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Author Topic: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)  (Read 5493 times)

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Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
« Reply #135 on: April 26, 2019, 07:42:41 PM »

That is a magnificent bollard, Alec.  Great modelling!  Please tell me that these are a post-1938 feature as I don't fancy making one.

John.


John, unfortunately this style of bollard is far too modern for Poppingham.
I've tried my best for you, I've scoured the interweb but to no avail. I cannot come up with its pre-war predecessor.  I was looking forward to sticking one in the Royal Mail for you. ;)

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Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
« Reply #136 on: April 26, 2019, 08:27:42 PM »

I actually once acted (in Nairn where all things are possible) as a steersman on a steam-roller and had to bring it in beside a well-known television personality without flattening him.  All I'll say is that the term 'lost motion' (no sniggering at the back of the room please @Newportnobby) could have been invented for the steering of a steam-roller.


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Can I just say there are many 'personalities' I would quite happily drive next to/onto with the intention of flattening them? Top of the list at present is Keith Lemon but the list is long >:D

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Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
« Reply #137 on: April 27, 2019, 08:49:03 AM »
That is a magnificent bollard, Alec.  Great modelling!  Please tell me that these are a post-1938 feature as I don't fancy making one.
I remember traffic bollards in the 1940s as plain, octagonal things with what appeared to be cycle reflectors attached to the sides.  I can't find a picure of one anywhere, but here's a picture of something similar taken in 1938.


Picture from Coventry Telegraph
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Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
« Reply #138 on: April 27, 2019, 09:51:28 AM »
The first result on a google search gave a link to this forum thread, the first post has some links to scans of 1940s bollard designs - quite interesting!

https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16116



This link also has some interesting illustrations of  the evolution of road markings, signs and street furniture styles including traffic bollards (about 2/3 down the page)

https://www.igg.org.uk/rail/00-app1/st-furn.htm
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Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
« Reply #139 on: April 27, 2019, 10:05:13 AM »
Hexagonal (possibly octagonal) bollards with a circular reflector attached from the 1940's

I like the two little flags to warn other drivers of the workmen






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Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
« Reply #140 on: April 28, 2019, 12:11:12 PM »
Just quickly reading some of the earlier threads on this subject and in particular to Invicta Alec's thread#50 (18/12/18) when some discussion ensued on backscenes. I'm currently laying track on my debut layout where my up and down main loops will go through tunnels and become 2-road and 3-road lines respectively in the hidden fiddle yard at the back of the layout. I intend to 'screen off' the fiddle yard with a backscene running the full length (6' 8") of the baseboard.
Looking for a bit of guidance, specifically on the backscene; what type of wood is typically used? (5 or 6mm ply?). How is this secured to the baseboard? I have obviously heard of ID Backscenes - any others out there worth considering?
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« Reply #141 on: April 28, 2019, 01:09:43 PM »
Looking for a bit of guidance, specifically on the backscene; what type of wood is typically used? (5 or 6mm ply?). How is this secured to the baseboard? I have obviously heard of ID Backscenes - any others out there worth considering?


There really is no single correct or best way, it totally depends on how your layout is constructed and also depends on your woodworking skills?

Usually a backscene doesn't have to be particularly strongly mounted, and if you want to achieve curves at the back corners rather than hard angles then maybe simple hardboard is better than ply.  How you fix it to the baseboard will depend on how you've constructed the baseboard in the first place? If you've used an open frame then simply fit riser battens coming up from the frame.  If you've gone for a flat top and you're not fitting the backscene to the very back edge of the layout then you'll need to arrange some sort of L brackets, or maybe run a batten horizontally along the top of the baseboard and then screw riser battens to that?

On my layout the backscene is integral to the modules themselves as I create open topped ply "boxes" then cut down the front and sides to create a scenic profile, but leave the back full height for a simple pale blue background.   Here's a shot showing some new modules being created back in 2005 to "wrap round" the original layout

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Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
« Reply #142 on: April 28, 2019, 01:37:23 PM »
Thanks for that. Mine is a closed top baseboard (i.e. complete piece on the timber frame), so will have to think of some small 'L' brackets soon. With hillsides/tunnels on each side there will doubtless be some fixing points on the sides aswell. I guess overall height of backscene is very much down to the individual and layout itself?? What would be an average?

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Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
« Reply #143 on: April 28, 2019, 04:12:05 PM »
@springwood
I use 6mm ply screwed to the baseboard frame at the back and have used ID backscene.
Take a look at Gaugemasters GM701,702,703 etc. for an alternative
I then sealed the top using plastic spine used for holding A4 sheets of paper together.
(Apologies to Alec for hijacking his thread a bit)

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Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
« Reply #144 on: April 28, 2019, 07:42:24 PM »
@springwood
I use 6mm ply screwed to the baseboard frame at the back and have used ID backscene.
Take a look at Gaugemasters GM701,702,703 etc. for an alternative
I then sealed the top using plastic spine used for holding A4 sheets of paper together.
(Apologies to Alec for hijacking his thread a bit)

Actually I'm glad of the "hijack" @Newportnobby. Saxon Street is only my second attempt at a layout. My first never got anywhere near finished, I realised that there were too many things that could have been done better so I abandoned it and started again.
I'm happy to see @springwood getting some good advice from my experienced friend @ntpntpntp.
As far as back scenes are concerned I made several mistakes.

1. On the first layout I only made the scene 5" (125mm) high from the inexpensive Gaugemaster range. Picture wise it looked ok but I knew I should have made it taller. Being a small overall size I reasoned that 3.6mm ply was strong enough and it was (just about). I can't have stuck it well enough since I several times had to add a little bit of glue here and there to stop edges lifting.

2. Learning from this I bought the 9" (225mm) premium ID range for Saxon Street. The photographic quality is high on heavyweight polypropelene paper. I chose the self adhesive option. Revelling in the extra height I just went gung ho and slapped the whole thing on before realising the line of buildings on the photos were too high up and appeared to be flying high across the sky rather than looking like a backdrop to my passing trains.

3. The contact adhesive on these is very strong and great care must be taken when rolling it out to keep the edges parallel. Once it touches down, it wants to stay down! I had considered sticking it to 5mm thick foam board to make a very lightweight structure and then to mount it to the wall (with tiny brackets maybe). But no! that's when I made the worst mistake........I stuck it directly onto the newly emulsioned walls! It didn't take long, cost nothing in materials and look great.......apart from the flying buildings.

After letting it annoy the life out of me for a week or two I took the decision to pull it off. I took me over an hour to remove it (boy is that glue strong). I got it off in five complete strips, somehow managed to trim a couple of gummy inches off the bottom and stick it back on the wall. The wall suffered a little here and there, that's the reason I now have a (very useful) three inch wide shelf running along the top  :)



@springwood  short answer is get the plain paper type and use wallpaper paste (to give you time to position the sheets accurately) and fix it onto 6mm ply as per ntpntpntp's advice.

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Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
« Reply #145 on: April 29, 2019, 07:33:16 AM »
I screwed 9mm ply to the back of the baseboard and then screwed 3mm Foamex to the ply.  This allowed me to curve the backscene around the corners.  It also much easier to fix the backscene to Foamex than to ply.  I used 9 inch ID backscenes 'Hills and Dales'.  I tried several adhesive methods for the backscene, but I didn't try wallpaper paste, which, I think, would have made it easier to slide the backscenes into the correct position.  So, next time, I will use wallpaper paste.
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Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
« Reply #146 on: April 29, 2019, 11:03:47 AM »

I screwed 9mm ply to the back of the baseboard and then screwed 3mm Foamex to the ply.

I think for larger layouts like yours Laurence, thicker back boards are appropriate. 3mm foam board is certainly a good material to get round the corners!


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Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
« Reply #147 on: May 03, 2019, 03:23:03 PM »
Down at the pub

“Did you hear about the kerfuffle at the Queen Vic yesterday?” said Gordon.
“No, I didn’t, what happened?” I said.
“Well landlady Annie Walker was crowing about her newly opened beer garden” he replied.

I had driven past earlier that day and saw the parasols peeping over the fence. “Yeah, very nice” said Gordon. “Made by those fellows at Metcalfe. Apparently the bits are all laser cut so accurately that you only need to glue them together”. “Anyway Jimmy the Chiseler and his mates were first in and ordered a round. Jimmy wanted to know why the price had gone up.”
“Its tuppence a pint extra when we serve them in the beer garden” said Annie. “Jimmy flew into a rage and called her an old skinflint. She barred him on the spot.” said Gordon with a grin.



“I can’t be dealing with all this” I thought, so I went off to play with my trains.

Just arrived from Saxon Street the charming Southern class 171 on platform 1 at Farningham Central. A pair of Regional Rail 150s on local duties occupy the other two platforms.



Actually the nearest one is a brand new addition to my fleet. Its the Graham Farish weathered one that Rails of Sheffield were flogging off cheaply recently. I’m not sure that I’m that bothered about having weathered stock but this one looks reasonable. Here’s a close up.



Onwards and upwards stout fellows!

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Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
« Reply #148 on: May 03, 2019, 05:21:27 PM »
Alec those units are looking seriously good and the pub scene well modelled. Thank you for the tutorials on backscenes. After a flat rebuild and finding a damaged piece thanks to the builder im having to rebuild mine. Just gave me a lot to work on. Thank you again
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« Reply #149 on: May 03, 2019, 06:30:51 PM »

......... Thank you for the tutorials on backscenes.


Thank YOU kind sir. I think however "tutorials" is a bit overstating the case. It was more a list of how NOT to do it!   ;D

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