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Re: The Train Shed Project - Marton Hinmarche
« Reply #2430 on: June 28, 2018, 08:53:57 AM »
A sewage treatment plant - an excellent idea Laurence. Every town has to have one and yet they are rarely modelled.

Someone on the NGF was planning to make one as well a while ago, but I can't remember the name or thread. Are you planning rotating sprinkler arms?

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Re: The Train Shed Project - Marton Hinmarche
« Reply #2431 on: June 28, 2018, 09:12:52 AM »
It will only be a simple one-tank plant and it will have a rotating arm.  Whether the arm actually gets to rotate is another matter.  :)
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Re: The Train Shed Project - Marton Hinmarche
« Reply #2432 on: June 28, 2018, 09:16:43 AM »
Take one hamster and its exercise wheel, some gearing .........
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Re: The Train Shed Project - Marton Hinmarche
« Reply #2433 on: June 28, 2018, 08:13:28 PM »
 :laughabovepost:

Today, we went to the caravan.  Normally we go for a couple of nights but, with the weather being so hot, we decided that we couldn’t leave the garden and greenhouse for more that a day.  So it was a day trip.  But before we went, I managed a short session in the Train Shed, after making some progress on the new full operational timetable.

A couple of strange have things happened over the period allocated to engineering works and track cleaning.  Firstly, Point 37 seems to have added itself to Route 1.  This meant that when I tried to run the first sub-cycle, the branch passenger ran into trailing points from the ‘wrong’ direction and caused a short circuit.  So I had to reprogram Route 1, which did the trick.  Then, Cranmore Hall was running at a greatly reduced top speed.  I reprogrammed the Top Voltage (CV5) and the top speed returned to normal.  I can only think that some of the engineering works or testing was carried out with the power on and some spurious signals were recorded by the controller and loco.  So there may be more surprises in store tomorrow. 

By the time I had to stop, I had managed to run three sub-cycles, involving both 45XX locos.  Tomorrow, I should be able to run some more sub-cycles.  Once I have run the complete timetable, I will consider the engineering works fully tested.
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Re: The Train Shed Project - Marton Hinmarche
« Reply #2434 on: June 29, 2018, 08:14:00 PM »
Double Headers are Dangerous

First thing this morning, I had a go at running 6417 on the branch.  It all looked OK until I tried reinstating acceleration.  That was a failure and I had to remove it again.  In the end, I ran three more sub-cycles.  Then it was off to the butcher’s and for coffee.  Yes, I know it’s only Friday, but Celia will be taking our grand daughter shopping tomorrow, so we had to bring things forward a little.

Later this afternoon, I returned to the Train Shed.  I had another go at running 6417 on a circuit on the mainline.  Then I attached 9744 and tried to create a consist.  That was where the trouble started.  I made a mistake and then couldn’t remember what I had done wrong.  The result was that Cranmore Hall would not run.  I suspected a consist error but couldn’t remember which consist I had created.  I reprogrammed it from Loco 1 to Loco 40 and that was OK.  But, when I reset it to Loco 1, it just wouldn’t run.  I put it on the programming track and set CV19 to zero (the approved method from Gaugemaster) but that didn’t work.  I tried deleting consists and, eventually, I deleted Consist 101, which did the trick.  After that I ran 6417 and 9744 as a consist.

 


At one time, I tried to install acceleration again, but to no effect.  Eventually, I returned to some more timetable runs.  At this stage, I noticed that Royal Ulster Rifleman had encroached onto the exit points from its storage loop.  I tried to move it back again, but it would not move.  So I deleted the consist I had created for 9744 and 6417 and it worked again.  So, somehow, it had managed to add itself to the consist.  It looks as though double headers could be fraught with danger and I will need to take particular care when creating them in future.

I finished the next two sub-cycles and decided to call it a day.  After all, I had a video to process, which is quite time-consuming.  Tomorrow, I may not be quite so brave.
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Re: The Train Shed Project - Marton Hinmarche
« Reply #2435 on: June 30, 2018, 09:06:37 PM »
This morning, I managed two sub-cycles of the timetable first thing.  I had hoped to run more, but there were a couple of problems.  The most significant of these was another route problem.  Route 14 had suddenly forgotten that it should include setting Point 4.  The result was that Eire caused a short circuit approaching the trailing point from the ‘wrong’ side.  In the end, I had to clear the route and reprogram it.  There were also one or two operator errors.  I didn’t get to make any progress on the operational timetable, but I still hope to have it ready by the end of the current full cycle.

In the afternoon, I had a good session in the Train Shed and managed no less than ten sub-cycles, so I am now more that half way through the operational timetable, looking for possible errors that have crept in during the engineering works.  There were one of two problems.  The most significant was the failure or Route 18.  In this case, 80119 ran into the back of the heavy goods in Loop 16 because of the loss of Point 22 from the Route.  Again, I had to delete the route and reprogram it.  That apart, 64960 played up again leaving the goods loop.  In the end, I had to set its acceleration to zero to get it to run.  This is very frustrating, given that it was always such a reliable runner.

However, by the time I finished, I managed to get some video sequences ‘in the can’ to create a new video.

 


If I am satisfied with all the running sequences of the timetable, I will feel able to carry on with the scenic work.
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Re: The Train Shed Project - Marton Hinmarche
« Reply #2436 on: July 01, 2018, 07:46:50 PM »
The season of plenty has arrived!  Today was a picking day.  I had intended to pick everything (apart from my nose) but my back had other ideas.  We started the day with table tennis because tomorrow, our normal table tennis day, we have a U3A committee meeting.  But I did manage an early morning time-steal in the Train Shed and ran no less than six sub-cycles because everything ran so well.  There was one hiccup when 45572, ‘Eire’, stopping suddenly as it made its way into the DOWN loops.  I tried it again, but it stopped in the same place again.  After a couple of re-tries, I decided that there must be something on the track and took the aggressive action of applying a Peco track rubber.  That did the trick so, obviously, something must have adhered to the rails at that point.  Then it was off to table tennis.

Later, the picking began.  By the time for dinner (sorry, lunch in modern parlance) I had picked strawberries, our first raspberries, tayberries and the first blackcurrant bush.  The blackcurrant was a problem: I hadn’t notice the fruit before because it was infested with whitefly, which had caused the leaves to curl over the fruit.  I knew that ants farmed greenfly, but I hadn’t realised they did the same with white fly.  The bush was crawling with ants.  By the time I had picked all the ripe fruit from the bush, my back muscles were really complaining.  So I decided that I would need to stretch it out a bit and leave the rest of the blackcurrants, the blueberries and gooseberries until tomorrow.  However, later, I did manage to pick peas and broad beans, which don’t require doubling up close to the ground to be picked.

After a cup of tea, I had another short session in the Train Shed.  On the first sub-cycle, Forthampton Grange caused a short circuit at its first exit point.  I checked the route and tried resetting and then setting it again and, this time it all worked.  Of course, it may have just been that the bogie had derailed and, after that, it was OK.  Here are the three trains in the station, making a busy little picture.



Nearest the camera, at Platform 4, is 5572 with the branch passenger waiting to depart for Norton.  Across the platform, at Platform 3, is 80119 with the local passenger for Kingly and Aylesbury.  Next to 80119 is the Hereford train behind Forthampton Grange.

However, on the next sub-cycle, 45206 needed quite a bit of encouragement to start from the UP loops with the milk train.  Then, as it passed through the goods shed, the tender caught on the side of the building and wouldn’t move.  A large sky-hook was employed to lift the goods shed and 45206 then proceeded normally.  I had a second go and the same thing happened.  It was then that I noticed that the tender was not sitting square on the rails.  Oh-oh!   :(  It looked like a traction tyre problem.  I lifted the loco and, sure enough, there was one traction tyre half off and one missing.  The missing one turned out to be behind the goods office.  I recently bought some brand new traction tyres, so I removed the old one and fitted two brand new ones.  That did the trick.  Here are all the stopping goods trains in the station at the same time. 



4571 is at Platform 4 with the branch goods, 64960 is in the milk loop with the local pick-up goods waiting for a clear slot, Ditcheat Manor is at Platform 3 with the parcels train and 45206 in waiting in the goods loop with the milk train for a timetable slot.

Having done all that, I must have had a brain storm, because I began the next timetable sub-cycle while the branch goods and the parcels train were still in the station.  The parcels train wasn’t too much of a problem because the local passenger was on the DOWN line while the parcels train was on the UP.  But the branch goods was a problem because the branch is single line and the branch passenger was coming from the opposite direction.  So I had to reset the routes and move the branch passenger back to Norton and then send the branch goods on to Norton to allow the branch passenger to run normally.  I had plenty of time to send off the parcels train before Royal Ulster Rifleman came thundering through with the London train.  After that, 5572 and 46443 both made their way back to their ‘home’ loops.

If everything runs smoothly tomorrow, I will think about some more scenic work, probably starting with a remake of the island platform.
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Re: The Train Shed Project - Marton Hinmarche
« Reply #2437 on: July 01, 2018, 08:25:09 PM »
It’s a similar time of plenty for us in Cornwall although all of our raspberries are Autumn fruiting so we must wait for those.
Our first new potatoes, spinach and broad beans were delicious with lamb shank this evening.
Plus......we had some badly needed rain this morning.
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Re: The Train Shed Project - Marton Hinmarche
« Reply #2438 on: July 02, 2018, 08:15:54 PM »
Today was a good day, in a strange sort of way.  Before we went off to our committee meeting, I had quite a long session in the Train Shed.  I had expected to get a fair bit of running under my belt.  But Jubilee 45572, ‘Eire’ had a different agenda.  It kept stalling when I tried to bring it out of the DOWN loops.  In the end, I took the Peco track rubber to the rails, which helped a bit.  But it kept stopping, like its sudden jolt to a halt yesterday.  In the end, I set its acceleration to zero and ran it into the Platform 3.  When it started again, it was still troublesome, so I decided to apply some tiny drops of IPA to the tyres of its drivers and to the inside of the drivers, hoping to clean the pickups.  I freewheeled it over a piece of kitchen roll on the rails to try to clean the tyres and the put it back at the head of the train.  But is still kept stopping. 

It was then I noticed that the drivers seemed to be locking.  There had been a similar problem with Stanier Class 5, 45206, some time ago and I never really got to the bottom of it.  It seemed like a valve gear problem.  I did quite a lot of investigation work and, eventually, found that one of the connecting rods seemed to be bowing a little where the sticking occurred.  In the end, I realised that one of the piston rod sliders had jumped off the top slide bar. 



This was corrected with the aid of a pair of fine tweezers and then it all seemed OK.  I put all the other trains to bed, so to speak, and decided on a few circuits with Eire.  But then it was time to go to the committee meeting.

Later in the afternoon, I was able to return to the Train Shed and give Eire a few circuits, including station stops and stops in the loops.  This time, it performed so well that I reset its acceleration back to normal and it ran like a dream.  After that, I was able to run the next sub-cycle, but on the following one, 64960 started to play up.  I had already set its acceleration to zero yesterday because of running difficulties so, buoyed up by the success with Eire, I decided to apply IPA to its driver tyres and the inside of the drivers.  I then gave it a couple of circuits, but not before realising that Ditcheat Manor was still at Platform 2.  So I had to run that round as well, in stops and starts because its top speed is more that double that of 64960.  After a while, I reinstated the acceleration on 64960 and it ran just like new again.  But there was a problem. 

I ran the next sub-cycle without a problem but then, when I cam to run Ditcheat Manor out of the DOWN loops it caused a short circuit because, while running 64960 in circuits, I had parked Ditcheat Manor in the wrong loop.  Once that was sorted everything ran well.  There was one parting problem, however, when I returned to Train Shed later to photograph Eire’s valve gear, it played up again, possibly because I started by running it in reverse out of the loops, which it didn’t like.  Let’s hope that on its next run, it will behave properly.

Tomorrow, I think I will clean the whole track again, after all the excitement and engineering works.
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Re: The Train Shed Project - Marton Hinmarche
« Reply #2439 on: July 03, 2018, 08:14:47 PM »
I had a good session in the Train Shed first thing this morning.  First, I cleaned all the running lines and then I moved all the trains out of the UP loops, ready for cleaning.



On the left you can see the intermediate passenger behind Jubilee Class 45572, ‘Eire’ at Platform 2 on 5h3 UP main.  Opposite, at Platform 3 on the DOWN main, is Forthampton Grange with another intermediate passenger.  On the other side of the island platform, nearer to the camera at Platform 4, is 80119 with a local passenger.  On the adjacent track, at the Milk Platform, is Ditcheat Manor with the parcels train.  In the distance, on the far right just beyond the goods shed, is the local pickup goods behind J39 64960.  Everything ran perfectly, except for Eire, which still seemed to be suffering from a hangover after reverse running yesterday.  Then it was off to the gym for a swim followed by a visit to J Sainsbury.

In the afternoon, we had to make a trip to Leconfield, North of Beverley.  But, later, I had another session in the Train Shed.  This time, I cleaned all the UP loops and then moved all the trains back out of the station before clearing the DOWN loops ready for cleaning tomorrow.  Eire still wasn’t playing ball so, once the cleaning cycle is complete, I will try giving it a few circuits to see if it will run normally again.
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Re: The Train Shed Project - Marton Hinmarche
« Reply #2440 on: July 04, 2018, 09:35:34 PM »
Today was a day out.  We support the Solihull branch of the MS Society and they organised a river cruise on the Trent.  We like to support them whenever we can.  We didn’t have to leave until after coffee time, so I managed a good session in the Train Shed this morning.  I cleaned all the DOWN loops and prepared to move all the trains back again.  Here’s a view of Marton Hinmarche with all the trains parked in the station.



Nearest the camera, hiding behind the row of houses, is B17 ‘Liverpool’ in the milk loop.  On the next track at Platform 4 is Cranmore Hall and on the far side of the island platform sits 92006 with the fish train.  At Platform 2 is Royal Ulster Rifleman with its long train stretching off to the left under London Road Bridge, while right over on the right is 64960 with the local pickup goods.

I moved all the trains back to base and then tried Eire for a few laps.  I’m pleased to say that it is now running nice and smoothly again.  There was one abrupt stop when it had reduced almost to a normal stop, but that was in a loop it normally never uses and the stop coincided with a tight radius, which may have been the culprit.  There were no other incidents and so I happily put it to bed.

The Strange Case of the Push-Me-Pull-You

I have been considering using the two panniers as a push-me-pull-you to operate the branch goods, once the new operational timetable is ready for use.  The idea is that I will operate two passengers and one goods.  Eventually, I hope to use the never-to-be-seen Farish Standard 2-6-2T for the goods, but the push-me-pull-you will be a good stand in.  Here’s a short video of it with a one-coach train (no music I’m afraid).

 


The reason for operating the push-me-pull-you is that neither pannier can be relied on to perform reliably alone but, together, they seem to work much better.  Alas, I have not been able to find a way to re-secure the hand rail to the left hand pannier tank of 9744.  Any suggestions?

While we were at the cruise boat, the tail lift of the minibus broke down so I had to work out how to operate the tail lift manually and crank it up and down by hand to get everyone off.  Once the tail lift was stowed, the next problem came when we had to get everyone on board again.  Could we get the tail-lift out of its housing?  :veryangry: In the end, after an interactive call to a duty service engineer, we managed to work out how to release it and I had to work very hard to get them all up again.  A tail-lift with a heavy person and wheel chair on board takes a lot more effort to raise than an empty one when you are unloading.  Then, when we were on our way home, Celia realised that she had left her jacket on the quayside with here mobile phone in it.  Fortunately, I managed to get the SIM cancelled and a new one is on its way.  Her old phone may still turn up, but the new SIM can be used in it.  Failing that, we will buy another one.

Tomorrow I will begin (hopefully) a final running of the current operational timetable, after which, I hope to have the new timetable ready.  Also, I want to make sure that everything is running nicely before returning to scenic work.
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Re: The Train Shed Project - Marton Hinmarche
« Reply #2441 on: July 05, 2018, 07:53:00 PM »
Today, we played host to the U3A group in the afternoon.  I had a lot of things to do around the house and garden in the morning, but first I had a good session in the Train Shed and ran the first complete cycle, practically faultlessly.  Here’s J39 64960 with the local pickup goods in the goods depot.



And, on the other side of the station, 45206 stands at the head of the milk train in the milk depot.



There were three or four instances operator error and a couple of instances of having to touch a carriage behind the loco before it would start to move but, otherwise everything ran perfectly, apart from Eire at Point 33.  I think I may have to lift Point 33, the turnout from the DOWN main into the goods yard, because it has caused problems in the past, particularly for Forthampton Grange.  Today, Eire had a little falter there, but the problem is definitely mechanical because it didn’t lose speed after faltering.  Once it overcame the resistance, presumably as the applied voltage from the decoder increased sufficiently, it shot away at the correct speed for the elapsed time.  That means that electrical contact must have been maintained.  I have noticed that the end of the rail on the DOWN main that buts up to the turnout stock rail is slightly inclined upwards. 



You can see the upturned rail end quite clearly.  It may have become bent when cutting the rail to length using my Xuron track cutters.  When I cut that length of track, I had not had enough practice to keep the rail ends straight.  If that is the cause, I may not have to lift the point, but I will have to lift a section of the DOWN line in Platform 2.

I will persevere with the timetable running until the end of this timetable and make a decision about future activity after that.
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Re: The Train Shed Project - Marton Hinmarche
« Reply #2442 on: July 05, 2018, 09:20:59 PM »
I think you're correct, Laurence. Splicing a new small length of straight in before the point would be easiest and solve the problem :hmmm:

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Re: The Train Shed Project - Marton Hinmarche
« Reply #2443 on: July 05, 2018, 09:51:49 PM »
It looks to me the fishplate is not fitted properly and not holding the rails in line and has lifted the point rail.
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Re: The Train Shed Project - Marton Hinmarche
« Reply #2444 on: July 05, 2018, 10:46:33 PM »
I agree the fishplate is not seated properly but the last few mm of the furthest rail on the straight looks to be bent upwards slightly.

 

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