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Re: Show your Latest Loco and Rolling Stock Purchase - American N
« Reply #465 on: January 22, 2019, 11:54:03 PM »




Hi Neil, Yes that Atlas EMD SD26 is a unique locomotive. The EMD SD26 locomotives started life as EMD SD24 locomotives and were rebuilt by the Santa Fe railroad, 35 of them ended up on Guilford.   
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Re: Show your Latest Loco and Rolling Stock Purchase - American N
« Reply #466 on: April 10, 2019, 04:15:33 AM »
Hello folks

This fire truck is the latest release from Showcase Miniatures. It is a beautiful looking kit, but unfortunately Deadwood has no buildings higher than 2 stories except for the grain elevator so an appliance such as this could not be justified.

https://www.showcaseminiatures.net/n_scale/n_scale_vehicles/136.html

If you click on the main picture it will expand even further so you can get a better appreciate how detailed this truck really is.

For those that don't know them, Showcase Miniatures is a wonderful source of N scale detail parts including vehicles. I have several of their truck kits (one built) as well as a whole lot of their searchlight signals. The kits are as good as they get, though my hamfisted construction leaves a lot to be desired.

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Re: Show your Latest Loco and Rolling Stock Purchase - American N
« Reply #467 on: April 14, 2019, 09:42:35 PM »
It’s been a while since I bought my last U.S. model but I couldn’t resist this recent release by Broadway Limited Imports (BLI): the T1 Duplex of the Pennsylvania Railroad. I have never bought anything from BLI before as I am not willing to spend the extra money for sound (although I have often thought about some of their E-units and PAs) but in this case I just had to pre-order. The unusual T1 has been one of my favourite locos since I saw a painting in a book by O.S. Nock which my grandpa has bought me about 40 years ago.




Some free advice to BLI for their future releases: When you produce your next PREMIUM N SCALE locomotive, the box would look much better without the words HO SCALE on the side … :D




Duplex means that there are two sets of cylinders and drivers but all in a rigid frame, not articulated. So, the 4-4-4-4 T1 was the equivalent of a 4-8-4, just with the drawbacks of four cylinders instead of two, less traction as the two separate driver groups tended to slip easier, and a long rigid wheelbase which led to frequent derailments on some tight curves and points (yes, I am still talking about the prototype and not the model). :uneasy:
Of course, the Duplex concept promised some advantages, too: Two separate cylinder groups meant that the cylinders could be made smaller, reducing the stress on the main rods which could be made lighter, and the better counterbalance resulting in less track damage than a 4-8-4 at higher speeds. :hmmm:


The PRR embraced the Duplex concept. In 1939, it built the experimental S1, a monstrous (longer than a Big Boy) 6-4-4-6 express locomotive. The T1 followed in 1942, two prototypes (nos. 6110–11), lighter (therefore not needing 3-axle bogies) and thus shorter and more practical than the S1.
The iconic design by Raymond Loewy (who also had styled the S1 before) reminded of a ship’s prow and no longer used the bullet nose so often seen on American streamlined steam locos. 
Additionally, fast freight locomotives were also made with Duplex drive: the ill-fated experimental Q1 (4-6-4-4) and twenty-six Q2s (4-4-6-4) which proved very capable during wartime.

After the war and the positive experiences with the Q2s, the PRR decided to order fifty more T1s for their premier express trains which were delivered in 1945–46. These were numbered 5500–49 and differed from the two 1942 prototypes mainly in that their ship prow was less pronounced and the side skirts were reduced in height. Initially, they had the same full-width shroud reaching back over the front cylinders, with three portholes as the prototypes.

Beginning already in 1946, the T1s were modified, with most of the lower front streamlining removed and the keystone number moved up below the headlight. By 1948, the T1s had been bumped from the crack expresses by new diesels, and the T1s were retired until 1952. Unfortunately, all were scrapped. (Of course, the late but hasty dieselisation leading to a hodgepodge fleet was the next nail in the PRR coffin after the expensive steam experiments.) :doh:




The BLI release is of the postwar 5500-class T1 in its modified form. In HO, BLI has also released the as-built version, which I hope will follow in N, too.

Available road numbers for the modified version are 5502, 5506, 5517, 5528, 5533, 5539 (BLI 3285–90), and an unlettered version (BLI 3291, although the PRR was the only railroad to use the T1). Mine is BLI 3289, no. 5533.

I have made the photos brighter to show more details. In reality the BLI T1 is darker – but it is clearly more grey than black or PRR’s Brunswick Green/DGLE (dark green locomotive enamel – the mixing of the paint jokingly described as “a 5-gallon bucket of black paint with a drop of green in it”). As the rods are nicely darkened, I find the flat, dark grey paint acceptable for an engine that has seen some use and is well-kept but not factory-fresh. All in all, I think it looks great. :thumbsup:

The T1 is equipped with a kinematic drawbar between loco and tender but I think the gap could be a bit narrower. The details like the handrails and Trainphone antenna are delicate but are sturdy enough and the packaging was sufficient to prevent breaking during transport from China and Germany (wish I could say the same about the Minitrix BR 101 box :'( ).



The BLI model is not my first T1. I had one since 2001, a brass model from Key Imports. Key made four different versions, both prototypes and the 5500 class, in as-built and modified form.
I wanted to have three of the four versions (modestly, only one of the two prototypes :angel: ) but with a price tag of $1,000 I only bought one new and wanted to add the other two later second-hand at a lower price. Unfortunately, second-hand prices thwarted this brilliant idea, the Key T1s regularly reaching $2,800 to $3,000 :goggleeyes: – and the times when I spent $1,000 for a toy train loco are long gone, too. :)




At least it seems I have made the right decision in ordering one of the 1942 prototypes instead of the less streamlined production models. I have no. 6111, the only T1 with a booster engine in the trailing bogie. (The reason I chose 6111 was just that I liked the number more than 6110. :-[ )  Please excuse that one tender bogie is derailed, the 8-wheel bogies are :censored: to put on the track properly with the deep skirts.
The whitewalls are shown on Baldwin factory photos but look over the top on the model, especially in direct comparison with the subdued BLI wheels.
 
I doubt that BLI will produce the prototypes but the production models as built will most likely come in the near future. At $400, the BLI T1s are not cheap but compared with the brass models … :thumbsup:


In the background I have also placed the 1939 predecessor of the T1, the lone S1, an Oriental Limited brass model from the mid-80s, to show off ::) … the differences in length and design between S1 and T1. ;)

S1 6100, 1939, as built – Oriental Limited
T1 6111, 1942, as built – Key Imports Custom Series #127
T1 5533, 1946, modified – Broadway Limited Imports 3289




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Re: Show your Latest Loco and Rolling Stock Purchase - American N
« Reply #468 on: April 15, 2019, 02:17:04 AM »
A very good and informative post, Hiawatha. Thanks

The Duplexes are slick looking machines especially the S1.

On the matter of BLI locos fitted with sound, I had two such of their E8s . Very good detail and excellent paint jobs so terrific models to look at. Both my E8s ran with a hot spot under the roof which I believe was due to a capacitor located on the top of the motor and which I took to be part of the sound electronics. I don't like this sort of thing in small models. After not that much running, the loco emitted a pop, stopped, and produced a puff of smoke due to the capacitor which had blown. I subsequently converted that loco to DC and sold the other one before it had a chance to misbehave. I may have been unlucky with BLI sound, but I'm not going to take any further chances with them.

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Re: Show your Latest Loco and Rolling Stock Purchase - American N
« Reply #469 on: April 15, 2019, 03:14:08 AM »
Don't ya just lurve it when the tender is almost as big as the locomotive?  ;)

Cool!  :thumbsup:
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Re: Show your Latest Loco and Rolling Stock Purchase - American N
« Reply #470 on: April 18, 2019, 10:11:08 PM »
I'm glowing green with envy! :) :)

The T1 and S1 are some of my favourite steam locomotives off all time (if I ever win the lottery.. *sigh*) These and the NYC J3a with Dreyfus styling just about define the pinnacle of 20th Century industrial design,  The boiler detail on the BLI T1 looks much better than the Key one

Good for you!

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Re: Show your Latest Loco and Rolling Stock Purchase - American N
« Reply #471 on: April 19, 2019, 01:49:23 PM »
I'm glowing green with envy! :) :)

The T1 and S1 are some of my favourite steam locomotives off all time (if I ever win the lottery.. *sigh*) These and the NYC J3a with Dreyfus styling just about define the pinnacle of 20th Century industrial design,  The boiler detail on the BLI T1 looks much better than the Key one

Good for you!

G.

I'm with you "G", I would like to see an affordable NYC J3a Dreyfus Hudson produced in N scale. I know Con-Cor produced the 4-6-4 Hudson in N scale a number of years ago, but I don't believe they ever produced any with the Dreyfus streamlining.

Hiawatha, Thank you for the detailed history and information on the BLI T1. Unfortunately or maybe fortunately for me, this steam locomotive is just a little to big for my pike and a little out of my price range. I also have to say the Pennsy men are probably spinning in their graves right now hearing you call the tender trucks bogies  :smiley-laughing:   As someone famous once said, we are two peoples separated by a common language.  :laugh3:  All in good fun  :D

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Re: Show your Latest Loco and Rolling Stock Purchase - American N
« Reply #472 on: April 20, 2019, 10:39:13 AM »
Thank you all for your comments! :)



Hiawatha, Thank you for the detailed history and information on the BLI T1. Unfortunately or maybe fortunately for me, this steam locomotive is just a little to big for my pike and a little out of my price range. I also have to say the Pennsy men are probably spinning in their graves right now hearing you call the tender trucks bogies  :smiley-laughing:   As someone famous once said, we are two peoples separated by a common language.  :laugh3:

As I am not British, I am separated by a foreign language. I just try to write in British English as this is a British forum. If I were writing in an American N scale forum I’d try to use the American terms. ;)
I have known the same saying here in Austria before where we use Austrian German and not the German German. :no:
However, it seems to originally come from Oscar Wilde about the English language.

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I would like to see an affordable NYC J3a Dreyfus Hudson produced in N scale. I know Con-Cor produced the 4-6-4 Hudson in N scale a number of years ago, but I don't believe they ever produced any with the Dreyfus streamlining.

Con-Cor also did streamlined Hudsons which are affordable but look like cheap plastic toys – IMHO a waste of money. I never could bring myself to buy one. With their plastic rods and their detailing they look like they come from a Kinder surprise egg. ;)
The Hudsons can still be found on the Con-Cor website although they are long sold out. There was a newer version which at least has a correct (blue) NYC herald but otherwise they were unchanged (I think).



Although it looks just like one of my own mediocre attempts at photographing, that’s a Con-Cor picture from
https://www.con-cor.com/shop/n-scale-j3a-hudson-new-york-central-bullet-nose/

Maybe Kato will bring out the J3a as they have made a poll recently on the U.S. website where the streamlined Hudson with its train was the winner. The original Con-Cor Hudsons were made by Kato, so they should have the necessary plans and photos already.

Beautiful Dreyfus Hudsons have been made by Key Imports in 1938 and 1940 paint schemes and with boxpok or Scullin disc drivers. I would have like to see that Key not only manufactured the grey 20th Century Limited versions but also the black/corrugated stainless steel ones for the Empire State Express.



The T1 and S1 are some of my favourite steam locomotives off all time (if I ever win the lottery.. *sigh*) These and the NYC J3a with Dreyfus styling just about define the pinnacle of 20th Century industrial design,  The boiler detail on the BLI T1 looks much better than the Key one

Hi Grumbeast, I already knew that you like the J3a, S1 and T1 as I had read your post on another thread in the Continental area. I had to smile as this was not the first time you showed great taste in locomotives (the same taste as mine :D ), and I wanted to add a picture of the T1s and S1 there, thinking that I’d get my BLI T1 any day. But that was three months ago and I forgot in the meantime. But good that you have found your way into the American sector to see the pictures here. :wave:
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Re: Show your Latest Loco and Rolling Stock Purchase - American N
« Reply #473 on: April 20, 2019, 11:39:30 PM »

Hiawatha, Thank you for the detailed history and information on the BLI T1. Unfortunately or maybe fortunately for me, this steam locomotive is just a little to big for my pike and a little out of my price range. I also have to say the Pennsy men are probably spinning in their graves right now hearing you call the tender trucks bogies  :smiley-laughing:   As someone famous once said, we are two peoples separated by a common language.  :laugh3:

As I am not British, I am separated by a foreign language. I just try to write in British English as this is a British forum. If I were writing in an American N scale forum I’d try to use the American terms. ;)
I have known the same saying here in Austria before where we use Austrian German and not the German German. :no:
However, it seems to originally come from Oscar Wilde about the English language.


Hi Peter, I hope I did not offend you, I was just joking around with the trucks vs. bogies definition. If I did offend you, I apologize. I had completely forgot about Con-Cor producing a Dreyfus Streamlined Hudson. I agree with low detail and toy like appearance. You have to wonder what Jim Conway was thinking when he produced that model? 

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Re: Show your Latest Loco and Rolling Stock Purchase - American N
« Reply #474 on: April 21, 2019, 09:10:48 AM »
 Hello folks

When judging these ConCor (Kato) J3as, you have to remember that these originated around about 1975. Spookshow speaks highly of them as being locos that were advanced for their time and being one of the classics of N gauge steam. True, they had all their pipework moulded on and had plastic connecting rods, but they did have 5-pole motors, brake hangers, and tender as well as loco pickups. I have a non-streamlined version of one of these things which still runs well and looks good to me - but perhaps not so much under the magnifying glass.

I have to admit the ConCor Dreyfus Hudson looks a bit plasticky, but I'm also not a fan of their shape as it looks a bit like a 1930s rocket ship on wheels.

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Re: Show your Latest Loco and Rolling Stock Purchase - American N
« Reply #475 on: April 21, 2019, 09:17:07 AM »
I've thought that for years, but couldn't verbalise it! Thanks, Webbo!

Very art deco.
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Re: Show your Latest Loco and Rolling Stock Purchase - American N
« Reply #476 on: April 21, 2019, 07:54:38 PM »
Hi Peter, I hope I did not offend you, I was just joking around with the trucks vs. bogies definition. If I did offend you, I apologize.
I didn’t feel offended, so there’s no need to apologize (or apologise? ;) ), Rich. :no:


When judging these ConCor (Kato) J3as, you have to remember that these originated around about 1975. Spookshow speaks highly of them as being locos that were advanced for their time and being one of the classics of N gauge steam. True, they had all their pipework moulded on and had plastic connecting rods, but they did have 5-pole motors, brake hangers, and tender as well as loco pickups. I have a non-streamlined version of one of these things which still runs well and looks good to me - but perhaps not so much under the magnifying glass.

I have to admit the ConCor Dreyfus Hudson looks a bit plasticky, but I'm also not a fan of their shape as it looks a bit like a 1930s rocket ship on wheels.

I am surprised that Spookshow gives the Hudson an "A" grade. So it maybe was or is a decent runner, but even for 1975 standards it certainly can’t be judged as "Looks and runs great. Smooth, quiet and accurate to the prototype. Worthy of any operational fleet. State of the art" :-\ (Spookshow’s own definition of an A grade).

I know some of the N scale steam locos available in 1975 as my grandpa had the old versions of the Arnold BR 01 and BR 18 Pacifics, and later the Minitrix BR 52 2-10-0 (all introduced between 1968 and ’73). By modern (or even 1990s) standards they have crude boiler detail but all had metal rods which did look nowhere near as bad as the plastic Hudson rods. And I can’t remember them running that bad either. :hmmm:

I can see that the black, non-streamlined Con-Cor Hudsons look better but the streamlined versions with their lighter colours look extremely cheap and plasticky. However, they weren’t cheap: They were sold until the 1990s and were priced at $190 (!) in the Rail Baron Collection. :uneasy:


I didn’t know the Dreyfus-styled Hudson until I saw the Con-Cor model on the cover of a Kalmbach N scale book ("Beginner’s Guide to N Scale Railroading", 1990 edition). But even back then I noticed that the pictured model was awfully detailed, especially on the realistic module shown on the cover and inside. But the prototype certainly captured my imagination. I like the 1930s retro-futuristic design, just as I like the streamlined automobiles of the same period.
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Re: Show your Latest Loco and Rolling Stock Purchase - American N
« Reply #477 on: April 22, 2019, 06:24:08 AM »
My 40+ year old J3a is still a smooth strong runner after all this time. Here she is at 1/4 throttle pulling a 29 car freight train up a small grade. No problems there.



If they are hard on the eyes to some, the plastic connecting rods could easily be painted. I don't think they look any more unrealistic than shiny silver metal ones to be honest. When it came out, this locomotive was certainly ahead of its time with a split frame, 5-pole motor, and tender pickups that take the load of the wheels. I only have a couple of locos to compare it with from the time. One is a Minitrix K4 (4-6-0) with wiper blades on the tender axles (ugh!) and a 3-pole motor. As Spookshow suggests,mine runs at full speed or no speed which is a pity because I really like the looks of it. I don't know how far European prototypes were advanced at the time as Spookshow does not rate any of them.

Looks fine, runs well - the J3a certainly deserved its A rating when it was made and is a decent locomotive even today. I'm not a great fan of the shiny silver wheels on the pony truck of my Hudson, but these can be painted too.

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Re: Show your Latest Loco and Rolling Stock Purchase - American N
« Reply #478 on: April 22, 2019, 07:44:31 AM »
Well, I for one love the Art Deco look and most of the stream liners from the 30s, but for my most recent purchase, I got this last year but have only just gotten it out of the case now i’ve Got temporary power to the out main so I thought I’d share


She’s absolutely beautiful and runs like a dream

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Re: Show your Latest Loco and Rolling Stock Purchase - American N
« Reply #479 on: April 22, 2019, 08:44:50 AM »
Just as you'd expect from a Kato, Graham. I have one of these FEFs too. The J3a was one of its ancestors - grandfather perhaps?

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