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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #885 on: November 06, 2014, 09:46:30 PM »
Thanks, Martin. I'm out most of tomorrow and Monday. But, I plan to post pictures of the two trains to Wadebridge with wagons and vans for Trepol Bay via Port Perran (plus the completed office) and the Weaver Cove area, this weekend. Late Tuesday afternoon I plan to post both boxes. Then there will be nothing happening for 6 weeks.

The next step is to draw out on the baseboard and the first large scenic 'flat' where everything (track, buildings) will go, according to the plan. Tracklaying should then follow in January. I'm hoping my landlord (being a typical Czech guy with 'golden hands') will take care of all the soldering. i have 30 metres of wire which should be enough. I realise that will be a year since detailed planning but I have learnt a lot in the interim which might save me from making any terrible mistakes. I need to buy one point motor as a 'master' to mark out where they will all (eventually) be sunk in the insulation board surface. I'm hoping that I will be able to retrofit them without uprooting the track!
If you only want a point motor as a master, I have a damaged one (Seep) going spare if it would help .  Not sure if you are using Seeps but if so, you can have it.
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #886 on: November 06, 2014, 09:50:06 PM »
Many thanks, Martin. I have not decided which type(s) of point motor to use. Are you happy with Seeps? Have you any which are surface- or, better, sub-surface mounted? (Clearance under the baseboard is very limited.)

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #887 on: November 06, 2014, 10:03:02 PM »
I've used Seeps because they mount under the baseboard. I found that others which are surface mounted are a bit too obtrusive.
The Seeps take up about (roughly) 3/4 inch below the baseboards. I have used 1inch square timber as the surround and cross battens for my baseboards and this allows the motors to  sit neatly and not foul anything when operational.
Maybe the Seeps are a bit noisy and a bit harsh in action but they do the job well. They do, however, require soldering which was alien to me (hence the damaged motor!!). However, I managed it and if I can do it so can you (or your landlord).   I have some 15 point motors on Port Perran (and an associated maze of wire) but I am pleased with them and they work perfectly. I wired the whole of Port Perran just after Christmas last year and that required lifting all the existing points, drilling out the holes and fixing the motors and wires after the layout had been built and the track ballasted. So, you have the advantage of fitting the motors as you build. Much easier !!
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #888 on: November 06, 2014, 10:10:09 PM »
Thanks, Martin. As the layout is not intended for show, I could cope with the points being a bit noisy and a bit harsh in action, especially as they seem to be the cheapest option and I'd rather spend the money on getting more of my motive power DCC-fitted!

Having an insulation board base under the track I COULD surface mount my points. I still need to mull that over.

I remember you rebuilding Port Perran station but had not realised that you had wired the whole of Port Perran and lifted all the existing points, drilled out the holes and fixed the motors and wires after the layout had been built and the track ballasted. That is quite an achievement! I'm planning to make the track easily liftable wherever possible for retro-fitting points.

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #889 on: November 06, 2014, 10:24:11 PM »
Hi Chris in Prague and Port Perran,

Sorry but when you have the time could you explain to me the whole Weaver Cove, Port Perran, Cant Cove (and Penmayne) and Wadebridge relationship thing?

I dip in and out of the forum and have obviously missed something along the way and my tired, lazy, red wine fueled mind gets confused  :confused1:

Thanks weave.

(or is that weave cove - cant cope)

Cheers  :beers:

« Last Edit: November 06, 2014, 10:25:15 PM by weave »

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #890 on: November 06, 2014, 10:36:02 PM »
Hi Weave,

Delighted to explain. Martin (Port Perran) announced that he wanted to model a North Cornwall SR line extension to Trepol Bay from his excellent layout, Port Perran WR, at around the same time that I began work on another North Cornwall line (Cant Cove and Penmayne): SR with WR running powers which became fully WR. I am beginning with modelling the only station, Cant Cove, on this mythical line from Penmayne (across the River Camel from Padstow) to Wadebridge. (Penmayne is planned for the future, a sis, maybe Wadebridge). We decided that it would be nice to run 'through' trains and running them via Wadebridge makes geographical sense. So I have painted some duplicate wagons and vans in the livery of two of the businesses located near Cant Cove station: the Castle Estates and the Castle Brewery. Others, including Claverdon and Weaver Cove (also set in Cornwall) wanted to join in the fun so I have painted and sent them duplicate wagons, too. A big delivery is nearing completion for Trepol Bay and Weaver Cove. When deliveries are reading to be posted they are sent 'via Wadebridge'. Martin and I also have some common other rolling stock for 'through' trains, such as an ex-GWR BR Green diesel railcar. I hope that makes some kind of sense! 8-)

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #891 on: November 06, 2014, 11:38:50 PM »
Hi,

Think so...hic....

So you (Chris in Prague) model Cant Cove and Penmayne,

Port Perran models Port Perran and Trepol Bay,

jd models Weaver Cove,

john lambert models Claverdon

 and are you all just linking/swapping wagons/coaches or will the layouts ever meet?

Sorry if being thick.

Will have to print this and any reply as prob won't remember next time.

Thanks again weave

PS. Whose modelling Wadebridge?  :doh:  :beers:

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #892 on: November 07, 2014, 01:06:52 AM »
Hi,

Think so...hic....

So you (Chris in Prague) model Cant Cove and Penmayne,

Port Perran models Port Perran and Trepol Bay,

jd models Weaver Cove,

john lambert models Claverdon

 and are you all just linking/swapping wagons/coaches or will the layouts ever meet?

Sorry if being thick.

Will have to print this and any reply as prob won't remember next time.

Thanks again weave

PS. Whose modelling Wadebridge?  :doh:  :beers:

 :hmmm: Now there's a thought for you 4 -  TINGS 2016 should give you all time to get the layouts done, won't it??  :laugh:.
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #893 on: November 07, 2014, 06:39:42 AM »
Good morning Weave. Yes, that is correct except no-one (yet) is modelling Wadebridge although I would like to in the distant future when I will have more space; it will, probably just be a fiddle yard at the end of a scenic section added to the right of Cant Cove. A scenic section to the left would then run into the terminus of Penmayne (which is all planned: track and scenery). Incidentally, Cant Cove and Penmayne all exist in North Cornwall on the north bank of the River Camel but not as I will model them.

By having some duplicate wagons between us, we can run make believe 'through' trains. (I have a full working timetable, WTT, for summer weekends and summer weekdays based on Padstow in the early to mid-1960s with some WR trains added based on the Newquay WTT for the same period). Martin and I also have similar locos. and carriages which means that 'through' passenger trains are also possible.

Martin's layouts are actually in Cornwall but only Trepol Bay will be travelling. However, Cant Cove is in Prague so will be VERY unlikely to be travelling. Thus, the layouts will never meet in real life, alas.

Claverdon is set in Warwickshire and has through goods wagons and a van running from Cant Cove to Castle Estates' customers in the Birmingham area; however, Weaver Cove is set in Cornwall (and the model is in England, too) and, I believe, Jon is planning another layout set in the West Country? And I should not forget Descanso Farm, also set in Cornwall, which belongs to Mrs. Port Perran (Martin's partner) and that could, I believe, easily travel. So, Descanso Farm could, like Weaver Cove, also see through trains from Cant Cove running! The next logical area to have Castle Estates' goods stock running is Bristol.

Trepol Bay provides a link from Martin's (fictitious) Port Perran based deep in former GWR territory (near to the area between Hayle and Portreath) with the former LSWR "Withered Arm" at Wadebridge (hence my references to sending trains "via Wadebridge".

It is imagined that Port Perran connected with the former Chacewater to Perranporth/Newquay branch and there was also a line from Wadebridge to Newquay (which would have been a joint GW/LSWR line; the (also fictional) line from Wadebridge through Cant Cove to Penmayne was also ex-LSWR but with GWR running powers. This means that trains could run from Penmayne and Wadebridge through to Newquay and on to Truro or West Cornwall as well as much further afield. Martin's portion of the line assumes that Trepol Bay is halfway(ish) between Newquay and Wadebridge but on the coast. Penmayne and Cant Cove are both on the north bank of the River Camel and are served by both SR and WR trains, including passenger trains to Waterloo and Paddington as well as other destinations.

Martin is modelling a single line branch from the eastern edge of his existing Port Perran layout  terminating in a fishing port station named Trepol Bay. Trepol Bay has a small goods yard and an engine servicing siding. At a lower level (with a slight incline) there is a small port facility with sidings at sea level with a harbour alongside with various businesses, including the Castle Estates' agents' office. The Castle Estates, Cant Cove, sends and receives goods via Trepol Bay which has superior facilities compared with the more restricted harbour at Penmayne.

As a fishing port, Trepol Bay provides fish traffic and other general port traffic for onward transmission to West Cornwall (GWR) and up country (LSWR). One of the customers of the fresh fish landed at Trepol Bay is the chef at "The Station Hotel", Cant Cove.

As mentioned above, both Martin and I have a mix of former SR/WR locos and rolling stock and whilst Trepol Bay, like Port Perran, models the era of 1959-64 (very loosely), Cant Cove and Penmayne can run trains of the period from 1961-68 (approximately).
« Last Edit: November 08, 2014, 07:55:12 PM by Chris in Prague, Reason: Updated. »

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #894 on: November 07, 2014, 08:52:52 AM »
Thanks again for taking the time to reply.

 All makes sense now and will go back and read through it all when I have the time.

Know some don't, but I like timetables and I think they're a must. Makes destinations more real in the land of make believe.

Love Cornwall too although only been to Minehead in the north.

Happy modelling weave

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #895 on: November 07, 2014, 09:40:15 AM »
My pleasure, Weave. I totally agree that realistic timetables are must for making operations more real in the land of make believe. I wish that I had begun with a Working Timetable because then I would have bought the correct types of locomotives and in the correct amounts! (I spent a happy time, last Christmas, devising my WTTs.) I'm looking forward to running a full Summer Saturday's trains!

Now, I have enough stock for trains to and from Penmayne (running through Cant Cove) and all the locos., except SR 'N's which are coming out and more SR vans and wagons, some of which are coming out and some of which are available as N Gauge Society kits. A WR 1396 0-6-0PT and a 22XX 0-6-0 loco. (3205 that was allocated to Exmouth Junction) would both be nice, too!

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #896 on: November 07, 2014, 10:02:09 AM »
The Cornish Loco. Preservation Group members have finally been able to complete the last of the open wagons for Castle Estate services through Weaver Cove and the Fat Controller plus the photographer and his assistant were present to see the finished rake of three at Cant Cove loco. shed, this morning:


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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #897 on: November 07, 2014, 11:04:12 AM »
The wagons for Weaver Cove have been booked on next Tuesday's 11.10 to Wadebridge and a Class 35 has been rostered in view of the unusual length of the train. Connections through Weaver Cove have been booked by the Wadebridge yardmaster.

Here we can see Plymouth Laira's D7028 (sub-shedded at St. Blazey and often running from Penmayne) at the head of the Weaver Cove portion of the scheduled goods train to Wadebridge:



A close-up of the Castle Estates' (lighter blue) and Castle Brewery (weathered dark blue) vans and wagons with my weathered ex-LNER "Wadebridge" brake van:



A close-up of the BR vans:



And, lastly, a close-up of D7028:

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #898 on: November 07, 2014, 11:25:14 AM »
As ever, great painting/detailing and great pictures Chris.
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #899 on: November 07, 2014, 06:47:12 PM »
Many thanks, Martin. Tomorrow, I plan to post pictures of your wagons in the next Tuesday's 11.10 to Wadebridge, too. (Actually, they would be in the same train as those going on to Weaver Cove but the picture would be too long!) I look forward to the photos. of their arrival at Port Perran and Trepol Bay. This evening I bought two of the smallest paintbrushes that the plastic kit modelling shop had which should enable me to put paint only where I want it to go and avoid 'touching up' afterwards!

 

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