"

Always fancied running the Tartan Arrow train on HOLLERTON JUNCTION as the CCTs are rather attractive.  Also, as mentioned previously I grew up in Scotland so it is great to have a link on the layout.  ;)

Today's task was to replace the Lima "Pizza Cutter" wheels on the Tartan Arrow CCTs with blackened coach wheels from Graham Farish (code# 379-412).  These wheels make a big difference to the look of the Lima CCTs for what is a relatively small cost.

One issue to be aware of is that the new wheels fit tightly in to the bogies and this restricts the free running of the van.  To resolve this take a small drill bit (I use a 0.9mm one) in a pin vice and give each bearing a couple of turns.  Do not press too hard as we only need to remove a very small amount of plastic.

Once the new wheels have been inserted, check they rotate freely and their back to back (B2B) with a gauge.  Personally I use the one sold by the N Gauge Society which I can highly recommend.

Here is a photo of a suitably modified Lima CCT.



Now I am off to check the B2B on a number of freight wagons!

Have a great weekend.

Many thanks

Paddy
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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C) - The Train Set I Always Wanted...
« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2013, 10:54:07 AM »
CAMERA CUSHION

Last week I ordered a camera cushion as I wanted something to balance my camera on when taking close up shots etc.  I looked for a "bean bag" but could not find one suitable at a reasonable cost.  Whilst searching with Google I came across the FUJIFILM Camcushion which arrived today and is excellent.

You can view/purchase the Camcushion at the following URL:

http://www.fotosense.co.uk/fuji-camcushion.html

No connection apart from a very satisified customer.

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C) - The Train Set I Always Wanted...
« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2013, 11:45:47 AM »
It is good to hear when something you buy lives up to your expectations  :thumbsup:

cheers John.

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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C) - The Train Set I Always Wanted...
« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2013, 01:29:56 PM »
Which brings me on to my next question.  My Canon Powershot A510 camera is getting rather old.  One option would be to upgrade to the latest Canon equivalent... However, the world of digital cameras seems to be very complicated these days.  Does anyone have a recommendation?

Do I need optical image stabilisation?  How many mega pixels?  What other features are useful?  What about movies?  Is Canon still a good make?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Many thanks

Paddy
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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C) - The Train Set I Always Wanted...
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2013, 03:55:21 PM »
PROTOTYPE INFORMATION

Here is some more information that other may find of interest.

Miles & Chains

There are 80 chains in one mile, thus 20 chains is equal to quarter of a mile, 40 chains is half a mile, and 60 chains is three-quarters of a mile.  A chain is 22 yards - the length of a cricket pitch.

Up & Down Lines

This is quite simple to understand, the Up line is the one that is considered to be heading towards London or major location.  In the UK trains run on the left - if you are ever unsure what this means in terms of your layout then look at the British Rail double arrow logo.

British Railways Passenger Livery Information

The following table is meant to be a guide.  Liveries overlapped periods due to delay in repainting rolling stock.

Year Region Livery       
1948        ER            LNER Teak           
            WR            GWR Chocolate & Cream
            SR            SR Malachite Green   
            LMR          LMS Maroon           
1949        All          BR Carmine & Cream   
1956        ER            BR Maroon           
            WR            Chocolate & Cream   
            SR            Green               
            LMR          BR Maroon           
1960        All          BR Maroon           
1964/65    All          BR Blue & Grey       

British Railways Freight Livery Information

Brown/bauxite wagons/vans indicate that they are fitted (braked).
Grey wagons/vans indicate that they are un-fitted (not braked).

Many thanks

Paddy
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Re: HOLLERTON JUNCTION (SHED 13C)
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2013, 04:43:08 PM »
Some small points
- The regulation said that "main line corridor coaches" were crimson and cream, others were crimson only (some oddities like a few crimson corridor full brakes)
- some maroon stock was unlined
- the southern kept many of its coaches green until 1956 by careful revarnishing
- BR(E) also had teak and brown coaches running around into the early 1960s!

BR(W) is a good deal more complicated - they only repainted a few bits of express stock in 1956 and mostly used maroon. There were good reasons for this (same as dropping the cream) - it saved a lot of coats and money. They gave up on trying to keep chocolate/cream special sets in 1962, although a few examples kept chocolate/cream until about 1968.  The GWR150 rake was repainted in chocolate/cream with white roofs from 1985-88 so is another excuse for some of those vehicles.

BR(S) went back to a plain green. BR(E) considered going back to painted teak but presumably the accountants choked on the costs and they went maroon a short while after the others. BR(S) was also unusual in that they didn't just 'drift' to green, they rapidly turned almost everything back the "right" colour.

Also there are at least two versions of Maroon liveries - with or without black ends, and the absence of black ends dates stock to about 1963 when spray painting came in. The end distinction is seen in 1960s SR coaches too (and I'm curious where the 1960 SR Maroon claim comes from ?)

1960 saw another change - the introduction of the yellow stripe for first class and catering red stripe on BR(S). This followed for the yellow stripe onto the other regions, but the red stripe was almost entirely unused there as it was useless against maroon. Instead it took off with blue.

Some vehicles also of course kept pullman livery, including a few non pullman coaches such as the full brake used with the Bournemouth Belle.

Blue/Grey was also not an immediate switch - coaches were being painted maroon into 66/67 because the paint shops needed refitting for the new paint types used for BR blue/grey. Also of course again some coaches were plain blue, including some DMU stock, full brakes and non-corridor stock (including the famous Moorgate suburban rakes). A few rakes of corridor stock ended up plain blue for a while too.

Another weirdness of early BR blue for modelling (and handy when you are short of the right decal) - British Rail also used up old decals so blue with decals for maroon stock was far from unknown.

1984 saw the appearance of the Scotrail lettering (changed to ScotRail in 85), and also Motorail (85).

One thing a lot of modellers overlook is roof colours. In theory its light grey with C&C, a dark shade with maroon, and a blue/grey with BR blue. In practice it was nothing of the sort until the later days of BR blue (early 80s) and up to that point having a set of coaches whose roof colour all matched is highly dubious !

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