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Offline Portpatrick

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Re: Dapol Bashing
« Reply #90 on: August 29, 2011, 11:58:52 AM »
Seeing the comments that the non appearance of the twin HST power cars with no prior notice reminds me....

When the Britannia was announced I placed a prior order for Firth of Clyde.  As you may guess from my user name, this Sassenach's interests lie in the country of his paternal Grandmother's birth.  Then it disappeared from Dapol plans.  I raised this at one point on RMWeb - I was not in this forum at the time.  Dapol Dave reponded that they had publically deferred this model a few months earlier.  Given the current uncertainties of demand, and this loco would require a different tender, I was disappointed but not unsympathetic.  Since many of the class worked from Carlisle at some point in the early/mid 60s I will have another.

However where was it publically announced?  I trawled back though the Dapol website and also RM Web, but found nothing.  It made me wonder what is regarded as publically announcing.  So public that the obvious customer forums contained no reference.?  What is the public soucrce where we consumers might find out these things and reduce our disappointment oor for some, annoyance.  Perhaps such a source contains reference to the HSTs.

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Re: Dapol Bashing
« Reply #91 on: August 29, 2011, 01:32:15 PM »
However where was it publically announced?  I trawled back though the Dapol website and also RM Web, but found nothing.  It made me wonder what is regarded as publically announcing.  So public that the obvious customer forums contained no reference.?  What is the public soucrce where we consumers might find out these things and reduce our disappointment oor for some, annoyance.  Perhaps such a source contains reference to the HSTs.

A fair point well made. I have found the Dapol website to be poor when it comes to making their buying public aware of things. Having said that, when you look at the Farish site for availability dates then we move into the realms of pure fiction ::) I made a point of writing to Hattons to compliment them on their changed site as I believed it was an improvement and made things easier to find. Now, if only the Signal Box would do the same as I hate having to look through pages and next/previous to find what I want to see.

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Re: Dapol Bashing
« Reply #92 on: August 29, 2011, 04:22:08 PM »
However where was it publically announced?  I trawled back though the Dapol website and also RM Web, but found nothing.  It made me wonder what is regarded as publically announcing.  So public that the obvious customer forums contained no reference.?  What is the public soucrce where we consumers might find out these things and reduce our disappointment oor for some, annoyance.  Perhaps such a source contains reference to the HSTs.

A fair point well made. I have found the Dapol website to be poor when it comes to making their buying public aware of things. Having said that, when you look at the Farish site for availability dates then we move into the realms of pure fiction ::) I made a point of writing to Hattons to compliment them on their changed site as I believed it was an improvement and made things easier to find. Now, if only the Signal Box would do the same as I hate having to look through pages and next/previous to find what I want to see.

Yes indeed about Farish.  My point about the Ivatt 260 - which I want for its use on the Port Road - made near the start of this thread was one example.  I have had it on advance order from Hattons for some time.  Though I sense Farish have improved in recent years.  I had my Scot within 3-4 months of hearing it was planned, and superb it is.  The new 101 was only "announced" in the plans c a year ago.  This one on notification from Hattons; I am very tempted tp upgrade my 30 year old faithful.  Yes I also like their revamped website, and quite often their prices.

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Re: Dapol Bashing
« Reply #93 on: August 29, 2011, 07:05:53 PM »
Unless things  have changed in my absence , if Dapols website is poor for info , I would suggest that  the  Farish site is none existant for info . The Ivatt 2.6.0  has got to be the prime example .the tail wagging the dog **  In the world scheme of things , I don't think British models  are of great importance to the main manufacturers . Please , enough of all this 'knocking' , can we start a new topic/thread on how lucky we are compared with , say 20 plus years  ago . We must have in this forum so many able people/modellers so lets all agree on 'how' we can work together  to achieve improvement . I'll start the ball rolling , I'll welcome a few differant coaching/wagon stock in LMS days . If any member knows of a boffin who can do a 'patriot'  I'll kidnap them  . Cheers john .

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Re: Dapol Bashing
« Reply #94 on: August 29, 2011, 07:35:17 PM »
can we start a new topic/thread on how lucky we are compared with , say 20 plus years  ago .

Great sentiment.  I have been thinking something similar. 


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Re: Dapol Bashing
« Reply #95 on: August 29, 2011, 08:09:24 PM »
Please , enough of all this 'knocking' , can we start a new topic/thread on how lucky we are compared with , say 20 plus years  ago .
Oh come on... thats a pointless arguement  ::)

we need to look to the future and push ALL the manufacturers to solve all these stupid problems, I want British to be best - but thats not going to happen without pressure from the consumer. If any equipment fails - get on the phone and rattle some cages, it's the only way ! :evil:
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Re: Dapol Bashing
« Reply #96 on: August 29, 2011, 08:24:05 PM »
I think I'm lucky compared with 20 years ago. I now buy Kato, Athearn and Minitrix.
If there weren't any problems with British offerenings it would be very hard to knock them.

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Re: Dapol Bashing
« Reply #97 on: August 29, 2011, 09:35:48 PM »
we need to look to the future and push ALL the manufacturers to solve all these stupid problems, I want British to be best - but thats not going to happen without pressure from the consumer. If any equipment fails - get on the phone and rattle some cages, it's the only way ! :evil:

The problem I have with that is that the level of complaints (some justified and some clearly not) are out of all proportion with the actual problem.

Human nature is to complain, not to praise - so for every complaint how many satisfied silent customers are out there?

What worries me is that we are seeing people being put off buying perfectly good models because of negative comments.  I am the first to ask people to be honest when reviewing their purchases but sometimes things are going to far.  For example are people really serious about putting a Dapol HST on a Farish HST mechanism?  I am sure that *some* people will have received lemons, but that is fairly inevitable and we have to be able to put them into proportion (something that is very difficult to do).  The alternative is that we demand all models are hand QC'ed and accept the inevitably higher prices that ensue.

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Re: Dapol Bashing
« Reply #98 on: August 29, 2011, 09:49:23 PM »
we need to look to the future and push ALL the manufacturers to solve all these stupid problems, I want British to be best - but thats not going to happen without pressure from the consumer. If any equipment fails - get on the phone and rattle some cages, it's the only way ! :evil:

The problem I have with that is that the level of complaints (some justified and some clearly not) are out of all proportion with the actual problem.

Human nature is to complain, not to praise - so for every complaint how many satisfied silent customers are out there?

What worries me is that we are seeing people being put off buying perfectly good models because of negative comments.  I am the first to ask people to be honest when reviewing their purchases but sometimes things are going to far.  For example are people really serious about putting a Dapol HST on a Farish HST mechanism?  I am sure that *some* people will have received lemons, but that is fairly inevitable and we have to be able to put them into proportion (something that is very difficult to do).  The alternative is that we demand all models are hand QC'ed and accept the inevitably higher prices that ensue.

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but if we don't complain, the mistakes will keep appeering.... I agree with you about the QC, but most of the problems are at the design stage and once the accountants have had their say, a perfectly good model is left wanting. Yes, some people will be put off by negative comments, but thats what sites like this are for, if in doubt ASK ! There are always good and bad points to every product, but when it costs more the buyer wants his/hers moneys worth - who can blame them ?
« Last Edit: August 29, 2011, 10:10:20 PM by 4x2ybecauseican »
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Re: Dapol Bashing
« Reply #99 on: August 29, 2011, 10:08:10 PM »
Complain by all means.

Mention problems on forums by all means, but try to be balanced and not making sweeping statements.

The HST example is a real one (from this forum) where someone has been spooked enough by a couple of comments on here to question whether to use a Farish chassis.

The problem with value for money is that too often it seems we expect CJM quality at rock bottom prices.  It is all very well blaming accountants but the consumer also plays a part in what price the market will accept.



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Re: Dapol Bashing
« Reply #100 on: August 29, 2011, 10:13:26 PM »
Kato models are about the same price and they are always superb with hardly any quality control issues. Time and time again you will hear people who buy Kato models gushing with praise about them. How's that for a sweeping statement?
Just because British outline models are produced in smaller numbers is no excuse for poor quality, in fact it should be the opposite because there are less models to check.

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Re: Dapol Bashing
« Reply #101 on: August 29, 2011, 10:24:14 PM »
I think everyone has had a fair crack of the whip now so perhaps it is a good time to move on.

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