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Tail traffic (swingers)...
« on: September 28, 2015, 06:08:10 PM »
Hi All,
I keep seeing the term "swinger" being used, for example for van(s) being towed a DMU.  I believe this to be incorrect and should be referred to as tail traffic.  In my experience a swinger was the term used for an unbraked / piped vehicle being incorrectly marshalled at the rear of a fitted train...  Any traffic attached to a DMU would need to have been vacuum fitted. 
I will happily be corrected if I'm wrong though!  Mind you in steam days I guess this would be correct as mixed trains would have had unfitted goods vehicles, admittedly with a brake van on the rear attached to the back of the passenger coaches.
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Re: Tail traffic (swingers)...
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2015, 06:29:28 PM »
Hi John,
I remember working DMUs with vacuum braked vans from Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Victoria back in the early to mid-80s. I can confirm that unofficially the van was indeed called a swinger. However, officially it was referred to as tail traffic.
Kevin

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Re: Tail traffic (swingers)...
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2015, 07:11:50 PM »
I thought 'swinger' meant something else!  ;) ???
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Re: Tail traffic (swingers)...
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2015, 07:43:12 PM »
Hi John,
I remember working DMUs with vacuum braked vans from Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Victoria back in the early to mid-80s. I can confirm that unofficially the van was indeed called a swinger. However, officially it was referred to as tail traffic.
Kevin

 :thankyousign: Kevin, that makes sense... I've only seen it referred to in official terms, so happy to be corrected by someone who has worked the job!
John

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Re: Tail traffic (swingers)...
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2015, 07:57:00 PM »
Hi ,
worst case of a "swinger" was a service from Northeast terminated at Derby, late 70s I would guess - a loco hauled set arrived with ab stock then a Gresley buffet VB/ piped and then some vb stock on behind to a rear van, guard did a brake test and got nothing, checked train and found the air braked engine correctly coupled to stock to buffet then nothing beyond!
It was terminated and I guess a few questions asked !

Tail traffic is fine for me as referencing a swinger always implied trouble.
Terms used can cause heart failure . On Cambrian ERTMS line an early computer failure resulting in signaller advising Swindon control that he had a crash. The heart stopping moment cleared when he confirmed it was a computer system failure . The term "rollover" was coined shortly after - as in rolled over and died!!! 
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Re: Tail traffic (swingers)...
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2015, 09:32:42 PM »
Hi Robert,
That was my line of thought, swinger = trouble!  To me it just sounds wrong using the term swinger for tail traffic on a DMU.  However as Kevin says that's how they used to describe tail traffic even if it was an unofficial term.  It's one of those railway things where everyone has their own way of describing things!  It's all ok as long as everyone knows what your talking about. Then one day someone new turns up and misinterprets a conversation...  Even now with Network Rail there is supposed to be "one way", but there are still variations between the regions.  Even now after 30 years on the railway I'm still learning and evolving!
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Re: Tail traffic (swingers)...
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2015, 05:55:52 AM »
Hi All,
I keep seeing the term "swinger" being used, for example for van(s) being towed a DMU.  I believe this to be incorrect and should be referred to as tail traffic.  In my experience a swinger was the term used for an unbraked / piped vehicle being incorrectly marshalled at the rear of a fitted train...  Any traffic attached to a DMU would need to have been vacuum fitted. 
I will happily be corrected if I'm wrong though!  Mind you in steam days I guess this would be correct as mixed trains would have had unfitted goods vehicles, admittedly with a brake van on the rear attached to the back of the passenger coaches.
John   :help:
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That how we always used the terms on the London Division of the Western Region. Of course there were always many local variations.

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Re: Tail traffic (swingers)...
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2015, 07:16:20 AM »
Seems like a case of Jimmy Tarbuck.... swingin' or dodgy!  ;D
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Re: Tail traffic (swingers)...
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2015, 05:29:47 PM »
I thought about Google-ing it on the girlfriend's work iPad then realised how it might look in her search history...

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Re: Tail traffic (swingers)...
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2015, 06:34:06 PM »
Hi Slightly off topic but I recall EWS produced a 4 page lexicon to help new starters with rail speak variations and a plain English version.
At Xc trains yesterday some new starters( grad trainees ) started on delay attribution and one was not even born when I started attribution duties - old or what ! Perhaps it shows the mess we are in.

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Re: Tail traffic (swingers)...
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2015, 07:54:30 PM »
I recollect having a little booklet of railway slang back in the late 60's/early70's called something like "clean the specs on the dolly at the end of platform".  It wasn't an official BR publication but was quite interesting, now sadly lost. Does anyone else remember it or have a copy?
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Re: Tail traffic (swingers)...
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2015, 12:11:42 AM »
Just taking a hopefully educated guess here, but does that mean "clean the lenses on the semaphore starter signal?"
Vision over visibility. Bono, U2.

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Re: Tail traffic (swingers)...
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2015, 12:35:22 AM »
We used to refer to out of service Sprinters tagged on the back end ( normally for stock movements) as Swingers - Or rather the ex Black Country chaps did ;)
Not that unusual to have a 150 in service and all sorts at the back....
 I can recall relieving in a rush at XXXXX and on arriving over the big bridge at YYYYYY having to go to the back of the train to see what we had actually got in the "consist" for future station stops :D

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Re: Tail traffic (swingers)...
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2015, 08:30:11 AM »
Just taking a hopefully educated guess here, but does that mean "clean the lenses on the semaphore starter signal?"
Seem to recall a dolly is one of the many names for a subsidiary/shunting signal. 

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Re: Tail traffic (swingers)...
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2015, 09:15:46 AM »
Ah yes... you have activated the brain cell. I think you are right...
Vision over visibility. Bono, U2.

 

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