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Author Topic: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches  (Read 7282 times)

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Offline DavidK71

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Re: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2014, 02:19:25 PM »
The thing that impresses me is that the colours seem spot on... the livery is often is dodgey on RTR crimson & creams.

Thank you! :) I have agonized somewhat over the colours in the past, especially the crimson. What colour you actually see in a photograph is so dependent on what the light was like when it was taken. It is worth noting that the first coach in this thread is sprayed with exactly the same colours as all the others, but looks rather lighter due to being photographed with light streaming through a nearby window.

There is a very interesting book called "Great Western Coaches in Colour" (by Kevin Robertson) that compiles what little is known of colour images, and in many of these the crimson is more orange (like the Dapol Colletts) but not always. I have decided to not worry too much and use what looks right to me ;) The colour is good enough for Larry Goddard (a well known 4mm coach builder) so I'll go with that.

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Re: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2014, 06:06:23 PM »
I think the paints used back in the 1950s quickly faded, especially the crimson, which makes knowing just what the correct shade was very difficult, over half a century later.

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Re: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2014, 06:22:32 PM »
I think the paints used back in the 1950s quickly faded, especially the crimson, which makes knowing just what the correct shade was very difficult, over half a century later.

I believe that this was the reason that Carmine & Cream was abandoned in 1956

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Re: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2014, 06:27:18 PM »
Red pigments are notoriously unstable even today, just take a look at how many 'red' cars even as young as five years old start to go a delicate shade of pink if not cleaned and protected regularly ;)


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Re: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2014, 01:22:03 PM »
Really excellent models; I only wish I had the same level of skill.

Ditto, I am very envious!

Same here, I can only dream of turning out models of this quality
Diane Tape



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Re: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2014, 09:50:18 AM »
It's all about practice, and the patience to take each stage really slowly. Nothing else to it! :)

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Re: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2014, 11:54:52 AM »
It's all about practice, and the patience to take each stage really slowly. Nothing else to it! :)

And a generous dose of skill too. Don't sell yourself short.  :thumbsup:
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2015, 08:00:16 PM »
Time for a few more coaches ... First of all, another 70' Great Western restaurant car, in BR(W) colours. This is a diagram H.24 restaurant car, built in the early 1920s and then modified with bigger windows some time in the late 1930s. This is something of an unusual design for GWR, with completely flat sides and ends. The kit is a real mixture of bits and pieces: the underframe and some of the details are from Ultima, bogies and battery boxes from the 2mm Association, etched sides from Bill Bedford, roof from Masterclass Models, and the gas cylinders and the large roof vent I had 3d printed by Shapeways!




Also, two conversions of Dapol B-set coaches using sides from TPM: the first is a C.62 corridor third, and the second a K.40 full brake. The latter is unusual as the particular coach modeled was modified to have one end with an "offset" gangway that isn't in the centre of the coach end, as used by TPO coaches. I have an Ultima kit of a TPO coach to run with it, should I ever get around to building it ...


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Re: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2015, 08:12:22 PM »
Simply beautiful work. I've only just noticed the thread and had to log in to compliment such fine work.thank you for sharing the images. Graham

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Re: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2015, 08:17:46 PM »
Wow, and thrice Wow, David! :jawdropping:

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Re: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2015, 08:33:46 PM »
Amazing work.
Brilliant.
If it looks right then it most probably is right.


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Re: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2015, 10:04:34 PM »
Fantastic work!

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Re: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2015, 01:48:22 PM »
Great coaches.  Thanks for sharing your work.

I'd like a GWR buffet to run with my new Graham Farish Hawksworth coaches but I'm a little daunted by the need to get the various bits from different sources.  That's before I even get to stuff like painting, lining and glazing.

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Re: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2015, 02:00:28 PM »
Depending on the kit you choose, it may not be necessary to get all the parts from separate providers. BHE produce a Collett Restaurant Open (Diag. H.33) for 12.00 for a complete kit. You could even get the 9 version and complete it with Dapol RTR bogies. I think they use a clear plastic bodyshell which would save you the trouble of glazing it. Then you just need to buy a few extras like roof vents and underframe details (which I think they also sell).

For 9 you could almost buys it just to have a go with and only spend the rest of the money if you are satisfied with your initial progress. I would always encourage people to have a go as there is nothing more daunting than starting.  :thumbsup:
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: BR(W) ex-Great Western coaches
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2015, 03:42:03 PM »
I'd like a GWR buffet to run with my new Graham Farish Hawksworth coaches but I'm a little daunted by the need to get the various bits from different sources.  That's before I even get to stuff like painting, lining and glazing.
This is a tough one - really all there is is a cottage industry of little companies that pretty much consist of an enthusiast or two. Alan at Etched Pixels probably has the biggest range and has made the biggest effort to appeal to beginners with complete kits, but if you're after something specific you generally have to mix and match and figure it out as you go along.

I would say, though, that my H.24 restaurant car is a bit of an extreme example. I saw a photo and wanted to make the coach, and having made others I wasn't put off by there not being a kit available - I knew I could assemble most of the bits, once I found that Bill Bedford did the sides, and that I could figure out ways of making the rest.

I'm somewhat surprised that there aren't a few more kits out there for GWR restaurant or buffet cars - given the Dapol Collets and the Farish Hawksworths, there ought to be some sort of a market for one. Part of the problem might be Great Western's love of making lots of different buffet cars to different designs, some with six wheel bogies (a bit tricky) and some with recessed doors (very tricky).

As Karhedron says, the hardest bit is getting started, though. Building your own coaches is great fun, you end up with something different, and the main thing you need to invest in them is time and patience.

 

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