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Era 8 cars in N
« on: March 07, 2019, 12:42:45 PM »
Hello

I struggle how to title this or even if it deserves a poll, but I suppose that can follow dependent on interest / feedback.

The announcement of Revolution IPA car carriers has once again got me thinking about N gauge cars; specifically the lack of suitable models for 80s and 90s (“era 8”) layouts.

If Mike and Ben do these wagons in the earlier grey livery, I am struggling to think of suitable loads for them?

I am not knowledgeable enough to know what cars were being made in the UK when these wagons started use (would guess Rovers and Land Rovers were a good start though?).

I have often thought there is a significant gap in the range (of Oxford Diecast for example) of “normal cars”, vehicles such as:

Ford Fiesta
Ford Escort (later marks, 3 and 4)
Ford Sierra
Ford Mondeo

Vauxhall Corsa
Vauxhall Astra
Vauxhall Cavalier
Vauxhall Vectra

Renault Clio
Renault Laguna

Peugeot 205/206
Peugeot 306
Peugeot 405

BMW 3 Series
BMW 5 Series

Etc etc

I know all of these would need to have the correct licences in place, but all sorts of cars are made so why not these?

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Re: Era 8 cars in N
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2019, 01:02:13 PM »
There’s very little newer FWIW, Oxford do a Mini and a Jaguar XF, that’s about it. Cars are a bit of a glaring hole!

I do agree, I want to ‘populate’ my IPAs, but Oxford offerings will be expensive!

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Re: Era 8 cars in N
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2019, 01:11:14 PM »
There’s very little newer FWIW, Oxford do a Mini and a Jaguar XF, that’s about it. Cars are a bit of a glaring hole!

I do agree, I want to ‘populate’ my IPAs, but Oxford offerings will be expensive!

Yes I looked on the Oxford website before starting this thread. The “New Mini” and Jag are useful for more modern Era (even if it would start to get pricey), but as you say that’s your lot!

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Re: Era 8 cars in N
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2019, 01:27:40 PM »
railNscale have a reasonable selection of 1980s car on their Shapeways market-place, but otherwise there is a big gap for a decent range of "normal" 1980s cars.

I've decided to run my NGS Cartics empty as the chances of me filling them with anything other than cheap Chinese generic cars is rather low. I suspect my motorail train will be running rather empty for some time to come.

That's not to say the more exotic don't have their place:
http://www.scot-rail.co.uk/photo/scaled/17642/
Shows a Motorail train at Stirling in 1988. The first two cars are a Rolls-Royce (Corniche?) and a Mk1 Range Rover.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2019, 01:29:34 PM by Steven B »

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Re: Era 8 cars in N
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2019, 01:37:22 PM »
the lack of normal road vehicles available in n is pathetic really.

all sorts of wierd and wonderful new train models get announced but never just normal cars for 80s and 90s!

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Re: Era 8 cars in N
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2019, 01:49:26 PM »
Not sure I'd call it pathetic. I imagine the tooling and production costs wouldn't be far off that of a wagon, but whilst people may be 20+ identical wagons I doubt they'd do the same with cars.

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Re: Era 8 cars in N
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2019, 02:39:00 PM »
The saving grace for the contemporary modeller is that Jaguars for export get wrapped in white vinyl for protection. Makes it a lot easier to model and paint!

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Re: Era 8 cars in N
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2019, 03:11:04 PM »
Using Oxford/Wiking/Herpa/Abrex etc cars to populate car carriers will be expensive. If you are Oxford you are looking for a market for 10000 + spread over 4 colours. There is not much of a collectors market in N scales, so for the multi colour sales you are looking at the model railway fraternity.

If I recall correctly the Oxford minimum order requirements are way too high for the NGS to want to commit, and the hopes of Bachmann doing something to go alongside the NGS/Farish carflat were stillborn

The DJModels speculation about producing cars had no real thought put into it, and no real marketing effort, so became another N gauge project buried forever.

I don’t have any idea to get beyond today’s impasse.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2019, 05:52:00 PM by woodbury22uk »
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Re: Era 8 cars in N
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2019, 03:44:22 PM »
That's not to say the more exotic don't have their place:
http://www.scot-rail.co.uk/photo/scaled/17642/
Shows a Motorail train at Stirling in 1988. The first two cars are a Rolls-Royce (Corniche?) and a Mk1 Range Rover.
Looks more like a Silver Shadow . The Corniche was a two door model

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Re: Era 8 cars in N
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2019, 04:27:59 PM »
you could use the covered car loads:


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Re: Era 8 cars in N
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2019, 11:32:46 PM »

Hello all,

Good thread.

One of the reasons we chose the IPA flats as the car carrier we offered was that they have often been used for vans, and OD do offer rather nice modern Transits, and here are reasonable older vans available from R Parker.

Having said that, there is a definite lack of humdrum cars, with no apparent way out of this impasse.

The NGS has had some success working with Bachmann on models that lead to others - eg the 50' chassis from the inspection saloon inspiring the useful LMS 50' BG - but our attempt to engender a range of useful cars on the back of the Mk1 carflat was unsuccessful as Bachmann felt, having done some research and obtained quotes, was that reasonable models could not be produced at a price that was acceptable to the market.

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Re: Era 8 cars in N
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2019, 11:36:47 AM »
Useful synopsis, Ben.

On the plus side Oxford also do the Jaguar XF, Mini and a Land Rover Discovery for the covered and open variants of the IPA. Still does not solve that Era 8 hole.

One of the issues with some of the 3D printed cars suited to the era is that they are solid, so without separate window pillars. I seem to recall that one of the anti-vandalism measures, besides side screens, was to have a white plastic hood concealing the roof and windows. Might just widen the range of possibles....but at a price.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/XMUDHZJJD/1-160-2x-1985-87-ford-escort?optionId=57227231&li=marketplace
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Re: Era 8 cars in N
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2019, 09:25:43 PM »
As I have said before there are numerous Tomytec 1/150 modern cars available, easily bought directly from Japan. These are generally better than Oxford and much the same price. Of course these are Japanese cars but many are a common sight on the roads in the UK. I have collected these for my next modern image layout

List
Suzuki Wagon R
Mazda 121
Honda Jazz
Toyota Yaris
Toyota Prius
Toyota Supra, 80s
Toyota Corolla Estate
Nissan Micra
Nissan Coma, non UK but modern
Toyota Crown, non UK but modern
Lots of people carriers that I do not know the model names but I have seen a number of these in the UK
There are also a number of modern city cars not imported to the UK
« Last Edit: March 10, 2019, 10:15:25 PM by Rabbitaway »

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Re: Era 8 cars in N
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2019, 09:02:26 AM »
The Tomytec cars are great, but not so good if you're modelling the 1980s, as most of their range is from the '90s or newer.

Skyline2uk's suggestions are what's needed - adding some Volvo 240s, VW Polo, Golf etc. Lots of "normal" cars, i.e. what Oxford Diecast manage for the 50s & 60s but fail to make for later periods, where they concentrate on boy racers and high end models.

 

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