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Title: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on June 09, 2018, 07:39:57 PM
Hi all

I have finally settled on a layout design, location for the layout, a name (as above) and today I got all the track and point motors.

Layout design:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1759/28822684388_9e147b859a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KUXMUh)

The location will be within my bedroom, as space is perfect for it.
1200mm x 850mm

The name came to me randomly, I liked the idea of playing on another word with putting a prominent N in it to denote it being an N gauge layout.
I liked for some reason Odin as in farther of Thor, so I played around with it originally I was going for Nodin and then I thought Nodinson and since its going to have 1 big hill and a smaller one elsewhere, Nodinson Hills was born.

I am modelling late crest BR era 1957-1966 so I have a broad range to choose from, I just find the livery and crest of this era what I like.
Might throw a special train on occasionally for race days in preservation livery, probably one of the big 4.

It will be a DCC layout, once I have my DCC controller, I have decided to go with the NCE Power Cab.

I was intending to intially lay only one loop to keep costs down and then expand when the funds became available. With that I was going to manually switch frog polarity, but I decided to just buy it all in one go and get the point motors at the same time.
This will take longer to lay the initial track but it will be worth it in the end for a better result.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1740/28822627208_0cbd125141_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KUXuUq)
All my track, points, point motors, fish plates and 2 of 3 tracksetta (one is in the post from a facebook seller for the 12" one)

There is only 8 point for motors for 9 points, as 1 point wont be motorised and it wont actually be used its there for an abandoned siding, the top one on the inside loop, it will be well weathered, grasses and such sticking out.

Everything is Code 55 and electrofrog/unifrog.
I am using the new unifrog points for the left and right hand medium radius points, all except one which is classic electrofrog, this is currently on my testing loop which I will swap back in for a straight section of track as I intend to keep it as a running in loop.
These new unifrog points will be fun to use I think, I have never done DCC before and never soldered N gauge track so lots of fun and learning ahead.

Monday Is the day I buy and start construction on the baseboard.
I know a bit backwards getting the track first but a little trip to Hattons shop is easier in my car as its small (Citroen C1), I need to borrow a family members car to get the wood.

I cannot wait to get started and show you guys the progress going forward.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: Newportnobby on June 09, 2018, 10:28:12 PM
Don't rush things. Measure twice, cut once. Ask questions where required and, most of all, good luck and enjoy it!
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: Innovationgame on June 10, 2018, 06:36:57 AM
Don't rush things. Measure twice, cut once. Ask questions where required and, most of all, good luck and enjoy it!
Seconded!
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: GreyWolf on June 10, 2018, 06:55:34 AM
Thirded! I too went for NCE Power Cab ... though not used it much as track laying has taken some time  :doh:

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: Bealman on June 10, 2018, 07:45:32 AM
Looking forward to developments.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on June 10, 2018, 09:06:17 AM
Thirded! I too went for NCE Power Cab ... though not used it much as track laying has taken some time  :doh:

Cheers  :beers:

That's why I've not bought it yet, it'll take me a while to get the track layed and until I get the power cab I'll just go dc with my gaugemaster combi.


Thanks for the interest guys.
I can't wait to get cracking.
It'll take me a long time and that's what I am looking forward to most.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: weave on June 10, 2018, 09:13:59 AM
Morning,

Glad your excited to get going and looking forward to your build.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS. Thought your layout name was relating to the up and coming Football World Cup although you'd need 'it  :censored:' after Nod  :D. Sorry, I'll get me coat.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on June 10, 2018, 05:22:14 PM


Glad your excited to get going and looking forward to your build.


I'm always excited at a new project

Quote
PS. Thought your layout name was relating to the up and coming Football World Cup although you'd need 'it  :censored:' after Nod  :D. Sorry, I'll get me coat.

What is this 'football' you talk of? is it some kind of new locomotive that travels the world?
Not a fan i'm afraid, far from it, sweepstake in work i'll do as I've got a chance of winning some money  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: Newportnobby on June 10, 2018, 09:00:49 PM

What is this 'football' you talk of?

'Tis a game played by 11 people pretending it hurts, as opposed to rugby which is played by 15 people pretending it doesn't hurt (many thanks to Etched Pixels for that one)
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: weave on June 10, 2018, 09:25:58 PM
Sorry for a further thread hijack here but having played both in my youth I can certainly say that football injuries are far worse than rugby ones.

I know that 'soccer' professionals feign injury which is wrong but just to say that I'd rather have 6 blokes tackling me with their hands than one swinging his leg at mine in the heat of battle.

Yes a lot are overpaid prima donnas but not always.

Sorry, been there, seen it, no T shirt.

Thanks weave.

Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: The Q on June 11, 2018, 12:11:28 PM


Glad your excited to get going and looking forward to your build.


I'm always excited at a new project

Quote
PS. Thought your layout name was relating to the up and coming Football World Cup although you'd need 'it  :censored:' after Nod  :D. Sorry, I'll get me coat.

What is this 'football' you talk of? is it some kind of new locomotive that travels the world?
Not a fan i'm afraid, far from it, sweepstake in work i'll do as I've got a chance of winning some money  :smiley-laughing:
Not a new locomotive, an old one, the LNER B17 CLASS,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNER_Class_B17
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on June 11, 2018, 03:34:32 PM
The timber and ply has been purchased.

Due to an impromtue visit to the moving picture house to see some Jurassic creatures no construction has taken place.
I did manage to buy some copydex to stick the track down when I come to lay it.

Plus my dropper and bus wire has arrived, along with the Scot blocks for easy droppers.

I'll probably in the interim hour I have free before work most mornings solder some wires onto my point motors.
I'm going to follow the same idea I did last time which was to do short wires to a terminal block and then I only need to screw the actual wires from the switch and point into the terminal block
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on June 16, 2018, 06:05:43 PM
Update time.
Last week was track buying and discovering how to use these new unifrog points (simpler than I thought apparently)

The baseboard has been built, it is just requiring legs, ran out of time and energy for that today.

The baseboard is made from 9mm ply on a softwood frame of 20.5mm by 44mm. (1 by 2 in old money close enough anyway)
The legs will be made from 38mm by 63mm timber, a job for another day though.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1823/27968341667_a59f1907a6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JBt4zn)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1809/42788924682_dce717e662_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28c7qyJ)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1744/42837403811_58c502a696_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28goTHM)


The last photo shows the drilled out holes ready for the bus wires to go through, well big enough for more than a few 32/0.2mm gauge wire to go though.

Where the board is propped up against is where it will be living.

I am eventually going to go DCC with this layout, for now it will be wired for DCC but only using DC controller. This is mainly because I only own 1 loco currently, it will be a toss up between a new loco and getting the DCC controller when I am ready to do that.
I'll be weeks away from running trains tbh anyway.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on June 17, 2018, 06:23:31 PM
The Legs are on, it is also in its position

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1762/41047775210_e62a7a3ba4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25xfzuf)

It can be moved out when needed to get to wiring at the back, when it comes time to do that.


I'm going to use it as a work bench for soldering droppers to track before I actually lay any track on it.
 :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on June 23, 2018, 09:59:35 PM
Spent some quality time today with my railway.
Drilling holes for droppers, point motor rods and actually laying a bit of track, not glued down just yet but in place enough to run a test loco across what is down.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1762/41161948570_a131baacb9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25HkKfs)

Bus wires installed, I have left enough slack for attaching droppers and put the ends into 2 separate terminal blocks for now until I get my DCC controller and know where I am connecting up to.


(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1811/42253430444_98f44f4013_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27nMSMs)

Droppers atatched to the unifrog point, had to strip back a couple of sleepers but not much of an issue, can still connect up with rail joiners no problem, i'll find a way to blend them in with spare sleepers when I get to gluing track.


(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1821/42922597602_ce84c91dc9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28oVwSf)

I have 3 points installed, but not permanently fixed down, and one straight of track for a siding.
Due to how close the sidings turned out to be next to the outer loop I am going to adjust where the curve starts so I can make sure the engine shed isnt in the way of coaches turning on the bend.
If i start it 1 or 2cm further in I should not have any issues, that or i'll curve the siding slightly and then straighten up enough to allow for the two road engine shed.

I did a patch job to test the track I have laid and it works beautifully, my loco had no issue with the points and no loss of power over the unifrog points at all.
Once I have the track all down I will see how I do with the frog polarity switching from the PM-1 motors.

Until the next update, keep watching the railways.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on July 07, 2018, 09:32:31 PM
Not many updates recently but I've been hard at work with organised chaos over on the layout.




I have had a minor in the grand scale of things problem with my only electrofrog point and sadly it ended up becoming a test subject in Alex's lab of melting stuff by accident with a soldering iron.....
I will be replacing it soon, on that note I have had to put on hold laying the inner loop of the layout so it's onto the outer one for now.

Over the last 3 days I have laid and stuck down the section of track you can see in the video above.
The two sidings on the left of the video will have isolating sections at the end so until I go DCC I can store a loco in the siding whilst one is running and then swap it out whilst the other is in the other isolated section.
I will use a SPDT latching switch to control which siding is live. The isolating section is long enough for a 2 (maybe 3) car DMU to fit in in easilly so any steam loco will be fine.

I've had some trials and some testing of patience laying this track, I have had to take some time out and come back a few hours later and then things seem to work, maybe this hot weather doesn't help.

I've just got myself an LMS brake van, a 1st guard mk1 maroon coach and another mineral wagon from a model rail show.

The brake van I am thinking I may use it on my abandoned siding and weather it up a lot and make it look grungy and forgotten.
That or just remove the LMS decals and use it as is.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: paulprice on July 07, 2018, 09:40:49 PM
Remove the LMS decals you evil evil chap you
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on July 07, 2018, 09:42:26 PM
Remove the LMS decals you evil evil chap you

I cannot deny my evil intentions, I do model late era BR though    ;)
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: paulprice on July 07, 2018, 09:45:06 PM
Remove the LMS decals you evil evil chap you

I cannot deny my evil intentions, I do model late era BR though    ;)

that's just a rubbish excuse, I will definitely be keeping my stock away from you
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on July 09, 2018, 10:40:55 AM
After a little bit of playing with laying track I am going to have to adjust the baseboard not just the track placement.

I have found that my outer loop in one corner which is meant to be 3rd radius is actually as tight as a 1st radius.

I have spare ply in the shed from the build and I will be adding another 150mm wide by 650mm long piece onto the end.
It actually gives me more scenic variety as I now intend to have a raised town area in one corner and I can have a double tunnel portal under the town and then they diverge (no points just wider wider curves) and come out seperatly with some hills and such between, so Nodinson Hills will have its two hills easily now.

Due to not wanting to cut 15mm off the
 end of the board I already have a small overhang on one end which I can add support to without any extra hassle.

Wednesday will be the build day, so for now due to work restrictions all track laying is on hold.


(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1823/42391245165_24e754ce6d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27zYdik)

I have added a photo of the proposed add-on.
The black outline is the extra ply, the red/brown is the supports I intend to put across it. It wont support much weight but wont have to.

If you have any suggestions on improvements please let me know.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: Newportnobby on July 09, 2018, 01:32:13 PM
I think you've done the right thing. I use 1st radius for my little branch line with small electrofrog points but everything else is 2nd/3rd radius.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on July 11, 2018, 05:02:31 PM
Baseboard extension project is complete.
Well used day off and i'm happy as anything with the results.
Hats off to the amtech mini clamps for just being awesome and under £4.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1789/42440702675_8a098910d4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27EkGi2)

Track laying can continue.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: paulprice on July 11, 2018, 09:27:08 PM
With progress at this rate you will have loads of free time to finish of my layout
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on July 13, 2018, 09:46:52 AM
After the baseboard extension project was finished I had a mad afternoon of track laying, I was going to do it in sections but thought it would be easier just to lay the final half of the loop in one go.
So I did




I am so happy that this works as well as it does, for my first layout.
There was a slight shorting problem first thing this morning but that got sorted.

As you can see at one point and only one the loco slows down on a bend, it is not over tight as it is 3rd radius for sure.
I cannot see anything obvious to cause the slowdown but it only happens more pronounced going forward than in reverse.
I've cleaned the track with my rubbers and after work I may have a go with IPA, any thoughts?
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: Newportnobby on July 13, 2018, 11:25:37 AM
I'd suggest you have a go with the IPA, give it a few minutes for any residue to evaporate and then see if it still does it. I'm in the camp of very lightly oiling the motion on steam locos, especially tender drive models so if you have a precision oiler and some light oil maybe a drop on all connecting rods joints might also help
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: cjdodd on July 13, 2018, 03:18:39 PM
I'm not sure where you have your power droppers soldered to the track, but maybe check there is one near the corner you are having problems on.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on July 13, 2018, 07:51:39 PM
There is a set of droppers 2-3cm before the slow down on the same section of track no joins between it and power.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on July 19, 2018, 11:44:35 AM
Small update.

re-layed the track on one end of my outer loop yesterday, after leaving the copydex to go off completely overnight I am delighted to say that my loco goes round the curves without any issue at all.
On a side note I have got myself a nice little bargain loco from a facebook trading group, a class 25 'Rat' in BR green for £30.
Its the older tooling but i've got no thoughts about it being an issue with my layout.

Small hitch on laying the inner loop, the curved point I need is out of stock currently in both local model shops and one wont get it back in until monday or tuesday, I could order online but it costs more with postage.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: Newportnobby on July 19, 2018, 03:48:41 PM
I have 3 of the older class 25s and, though they whine a bit, I think they're pretty good. I'm of the school "if it looks like a class 25, it is a class 25"
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on July 19, 2018, 03:51:38 PM
I was after the class 04 he had initially but that went very quickly. The class 25 was one of the final ones he had and he reduced it from £40 to £30 and I was sold. Cannot wait to get it on the layout.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on August 10, 2018, 09:43:50 AM
Well here is the first ever running session on Nodinson Hills

As I have finished the main loops of track on my layout I decided it was time to run some trains.

The outer track has the BR black standard class 4mt pulling a small rake of two br maroon mk1 coaches.
The inner track has the br green class 04 diesel pulling a slightly longer rake of mixed freight.

I know at the moment they are going the same direction but when i've got my dcc controller it will all be separate as it is all wired up for dcc even on dc.



I have a 5 sidings to lay yet but at least now I can sit back and enjoy some trains running.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: Newportnobby on August 10, 2018, 10:04:20 AM
Yay! Trains running! :claphappy:
This is where progress slows dramatically (don't ask how I know :-[ )
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: Bealman on August 10, 2018, 10:06:51 AM
Thank heavens that point was set to the right!!!
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: port perran on August 10, 2018, 10:39:58 AM
Thank heavens that point was set to the right!!!

Agreed.i was certain that Standard 4 was set for disaster as it came around that first curve.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on August 10, 2018, 10:42:35 AM
Thanks guys, I did have a mishap with the cl04 the other day, I didn't have the inner loop finished and I forgot to turn the power off as it came to the end of the laid track haha
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: Bealman on August 10, 2018, 10:48:01 AM
I have lost more than one prized locomotive on a four foot plunge to a concrete floor.

Watch those baseboard edges!

Nobby's favourite beef, by the way,  so let's not get him started  ;)
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: Newportnobby on August 10, 2018, 11:49:28 AM

Nobby's favourite beef, by the way,  so let's not get him started  ;)

I'm watching you, Mister
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: paulprice on August 10, 2018, 09:17:24 PM
its missing some Crimson LMS engines :)
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on August 23, 2018, 08:30:23 PM
A busy day on Nodinson Hills.
A new loco arrived, br black pannier tank.
Back/side scene boards have been installed.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1853/30355811498_8434446b3d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Nfrtbj)

The support timber on the right is actually too high, I realised that where my town is going to be would be too high for them to access the railway effectively so I need to take that out and shorten it, other than that I am happy with today's efforts.

The boards are 3mm ply with a 5mm layer of cork on the back, I got them free from work when they took down some old notice boards, free is free, plus the cork protects the wall.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: Flakmunky on August 23, 2018, 09:05:03 PM
Looks great!
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: paulprice on August 24, 2018, 10:20:19 AM
its looking good
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on September 01, 2018, 10:03:34 AM
A test of the Nodinson Hills engine shed track isolation circuits this morning.
Been a busy morning and all before 10am.
Dog walked, breakfast had, bit of soldering and we have 2 isolated engine shed tracks.



(apologies about my shaky camera and my hands being in the way)

This actually ends the track laying for my layout.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: Bealman on September 01, 2018, 10:09:37 AM
We may have to turn that around a bit. It's either Spiderman driving the locos, or severe case of the old Triang Magnahesion!!  :thumbsup:

Good progress, indeed.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills
Post by: paulprice on September 01, 2018, 07:43:54 PM
Stop working on your layout and start working on mine
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills - Soon to be renamed
Post by: oncomin5torm on September 08, 2018, 09:45:02 PM
As can be seen by the name of the thread I will be renaming Nodinson Hills.

The name no longer sits well with me, I feel it does not do justice to what I am intending so I will be doing some searching and thinking on a new name.

I will do what I have heard many people do which is read road names and place names unique to their area and see if I can come up with something.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills - Soon to be renamed
Post by: oncomin5torm on September 17, 2018, 03:13:18 PM
Pretty big update for my layout, first bit of real scenery has been started.

From blank slate to plaster cloth covered hillside

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1893/29802157967_16d1c75a4d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MpvRgM)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1841/43830225905_3feff9d3d8.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29M8n96)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1844/44020314024_bac823025f.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2a4VBHs)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1875/29802154777_dd6df696b7.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MpvQjM)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1882/44689506422_ae7799b41f.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2b64piq)

Very happy with the results of my first time ever using this stuff.
£1 a 15cm by 3m roll from Hobbycraft.

Anyway back to my layout, once its dry I'll be painting it and adding the tunnel portals and the small bits which are missing between where the portals will be as this is a fairly tall hillside relative to where the tunnels are.

Plus i'm going to have a pub on the edge of the road at the top
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills - Soon to be renamed
Post by: paulprice on September 17, 2018, 07:51:34 PM
Great work, keep the updates coming
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills - Soon to be renamed
Post by: ColinH on September 17, 2018, 07:55:50 PM
Not to put a damper on your parade Oncominstorm but is that tunnel removable or can you get access to the track underneath it for when the inevitable happens and a loco stalls, a carriage or wagon derails?
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills - Soon to be renamed
Post by: oncomin5torm on September 17, 2018, 08:44:44 PM
Not to put a damper on your parade Oncominstorm but is that tunnel removable or can you get access to the track underneath it for when the inevitable happens and a loco stalls, a carriage or wagon derails?

No damper, I just need to tell everyone that there is a cutout on the left of the layout, just a poor angle on my photo, it is hard to see with it being right up against the cabinet so no light is getting in.
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills - Soon to be renamed
Post by: Biggy on September 17, 2018, 09:06:54 PM
Looking good. When you put a coat of paint on the plaster it will make it come to life even before any scatter or static grass. Gave me a real boost when I did my hills
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills - Soon to be renamed
Post by: oncomin5torm on October 05, 2018, 09:45:07 AM
Tunnel portal now has rock face connected.
Any touch ups I will do once the plaster cloth has dried and use filler to smooth edges as well.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1973/45062581432_eec12b94cd.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bE2vvb)

I had one slight mishap, once I removed the paper I was using to protect the track I found some runoff plaster cloth water or gunk had got onto the ballast and track in a big massive blob.
I removed it and thankfully it only messed up the ballast between tracks not the rails themselves so I can remedy this.

Tomorrow I will do some more work on the layout, possibly get the other end of the tunnel in near to where the station will be.



As of yet no new name for the layout has come to me
Title: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on October 13, 2018, 06:03:48 PM
More scenic work done today.
The white strip in the middle will become a road, the cliff to the left by the tunnel will be painted in a dark grey and with washes and such to highlight the crevices I have made in filler.

I am going to be having a mini waterfall which leads into a culvert under the road and will have a small stream flowing by the side of the road, which will go into another culvert under the lower section of road and again under the double lines leading off the layout, this way I do not have to cut chunks out of my baseboard to build a bridge.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1971/45294091491_0ae2bc9ce6.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2c1u4nV)

I have posted this on the facebook page too, sorry if youve seen it twice but I know some people arent on the facebook page that are on here.



The layout has had a new name chosen.

Welcome to Oakford Hills. With the Oakford Station serving the town of Oakford.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: paulprice on October 13, 2018, 07:20:53 PM
looking good
Title: Re: Nodinson Hills - Soon to be renamed
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 15, 2018, 09:01:45 AM
Looking good. Iíve just caught up from page one. Great progress so far. Iím looking forward to seeing scenics develop.

As can be seen by the name of the thread I will be renaming Nodinson Hills.

Iím glad you cleared this up on page 3. Having only just found this thread I re-read your first post a few times as the naming part didnít make sense. I have a newborn baby to contend with (4 days old) so I just assumed my brain wasnít functioning  :confusedsign: although your later post has restored hope that there is at least a little sanity left!  :dunce:
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on October 15, 2018, 12:01:32 PM
Looking good. Iíve just caught up from page one. Great progress so far. Iím looking forward to seeing scenics develop.

As can be seen by the name of the thread I will be renaming Nodinson Hills.

Iím glad you cleared this up on page 3. Having only just found this thread I re-read your first post a few times as the naming part didnít make sense. I have a newborn baby to contend with (4 days old) so I just assumed my brain wasnít functioning  :confusedsign: although your later post has restored hope that there is at least a little sanity left!  :dunce:

Congratulations on your new born.

No your not seeing things, I thought it renamed the entire thing until I noticed it depends on which reply you click quote or reply to.

Thanks, I've just removed the masking tape from the tunnels, a few small touch ups and I think a bit of scatter could be in order at some point in the week.
I removed the tape so I could run my new class 108 DMU in BR green.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on October 22, 2018, 05:47:13 PM
Oakford station up platform is now complete.
On the non-ramp end it will have steps up to the ticket office in Oakford town itself.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1971/45447406272_79544a3bbe.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cf2Qwd)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1931/45498390921_9d9a4b22a3.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cjx9tT)

One side note, I'm not happy with Metcalfe not using the same colour on the pre-sticky patching paper as on the main platform top.
Other than that in very happy.

I will be making a pent roof shelter on the platform as well, just a little brick built thing, recessed into the corner where the platform gets narrower.

It's only a 3 coach platform on the up line and the down platform will be smaller again at only 2 coach. Mostly being served by a 2 car class 108 dmu
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on October 23, 2018, 05:21:13 PM
Oakford now has an up and down platform.

I have set a little scene to show a busy day at the towns station.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1952/30579981297_de9cab513d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/NAfp3R)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1903/30579979967_d045f2b68d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/NAfoDV)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1937/30579978147_e25a47199c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/NAfo7x)

The up platform has a small 3 coach train pulled by a Class 4MT standard tank engine, the down platform has a local service comprised of a 2 car Class 108 DMU.
There is a mixed goods rake pulled by a Class 04 Diesel, waiting for the line to be clear before it can embark on its journey.

The platforms have added an extra dimension to the layout.
Next steps are track weathering and ballasting, BEFORE I build the second covered area which is where the town will be.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on October 26, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
Well a major decision time has come upon me.

I am a bit concerned about mistakes I have made with track laying on this layout.
Initially I was OK with the kinks and such on the track but these have become problematic. My points straight after a curve are causing me headaches with locos derailing.
Rushing headlong into building my hillside and not putting any ballast in before that has caused problems since I have tried to ballast once the main hillside was in and the sections in the tunnel mouth has not ballasted well and is now causing problems for some locos to run over as they slow down if not stop entirely.

The 3 points at the top left of the layout are causing me no end of problems, they seem to be the main culprit of the issues, the inner track join to the point is where it has deformed and is just not connected properly at all. Some locos are fine with it but some of my rolling stock and locos just hate it.
I also want to move the crossover further up as this will cause problems for me with point motors, not realising exactly how big the motors were when I designed the layout they would clash where the point are parallel with each other on opposing tracks.

Also some joins are just causing problems as when trying to fit them I made a few mistakes on cutting so trimmed too many sleepers and now have had some loss of structural integrity to the track which has caused warped joins.

I have done a slight redesign to the plan to allow for the points to sit away from the start of a curve, and also added in a way 'off' the inner loop back onto the outer one.
After looking at the layout in front of me I could get away with the point on the inner loop that is going into the curve on the lower left as this seems to not have deformed at the join with the curve.

Current Plan
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1920/45515532802_9e94a9bf48.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cm41ay)

Redesign
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1913/31693414818_0b1d90a2a8.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QhD33w)

The main thing I think holding me back is the fact I will have to remove the hillside. If I do this properly I could just pop it back on to the layout once the new track is laid.

I think I have come to the decision that I will do this but I am still wary and after asking on the Facebook NGauge Forum group that a few people have already done this.
Just after getting to this stage in 4 months I am now thinking of taking most of the track work out is kind of scary.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: Innovationgame on October 26, 2018, 03:23:52 PM
Dont worry too much.  I'm afraid that most of us have been there and that's how we learn!  Chin up, as they say.  You just have to grind on until the next problem sets you back again.  I don't mean to be discouraging.  It's solving these sorts of problems that makes it all interesting, or at least challenging.  :beers:
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 26, 2018, 03:54:17 PM
I think now that youíve ďdecidedĒ youíll never be happy with the existing track now that youíve highlighted the niggles. As Martin says, itís all part of the fun! Donít be discouraged just take it as a positive that youíre building a really good layout that youíll enjoy for a long time!  :beers:
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on October 26, 2018, 04:40:14 PM
Thank you guys, after that post I have come to the realisation that I think a complete redesign of the track would be better, almost a starting from scratch.
The basic shape is fine I think I need to move thing round and see what I can do.

The basic design was from Simon's Shed and I modified it, I feel its a great design I just want more of my own touches on it, I have limited myself with putting the station in a specific place because that's the design I modified.

A big project this is (as yoda would say)
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: Biggy on October 27, 2018, 07:49:21 AM
 As others have said this happens. I relaid and adjusted my track design five or six times before it felt right and ran reasonably well.
I am sure you will find you have learnt a lot from the first attempt and will achieve better results. Importantly you will have a layout you are happy with which is vital for enjoying the hobby long term.
Looking forward to seeing your progress. Keep going and enjoy.
As my Dad likes to say. ďYouíre not supposed to finish a layout thatís the fun of itĒ
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on November 03, 2018, 06:21:32 PM
Well I did it, After a week of being disheartened by my layout and needing to rip up some track and the hillside I had built, I cracked on with it today.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1959/43882957140_e99ebaf064.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29RMCij)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4875/45650229832_9e8d91a17b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cxXmU9)

I will need more flexi and a couple of extra points to change the design to the way I need it to be.
When it comes to doing the hillside again I will be doing it lower as that one was just a bit too high.

I will ballast BEFORE I build the hillside this time round, I wont use short lengths of track and my points will not start right on the end of a curve.
All things I have learnt from making this layout.
The wiring is now being done simpler than before, as I am sticking with DC and not intending on going down DCC at all becuase I do not think I can afford the control system and then all the decoders.

That is all guys for now, It might be a few weeks before I can get cracking with the next set of track laying as I need to buy the flexi because I only have 1 length left.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on December 03, 2018, 08:25:04 PM
Update time at Oakford Hills.

It has been a while due to work commitments and life in general, plus waiting for track deliveries to arrive.
The two main running lines are down and after some Sunday night emergency relaying after I discovered I didn't actually know how unifrog points work (I thought they were like insulfrog and had power routed only when point blades were switched)
All track is now back down and insulated joiners where required have been fitted.

It has all been Dapol 9F tested, so if that runs on it most things will.
The next step is to put in the double engine shed roads, which will have multiple isolating sections so i can accommodate more than one engine in the shed area at one time, the length of track leading to the engine shed is actually long enough to hold multiple 0-6-0 locos or a 2 car DMU with ease, the shed is big enough for the 9F to sit in comfortably.
I have also got to lay the internal sidings too, they may end up being changed from the original 3 sidings down to two, as I may have changed my plans for the abandoned one, keep watching to see what I decide to do.

I will be posting in the 'show your new locos' post the photos but I am having to invoke rule 1 on my layout for my latest two locos, Graham farish Class 66 and Dapol 4472 flying scotsman, my second scotsman, I have an older poole era farish one too.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: Leon on December 03, 2018, 09:31:15 PM
Update time at Oakford Hills.

I've just completed reading this thread and look forward to future posts. I'm even more interested after your last post. I've limited myself to DC so your accomplishments will be even more relevant to me. I enjoy reading (and watching video) about DCC layouts, but a lot of the posts are too technical for my complete understanding.

I'm impressed by how quickly you work. I'm rather slow and methodical - to my detriment. I'm just eight months into my project - from concept to design to track laying and completion of basic landforms. I'm actually further along than I expected to be when I started. I planned on a two-year project before realizing I'll never finish it! Two things I've realized are 1) there will still be problems when the project is complete, and 2) many of those problems are related to mixing rolling stock from different manufacturers. I've elected to us only Kato track and points, but some locomotives and/or coaches and wagons don't like the track geometry (that after I've altered many curves and removed a few tight points. As someone else has said, all of this is part of the interest in the hobby. I don't expect to see trains running without some problems or scenic design satisfying my expectations - but I'll keep trying!

Your photos and video are really helpful and greatly appreciated, so keep them coming!

Leon
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on December 06, 2018, 07:03:51 PM
A busy day today, I have made full use of my day off work.

This morning I laid and glued the internal sidings, I have had to change the number of sidings and their position.
When I did the change of the position of the points after the curves of each loop I ended up having to shorten the sidings, this also in turn changed the position of the second point on the sidings and it would have fallen on the baseboard support so I decided to drop one siding and have just a 2 road.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4864/32334673008_4764330eea.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RgiDLd)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4838/46206753271_9fbee3fd42.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dp8FVR)

You can see from the old outline from track weathering how much distance the sidings have moved and that there used to be three.

The rest of the day was spent aligning up the track for the two road engine shed at the front of the layout, this was a troublesome exercise but I have managed to get it done, so glad I over ordered on the last order of flexi as my off cuts I had left from the rest of the layout tended to be a few mm short.

The main challenge for the day was correctly soldering droppers to the underside of the track, getting it wrong and having to gouge out a small gully in the baseboard to accommodate the feeder wires.
As I have decided to stay DC for the foreseeable I have opted for isolated sections on all of the sidings, I have done this so I can store locos on the layout and not have them going for a merry little jaunt out of the sidings whilst I am running stock.
The engine shed has 2 isolated sections per road, one runs from the point all the way to just outside of the engine shed and the other is inside the shed itself, this allows for a little bit of play and I can store 2 or 3 locos whilst one runs, on the inner track I can store 1 and run another desperately.

To control the isolated sections of track I have ordered myself 3 on-off-on switches, this way I can control power to one or the other off the same switch without having one constantly under power, so I can completely shut down the power or power either one, it also means less switches.

That is actually all the track laid down now, the next major job is ballasting, oh joys.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: Newportnobby on December 06, 2018, 09:27:21 PM
Sounds like very steady progress but.............

I can store 2 or 3 locos whilst one runs, on the inner track I can store 1 and run another desperately.


I reckon the last word should be 'separately' although some of my running can be desperate, too ;)
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on December 06, 2018, 11:12:17 PM
Sounds like very steady progress but.............

I can store 2 or 3 locos whilst one runs, on the inner track I can store 1 and run another desperately.


I reckon the last word should be 'separately' although some of my running can be desperate, too ;)

Your not wrong, separately would be better but they may well end up running desperately too.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on December 27, 2018, 06:53:08 PM
Update time.

Ballasting has begun at Oakford Hills.

I am using fine brown Javis ballast (I think) I swap ballast over into a clip lock type pot for safer storage so I dont have the bag anymore.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4914/46489468221_55d0a0169a.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dQ7Fex)

This is the second section to get the ballast treatment, the first was a siding which was done yesterday, I advanced onto the main running lines today.
From the photo you can see a small gap in the ballast, this will be under a hillside, I have done some ballasting under the hill so it can be seen when looking into the tunnel portals.

In the photo you can also see my two aids to ballasting.
Thanks to christmas we have an empty duck fat jar, I have washed this out and cleaned it and now use it for pva/water mix for ballasting, the next item is the fry light spray bottle, whilst it is fairly powerful it can be used to good effect by not spraying directly onto the ballast, if sprayed over the track paralell with it then the mist lands on the ballast without moving it at all and then the ballast is wet and the pva/water mix can be applied. For applying the pva/water I used a pipette, I have a very large bag of over 100 of them for naff all thanks to fleabay and cheapo chinese imports.

I will slowly work my way round the rest of the layout and carefully work on the points.
Once all ballasting is done I can finally get back onto scenic land areas.

Catch you in 2019 guys
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: Newportnobby on December 27, 2018, 09:36:27 PM
Another user of fine brown ballast thinks it looks good :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on January 12, 2019, 01:01:18 PM
Update at the layout.

All ballasting has been finished, even inside the points, a scary moment but I carried on and now I am fitting point motors and that's a blast  :censored: :censored:
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on January 31, 2019, 10:28:44 PM
It's been a while since my last update, earlier this month.

Well a pretty big thing happened, I have actually gone down to what some consider the dark side, DCC.

Managed to get my hands on a white z21 for £80, I have chipped 3 locos, 4mt standard tank engine, class 66, and class 58, I will be chipping my black 5 at the weekend and then slowly doing the rest of the locos, class 108 dmu (so two decoders yay), flying scotsman, then the challenges start, a class 08, 04, and pannier tank, those will need smaller decoders but not impossible.

I had a few teething problems with the z21 but they were sorted out thanks to a fantastic bit of help on a facebook group dedicated to the z21 and dr5000.

All point motors are fitted, working, and wired up to the CDU, at the moment I am having to keep my gaugemaster combi plugged in for the accessory power output but eventually that will be replaced with something more appropriate for the powering of the points, or I may very slowly DCC my points.
I have to fault find on one point, which is part of a passing loop, for some reason it appears to have stopped throwing, I may have knocked one of the terminals but then the other end of the loop would not still throw, as I said a little bit of fault finding in the light of day and not after 6 hours of messing with my z21.

Scenic work will be commencing in the coming days, I'm beginning with hillsides, yes that's right, two of them, one will not just be a hill with no road or anything the other will still be a corner of a town and the station building.

I'll keep you guys updated as I go along.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: Innovationgame on February 01, 2019, 07:48:25 AM
I hope you'll be really pleased with DCC.  Not only does it make operating the trains more fun, but you can group points together to make routes, which means a single route can move a train right across your layout.  It might be worth considering converting your point motors to Cobalts which can change the frog polarity reliably and, also, both points in a crossover can be given the same DCC address so they change as a air.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on February 01, 2019, 08:35:03 AM
So far it's good.
Pain in the backside to setup the z21 as previous owner changed the IP address so I couldn't get it to work for hours.

The cobalt would be great, at the moment maybe too expensive for me that's all.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on February 02, 2019, 06:50:28 PM
A full productive day over at the railway.

I hard wired in a decoder to my black 5, I'm really made up with that as I did it without any assistance or asking for help.

I also noticed within one set of points I had missed ballast out so I have done a tiny bit of ballasting today too.
I started scenery on one side of the layout, particularly the land form.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7803/46909231462_727ef74f91.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2etd5dN)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4846/46909230392_f644e91a1c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2etd4Um)
I re-installed the tunnel portals, added an extra bit of ballast inside the tunnels where I had missed before the portals where in place.
(You can see my star wars mug too, topped up with tea, the only thing keeping me going)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4876/46909229792_c5f58759ee.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2etd4J1)
I used a thin but strong piece of card, from packing of many bathroom items we have had delivered, to form the main base for the hillside, with enough clearance to be above the tunnel portals and so it sits on the corner support made from wood.
This is the dry fit photo, just to see where the front supports would go, in the next I have moved one support to the rear to allow for more overall support rather than just at the front.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4912/46961208131_c0786f3931.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2exNt5g)
I have also glued them in place, just using cheap PVA.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4845/46961206851_b67fd0604c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2exNsGc)
The dry fit of what will become rolling hillside, in the next photo I have glued and added more to the lower section to plug a few gaps.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4835/46961205801_898fab0221.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2exNso6)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4860/46961204871_070ceda82c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2exNs74)
The finished article, I have added thick card to the top to make what will become a nice rolling hill which will be covered in some trees, maybe even a sheep or two.

On the previous iteration of this hillside, see earlier posts, I used plaster bandage to make the overall hill shape, this time I am trying something else which people have recommended, and I have read it in Model Rail too, using kitchen roll soaked in dilute PVA.

I will be trying this tonight.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: paulprice on February 02, 2019, 06:54:54 PM
Looking good, you will have to lend a hand on the scenics on my next layout
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: Bealman on February 02, 2019, 07:17:30 PM
It is indeed looking good. A substantial framework for your hillside.  :thumbsup:

I do have a small concern - that track leading off the point near the Star Wars mug in the second picture has a pretty noticeable kink in it.

All stock run over it OK?
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on February 02, 2019, 07:39:56 PM

I do have a small concern - that track leading off the point near the Star Wars mug in the second picture has a pretty noticeable kink in it.

All stock run over it OK?

I ran some stuff over it yesterday with no noticable issue, I no longer own a first batch dapol 9F, that would have balked at a breath of fresh air.
If I have issues I'll have to deal with it, I'm not sure how that kink appeared, I'm guessing the copydex has a little too much play in it and allowed the track to move before it cured fully.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on February 02, 2019, 08:13:17 PM
A very short space between updates on this one.

Really has been a full day today.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7898/32021076557_b38876f4a5.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QMAosR)

I have tried the kitchen roll method mentioned above, it seems pretty good to me, very cost effective as the amount of hillside you see covered in the photo done in plaster bandage would have been a roll or more already and they are £1 a go, not a huge saving but imagine doing an entire layout. The roll of kitchen paper has cost me around £1 and i've used maybe 8 sheets cut into small strips.

Once tried and extra layers added to contour properly I am positive this will look the bees knees.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: Bealman on February 02, 2019, 08:15:58 PM
Good to hear.  :thumbsup:

I was thinking more in terms of stuff like lightweight Peco wagons?

The paper towel hillside looks good, by the way  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on February 07, 2019, 01:47:46 PM
Update on the hillside.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7895/46292418914_45b044bbaa.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dwGKkG)

First pass is done, after it took 3 days to dry properly I noticed it was all too angular so I have cut back some of those angles with a craft knife and bulked out the edges with some news paper and kitchen roll.

I have added some rolled up and bunched up news paper to some of the very flat areas to build up layers without using an entire roll of kitchen roll.

It sets like rock with a pva/water mix, it wont stand up to loads of punishment but it will be strong enough to paint and add scatter and static grass to.
Now I will wait and see if I feel I need to do some more layers and adjusting.

I'm going to make a start on the other hillside, this one will have a corner of Oakford Hills actual town on it, the rest will be backscene.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: Biggy on February 07, 2019, 04:52:21 PM
Looks very good. Looking forward to seeing it finished
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on February 17, 2019, 09:29:09 AM
Hello fellow railway people  :wave:

I have spent some time yesterday doing some more work on my hillside and now a cliff face on the town side.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7898/33245743668_b3a75c6b6d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SDP8k3)
As you can see I have changed tactics on the construction.
I have reverted back to a more traditional newspaper soaked in dilute pva style, I did this because I was struggling to make the hillside flow, it was becoming very angular. Using scrunched up newspaper I have added some lumps and bumps to the hillside to give it a more natural look, If I was modelling a quarry the original look was fine but I found this much better it has given me the correct type of terrain I was looking for. Originally I was only going to do the sections over the scrunched up newspaper but I found the join between kitchen roll and newspaper was too obvious so I proceeded to cover the entire hillside in it.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7858/32179094487_1e0d776b48.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R2ygFV)
This section has been made with a small retaining piece of card inside so no newspaper would end up getting pushed into the path of the track (clearances were tested) I then folded and scrunched up newspaper to fill the gap, this also gave me the look of a small rock face without really meaning to, I was intending to put a full retaining wall on this section but now I am quite happy to paint it up like a rock face and leave it at that.
On the lower left of the picture you can see the trackside building I got a little while ago, it was bought 2nd hand, pre-built metcalfe kit, I have cut out some ballast to let it sit close enough to the track so loading can happen, I am going to extend the small loading platform a little further down towards the end of the siding, just so more wagons can be loaded at once. I am unsure at the moment what the second siding will be but it will probably be mostly a storage siding, I may put a small office building or something there maybe a tea hut  :idea:

The pva and newspaper mix dried one hell of a lot quicker than the pva and kitchen roll did, it does not have the rigidity of the kitchen roll but it will work well once painted and covered in scatter and some grasses.

On a side note I have also built a small diorama for displaying locos and taking photos of them on whenever I get any new ones.
It is a raised embankment on a small bit of ply which I will also use to practice some scenic detail techniques on.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: port perran on February 17, 2019, 09:41:00 AM
Looking good.
Can I ask what you are goung to use for the surface on the hillsides etc ?
And will the hill continue upwards in the second photo where the box of cutting blades is sitting?
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on February 17, 2019, 09:51:30 AM
It will mostly be as it is painted brown as a base colour, have different coloured scattered applied and maybe some rocks, some sections will be bare rock so sandstone colours as that is the area I am modelling.
The other hillside is actually the corner of a town, it will house the station building, access to the platforms is via a footbridge, I am thinking of having some low relief houses on the back and maybe a church on the front near the tunnel portals, that or a folly.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on February 17, 2019, 08:21:30 PM
Follow up to this morning post on the continuation of my hillside.
This is a base coat of burnt umber from the range.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7821/47074849042_8ba419d4bf.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eHQUyj)

It will require a second coat once this is dry and then I can possibly think about scatter material.
I think I might just be painting the backscene in a pale sky blue colour to be honest not putting a traditional one on with more hills, not on this side of the layout anyway.
The other end will have a town scene for sure as it goes with the edge of town I am building.
I am thinking about possibly putting trees near the top and hedges further down, sheep or cattle on the fields, maybe even a farm at the bottom to fill in more of that corner of the layout at ground level
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on February 21, 2019, 08:05:37 PM
A slow start to the scenery today due to other things round the house needing to be done, then this evening it just took off and here we go.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7869/32227629917_5ce1611d35.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R6R2zF)

Filled in the gap between the two tunnel portals, before this I painted up and glued down the wing walls for each portal, I am unsure how the area to the left of the left hand portal will be so I have not put on here yet.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7852/32227628327_191e180d94.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R6R27g)

Good old papermache applied to give the cliff/hillside look, It's amazing how much just applying the news paper does to the overall feel of the layout.


(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7907/40204528063_50446463a5.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24fJHuk)

This was the most drastic work I have undertaken today, probably why I was reluctant to start because I am changing a portion of one corner into having the track in a cutting. I realised that unless I put a level crossing in I wont have any road access to the middle, so I decided upon a bridge, which necessitaed this change in the gentle slope into a cliff face, which may have a retaining wall all along it I have yet to decide on that yet.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7830/32227626237_769b77fcbc.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R6R1ue)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7858/40204526953_529c99a1f3.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24fJHac)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7843/32227624687_e5c4ecd2b4.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R6R12v)

This shows the area with the bulked up cliff area, I used some trusty mega thick cardboard I had left from other things. Once I have the bridge installed (got to buy it yet) I will know exactly how and where the rest of the bulking out will go, as I will also require a road surface too.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: port perran on February 21, 2019, 08:23:50 PM
Looking good.
I do love the messy stages before things really start to take shape.
My one concern is.......can you get access inside that tunnel if you get a derailment inside ?
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Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on February 21, 2019, 08:25:18 PM
Looking good.
I do love the messy stages before things really start to take shape.
My one concern is.......can you get access inside that tunnel if you get a derailment inside ?
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Indeed, check previous posts as I have adequate access to both hillsides, I just move the layout from the cabinet and hand goes in.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on February 23, 2019, 08:25:45 PM
I was a happy fella today when the postie dropped a little parcel through my door, no not £1,000,000 cheque but my bridge I was expecting. I cannot find fault with trackshack at all, ordered my item on Thursday night and its here Saturday before midday, first class service and quality items.

I have spent the rest of the day (despite chopping a load of logs up for the fire for next year) painting and building my double track bridge for the redesigned corner of the layout.
Using 20/000 (no idea what size that is) plasticard I formed the roadway on the bridge, googled the width of some premade roads in N gauge and came out with 40mm so thats what I cut it to.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7850/40224471983_6b07efd91e.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24huW82)

I used metcalfe brick sheets to form the main body (no idea what its actually called) under the bridge itself, for ease I formed the main arch out of one strip and the uprights out of two seperate ones as I did not fancy bending the arched bit and then coming into a 90 degree turn down in one piece.
I think it has come out excellently and now I can continue with landscaping as I now have a reference point to build the rest of the landform from. It cant be seen in the photos but I used a black watercolour pencil to darken the underside of the arch on the bridge, because it would get soot and diesel exhaust on it.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7831/40224471183_bf4b7cba45.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24huVTe)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7811/40224470513_0221e7b2f0.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24huVFF)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7864/40224469903_7e5d08f18d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24huVva)
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: dannyboy on February 23, 2019, 08:49:07 PM
You could be really clever and line the inside of the bridge with brick sheets.
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Sorry.  :)

It does look good though.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on February 23, 2019, 09:03:32 PM
You could be really clever and line the inside of the bridge with brick sheets.
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Sorry.  :)

It does look good though.  :thumbsup:

I hope you mean the inside edge at the top by the road because I already did the inside at the bottom.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: dannyboy on February 23, 2019, 09:09:35 PM
My apologies @oncomin5torm (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6779) . When I looked at the pictures I did not magnify them. Now that I have done so, I can see that you have used what appears to be the red brick paper. (And if I have got that wrong - I'm off to get a bigger spade for this hole wot I am digging  :)). Whoops!  (I blame my age and eyesight :-[).
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: oncomin5torm on March 08, 2019, 07:13:03 PM
I don't know how many of you guys are on the facebook group tied to this forum but for those of you who are not I have stopped modelling in N, this layout has gone to a new home and I will not be updating this thread anymore, if an admin wants to lock it or delete it please feel free.

Thanks
Alex
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: Newportnobby on March 08, 2019, 07:49:20 PM
Anyone using the Facebook site know why Alex has stopped N gauge modelling?
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: nookfield on March 09, 2019, 12:44:50 PM
Anyone using the Facebook site know why Alex has stopped N gauge modelling?

Yes
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: weave on March 09, 2019, 06:54:47 PM
Anyone using the Facebook site know why Alex has stopped N gauge modelling?

Yes

Thanks for the input nookfield. Obviously something's happened and I think NPN was just showing concern.

Maybe not so I'll leave it there.

weave.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: Newportnobby on March 09, 2019, 08:28:39 PM
Anyone using the Facebook site know why Alex has stopped N gauge modelling?

Yes

Thanks for the input nookfield. Obviously something's happened and I think NPN was just showing concern.

weave.

Correct.
Title: Re: Oakford Hills
Post by: nookfield on March 09, 2019, 08:29:34 PM
Anyone using the Facebook site know why Alex has stopped N gauge modelling?

Yes

Thanks for the input nookfield. Obviously something's happened and I think NPN was just showing concern.

Maybe not so I'll leave it there.

weave.

Your welcome.

I just gave a straight forward answer to NPN's question. He has a  'pet hate' (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=44661.msg557717#msg557717) of poor use/knowledge of the English language so I kept my answer short so as not to upset him.

Over a couple of days Alex made a few posts on the Facebook group. If NGF members want to read them then will need to join the facebook group.