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Offline Malc

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Re: The angry thread
« Reply #5760 on: October 21, 2018, 12:24:15 AM »
I’d get the aerial checked out because there should be no need to retune unless your set has a memory fault.
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Re: The angry thread
« Reply #5761 on: October 21, 2018, 11:01:04 AM »
I’d get the aerial checked out because there should be no need to retune unless your set has a memory fault.
That may be a contributing factor, but it wouldn't be my first port of call. Try the free things first. What @class37025 is describing can happen with perfectly functioning TV gear and a properly installed antenna in good condition.

I have experienced similar problems here in South Wales. Living in the Swansea area, my antenna is aligned on a transmitter in Cardiff (Wenvoe), which is almost exactly in line with a transmitter on the Mendip Hills that broadcasts English channels (obviously). That's not normally a problem, because the signal level from Mendip is way down, and the TV stays tuned to Wenvoe. However, in anomalous propagation conditions, Mendip signals can rise to a level that the TV is happy to tune into, and it decides to show us BBC West... When the anomalous propagation declines, we're left tuned to a channel that's too weak for digital reception and we have to retune. The most common condition that causes these problems is known as "sporadic E" and tends to occur in the spring/summer, but can happen at any time of year when there are high pressure weather conditions. If you check a weather map at the moment you'll find a big high sitting off southern Ireland somewhere...

The propagation problem has always existed, but actual channel jumping is one of the wonders of the digital age, as analog sets didn't retune automatically. But those who are old enough (i.e. most of us! :D) may remember "co-channel interference" where noise and even ghostly pictures would be overlaid on our normal channels because our antennas were picking up a station elsewhere in the country on the same frequency.

To fix the problem you need to disable  the  TV's automatic tuning and automatic channel update facilities and then manually tune into the multiplexes that are transmitted by the transmitter you are intending to receive. The same needs to be done to any PVR/HDD/DVD recorder in use. This should fix it, although henceforth you have to manually retune when the transmitter changes its output channels.

Precise instructions depend on TV model, and the multiplex frequencies are available online, but if @class37025 wants to PM me, I'll do my best to assist.

« Last Edit: October 21, 2018, 11:02:05 AM by Nick »
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Re: The angry thread
« Reply #5762 on: October 21, 2018, 07:44:58 PM »
Creatures are dying in the oceans and seas of the World.

“Reduce! Recycle!”  is the mantra of the age.

Then I read this news item today about plastic, fake, “carveable” pumpkins for Halloween::

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fake-pumpkins-consumption-environment_us_5bc8d287e4b055bc947e99fa?guccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_cs=z0RxAl-R5o1l9YPu9agr8A


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Re: The angry thread
« Reply #5763 on: November 04, 2018, 08:48:27 PM »
Well tomorrow I am expecting a parcel from Amazon, hopefully the delivery will be tomorrow. Last Monday was not good, I was expecting a parcel with pet supplies to be delivered by...wait for it Yodel...not expecting the result to be good, a text message read, parcel will be delivered within 3 days. On Monday morning I get a text message delivery, will be between 9-40am and 11-40am, good I thought they have improved by giving me a 2 hour delivery slot. That was getting my hopes up because at 11-40am I get another text message delivery will be between 14-16 and 16-16 so thanks to Yodel I had to wait in all day so no change then has far as they are concerned. They were also stupid enough to ask me to rate their delivery performance so they got it big time.  Why do we have to put up with such bad service, I have complained to the company I bought the goods from has well. If it will make a difference I do not know, one of the items they sell I have not seen in any local pet shops/stores, or I would buy it from there.
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Re: The angry thread
« Reply #5764 on: November 04, 2018, 09:42:15 PM »

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Re: The angry thread
« Reply #5765 on: November 04, 2018, 11:31:23 PM »
I would have gone dizzy looking up at that parcel ......phewwwwwww....
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Re: The angry thread
« Reply #5766 on: November 04, 2018, 11:49:49 PM »
most common condition that causes these problems is known as "sporadic E" and tends to occur in the spring/summer, but can happen at any time of year when there are high pressure weather conditions
Actually, tropo ducting is related to high pressure :)

SpE is also a problem, can be very intense but usually quite short lived (typically minutes or, intermittently, for an hour or so), much higher up in the ionosphere (or thereabouts :) )

Both much worse in the bad old days of VHF TV
 

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Re: The angry thread
« Reply #5767 on: November 05, 2018, 11:36:26 AM »
Co channel interference is usually caused by a temperature inversion caused by high pressure. With modern yagi aerials the interfering transmitter would need to be in an approximate line with the required one, as in Nick’s case.
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Re: The angry thread
« Reply #5768 on: November 05, 2018, 12:05:14 PM »
Co channel interference is usually caused by a temperature inversion caused by high pressure. With modern yagi aerials the interfering transmitter would need to be in an approximate line with the required one, as in Nick’s case.

You totally lost me after the word 'Co', Malc :dunce:

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Re: The angry thread
« Reply #5769 on: November 05, 2018, 08:53:13 PM »
I have had problems with the tv aerial in my loft, the rest of the house uses a aerial on a post mounted on the back wall,( I have no chimney on the house) with a 3 way splitter in the back bedroom. In the loft I have been using a old aerial mounted under a beam but i could not receive some of the channels so I have bought a Triax unix 52  high gain aerial to replace it. I did find a site which tells you what aerial type is required for the transmitter you are connecting too, in my case Winter Hill north of Bolton about 14 miles has a crow flys from me. That is a another job I need to do move some stuff from under the eaves so I can locate the aerial which is longer than my old one.
The need to retune the tv's ( I have 3 + a box) for Free View is a pain in the ****, they keep re arranging the numbers of the channels and also adding channels, not sure if there is a way round that.
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Re: The angry thread
« Reply #5770 on: November 05, 2018, 09:01:44 PM »
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The need to retune the tv's ( I have 3 + a box) for Free View is a pain in the ****, they keep re arranging the numbers of the channels and also adding channels, not sure if there is a way round that.
put up a dish and switch to freesat

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Re: The angry thread
« Reply #5771 on: November 05, 2018, 09:07:09 PM »
I don't suppose you have an old satellite dish, (could be ex-Sky), have you @lil chris ? If you have, or can get hold of one from somebody, you could buy a 'Freesat' box quite cheap and hook it up to the dish. My ex-Sky dish has four outputs - I connected two to the recorder/player thingy in the lounge and a third to a cheap 'Freesat' box that it is in the bedroom, connected to a TV, (so SWMBO can watch the TV whist ironing my shirts  ;)).  I think I paid about £30 for the box in Asda a couple of years ago. Even though I live in Ireland, when setting up the box, I just programmed in a Bradford postcode, so now I get all the Yorkshire programmes. The point of this rather long winded post is that it never needs re-tuning, we just look at the on screen TV guide and pick from about 150 channels!

Addit: as is the case living where I do, somebody else, (themadhippy),beat me to it!
« Last Edit: November 05, 2018, 09:08:19 PM by dannyboy, Reason: added a bit! »
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Re: The angry thread
« Reply #5772 on: November 05, 2018, 09:33:28 PM »
Well tomorrow I am expecting a parcel from Amazon, hopefully the delivery will be tomorrow. Last Monday was not good, I was expecting a parcel with pet supplies to be delivered by...wait for it Yodel...not expecting the result to be good, a text message read, parcel will be delivered within 3 days. On Monday morning I get a text message delivery, will be between 9-40am and 11-40am, good I thought they have improved by giving me a 2 hour delivery slot. That was getting my hopes up because at 11-40am I get another text message delivery will be between 14-16 and 16-16 so thanks to Yodel I had to wait in all day so no change then has far as they are concerned. They were also stupid enough to ask me to rate their delivery performance so they got it big time.  Why do we have to put up with such bad service, I have complained to the company I bought the goods from has well. If it will make a difference I do not know, one of the items they sell I have not seen in any local pet shops/stores, or I would buy it from there.

At least you got the parcel.

I ordered two items from a 'Caravan parts' company online.

Two days later "Your order has been despatched"

A week later...     ...no parcel.

Four days of them not answering the phone, and not responding to voice mails, four days of emails going unreplied.

Has now been escalated to PayPal.

I feel I will not be seeing my £13.90 again.

Thank  :censored: it wasn't more!

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Re: The angry thread
« Reply #5773 on: November 05, 2018, 09:35:45 PM »
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I just programmed in a Bradford postcode, so now I get all the Yorkshire programmes.
if you dont want yorkshire most of the bbc regions are available, starting at channel 950

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Re: The angry thread
« Reply #5774 on: November 05, 2018, 10:10:41 PM »

if you dont want yorkshire

 ??? ??? ??? Nay, I'm a Yorkshire lad!  ;)
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