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Title: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 24, 2018, 07:35:46 PM
Have just returned from 2 days up in Bristol and pleased to find that Mrs PP has taken delivery of this beauty:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/230-240118192955.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60977)
You may have seen in a seperate thread that Iím planning a layout in a case. This resulted in a bid for a case on Ebay which produced this airline transportation case (2nd hand).
Iíve positioned a random handful of track plus a tank and carriage here to give an idea of scale :
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/230-240118193235.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60978)
And another
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/230-240118193316.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60979)
First job is to clean it up and then add a base which can be removed also allowing room for wiring beneath.
At the same time, Iíll be thinking about a track plan and location which will fit in with my preferred North and West Cornwall.
My plan is to document progress as I go.

Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: JohnN on January 24, 2018, 07:49:56 PM
Glad you got a case OK. Looks like an exciting project.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on January 24, 2018, 07:57:06 PM
Awesome  :thumbsup:

Congrats on getting that case.... looks a real sturdy piece of kit ......just don't drop it on your toes  :D :D

Will look forward to watching this new project progress

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers: :beers:
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on January 24, 2018, 08:01:44 PM
Was there a trumpet inside it?
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 24, 2018, 08:08:06 PM
Was there a trumpet inside it?
Didnít spot one.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: wookie on January 24, 2018, 08:18:18 PM
Looks interesting  :D
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: emjaybee on January 24, 2018, 08:29:01 PM
Cool !

What are the inside dimensions?

Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on January 24, 2018, 08:33:53 PM
That looks to be a pretty decent size/condition, Martin, and I'll be keeping an interested eye on how you develop it.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Milton Rail on January 24, 2018, 09:13:09 PM
As I have pretty much the same starting base (as mentioned on the same thread), will watch with a lot of interest to see how you develop yours, I have been playing with a few trackplans/ideas, but you are off to a faster start than me :)
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: NOE 544R on January 24, 2018, 09:25:45 PM
Looks like an old flight case for a set of CDJís / turntables and a mixer (DJ equipment)! Great buy! These can take a hell of a knock without damaging anything inside (I once found someone standing on mine with my equipment still inside  :veryangry: )

Look forward to watching!
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on January 24, 2018, 09:51:25 PM
As Mrs. PP is the expert in mini layouts, is she going to be in charge of this project? ???
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 25, 2018, 07:27:33 AM
Looks fantastic Martin, perfect size.

Looking forward to watching progress.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on January 25, 2018, 08:27:35 AM
Hi Martin.

Very nice. Like the others, looking forward to your progress.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS Is it very heavy?
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Bealman on January 25, 2018, 08:37:45 AM
Judging by the second picture, it could have been a bass guitar  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 25, 2018, 09:40:02 AM
Cool !

What are the inside dimensions?
Internal dimensions are very rougly 140cm x 58 cm x 18cm so a reasonable sixe I think.

Hi Martin.

Very nice. Like the others, looking forward to your progress.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS Is it very heavy?
Well, itís not light. I can manhandle it on my own but itís easier with two of us.

As Mrs. PP is the expert in mini layouts, is she going to be in charge of this project? ???
Itíll be mainly me but Mrs PP will hopefully add her artistic touch for some of the scenic items.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 25, 2018, 04:15:49 PM
Iím now waiting for a dry day here to take the case outside to give it a thorough clean and wash and to remove most of the foam interior.
Looks like tomorrow or Saturday may be my window of opportunity.
I canít really move forward until Iíve completed those two tasks.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 25, 2018, 05:08:40 PM
Ah, you're too far west! Apart from one heavy shower around mid-day we've been nice and sunny today  8)
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 25, 2018, 06:25:26 PM
Looks very good, Martin. I'd advise keeping the scenery as light as possible, then. Insulating tiles and packing pieces of the same material (as I used), plus tiling grout, as the surface should make a lightweight but strong combination.

This should be a fun project and you've got plenty of experience now.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 26, 2018, 12:32:47 PM
A few dry hours here so the case has been thoroughly cleaned. Out in the sun now to completely dry off.
Weíre off out for a coastal walk after lunch so thatís it for today.
Tomorrow is lookng wet here so a great opportunity to make up the interior baseboard and also add a couple of bits of foam lining which were damaged.
All looking good so far.

Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 26, 2018, 12:51:28 PM
Sounds good, Martin. Looking forward to the next updates.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 27, 2018, 12:37:14 PM
Been to B&Q this morning for a piece of 9mm ply to act as a baseboard.
Getting it cut in store is so much easier than messing about here!
Battons just loosely laid underneath at the moment ad their final position will depend on the trackwork and wiring. I need the batons to be just high enough to allow electrical firrings etc. Donít want to waste too much height.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/230-270118123356.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61116)
Iíve also stripped off the foam from the inside of the lid which will give me a  extra centimetre of height (which could be important later). Stripping the foam off wasnít the easiest but itís clean now.
Iíll add a sheet of wallpaper backing paper later to the inside of the lid which will eventually house a backscene.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 27, 2018, 12:42:12 PM
Good progress, Martin. Any thoughts on the name, yet?
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 27, 2018, 01:17:16 PM
Good progress, Martin. Any thoughts on the name, yet?
Not yet. Tomorrow, I plan to fiddle around with some teack. That will give me an idea as to what the layout will ultimately represent and that in turn will yield a name.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on January 27, 2018, 02:16:28 PM
All set to go then Martin, :thumbsup:

That last photo reminds me of this  :D :D :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5755-271017035907-57341958.jpeg)

Really looking forward to seeing how the build progresses

Have a great (and busy) weekend  :beers:

All best wishes
Kevin

Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: themadhippy on January 27, 2018, 02:19:40 PM
Quote
Looks like an old flight case for a set of CDJís / turntables and a mixer
Id expect it to have lift of hinges if that was the case so the gear can be left in place and used
Quote
it could have been a bass guitar
bloody big bass,plus the foam would be shaped to stop it moving about when the case is being chucked into the truck delicately handled by the road crew. My guess is  either a  keyboard/synth or a  control desk of some type
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 27, 2018, 04:30:34 PM
 :hellosign: Watching this interesting idea develop, good progress so far  :thumbsup:
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 28, 2018, 01:58:26 PM
Tidied up the outside of the case with a bit of fablon this morning:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/230-280118135719.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61222)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/230-280118135817.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61223)
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 28, 2018, 02:05:44 PM
Very smart, Martin. If you're going to have different ground levels, I'd advise using insulating tile material on top of the 'baseboard', like I did at Cant Cove. Then you can easily make a 'sunken lane', stream, etc.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 28, 2018, 02:06:58 PM
Now itís decision time. The track plan.
Iím not one for computerised planning aids, I need to visually see it.
This is first attempt with track pieces just laid out.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/230-280118140017.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61224)
So...at the bottom we have a village station with the spur being a tiny goods yard with shed.
The two sidings going into the middle will be to some sort of industrial concern - Iím thinking possible a creamery?
The line going off to the left edge at the top will disappear into a dead end tunnel.
I will most likely add a gentle S curve (only small) to the straight bit at the top.
So....only first draught and Iím open to suggestions.
You can just about see a dotted blue line - to the left of this I would make countryside and to the right a small town (plus possibly the creamery).
Possibly a short tunnel bottom left.
I invite comments. It essentially has to be simple and aiím conscious of not wanting to cram it full of track.
I definitely want it to be roundy roundy - no shunting layout.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on January 28, 2018, 02:22:02 PM


 :claphappy: Yay !  Roundy Roundy  :claphappy:


 :D Roundys Rule  :D


Best Wishes
Kevin
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 28, 2018, 02:22:50 PM
Thanks, Martin. One side (the right-hand side?) will need a tunnel / overbridge / cutting to hide the fact that it is an oval not a single line going off in two directions at each end.

At the bottom you need to allow either for a platform or, if using an island platform, a subway or footbridge access to the platform. As you know, both the GWR and SR had examples of the unusual island platform on branchlines. A road overbridge at the righthand corner could provide both a scenic break and access to the station yard and village (rather than a town) or even just the Station Pub, like Halwill Junction? The upmarket country hotel could be up the hill to the left. If you're having a hill and tunnel on that side.

If an ex-GWR line, I'd add a catchpoint (the GWR installed them whilst the LSWR did not) after the siding point and before the point leading to the 'main' line. A simple short-radius L/H point would do. It could even be used as a 'cripple siding' for a wagon or two awaiting repair.

You could consider either: a) the line was engineered for double-track which was never laid or b) was built as broad gauge, either of which would explain the wide central station platform?

A very small loco. shed could be added at the end of the station siding to the left.

A stream, with a ford and / or a duck pond could look good.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on January 28, 2018, 03:10:43 PM
This looks marvellous, Martin - my kind of layout and exactly my kind of track planning.  I agree completely about going round in circles with a minimum of shunting; that's my favoured approach as well.

As for comments:

The turnout on the curve leading to a tunnel going nowhere is, perhaps, inviting derailments and suchlike on the points for no operational benefit.  If the tunnel was fenced off and the track overgrown (sad, I know) there would still be the scenic opportunities, but no need for the turnout.  The story would be the P Way people 'plain lined' it.  For your 1958-1962 era, this would be plausible, I think.

To me, the layout is calling out for two trains: one passenger and one goods.  As a 'minimum shunting' layout, would there be a way to use a siding to hide the passenger train while the goods train is out on the line?  The goods train can be hidden in plain sight in a goods siding whilst the passenger train is in use.   

It's maybe an optical illusion but the curves do not look like uniform No1 radius (some parts are of course - for the points).  Are there some No2 radius curves as well?  If so, could there be an inside curved siding hidden in a tunnel (Chris [IP] suggested a tunnel as a scenic break, which is a really nice idea)?

If not, could the passenger train be hidden in plain sight as well?  I recall seeing a photograph of Colyton station with ECS in the goods yard.  There was no room at Seaton, so it was shunted out of the way at Colyton.

This has the makings of a terrific layout.

With all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 28, 2018, 03:33:36 PM
On the North Cornwall line, goods trains were shunted into goods sidings to allow passenger trains to pass. The long siding plus the track to the 'main' line point should be long enough for that.

Re: the point on a curve, you'd have to run various trains at realistically slow speeds, first, to see if any derailed.

The long siding could have a cattle dock cum goods loading platform with sloping ramp  to the yard that could also be used for racehorse traffic to the (off layout) stately home?
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 28, 2018, 07:21:42 PM
Thanks everyone.
Chris - Iím undecided about tunnels at the moment. We shall see but scenic breaks are indeed important.
The station is only a suggestion at the moment. It will develop as I lay track.
John - donít worry about the curves. Itís only a mock up with odds and ends I have laying around. I have to pop to the model shop in a day or so to buy a few more curves (plus some rail joiners as Iím running out).

As for the point on the bend. I share your concerns but I do have a similar situation (off scene) on the link between Port Perran and Trepol Bay which works just fine.  I shall run plenty of test trains before finalising things.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on January 28, 2018, 08:17:13 PM
I think I'd have a passing loop in the station. I know it won't be very long but it's not a layout for long trains!
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 28, 2018, 08:38:43 PM
As not many stations on the North Cornwall line (to keep construction and operating costs down) had a passing loop, goods trains were shunted into goods sidings to allow passenger trains to pass. Passing loops were only provided when passenger trains were timetabled to pass. So, it depends on how busy Martin's line will be?
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 28, 2018, 08:42:48 PM
Not sure how much height you have to play with Martin, but it would be good if you could fit in a river and bridge (left of centre at the rear, to avoid the creamery?)
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 28, 2018, 08:56:04 PM
River water could be pumped through a heat exchanger to cool the milk.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 29, 2018, 11:29:21 AM
I think I'd have a passing loop in the station. I know it won't be very long but it's not a layout for long trains!
Itís a good suggestion Brian and one which, operationally, I favour. But, Iíve been trying it out and really, there is not enough room.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 29, 2018, 05:25:47 PM
Well, it does work :
https://youtu.be/rMQDFe8PydY
Track is only loosely laid at the moment. Iím still mulling things over. I wonder if I should try to get some of the outer track a bit further away from the edge?
That would make it more like a railway in the scenery but it would make it difficult to fit in I think.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: JohnN on January 29, 2018, 05:34:27 PM
Looking good.  :thumbsup:

At least you won't have to worry about locos taking a plunge if they derail.  :P
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on January 29, 2018, 06:09:34 PM
Nice one!  :thumbsup: Another suggestion. :doh: Rotate the track through 180 degrees, make a little more of the station. Would set track curved points allow a  passing loop? Cover the track on the handle side and just have the station visible, I presume the top doesn't come off. I've got some spare track and points and wondering if to do something similar so you are my mentor at the moment. :admiration:
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 29, 2018, 06:16:02 PM
Nice one!  :thumbsup: Another suggestion. :doh: Rotate the track through 180 degrees, make a little more of the station. Would set track curved points allow a  passing loop? Cover the track on the handle side and just have the station visible, I presume the top doesn't come off. I've got some spare track and points and wondering if to do something similar so you are my mentor at the moment. :admiration:
Thanks Brian. Iím wanting to make the creamery a feature so I would like to keep that accessed from the top if possible.
Essentially, itís an exercise in scenics rather than exploiting train operation to a maximum. Iím happy for trains to run round.
As for the station, everyone does stations (and I,íve already got two on Port Perran and Trepol Bay) so Iíd like the station to be a minor feature.
I have an idea as to whatís going where scenic wise but Iím not rushing into a final track plan. Iíll sleep on it for a day or  so.
Thanks for the suggestions though.
No the lid doesnít come off (at least not easily) . A backscene will go on there in due course.

Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on January 29, 2018, 06:41:46 PM
This is looking very interesting, Martin.

I look forward to seeing how your approach to the various compromises required.

Thank you and best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 29, 2018, 06:48:53 PM
This is looking very interesting, Martin.

I look forward to seeing how your approach to the various compromises required.

Thank you and best wishes.

John
Thanks John.
Yes, itís all about compromises indeed. Iím very conscious of trying not to overdo it. I really feel that the creamery must be the centrepiece and I have a very clear idea of what it will look like.
I shall sleep on it tonight before making any final decisions re the track plan.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 29, 2018, 07:05:42 PM
Iím thinking that the layout in a case will be a spur off the Newquay to Par line just south of Quintrell Downs. A line going south Eastwards towards Summercourt about 7 miles from Newquay. The whole branch line from Quintrell Downs to Summercourt is about 4.5 miles.
My station and creamery will be at Tregonning, the only intermediate station on the line.
The main , infrequent, passenger traffic is the branch train to Newquay often in the form of a 14xx and autocoach although a 64xx pannier is sometimes used or in later years a class 121 bubble car.
There are also twice daily services (via Qintrell Downs South Jct) to Wadebridge and Truro - usually 2 coach trains.
Milk and cream traffic normally travels down to Truro (via Perranporth) to join the St Erth milk or sometimes via Wadebridge and on to Exeter.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 29, 2018, 07:22:42 PM
I really don't think it will be a problem if goods trains have to be shunted into the goods siding to allow a passenger train to pass. Somewhere I have a photo. of a Bulleid Light Pacific on a short goods train doing just that. If passenger trains are worked on the 'one engine in steam' principle (appropriate for a single-track branchline) there will never be a need for passenger trains to pass, so no need for a loop.

Incidentally, as Martin knows, the milk tankers can be worked to and from the creamery on the end of the branch passenger train, probably a BCK, which should be enough off-peak with an SK plus BCK sufficing for peak-time services. I think empty milk tanks would be likely to arrive in the morning and leave, loaded, in the evening outside peak passenger times.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: themadhippy on January 29, 2018, 08:04:01 PM
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No the lid doesnít come off (at least not easily)

If you want a removable lid replace the existing hinges with lift off hinges http://www.penn-elcom.com/default.asp?MC=01100501&LG=EN (http://www.penn-elcom.com/default.asp?MC=01100501&LG=EN)

Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 29, 2018, 08:11:51 PM
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No the lid doesnít come off (at least not easily)

If you want a removable lid replace the existing hinges with lift off hinges [url]http://www.penn-elcom.com/default.asp?MC=01100501&LG=EN[/url] ([url]http://www.penn-elcom.com/default.asp?MC=01100501&LG=EN[/url])

Thanks for the tip. However, I have no current plans to make the lid lift off.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Pjlons83 on January 29, 2018, 10:45:17 PM
Looking good so far. Iíve been looking at small layouts like this and wondering about the large desk drawers in the man cave...... then I think I should concentrate more on the current work in progress and several other projects I have on the go  :D

Looking forward to seeing it develop.
Title: Tregonning - A layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 30, 2018, 09:13:15 AM
A messy job completed this morning before we go for a walk and coffee (if the rain holds off).
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/230-300118090923.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61327)
A layer of paint under the track bed. Once dry I can lay the track and glue it down.
Looks a mess you may say. Why isnít it neat and tidy with straight edges?
Well....countryside and scenery is rarely tidy and straight , it will all blend in with the surroundings in due course. The dark paint under the track is metely forming a base for the ballast so that no bits of wood show through.

Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on January 30, 2018, 09:17:28 AM
Very clever; very clever indeed.

Best wishes for a rain-free day.  It looks like it is about to start, here, any minute!

John
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 30, 2018, 09:44:26 AM
Thanks for the latest update, Martin. I bought two tins of 'household' acrylic paint: dark brown and dark green plus a large brush. The top layer of insulating material was then sealed with dark brown. Any areas to be 'grassed', once sealed with tiling grout which had completely dried, were then sealed with the dark green. These were quick and economical ways of sealing everything and worked well.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 30, 2018, 02:22:03 PM
A very nice walk around Argal reservoir with coffee and a cake at the end earlier this morning.
This afternoon, onto the next job which involves raiding the pantry:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/230-300118141803.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61356)
Iím always a bit apprehensive about this part , get it wrong and its rip it up and correct it, or live with a problem forever. Using setrack and insulfrog points means there is no getting away with things. It has to be perfect or stalling occurs.
So......no rushing.
Two of the three power  feeds are in place already.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: MARK1985 on January 30, 2018, 02:36:45 PM
really looking forward to seeing this layout develop, cracking start so far

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Jerry Howlett on January 30, 2018, 03:40:22 PM
A very nice walk around Argal reservoir with coffee and a cake at the end earlier this morning.
This afternoon, onto the next job which involves raiding the pantry:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/230-300118141803.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61356[/url])
I’m always a bit apprehensive about this part , get it wrong and its rip it up and correct it, or live with a problem forever. Using setrack and insulfrog points means there is no getting away with things. It has to be perfect or stalling occurs.
So......no rushing.
Two of the three power  feeds are in place already.

  Well by the looks of the picture , if it all goes wrong you can enjoy a decent meal...   Good luck with your progress.

Jerry

Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Novice41 on January 30, 2018, 03:46:11 PM
Perhaps add wheels?
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 30, 2018, 04:52:39 PM
Perhaps add wheels?
A good idea but living in a small twisty old cortage, Iím not sure where Iíd wheel it to. Easier to carry it.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 30, 2018, 07:40:16 PM
I hope the trackwork is all fine, first time, Martin. With the relatively tight curves, I guess you won't be running any large locos.?
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 30, 2018, 08:03:33 PM
I hope the trackwork is all fine, first time, Martin. With the relatively tight curves, I guess you won't be running any large locos.?
No itís going to be panniers , praries, 14xx, M7 and some of my UM models. Plus various diesels with the exception of the Class 52.
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on January 30, 2018, 08:06:06 PM
Excellent progress, Martin.  Is the Setrack is stuck to the ply with Copydex?

I think this will be a fun layout!

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 30, 2018, 08:08:54 PM
Excellent progress, Martin.  Is the Setrack is stuck to the ply with Copydex?

I think this will be a fun layout!

With best wishes.

John
Yes - stuck down with Copydex. I have the final pieces to insert tomorrow to complete it then itíll be testing time.
If that proves ok its on to ballasting.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on January 30, 2018, 08:10:31 PM
Just a quick query - How do you modify the title of your thread?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 30, 2018, 08:14:15 PM
Just a quick query - How do you modify the title of your thread?
Aha. Iíve just posted a query on that. I seem to be able to change individual topic titles but not the overall thread title.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 30, 2018, 08:18:26 PM
Thanks, Martin. I caught the post giving the name and the train details. It sounds like a nice quiet place for a relaxing walking holiday. If not a "Station Hotel", I'm sure there will at least be a "Railway Arms" pub, handy for the station, doing B&B! 8-)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 31, 2018, 11:12:41 AM
Just a quick query - How do you modify the title of your thread?
According to replies to my other post. Changing the name of the first and then the latest post should work although posts in between will retain the old title (unless you edit them all).
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 31, 2018, 12:13:36 PM
A bit more progress - still at the messy untidy stage!
All track now in place and fixed down (just waiting for the Copydex to dry completely).
Last evening I applied a very thin coat of sealer to the plywood and this morning Iíve painted in the base colours. All very rough as it will be painted over again as I detail individual areas. It does give an idea however of the area that will be countryside and those that will be built upon.
Itís the cinema for us this afternoon so everything will have a good chance to dry.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/230-310118121251.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61401)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on January 31, 2018, 12:49:08 PM
Hi Martin,

Looks like you're motoring on. Great stuff and great inspiration (ie. kick up the backside) to get more done on my Tremargat St. Croix small layout.

My op was cancelled again so no excuses (except chores).

Enjoy the cinema. If the film isn't that good, think of me. I've got to go to the tip, twice, and it's raining.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 31, 2018, 01:31:25 PM
Hi Martin,

Looks like you're motoring on. Great stuff and great inspiration (ie. kick up the backside) to get more done on my Tremargat St. Croix small layout.

My op was cancelled again so no excuses (except chores).

Enjoy the cinema. If the film isn't that good, think of me. I've got to go to the tip, twice, and it's raining.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Sorry to hear that your op was again cancelled.
Yes, hopefully a good film. Grotty weather so may as well be indoors.
Martin
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on January 31, 2018, 08:45:03 PM
A bit more progress - still at the messy untidy stage!
All track now in place and fixed down (just waiting for the Copydex to dry completely).
Last evening I applied a very thin coat of sealer to the plywood and this morning Iíve painted in the base colours. All very rough as it will be painted over again as I detail individual areas. It does give an idea however of the area that will be countryside and those that will be built upon.
Itís the cinema for us this afternoon so everything will have a good chance to dry.

That's great progress, Martin.

It's good to see Peco 'Setrack' being used.  I would like to try using it again.  My last effort was less successful than I hoped for.  This was probably because I tried to be too clever for my own good.  I am following your progress with interest.

I hope you both enjoyed the film.

All the best.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 31, 2018, 08:55:26 PM
Yes we saw ďThe Darkest HourĒ which was excellent.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on January 31, 2018, 09:15:30 PM
Agreed!  We saw it on Saturday.  The only part that I could have done without was the 'District Line' scene, but it was obvious why it was included.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 31, 2018, 09:46:33 PM
My friends also keep recommending the "Darkest Hour" so I had better go to see it before I'm too busy.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 01, 2018, 06:52:08 PM
Today I checked all the track then completed the wiring on the underside of the board. Itís very simple - at the moment just three power connections to the track. Iím not bothering with point motors (although I have toyed with the idea).
Later there will be additional wiring for street and building lights.
I then thoroughly cleaned the track and tested it with various locos, Happily, I can go slowly enough to make a complete circuit in 59 seconds.
Iíve also tested the point on a curve that I was a little worried about but loco and three coaches are fine in either direction at varying speeds with no derailments.
I had planned to ďrustĒ the sides of the rails this evening but I find itís difficult without natural light so hopefully I can do that tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on February 01, 2018, 06:58:22 PM
Iíve also tested the point on a curve that I was a little worried about but loco and three coaches are fine in either direction at varying speeds with no derailments.

That's excellent news.  It speaks volumes for the inherent quality of Peco 'Setrack' and, in particular, for your careful and accurate track laying.  A turnout on a curve can be a troublesome thing in the facing direction...

Best wishes

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 01, 2018, 07:05:36 PM
Iíve also tested the point on a curve that I was a little worried about but loco and three coaches are fine in either direction at varying speeds with no derailments.

That's excellent news.  It speaks volumes for the inherent quality of Peco 'Setrack' and, in particular, for your careful and accurate track laying.  A turnout on a curve can be a troublesome thing in the facing direction...

Best wishes

John

Seconded! The layout is progressing well. Glad that the test running went faultlessly.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 01, 2018, 07:08:04 PM
Hopefully a video tomorrow, maybe with what will be a typical train.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 01, 2018, 07:57:45 PM
Hopefully a video tomorrow, maybe with what will be a typical train.

Looking forward to that, Martin.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 02, 2018, 01:20:18 PM
No more progress on Tregonning other than, as promised,  a short video with a typical train:
https://youtu.be/apCp7_XUz1k
Class 33 with a local from Summercourt to Wasebridge with two milk tanks for onward transportation to London.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on February 02, 2018, 03:22:07 PM
That actually gives me a far better impression of the space available.
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 02, 2018, 05:16:29 PM
Thank you Martin, as NPN says, gives a good impression of the layout size.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 02, 2018, 05:19:58 PM
No more progress on Tregonning other than, as promised,  a short video with a typical train:
https://youtu.be/apCp7_XUz1k
Class 33 with a local from Summercourt to Wadebridge with two milk tanks for onward transportation to London.

Thanks for the video, Martin. It should be a very nice little layout when finished. BTW, I think you meant Wadebridge.

Looking forward to the next update.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on February 02, 2018, 09:29:25 PM
Thank you for that very instructive film, Martin.

I know that Peco 'Setrack' (and, particularly, the points) is the subject of mixed views.

This film clearly shows a train negotiating fairly tight curves and three facing points (one on a curve) without any difficulty at all, at, importantly, a realistic speed.

I'd certainly be interested to see the same trial with a steam locomotive, such as the 'Dean Goods'.

Thanks again and all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: JohnN on February 02, 2018, 10:01:37 PM
Looking good Martin. It all seems to be running very smoothly. What's next on the to do list for Tregonning?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on February 03, 2018, 06:41:16 AM
It'snice to see the layout progressing so well.  It proves your're definitely on the case, so to speak.  :)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 03, 2018, 12:05:59 PM

I'd certainly be interested to see the same trial with a steam locomotive, such as the 'Dean Goods.

John
So...Dean Goods with two parcels vans in tow. Sorry about the rather erratic videoing.
https://youtu.be/aJBehggStZY

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 03, 2018, 12:09:18 PM
Looking good Martin. It all seems to be running very smoothly. What's next on the to do list for Tregonning?
Next job is to finish ďrustingĒ the track sides.
Then ballasting after that.
Plus, I hope to make a start on construction of the dairy building this weekend.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: JohnN on February 03, 2018, 12:35:41 PM
Thanks Martin. Looking forward to seeing it develop. Will the dairy be scratchbuilt?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 03, 2018, 01:04:22 PM
Thanks for the latest video and updates, Martin. No problems with the "Dean Goods" and bogie parcels coaches, then.

I realise that it's too late, now, but fitting a cork underlay would, might have reduced the 'track noise'? I don't know whether ballasting will have any effect?

Looking forward to seeing the dairy / creamery buildings develop. There are some useful prototype photos. here:

https://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=21275 (https://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=21275)

A model more suited though for a small space is this one:
http://jonwallace.zenfolio.com/img/s11/v34/p1034671876-5.jpg (http://jonwallace.zenfolio.com/img/s11/v34/p1034671876-5.jpg)

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/120441-branch-line-creameries/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/120441-branch-line-creameries/)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 03, 2018, 01:07:23 PM
My favourite though, from one of my favourite layouts is this:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/8511-vale-of-oxbury-br-western-region/page-5 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/8511-vale-of-oxbury-br-western-region/page-5)

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_04_2014/post-6860-0-49430400-1397684286.jpg (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_04_2014/post-6860-0-49430400-1397684286.jpg)

Although it is much larger, it might give you some further inspiration?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 03, 2018, 01:26:08 PM
Thanks Martin. Looking forward to seeing it develop. Will the dairy be scratchbuilt?
Very much so.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 03, 2018, 01:29:49 PM
Thanks for the latest video and updates, Martin. No problems with the "Dean Goods" and bogie parcels coaches, then.

I realise that it's too late, now, but fitting a cork underlay would, might have reduced the 'track noise'? I don't know whether ballasting will have any effect?

Thanks for the ideas re a dairy Chris. I have a very definite plan in mind.
The track noise is only temporary. Normally, the whole thing sits on a bed of foam (in the bottom of the case) which deadens the noise significantly. Itís just not in the case yet.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 03, 2018, 03:19:41 PM
Thanks for the latest video and updates, Martin. No problems with the "Dean Goods" and bogie parcels coaches, then.

I realise that it's too late, now, but fitting a cork underlay would, might have reduced the 'track noise'? I don't know whether ballasting will have any effect?


Thanks for the ideas re a dairy Chris. I have a very definite plan in mind.
The track noise is only temporary. Normally, the whole thing sits on a bed of foam (in the bottom of the case) which deadens the noise significantly. Itís just not in the case yet.


Thanks for your reply, Martin. I know you said that you had a definite idea in mind for your dairy. I always look at prototypes for inspiration and the small model dairy looks ideal for the space available to you.

This is a good small dairy building which I remember from the 1970s:

http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/moretoninmarsh/gwrmm995.jpg (http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/moretoninmarsh/gwrmm995.jpg)

http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/moretoninmarsh/gwrmm987a.jpg (http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/moretoninmarsh/gwrmm987a.jpg)

http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/moretoninmarsh/gwrmm977.jpg (http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/moretoninmarsh/gwrmm977.jpg)

Having the board sit on a bed of foam is an excellent solution.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on February 03, 2018, 04:15:55 PM

I'd certainly be interested to see the same trial with a steam locomotive, such as the 'Dean Goods.

John
So...Dean Goods with two parcels vans in tow. Sorry about the rather erratic videoing.
https://youtu.be/aJBehggStZY

Thank you very much, Martin.

I watched the film twice and the 'Dean Goods' ran perfectly round the 'Setrack' circuit and over three 'dead frog' points.

If we recognise the excellence of your track laying (and cleaning) and the quality of Union Mills' locomotives, then the 'third side of the triangle' is the suitability of 'Setrack', particularly the points  Clearly, it is perfectly suitable.  Short wheelbase tank engines may not be so happy, but, then again, they may be.

Thank you for the two convincing demonstrations.

With all good wishes.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 03, 2018, 04:23:47 PM
Ha Ha.....ballasting has commenced this afternoon. Iíve done half the layout.
That may mess things up good and proper running wise!
Fingers crossed all will be ok.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 03, 2018, 04:27:50 PM
Ha Ha.....ballasting has commenced this afternoon. Iíve done half the layout.
That may mess things up good and proper running wise!
Fingers crossed all will be ok.

I hope the ballasting goes well, Martin. When its dry and the track cleaned perhaps you could try a pannier tank?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 03, 2018, 04:33:03 PM
Ha Ha.....ballasting has commenced this afternoon. Iíve done half the layout.
That may mess things up good and proper running wise!
Fingers crossed all will be ok.

I hope the ballasting goes well, Martin. When its dry and the track cleaned perhaps you could try a pannier tank?
Yes, Iíll do that but probably not until Wednesday at the earliest. I like to get all the ballasting done, dried then tidied (which may include adding some additional areas of ballast where either some comes loose or where Iíve missec a bit). When itís all completely dry (I give it 2 days) I can then clean all the track.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 04, 2018, 08:41:02 PM
Nothing much to report today but I have now ballasted the layout. Waiting for it to dry now before tidying it all up.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 06, 2018, 05:30:13 PM
Again, no pictures but that doesnít mean no work on the layout.
First though.....something very unusual happened here this morning.
It snowed!  It actually snowed for about 4 hours but didnít really settle and itís all gone now. Fairly unusual for this part of the UK though.
Anyway, Iíve been tidying up the ballast and touching up the paint butting up to it. That should all help when I start applying the scenic grasses etc.
I did have a problem though as my ballast glue had seeped into one of my points. Thatís despite all my careful efforts to prevent that happening.
Careful use of various implements eventually rectified the problem.
Iím leaving it all to dry again now before track cleaning tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on February 06, 2018, 05:43:05 PM
We've had one or two very light flurries here today.  I think that being in the valley of the Humber helps a bit.  It did drop (just) below freezing last night but it has been between 1C and 2C pretty well all day. 
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on February 06, 2018, 08:38:28 PM
I reckon you were out making snowmen :D  Very poor excuse for not taking photos. :no:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 11, 2018, 02:50:23 PM
No updates for a while as Iíve been busy with other things.
However, Iíve now completed the ballasting and itís dry. Trains tested and all is ok.
So.....Iíve come to thinking about scenery. One thing that I think is important to avoid is flatness so Iíll be adding hills , especially on the left side. And I wanted the railway to travel through a cutting. Modelling in a case, of course, necessitates moderation so everything needs to be small without looking small.
Iíve cut , roughly, some polystyrene sectiins to represent hills and placed them roughly as below:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/230-110218144357.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61791)
Maybe a bit more shaping to do but Iíll live with it for a day or so before I go any further. Eventually, the polystyrene will be coated in a thin layer of tile grout before painting then adding scatter and static grass etc.
The brown bits propped up against the foam are the shed bark from cedar trees which will be blended in and painted as a rock face. Iím afraid I rather Ďnickedí the idea from another forum member - Trickilman (thankís Steve). He has made an excellent rock effect on his layout so Iíll see what I can do.
The marker pen indicates the approx position of a road bridge bringing the main (B category) road into Tregonning.


Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 11, 2018, 02:55:59 PM
 :hellosign: Many thanks Martin, making excellent progress thanks for the update
       regards Derek,
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 11, 2018, 03:25:37 PM
Thanks for the progress report, Martin. It's looking good. I'd do a bit more shaping before glueing the pieces in place and applying the tile grout. Bark pieces can make good rock faces. I think Brian (Mito) has used tree bark.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: JohnN on February 11, 2018, 05:40:34 PM
Coming along well Martin. Knowing what a mess that stuff can make, I hope the dreaded little white balls from hell didn't get everywhere.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on February 11, 2018, 06:05:08 PM
I've got quite a lot of cork bark. I've used it in that other scale and it's effective but for N it's a little over scale, though I'm going to try it again on the mini layout I've started, I think it will be well covered in foliage and sloping back rather than vertical. All theory at the moment.
I like the way yours is coming along. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 11, 2018, 06:15:26 PM
Coming along well Martin. Knowing what a mess that stuff can make, I hope the dreaded little white balls from hell didn't get everywhere.
Not everywhere but it was quite widespread!  :D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: DaveGlew on February 11, 2018, 07:22:27 PM
What with "Windmill Hill" from Phoenix and now this I'm beginning to think that my 8' x 2'6" is pure decadence in terms of space!! Looking good so far and I am watching your progress with interest PP.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 11, 2018, 08:24:50 PM
Thanks for the progress report, Martin. It's looking good. I'd do a bit more shaping before glueing the pieces in place and applying the tile grout. Bark pieces can make good rock faces. I think Brian (Mito) has used tree bark.
Yes, itís only rough shaping at the moment. A bit more mess to make cutting the polystyrene a bit mor!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 12, 2018, 03:28:39 PM
A bit more shaping done to the polystyrene this afternoon then I applied grout to two sections. Iíll let that dry to see the effect before I complete the other pieces.
Later on this little lot arrived :
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/230-120218152714.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61825)
I have a piece of board set aside on which I can practise my static grass laying skills. Iíd rather practise on an old piece of board first before jumping straight into the layout.
Weíll see how I get on.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on February 12, 2018, 04:01:57 PM

Good luck with that then  :D :D :D :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/5755-211117124702-584011526.jpeg)

Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 12, 2018, 04:06:49 PM
Very good news, Martin. I'm sure you'll soon get the hang of applying static grass and be very pleased with the results. Good to see that you have a mix of colours (and lengths?). Looking forward to seeing the results.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on February 12, 2018, 04:08:34 PM
Hi Martin,

Looking forward to how you get on with the grass. Even if you muck it up at first (not that you will), please let us know the do's and don'ts.

It's way, way down the line for me but advanced knowledge is always a good thing.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: DaveGlew on February 12, 2018, 07:08:15 PM
I íd rather practise on an old piece of board first before jumping straight into the layout.
Weíll see how I get on.
I found a good way to practice (and not waste anything) is to make tufts. Put a sheet of greaseproof paper on a metal baking tray and connect your static grass applicator to the tray. Add drops of pva to the greaseproof and get scattering. When dry you can peel off the tufts and stick them on your layout.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 12, 2018, 07:21:22 PM
I íd rather practise on an old piece of board first before jumping straight into the layout.
Weíll see how I get on.
I found a good way to practice (and not waste anything) is to make tufts. Put a sheet of greaseproof paper on a metal baking tray and connect your static grass applicator to the tray. Add drops of PVA to the greaseproof and get scattering. When dry you can peel off the tufts and stick them on your layout.

An excellent tip, Martin. Such grass tufts can be bought, online, but yours is a cheaper option.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 12, 2018, 07:44:21 PM

Good luck with that then  :D :D :D :D

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/5755-211117124702-584011526.jpeg[/url])

Kevin

 :beers:

Aaaaagh....... just had my first trial run with the applicator.
Help - I didnít realise it would do that to my hair!
Is there an antedote?  :D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 12, 2018, 07:50:01 PM
I íd rather practise on an old piece of board first before jumping straight into the layout.
Weíll see how I get on.
I found a good way to practice (and not waste anything) is to make tufts. Put a sheet of greaseproof paper on a metal baking tray and connect your static grass applicator to the tray. Add drops of PVA to the greaseproof and get scattering. When dry you can peel off the tufts and stick them on your layout.


An excellent tip, Martin. Such grass tufts can be bought, online, but yours is a cheaper option.

Thanks for the tip Dave. I may well have a go at that.
In the meantime, Iíve had a little practise and am impressed with the ease of application.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/230-120218194733.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61827)
There are varting lengths and grass types in the photo. The near horse is in 6mm rough grass which is really a bit too long. The other horse is in 2mm base with 4mm areas.
I think on the whole that Iíll be using mainly 2 and 4mm grasses on Tregonning.
On the whole though, the experiment is encouraging.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 12, 2018, 08:02:24 PM
Very good work, Martin. I agree that a 2mm base with 4mm areas looks best. That's what I'll be planning to do on the embankment along the front of Cant Cove where it will be most noticeable.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: DaveGlew on February 12, 2018, 08:35:10 PM

There are varting lengths and grass types in the photo. The near horse is in 6mm rough grass which is really a bit too long. The other horse is in 2mm base with 4mm areas.
I think on the whole that Iíll be using mainly 2 and 4mm grasses on Tregonning.
On the whole though, the experiment is encouraging.
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Lovely results.......much better than my Orrible Oversize efforts.......then again I used a fly swatter/tea strainer applucatir rather than a proper static applicator. Just goes to show that spending money sometimes pays off.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 12, 2018, 08:54:10 PM
My apologies, Dave. The tip was yours.

Is your applicator a Peco one, Martin, or a Chinese import via eBay, please?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 13, 2018, 12:05:11 PM
My apologies, Dave. The tip was yours.

Is your applicator a Peco one, Martin, or a Chinese import via eBay, please?
The applcator (and grasses) are from WWS as recommended by Kevin (Phoenix). I think that WWS actually supply Peco.
I bought it as a kit including grass samples, glue and layering spray.
Excellent service plus their website contains some very helpful videos.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 13, 2018, 05:03:06 PM
My apologies, Dave. The tip was yours.

Is your applicator a Peco one, Martin, or a Chinese import via eBay, please?
The applcator (and grasses) are from WWS as recommended by Kevin (Phoenix). I think that WWS actually supply Peco.
I bought it as a kit including grass samples, glue and layering spray.
Excellent service plus their website contains some very helpful videos.

Thanks, Martin. I thought it might be WWS. I guess the Peco branded version is more expensive? I think I'll buy just what I want even if the total is more expensive.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 14, 2018, 09:32:44 AM
A little more progress with Tregonning last evening and this morning.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/230-140218093040.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61902)
Donít pay any heed to the colours at this stage (they are just base colouring).
The bark is in place (partly) for rock cuttings. I will need to back fill with filler.
In the background you can just see where the road over bridge will eventually go.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on February 14, 2018, 10:51:59 AM
You really are making cracking progress with the layout.  At this rate you'll be finished before I've really got going.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 14, 2018, 07:44:42 PM
After our Model Rail Cub meeting this afternon (at the delightfully named Praze-an-Beeble of Helston branch line fame), I managed a bit more work on Tregonning after our evening meal.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/230-140218194131.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61913)
Iíve painted the rock face on one side of the cutting and added scatter to the top.
All of this now has to dry. Iím treating this piece as a trial but am reasonably happy with it thus far.
Tomorrow, Iíll add the finishing touches and any touching in on the rock face. Then Iíll be adding static grass to the grassy (green) area. Then I can put the whole thing in place and see what it looks like.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: DaveGlew on February 14, 2018, 07:48:00 PM
Rock is looking really real
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 14, 2018, 08:11:04 PM
Looking very good already, Martin. I also believe in painting then scatter then static grass (which I will do in the summer, if not before). Your rockface will soon be looking highly realistic after further painting (something else I have yet to do).

Looking forward to the next update in due course.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on February 14, 2018, 09:40:25 PM
Hi Martin,

I think the rock faces look really good. You said earlier that they are shed bark from a Cedar tree. I've looked at bark before while walking the dogs (as one does, perfectly normal round these parts  :)) for potential rocks and was wondering if you have to do anything to them besides drying them out?

Thanks for any guidelines.

There's only really Birch on our common but some of them can look very rocky.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 14, 2018, 10:34:24 PM
 :hellosign: An excellent trail Martin, I`d say top modelling  :thumbsup:
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 15, 2018, 07:52:55 AM
Looking good Martin  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 15, 2018, 08:12:36 AM
Hi Martin,

I think the rock faces look really good. You said earlier that they are shed bark from a Cedar tree. I've looked at bark before while walking the dogs (as one does, perfectly normal round these parts  :)) for potential rocks and was wondering if you have to do anything to them besides drying them out?

Thanks for any guidelines.

There's only really Birch on our common but some of them can look very rocky.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Hi Chris
Yes, Cedar seems to have a natural rock effect in its bark.
I just wash it (to get rid of any bugs) then dry it thoroughly before painting it with acryllic.
Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 16, 2018, 12:00:34 PM
A little more work done on the first two areas of higher ground.
Iím fairly pleased with the left hand bit and with the way the rock face has turned out. A few bushes and saplings perhaps to add .
The bridge is metely lodged in place to show where it will be. Being a small layout Iím trying to achieve a good visual effect by careful placing of features.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/230-160218115923.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61966)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/230-160218120021.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61967)

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: JohnN on February 16, 2018, 12:04:31 PM
I think your rock face has turned out superbly. Excellently painted. :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 16, 2018, 12:42:33 PM
I think your rock face has turned out superbly. Excellently painted. :beers:

I agree, excellent work; reminds me, though, that I really need to do more work on my rockfaces. The static grass looks excellent, too. I will order my static grass 'kit' in May ready for use in June. Coming along very well indeed.

Have you tried running a 2-6-2T around the track in addition to running an 0-6-0PT?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on February 16, 2018, 01:00:25 PM
Very impressed, I would never have believed bark could be that effective :thumbsup:

Annoyingly, we had three massive cedars at our previous address. Perhaps I could creep back under the cover of darkness :no:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 16, 2018, 03:47:10 PM
I think your rock face has turned out superbly. Excellently painted. :beers:

I agree, excellent work; reminds me, though, that I really need to do more work on my rockfaces. The static grass looks excellent, too. I will order my static grass 'kit' in May ready for use in June. Coming along very well indeed.

Have you tried running a 2-6-2T around the track in addition to running an 0-6-0PT?
Yes, my old black WR prarie is fine as are all my UM locos (4-4-0 and 0-6-0). Plus my Hymek and Bubble Car are no problem.
Iíll post another video once Iíve completed a bit more scenery.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 16, 2018, 08:25:05 PM
Weíve been busy today with grocery shopping then taking delivery of a load of manure at the allotment.
On returning home, we found that our two tortoises have woken from 12 weeks hibernation (no doubt roused by the sudden increase in temperature today). Ideally they should really have slept for another two weeks but heyho.  So.....that meant that we had to get them organised in their Spring time home in the conservatory prior to going outdoors in May or June (depending on the weather).
Anyway, this evening, Iíve shaped the remaining foam hill sections and given them a light coating of tile grouting. Hopefully that will dry overnight,
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on February 16, 2018, 08:39:49 PM
I didnít know tortoises needing grouting. One does learn a lot on this forum ;)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on February 16, 2018, 08:41:23 PM
I like the rock faces very much. I have some cork bark which is very thick and curved and difficult to work.
We've had some warmer weather the last few days and my wife is thinking about putting me out for a while! She says I'll be allowed in at nights. :worried:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 16, 2018, 08:54:57 PM
I didnít know tortoises needing grouting. One does learn a lot on this forum ;)
:laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 17, 2018, 07:36:42 AM
I didnít know tortoises needing grouting. One does learn a lot on this forum ;)
:laughabovepost:

I guess heís trying to lighten up the ďjointsĒ in the shells  :D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on February 17, 2018, 07:51:46 AM
I guess heís trying to lighten up the ďjointsĒ in the shells  :D
I did wonder about the aroma.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 17, 2018, 04:04:24 PM
Huge problem here today.
The tortoises are still very sleepy.  Iíve painted one to look like a rockface by mistake  :no:  :D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on February 17, 2018, 04:08:00 PM
So you can now film with the train standing still and the scenery moving past in the background :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: JohnN on February 17, 2018, 04:14:52 PM
 :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on February 17, 2018, 09:54:16 PM
Are you sure it's the tortoises that are sleepy? :no:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 19, 2018, 05:42:41 PM
Some progress made over the last few days. Iím at the stage of having lots of waiting between shaping, sticking, painting and grassing but Iím taking my time as I think this section is a crucial part of the scene.
Anyway, the main upland area now in place but not finally fixed yet. Iíd be interested in thoughts.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-190218173034.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62074)
And a more distant view to give a perspective
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-190218173133.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62075)
The area  bottom left will  be a field (probably with cattle). The bark will be a rocky outcrop.
The tree wonít be there. Itís just my very first attemt at making a tree from a grape stalk. Still considering how it looks at the moment.
Now. Another picture :
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-190218173956.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62076)
I have this Metcalfe station building spare and Iíd like to use it. Obviously Iíd add to the platform and add another platform across the track (with footbridge access). The station is VERY grand for a country station but Iím thinking the GWR could have planned to make Tregonning into something special (a scheme which never developed). Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: AlexanderJesse on February 19, 2018, 06:15:55 PM
Nice, your left corner with the train squeezing through the rocks.

The station is VERY grand for a country station but Iím thinking the GWR could have planned to make Tregonning into something special (a scheme which never developed). Any thoughts?

Maybe the "town" (or the landowner?) have teamed up with GWR and have included some administrative location into the station building, that's why it had to be built bigger than what would be expected. Plus plans to develop some areas close by to become a regional center?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 19, 2018, 08:05:43 PM
Thanks for the latest update, Martin. Very good photos. I think the scenery in the first two photos. is already looking very good. The cliff face and grass look highly realistic.

The station building is indeed very grand for a minor branchline in Cornwall. However, if the branchline was, originally, promoted by a local landowner plus local businesses, and was connected with the building of a nearby grand country hotel, the "Tregonning Castle", to bring money into the area, the station platform would have had to be suitably grand for the upper-class guests arriving for some shootin' and fishin'. The hotel could be a small low-relief building on the skyline or completely 'off-scene'.

Depending on whether the hotel continued to prosper into the 1960s, a through carriage (ideally a BCK) could be attached to the branch train which was then conveyed to/from Paddington on a mainline express from the junction.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: trkilliman on February 19, 2018, 08:26:26 PM
This is coming along very nicely Martin, I'll have to look at this a bit closer...
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 19, 2018, 08:29:51 PM
This is coming along very nicely Martin, I'll have to look at this a bit closer...
Iím sure we can arrange a visit soon Steve.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 20, 2018, 07:05:46 PM
No pictures but more progress made today.
Iíve completed the tunnel mouth which will form a dead end to the spur off the main line. This will, eventually, be largely unseen - hidden by the road over bridge.
Iíve filled in the area between the ballast edging and the rock faces. When dry (tomorrow) I can sweep up any loose bits then I can add a few weeds etc.
Iíve painted the rocky outcrop and laid static grass in the pasture land around them. This will eventually be populated with cattle.
Iíve added the end of the road down the side of the hill. Eventually this road surface will be covered with cardboard then topped off with fine sandpaper. This will be a new approach to making roads for me so Iím interested to see how it turns out.
This afternoon we took in a walk (plus coffee) at Tehidy Country Park. Being near to Camborne, I popped into the model shop to pick up some Peco platform edging strips which I shall utilise as the sides for the two road overbridges. These have been cut to shape this evening and painted in undercoat.
Iíve also decided that I will use the rather grand Metcalfe station building. To that end (whilst at the model shop) I bought the Metcalfe platform kit to complement the building.
Paint, glue and grout now all drying so thatís it for this evening.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 21, 2018, 07:53:36 AM
Looking excellent Martin. Rocks looking as if they need some adventurous climbers!  ;)
Good to hear that the station is becoming permanent  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 23, 2018, 07:09:56 PM
Iíve been making slow but steady progress on Tregonning these past few days.
First, the bottom left corner. The area to the right of the loco is obviously not completed plus I have the low backscene to do where the foam backing is.
Iím also contemplating the telegraph poles.  Not sure yet.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-230218190635.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62203)
Plus, Iím working on the double road over bridge. Not finished yet but I think it looks ok. The pannier is coming off the dead end where there is a tunnel mouth hidden from view. The main track circle veers off to the righr.
A few bushes etc will be added to the hillside.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-230218190926.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62204)
Apologies, the shadow of my head has crept in.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on February 23, 2018, 09:37:33 PM
Looking great! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 23, 2018, 09:53:02 PM
Excellent work, Martin. I'd add a plain pale blue sky backscene and have a low wall or "Cornish hedge" in front of it to hide the join. The vegetation looks highly realistic.

I'd add telegraph poles, last as they're too easy to get caught on a sleeve. (I have still to add mine along the front embankment for that reason.)

The dead-end line is an excellent idea. Good to see a 12-Ton Eastern Ventilated Van in BR Bauxite behind the pannier tank. They are fairly common in photos. of goods trains in North Cornwall. (I've no idea what they carried though.)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on February 23, 2018, 10:20:37 PM
Hi Martin,

All great stuff. Am loving your bark rocks even more now. I'm working tomorrow but will be armed with my pruning saw while taking the dogs out on Sunday for experimental bark gathering. Dead (ish) of course.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 24, 2018, 09:17:41 AM
Please, Chris (Weave) ensure that any bark you gather is dead. When you get it home, leave it to dry out on some old newspaper after you've cleaned it of any dirt and insects. I then slowly 'bake' gathered wood (in my case, twigs for 2MM Scale logs) on a baking tray in the oven at a low heat (to prevent burning) to kill off any insects and dry it out thoroughly. "Polyfilla", or similar plaster filler, can then be used to fill in any holes to make it look more rock-like.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 24, 2018, 09:27:33 AM
One thought that occurs to me, Martin, is that there should be a small signalbox built into the cutting side to control the junction. I'd try 'kit-bashing' the KESTREL KD12 SMALL SIGNAL BOX PLASTIC KIT N GAUGE KD12 one with the Ratio interior.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 24, 2018, 11:49:47 AM
 :hellosign: Catching up with your thread Martin & wow  :thumbsup: looking really excellent, love that rock face, so lifelike
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 24, 2018, 08:36:27 PM
Thanks for the comments everyone.
Chris-the signalbox is already in my plans.
A bit more work done today in between a bit of shopping then some digging in of manure at the allotment (some dry weather at long last).
Anyway, Iíve been doing some detailing around the two over bridges :
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-240218203217.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62224)
The next photograph is an overview of progress to date - including a start on the road over the hill:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-240218203359.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62225)
And this is where the station will sit. Platforms still to be constructed:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-240218203509.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62226)
No trains are actually running at the moment. Too much glue, grass, scatter and loose ballast around the track. However, the small prarie looks the part I think.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on February 24, 2018, 08:44:46 PM
Superb :thumbsup: Difficult to believe it's in a small(ish) case.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on February 24, 2018, 09:08:39 PM
I do apologise Martin for not posting earlier, but WOW all is looking really good.

As others have said, the rock faces are awesome, and all is coming together so well. I always look forward to seeing your progress, and your track / scenery relationship always looks so natural.

Thank you for sharing how fab it is getting to be

With all kindness and best wishes,
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: zwilnik on February 24, 2018, 09:29:19 PM
One thought that occurs to me, Martin, is that there should be a small signalbox built into the cutting side to control the junction. I'd try 'kit-bashing' the KESTREL KD12 SMALL SIGNAL BOX PLASTIC KIT N GAUGE KD12 one with the Ratio interior.

Osborneís laser cut Lynton & Barnstaple one might be a good option too. Itís small and you specify the name on the name board for it when you order it.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 24, 2018, 09:36:09 PM
One thought that occurs to me, Martin, is that there should be a small signalbox built into the cutting side to control the junction. I'd try 'kit-bashing' the KESTREL KD12 SMALL SIGNAL BOX PLASTIC KIT N GAUGE KD12 one with the Ratio interior.

Osborneís laser cut Lynton & Barnstaple one might be a good option too. Itís small and you specify the name on the name board for it when you order it.

I did look at the very nice little Lynton & Barnstaple signalbox but thought it was only available in 00 Gauge, plus, it is not a GWR design.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: zwilnik on February 24, 2018, 09:41:30 PM
One thought that occurs to me, Martin, is that there should be a small signalbox built into the cutting side to control the junction. I'd try 'kit-bashing' the KESTREL KD12 SMALL SIGNAL BOX PLASTIC KIT N GAUGE KD12 one with the Ratio interior.



Osborneís laser cut Lynton & Barnstaple one might be a good option too. Itís small and you specify the name on the name board for it when you order it.


I did look at the very nice little Lynton & Barnstaple signalbox but thought it was only available in 00 Gauge, plus, it is not a GWR design.


Definitely available in N as I got one for Ivebridge, I just kind of ignored the "not really a GWR" bit on the basis that the bit of line it's on could possilbly have been taken over by GWR and repainted (as Ivebridge is set kind of west ish but central enough to allow some shared usage of lines) or recycled from another acquired line to use on the branch line.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/8-230616114436.png)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 24, 2018, 09:45:06 PM
Very nice scenic work, Martin. The layout is coming along very well with very realistic scenery.

For the layout of the station goods yard, Thorverton in South Devon, suitably compressed, of course, might provide some inspiration:

http://www.exevalleyrailway.com/thorveton (http://www.exevalleyrailway.com/thorveton)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on February 24, 2018, 10:24:47 PM


([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-230218190926.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62204[/url])



Is it just me, or is there a, (grumpy looking), head in the rock face where the tracks diverge?  ??? :goggleeyes:

Bye the way, some excellent modelling.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 25, 2018, 07:44:11 AM
Now you say it.......Iím going to notice that now!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: trkilliman on February 25, 2018, 08:52:33 AM
Ruddy Hell Martin, you are a man of many hidden talents.

A Gargoyle fashoined into the rock face. It fits well as there are some strange findings down here in Cornwall!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 25, 2018, 09:04:55 AM
Ruddy Hell Martin, you are a man of many hidden talents.

A Gargoyle fashoined into the rock face. It fits well as there are some strange findings down here in Cornwall!
Ha Ha.tis the Beast of Kestle Mill. Legend says he murdered his sister in 1455. The locals strung him up to die atop the rock where his face is replicated now. Tis said he creeps out at night, prowling the area. Local enginemen always approach the junction with care.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 25, 2018, 09:25:47 AM
Yes, I can see the rock face, too. (BTW, Gargoyles are grotesque carved human or animal faces or figures projecting from the gutter of a building, typically acting as a spout to carry water clear of a wall.)

Re: the Osborneís laser cut Lynton & Barnstaple signalbox. Many branchlines were paid for by local railway companies who, later, sold out to a mainline company, so the signalbox could well be a pre-GWR design, e.g. a Saxby and Farmer contractor design.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 25, 2018, 09:31:21 AM
Ruddy Hell Martin, you are a man of many hidden talents.

A Gargoyle fashoined into the rock face. It fits well as there are some strange findings down here in Cornwall!
Ha Ha.tis the Beast of Kestle Mill. Legend says he murdered his sister in 1455. The locals strung him up to die atop the rock where his face is replicated now. Tis said he creeps out at night, prowling the area. Local enginemen always approach the junction with care.

Reminds me of "The Signal-Man", adapted in 1976 by BBC TV from an 1866 short story by Charles Dickens. The story was adapted by Andrew Davies as the BBC's sixth 'Ghost Story for Christmas', with Denholm Elliott starring as the signalman. The railway signalman of the title tells of an apparition that has been haunting him . . .
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: trkilliman on February 25, 2018, 10:08:16 AM
You could have a theme throughout the layout. How about a rock face carved with the patron Saint of Pasties...St. Crimp.  Serious business down here are the Pasties. Many a family will sit down today to a huge home made Pasty, served on a meat platter. I have actually seen this, it's tradition.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 25, 2018, 07:35:25 PM
A bit more work today.
Iíve started on the Metcalfe platforms:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-250218192816.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62273)
Today, I rediscovered an Osbornís signal box that I bought a few years back for Port Perran. I never built it as I was never happy with it. I feel those laser cut kits look a little two dimensional. Iím also not entirely happy with the scale?
Anyway, I built the carcass earlier to see how it looks either on the platform or by the lineside (see below). What do you think?
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-250218193109.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62274)
Iíve added some yellow flowers to the dark bushes to make them look like gorse (which is abundant down here). Iíll let this sample dry before I continue but I think it looks ok.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-250218193249.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62275)
Finally, a trial backscene. Being in a case the backscene isnít so vital so Iím considering very pale blue. I think it represents sky and draws the eye to the greenery. Ignore the messy brush strokes - itís just a test. Does it look ok?
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-250218193509.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62276)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: AlexanderJesse on February 25, 2018, 07:40:48 PM
Anyway, I built the carcass earlier to see how it looks either on the platform or by the lineside (see below). What do you think?
I think it looks nice.
(not being a an "islander" though)

Finally, a trial backscene. Being in a case the backscene isnít so vital so Iím considering very pale blue. I think it represents sky and draws the eye to the greenery. Ignore the messy brush strokes - itís just a test. Does it look ok?
I like that mix of light blue and off-white.
And guess what I like most... the messy brush strokes. Gives it a somewhat 3dimensional look and feel

The other pictures look nice. Do the cows get some fence in the future?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: zwilnik on February 25, 2018, 07:41:19 PM
Looking good!

I think that larger signal box works better as a lineside one than as a platform one though. It looks a bit hefty for a platform box on a small station. It might work better at the far end of the platform in the pic (in the red earth ground area in the distance).

The back scene is definitely on the right lines. As you say, it's more to provide contrast with the grass and give a horizon.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 25, 2018, 07:44:42 PM
Anyway, I built the carcass earlier to see how it looks either on the platform or by the lineside (see below). What do you think?
I think it looks nice.
(not being a an "islander" though)

Finally, a trial backscene. Being in a case the backscene isnít so vital so Iím considering very pale blue. I think it represents sky and draws the eye to the greenery. Ignore the messy brush strokes - itís just a test. Does it look ok?
I like that mix of light blue and off-white.
And guess what I like most... the messy brush strokes. Gives it a somewhat 3dimensional look and feel

The other pictures look nice. Do the cows get some fence in the future?
Fence is in place though not easy to see in the pictures.
And yes, looking again, I rather like the rough brishstrokes on the backscene.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 25, 2018, 07:47:03 PM
Thanks for the latest update. I think the signalbox is much too big for the location as it is built to use far more signal levers than would ever be needed. You could try cutting it down by a third of its length using a very sharp craft knife?

The Peedie Models drystone walls look good.

Glad to see that you have your Class 08 on clearance trials.

Your gorse looks better than mine. I need to add more dark green to mine with paint dots.

A very pale blue backscene with flat paint should look fine, Martin.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 25, 2018, 07:47:58 PM
Looking good!

I think that larger signal box works better as a lineside one than as a platform one though. It looks a bit hefty for a platform box on a small station. It might work better at the far end of the platform in the pic (in the red earth ground area in the distance).

The back scene is definitely on the right lines. As you say, it's more to provide contrast with the grass and give a horizon.
Thanks. I agree with the comments re the signalbox. Itís possibly too big even for the lineside. It wouldnít be a hard job I think to cut it down in size a bit to two windows length to make it more branchlinne like. However, I may favour the Peco one or even the small Metcalfe one (I already have one of those on Trepol Bay).
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 25, 2018, 07:49:27 PM
Thanks for the latest update. I think the signalbox is much too big for the location as it is built to use far more signal levers than would ever be needed. You could try cutting it down by a third of its length using a very sharp craft knife?

The Peedie Models drystone walls look good.

Glad to see that you have your Class 08 on clearance trials.

Your gorse looks better than mine. I need to add more dark green to mine with paint dots.

A very pale blue backscene with flat paint should look fine, Martin.
Thanks Chris. You read my mine re cutting down the signalbox. Your reply came in as I wastyping exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on February 25, 2018, 08:23:30 PM
Looking as good as ever.  :thumbsup:. Signal box - definitely more a lineside feature; Gorse bushes - if they are anything like the ones surrounding me, more yellow flowers would not look out of place; Back scene, looks okay to me as is.  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on February 25, 2018, 08:56:13 PM
Getting betterer and betterer. Yes the signal box is a bit over size. Would making it a ground level box be better?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 25, 2018, 08:58:26 PM
I had thought about that, too, Brian. There was at least one small ground level box on the Newquay line (Middleway Bridge Crossing Ground Frame, a big name for a little box! also: St Blazey Bridge Crossing Box). Ideally, it should be built into the cutting side so that the signalman could see the junction.

Something like Highley's could be made from cutting down the top of the Osborne's box and mounting it on a Cornish stone base:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/36/89/7c368977d29b44ee3855ae0cc1ac06e2.jpg
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on February 25, 2018, 09:40:18 PM
That gives me an idea for my new creation!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: MalcolmInN on February 25, 2018, 10:32:29 PM
(BTW, Gargoyles are grotesque carved human or animal faces or figures projecting from the gutter of a building, typically acting as a spout to carry water clear of a wall.)
Actually, I think (! dimly remembered from a forum somewhere with quick check on googling :) ), not exactly typically, the spout (or throat, from old French) is the defining characteristic of all gargoyles. Otherwise they would be just other carvings and known as Grotesques.

In other words all gargoyles are grotesques, but not all grotesques are gargoyles :)
(end trivia  :D )

Good build, nice rock face @port perran (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230) :)

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: MalcolmInN on February 25, 2018, 10:42:43 PM
served on a meat platter.
As I was born and live beyond the pale, (the Tamar Bridge is it still ?) am I to understand that is because a Proper Pasty has no meat in it ? I prefer an improper pasty (lower case :) ), one with meat inside, and she must obey me  !

 ducks&runs
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 26, 2018, 10:57:09 AM
served on a meat platter.
As I was born and live beyond the pale, (the Tamar Bridge is it still ?) am I to understand that is because a Proper Pasty has no meat in it ? I prefer an improper pasty (lower case :) ), one with meat inside, and she must obey me  !

 ducks&runs
No meat in a pasty, No meat in a pasty!!!!!   You must be joking  :D
The one thing you never EVER put in a pasty is carrot.
About 10 years ago Sainsburyís caused a real stink down here with their own brand Cornish Pasties. They had carrot in them,  >:D
A pet hate which we see a lot is this sign - Cornish Pastyís Sold Here. Whatís the apostrophe for?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on February 26, 2018, 11:11:16 AM
Whatís the apostrophe for?

Denotes carrot content?  ;)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 26, 2018, 11:16:23 AM
Getting betterer and betterer. Yes the signal box is a bit over size. Would making it a ground level box be better?
I like this an idea. I may give it a go this afternoon. That Osbornís laser kit was expensive.it was an impulse buy some years ago and Iíve always regretted it. So....if I slice it up I wonít be too worried.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: MalcolmInN on February 26, 2018, 03:03:28 PM
served on a meat platter.
As I was born and live beyond the pale, (the Tamar Bridge is it still ?) am I to understand that is because a Proper Pasty has no meat in it ? I prefer an improper pasty (lower case :) ), one with meat inside, and she must obey me  !

 ducks&runs
No meat in a pasty, No meat in a pasty!!!!!   You must be joking  :D
The one thing you never EVER put in a pasty is carrot.
About 10 years ago Sainsburyís caused a real stink down here with their own brand Cornish Pasties. They had carrot in them,  >:D
A pet hate which we see a lot is this sign - Cornish Pastyís Sold Here. Whatís the apostrophe for?
Oh I see. said the blind man ! Obviously I need more carets ^  (good one Tut. !)

So why "on a meat platter" as Tk. said  - now I am confused (not unusual)  just for extra protein ?

Must be that when I obtained my further education at a renowned institution in Plymouth (still on the wrong side of the pale but close ) they didnt let me in on the full secrets :)

Sorry for the diversion, keep up the superb work  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 26, 2018, 04:26:43 PM
Getting betterer and betterer. Yes the signal box is a bit over size. Would making it a ground level box be better?
I like this an idea. I may give it a go this afternoon. That Osbornís laser kit was expensive.it was an impulse buy some years ago and Iíve always regretted it. So....if I slice it up I wonít be too worried.
Decision made. I now have a small ground frame box with a flat roof. Or at least, I will have when glue and paint are dry.
The bonus is that I get a nice little lineside buildng (maybe a parcels office) made up of the lower level and the roof of the signal box.
Photos in due course.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 26, 2018, 04:36:52 PM
Getting betterer and betterer. Yes the signal box is a bit over size. Would making it a ground level box be better?
I like this an idea. I may give it a go this afternoon. That Osbornís laser kit was expensive.it was an impulse buy some years ago and Iíve always regretted it. So....if I slice it up I wonít be too worried.
Decision made. I now have a small ground frame box with a flat roof. Or at least, I will have when glue and paint are dry.
The bonus is that I get a nice little lineside buildng (maybe a parcels office) made up of the lower level and the roof of the signal box.
Photos in due course.

A flat roof, in Cornwall? Can you make it sloping downwards from the back to front instead? A house I once owned had a flat-roofed porch; very expensive to keep the rain out!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 26, 2018, 04:38:38 PM
Getting betterer and betterer. Yes the signal box is a bit over size. Would making it a ground level box be better?
I like this an idea. I may give it a go this afternoon. That Osbornís laser kit was expensive.it was an impulse buy some years ago and Iíve always regretted it. So....if I slice it up I wonít be too worried.
Decision made. I now have a small ground frame box with a flat roof. Or at least, I will have when glue and paint are dry.
The bonus is that I get a nice little lineside buildng (maybe a parcels office) made up of the lower level and the roof of the signal box.
Photos in due course.

A flat roof, in Cornwall? Can you make it sloping downwards from the back to front instead? A house I once owned had a flat-roofed porch; very expensive to keep the rain out!
Too late. And.....hopefully flat roofs are ok. We have a flat roof on our bathroom - been there 20 years and ok so far. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 26, 2018, 07:08:51 PM
Been working on bits and pieces today in between other things.
The ground frame box is in place though there is some detailing to add. Iím also adding a farm crossing which is just popped in place at the moment. 14xx rounds the curve with a local goods train :
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-260218190607.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62396)
Iíve done a bit more detailing on the hill and road plus Iíve made the small office/hut (with the brown roof)out of the remains of the signal box. Not sure if it will stay where it is:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-260218190839.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62397)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 26, 2018, 07:22:09 PM
Thanks for the update, Martin. They all look good. The signalman should now be able to see the junction from the corner of the signalbox.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 26, 2018, 07:42:10 PM
Thanks for the update, Martin. They all look good. The signalman should now be able to see the junction from the corner of the signalbox.
Yes, Iíve checked that he can see plus heíll be able to see the signal (when it appears). Iím thinking of adding point rodding from the box to the junction. I have a plan to replicate the rods.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on February 26, 2018, 08:42:59 PM
That looks better :thumbsup:
It could double up as a Cornish Pasty, without carrots of course, deli where the pasties are sun baked on the roof in Cornish sunshine. A nice little earner for the signalman :)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 27, 2018, 08:42:01 AM
Thanks for the update, Martin. They all look good. The signalman should now be able to see the junction from the corner of the signalbox.
Yes, Iíve checked that he can see plus heíll be able to see the signal (when it appears). Iím thinking of adding point rodding from the box to the junction. I have a plan to replicate the rods.

Excellent, Martin. I look forward to seeing how you tackle the point rodding; not often modelled in N Scale.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 27, 2018, 08:10:49 PM
Quite a lot done today but I have lots of weights holding things down whilst glue dries so no photos except this attempt at a short section of point rodding.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-270218200859.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62424)
Itís a bit untidy and I need to do a bit more scenic work. It actually looks better to the eye than in this close up. The rodding is not quite complete and not painted.
Iím still in two minds about it but will sleep on it.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 27, 2018, 08:22:29 PM
Thanks for the update, Martin. I think the point rodding looks good and will look even better when you've finished it. I'd keep it.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on February 27, 2018, 09:09:53 PM
Isn't it a bit narrow to sleep on? :worried:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 27, 2018, 11:15:33 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for the updates Martin, all looking good including the point rodding 
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 28, 2018, 07:39:14 AM
Iím with Mito on this, looks a bit too narrow.... :D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 28, 2018, 05:30:29 PM
Isn't it a bit narrow to sleep on? :worried:

Having slept on it the result is....a bad back (only joking). Decided to stick with the point rodding.
Lots of titivating with the grassy area of the layout today which is now nearing completion. An overall shot today to show progress.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-280218172706.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62456)
Lots to do on and around the station but I think Iíll now move on to the creamery next as that is a major scenic project and will (hopefully) be a focal point.. It will occupy the area around the two sidings over by the small tube of glue.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on February 28, 2018, 05:48:10 PM
That is looking really good. It gives the impression of looking much bigger than it is. :goggleeyes:  Impatient to see the creamery. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 28, 2018, 08:06:04 PM
Itís a few weeks since I ran a train on Tregonning so this evening, I thought I had better check that all was ok.
We see a 64xx pannier with a short goods on the completed scenic section.
Sorry itís a little fast. Where Iíve been working (with glue, paint, grass etc) the tracks are covered with all sorts of gunk and need a good clean.
Works ok though.
https://youtu.be/o_xq7iPoDYQ
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 01, 2018, 07:36:26 AM
Looking very good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on March 01, 2018, 04:06:18 PM
This is fantastic progress, Martin.

My travels over the past couple of weeks led to me being four pages out of date with this thread.

I have now taken advantage of being snowed in to catch up.

This is going to be a terrific layout.

With all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Milton Rail on March 02, 2018, 09:07:07 AM
Superb Martin - its looking very smart!

You have made terriffic progress
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Biggy on March 02, 2018, 09:11:59 AM
 Looking really good Martin. It really has the feel of a full size layout. Looking forward to seeing 5he creamery
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 02, 2018, 04:24:05 PM
Moving on to the creamery. Yesterday and today, Iíve got the bare bones done to give an idea as to how it will look.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-020318161612.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62506)
So we hav3 the outline of the main building but no detailing yet.Where the 2 white card pieces are will be sliding doors. Above this across to the small island will be a sloping roofed canopy. Various bits are drying.
The squarish building to the left of the tanker will have a loading bay (with canopy) opening onto the near siding.
There will be various pipes, a chimney, two large storage tanks and a rail tanker cleaning facility.
The Palethorpes van was the first siphon to come to hand for sizing and, of course, the 08 is in use for clearance testing.
Lots to do but it is coming together.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on March 02, 2018, 04:34:14 PM
Wonderful progress!  This will be an attractive building.

The creamery is ahead of its time in the bottling system used, going by the number of plastic milk bottle tops that are in the picture!

Thank you for the photograph.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 02, 2018, 04:37:48 PM
Wonderful progress!  This will be an attractive building.

The creamery is ahead of its time in the bottling system used, going by the number of plastic milk bottle tops that are in the picture!

Thank you for the photograph.

Best wishes.

John
They are ideal for mixing small quantities of paint.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 03, 2018, 08:14:32 AM
Wonderful progress!  This will be an attractive building.

The creamery is ahead of its time in the bottling system used, going by the number of plastic milk bottle tops that are in the picture!

Thank you for the photograph.

Best wishes.

John
They are ideal for mixing small quantities of paint.

Such a cunning solution (why havenít I thought of this,  :dunce:).

  Building looking good already.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: JohnN on March 03, 2018, 09:39:10 AM
Tregonning is really coming along well Martin. An enjoyable thread to follow too.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Biggy on March 03, 2018, 09:48:47 AM
Looking really good. I hadnít thought to use milk bottle tops for this. David Attenborough will be delighted😏
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 03, 2018, 02:29:04 PM
 :hellosign: All coming together really well Martin, excellent progress
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 05, 2018, 06:19:19 PM
Iíve been workng on the creamery.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-050318181620.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62623)
Iím not sure about it but I think it will look ok when all the other scenery is in place. Still a lot to do on the building and more buildings and pipework to add to tye creamery complex.
Iím not one for perfection model wise as I prefer my buildings to be viewed at normal distance and sitting in the landscape. Hopefully itíll be ok.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on March 05, 2018, 08:02:19 PM
It's looking good.  An interesting building.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 05, 2018, 08:07:06 PM
thanks for the latest update with photo., Martin. The creamery is coming along well. It's well worth adding guttering and downpipes, I think.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Milton Rail on March 06, 2018, 01:30:36 PM
Looks great Martin, I share your habit of collecting the tops of plastic containers to mix paint on ... out here at work we get big 5L water bottles to fill the tea urn (though it only ever seems to be me who seems to fill it    :veryangry: ) and they have great shallow 40mm diameter lids

Your thread has inspired me to think about a track plan for my own Keyboard case that is currently languishing in my workshop. ... been a good distraction in boring meetings & I am getting close to an idea I can start to share.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 06, 2018, 08:32:29 PM
 :hellosign: The Creamery is looking superb Martin nice modelling  :thumbsup:
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on March 06, 2018, 08:40:01 PM
Coming on well :thumbsup:
Just a thought, using small quantities of paint, wouldn't it be better to use beer bottle tops. Certainly more fun emptying the contents.  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 08, 2018, 07:40:55 PM
Work is ongoing with the creamery but it involves lots of construction, sticking and painting so no puctures for a day or so.
However, I have this signal. Does it look ok?
It may not be prototypically correct but I think itís not far off. Do people think it looks ok? Just blu tacked into place for now:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-080318193605.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62710)
Plus, Iíve been working on the area around the station yard/car park and the paddock opposite. This is how itís looking. That station ramp isnít fixed yet and will have railings attached. The young chap seems to have made friends with the horse.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-080318193848.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62712)
And this is an over iew of the left side of the case as it stands at the moment :
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-080318194017.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62713)
Iím reasonably pleased with the way this area is developing so far.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 08, 2018, 07:51:49 PM
Thanks for the latest update, Martin. Three very good photos. The scenery looks very good and the animals and people really add to it. The signal is fine if the main line is the right hand one at the junction. (On a 'junction signal' post, the signal post and signals are always higher for the main line.)

I must get a green double-decker 'bus.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 08, 2018, 08:08:09 PM
Thanks for the latest update, Martin. Three very good photos. The scenery looks very good and the animals and people really add to it. The signal is fine if the main line is the right hand one at the junction. (On a 'junction signal' post, the signal post and signals are always higher for the main line.)

I must get a green double-decker 'bus.
Thanks Chris. There will be more people but Iím taking a leaf out of Kevin (Phoenix) book ie choosing little folk to fit particular cameo scenes very carefully so people will be added as I aquire them.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on March 08, 2018, 08:36:00 PM
Coming along extremely well, Martin, and the signal looks fine to me
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Milton Rail on March 08, 2018, 08:49:01 PM
Lovely photo's Martin, keep forgetting the size of box it is in .. looks very spacious
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on March 08, 2018, 08:52:21 PM
However, I have this signal. Does it look ok?
It may not be prototypically correct but I think itís not far off. Do people think it looks ok? Just blu tacked into place for now:
 

I think the signal is perfect, Martin.  Of course to someone like me it's unusual to be on this side of the track, but this is Great Western-land where these things happened more often, as the driver was on the right side (the wrong side?!) of the footplate.  And it is on a sharp curve which would make this side even more likely.  If a Southern locomotive works over the line the driver will probably not be too happy.  If it is a BR Standard class (all left-hand drive) he certainly won't be (unless running bunker-first!).

As for the signal: starting signal and slotted distant for the main line and a starting signal for the branch that the 'Pannier' is coming off (as Chris [IP] helpfully says).  You know that there are stop arms on the signal posts as the finials have a red ball (yellow for a distant, but red if stop and distant are on the same post).  This helps if the signal arm falls off - it was a GW thing!

Thank you very much for the lovely pictures and I'm glad that the young chap is making friends with the horse.  I greatly approve of this.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: trkilliman on March 08, 2018, 09:14:00 PM
It's looking really good Martin...it seems to have the Tardis effect.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 10, 2018, 11:57:33 AM
This is where I am with the creamery.
Remember itís rough at the moment, Iím just getting a feel for the layout.
Iíve toned down the roof and buildings and added a tanker filling gantry.
Iím also adding a steam cleaning tank gantry(far left).the big white tank is in place just to get a feel for it but I think itíll look ok.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-100318115725.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62768)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 10, 2018, 12:12:29 PM
It's looking really good Martin...it seems to have the Tardis effect.
Thanks Steve. The Tardis effect is exactly what Iím trying to create. I think itís important to create a sense of space without overdoing things.
Weíll see how it progresses.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 10, 2018, 03:36:59 PM
Coming along very well, Martin. Take your time over the dairy and I'm sure you'll have every reason to be very pleased with the final results. You're fortunate to have the time to devote to getting everything just right.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: DaveGlew on March 10, 2018, 04:51:26 PM
I'm watching progress closely as I am seeking inspiration for my own milk depot/creamery.......... Will send royalties for the ideas I plagerise :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on March 10, 2018, 05:01:17 PM
All looking fantastic Martin. :thumbsup:

Coming along really nicely  :D :D :D

All best wishes
Kevin
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 10, 2018, 07:33:05 PM
Whilst the builders are hard at work with the creamery, the station staff at Tregonning station are busy getting things spick and span. This includes tending to the flower beds:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-100318193252.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62792)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 10, 2018, 07:47:09 PM
Very nice scenic work, indeed, Martin. The whole scene looks highly realistic. I'm looking forward to creating some flower beds, this summer, at Cant Cove. Probably the railwaymen's cottage gardens, first.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 10, 2018, 07:55:11 PM
Apologies that the flower bed is out of focus. Iíll attempt a better shot next time!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on March 10, 2018, 09:21:03 PM
What a lovely photograph!

A welcome reminder that there is such a thing as summer.

Thank you very much.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 10, 2018, 10:18:33 PM
As I've experienced, taking sharp close-ups is not easy, Martin. The photo. still gives a very good impression of your very good scenic work.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on March 11, 2018, 06:57:25 AM
That's a great picture, Martin. :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on March 11, 2018, 05:11:13 PM

Lovely picture Martin  :thumbsup:

Best wishes
Kevin
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 12, 2018, 05:17:26 PM
Now that Iím retired I am really enjoying taking time to position everything. I used to rather rush things. As an example, Iíve spent ages thinking about the position of a single tree this afternoon. Iíve finally decided - picture later as I have a rather unscenic set of pliers holding it in place for a bit whilst the glue dries.
Tomorrow, I plan to think about the platform buildings  for the island platform. Iím thinking the Metcalfe Wayside station shelter (stone) as a foul for the rather grand station building on the opposite platform.
I then need to consider a footbridge which needs to be simplistic I think.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 12, 2018, 07:30:41 PM
So this is the tree Iíve been thinking about. Iíve added a small lineside hut with a ladder and cable drum. The tree looks a little out of place at the moment but I think it should be ok once I have a building on the island platform.
You can see where the creamery will be further along but I think the phone camera has foreshortened the distance rather:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-120318192151.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62873)
Next we have an overview of the station area - a bit more detailing done today. I do however need to sweep up with my mini vac
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-120318192337.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62874)
Next, a photo of the flower bed that I photographed badly yesterday. The station staff are very proud of their gardening skills. Iíve added a platform border. Maybe Iíll add some white flowers to those short bushes between the flowers and the fence?
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-120318192624.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62876)
Finally an overview of the left corner (which is nearing completion).that signal is too low. The train clears it but itís mighty close!
A few little people will liven things up I think.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-120318192848.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62878)

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on March 12, 2018, 07:38:04 PM
Terrific photographs, thank you.

The tree looks perfect.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on March 12, 2018, 08:11:03 PM
As an example, Iíve spent ages thinking about the position of a single tree this afternoon. Iíve finally decided - picture later as I have a rather unscenic set of pliers holding it in place for a bit whilst the glue dries.
You're begiining to sound like an ancient chinese artist looking at a piece of jade and spending a great deal of time deciding what to make.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on March 12, 2018, 08:47:27 PM
A super set of photos :thumbsup: How do you make the flower beds?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 12, 2018, 08:55:33 PM
A super set of photos :thumbsup: How do you make the flower beds?
The long strip is a freebie I got a while back when I bought some trees (I think from the model tree shop).
The large bed is just tiny segments of Woodland Scenics  foliage clusters (in varying sizes) glued onto soil coloured scatter material. I then add tiny spots of acryllic paint to create flowers. The front retaining sleeper is a toffee apple stick.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 12, 2018, 09:05:43 PM
That all looks very good indeed, Martin. The tree is fine. It's definitely worth doing such work slowly and taking time to think things through and try out alternatives. Whenever I've rushed things on Cant Cove the results have not been good. (I admit though that I do work very slowly and only when I have uninterrupted free time.) The flowerbeds are particularly fine. With the scenic work around it, the station does not look too big. I think parking bays should be marked out as, otherwise, parked cars can easily be blocked in and the 'bus driver will have to reverse out as two cars are blocking the turning area!

Very good to see the 14xx and BR / Hawksworth autocoach in the bay platform. The "Chelsea Girls' are looking forward to a Spring weekend break.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 14, 2018, 01:59:11 PM
Iím progressing the station area with some detailing plus the station building on the island platform and the footbridge (neither of which are finished yet).
I had to compromise on the footbridge with steps going in opposite directions but , for me, it works well enough.
Iím undecided about the flowebed under the small wall. It matches a similar one at the opposite end of the platform but Iíll make a decision about this one later.
The area where the tree is (near the box van) is going to be a small park area.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-140318135808.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62939)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/230-140318135854.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62940)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on March 14, 2018, 11:40:20 PM
Hi Martin,

All fantastic as usual.

Have been looking at how you made the curve round the terminus track/station look right. I'm having problems as think mine looks wrong. It's probably as yours is a more rural setting. Not sure. Dilemmas on my thread with pics tomorrow.

Anyway, all looks great and as I said to Ditape, PLEASE SLOW DOWN  :)

Cheers weave  :beers:



Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 15, 2018, 07:36:37 AM
Great photos, terrific modelling and fast progress!  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: DaveGlew on March 15, 2018, 07:59:06 AM
Love the platform surface..... Nice to see something other than metcalfe tarmac  ;)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 15, 2018, 07:14:34 PM
Thank you for the excellent photos. and update, Martin. It's all looking very good. My only comment is that there should be an extension of the platform to the siding where the white-roofed brown van is standing to the side and rear. Typically, the end of such sidings was, originally, used for the loading and unloading of the horse-drawn coaches of the nobility which were carried on flat wagons behind passenger trains. Later, it would be used for loading and unloading parcels and sundries carried in vans attached to passenger trains. At present, it would be difficult to do that with the van standing on the siding. If the platform was continued behind the van, at the end of the siding, a road vehicle, such as a lorry could back up to the platform, making the transfer of less-than-vanload passenger-rated goods items easy. Ditto a GPO van.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 15, 2018, 10:23:17 PM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign: All looking really excellent Martin,
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Milton Rail on March 16, 2018, 07:58:35 PM
Lovely photographs Martin, looking great, you're fairly racing on with this project
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 27, 2018, 04:48:29 PM
So......back into modelling.
We had a nice morning here so we took a walk around a local lake plus coffee at the cafe. Before that, I started painting some walling for the small park next to Tregonning station.
This afternoon, I was able to glue the wall in place then cut some Metcalfe sticky back tarmac for a path then apply the static grass.
This is a photo at the messy stage whilst the grass sets and before I hoover up the excess.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-270318164819.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63462)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 27, 2018, 07:47:22 PM
A bit more progress this evening.
First and foremost Iíve tidied up!
The bushes and trees are only placed for now but Iím reasonably happy with them. The bushes will represent flowering types (eg rhodedendron) so Iíll add some flowers once they are firmly planted.
I think the pathway is fine.
Iíll paint the benches (either brown or white?) and the lamp posts.
I still have the rail side of the wall to finish of course and Iím thinkin* of ornamental gates for the park entrance.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-270318194648.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63467)
Iíll sleep on it before doing any ore this evening.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: AlexanderJesse on March 27, 2018, 09:17:37 PM
A bit more progress this evening.
First and foremost Iíve tidied up!
The bushes and trees are only placed for now but Iím reasonably happy with them. The bushes will represent flowering types (eg rhodedendron) so Iíll add some flowers once they are firmly planted.
I think the pathway is fine.
looks good
Iíll paint the benches (either brown or white?)
Why not start a art project ammongst the little people at Tregonning. All the associations should individually design / paint a bench (or a lamp post) to make the park a "community affair"?
Maybe even depict a few people adorning a benh or two?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 28, 2018, 05:46:06 PM
More progress with the small park today and Iím rather pleaed with the effect.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-280318174358.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63485)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-280318174442.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63486)
Iíve still got the railside edge of the wall to do and Iím thinking about a park gate/gates. Other than that, any more would, I think, overdo it.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on March 28, 2018, 06:14:30 PM
Looking good - and realistic.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on March 28, 2018, 06:53:29 PM
More progress with the small park today and Iím rather pleaed with the effect.

Iíve still got the railside edge of the wall to do and Iím thinking about a park gate/gates. Other than that, any more would, I think, overdo it.

Brilliant detailing, Martin.  Absolutely jolly-dee.

Two suggestions, poppy wreaths at the war memorial every Armistice Day.  And a dog.  Every park needs a dog.  Maybe called Piran.

John 
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on March 28, 2018, 07:21:05 PM
Fantastic Martin,

That little park looks fabulous  :D  :thumbsup:  :D

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: wookie on March 28, 2018, 07:22:56 PM
Very nice Martin.
You've given me some ideas for the area around my castle now.....
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 28, 2018, 07:27:51 PM
More progress with the small park today and Iím rather pleaed with the effect.

Iíve still got the railside edge of the wall to do and Iím thinking about a park gate/gates. Other than that, any more would, I think, overdo it.


Brilliant detailing, Martin.  Absolutely jolly-dee.

Two suggestions, poppy wreaths at the war memorial every Armistice Day.  And a dog.  Every park needs a dog.  Maybe called Piran.

John

They donít do things by halves at Tregonning. A man sized poppy!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-280318192439.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63487)
Agree about the dog. I just donít have any free at the moment. It will be attended to in due course.
I have, however started to add scenery on the rail side of the park wall.
And sorry, itís just a bit out of focus. There are several things waiting for the glue to dry so I couldnít rest my phone on anything to hold it steady.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 28, 2018, 08:10:53 PM
Coming along very well, Martin. The park is particularly fine. There were a lot of rhododendron bushes with purple flowers near Bodmin General station:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/theabbott/12567881703/in/photostream/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/theabbott/12567881703/in/photostream/)

And I've always wanted to have some, rather smaller, ones in the cutting outside Cant Cove station so I look forward to seeing a close-up photo. of yours.

I think white-painted benches would be right for a park in the 1960s.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 28, 2018, 09:42:51 PM
 :hellosign: Agree Martin, that park looks brilliant
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 29, 2018, 07:08:07 AM
Great modelling Martin. Excellent location for watching passing trains!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Biggy on March 29, 2018, 05:13:27 PM
 impressive as always Martin I love this layout it has the feel of a full size one. If you see what I mean
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 29, 2018, 07:33:22 PM
Iíve completed a little more work on Tregonning today (in between other things) but itís all in the construction stage between the station and park so no photographs yet.
In the meantime, the official photographer has captured the delightful  essence of rural tranquility as the afternoon parcels train arrives to disturb the peace.The Southern National bus has also just pulled in having transported a couple of passengers who will board the 3.55 branch train to Newquay in due course:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-290318192909.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63540)
I have to purchase some station furniture to adorn the platforms - seats, lamps etc plus a few carefully chosen little folk.
The one chap who has crept into the scene, Dick Tregelles, seems completely preoccupied with capturing the scene for posterity.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-290318193152.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63541)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on March 29, 2018, 07:48:56 PM
Lovely pictures.

It is difficult to believe how quickly you have created these super scenes.

Many thanks.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 29, 2018, 08:40:30 PM
Great stuff Martin, and at such a pace. You are clearly enjoying full retirement.

Youíll be needing another flight case soon  ;)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 29, 2018, 08:46:24 PM
Great stuff Martin, and at such a pace. You are clearly enjoying full retirement.

Youíll be needing another flight case soon  ;)
Thanks Keith.
There is a long way to go yet.
Iím moving on to the small goods yard next but am undecided whether to go for the Peco one, the Metcalfe one or to build my own.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 29, 2018, 08:52:03 PM
Iím currently building the ratio goods shed. It seems massive, especially compared to my shops and houses. Maybe a scratch build, especially with your skills.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 30, 2018, 09:32:50 AM
Excellent progress, Martin. I'm not sure about the SR concrete fencing painted (G)WR colours, by the pannier tank though but, in North Cornwall, it could be possible? It is definitely the sort of thing that Lord Trevelver might suggest to the stationmaster after a very good lunch! 8-)

The GWR was very fond of planting poplar trees near its stations so it was good to see some near the 'bus.

I'm not sure that Citroen 2CVs in that colour scheme appeared in the 1960s? However, I'm sure that others know more about these than I do.

The photographer, Dick Tregelles, is an excellent addition.

I'd add some filler at the end of the station platform then paint it so that the end blends into the ground.

The vegetation, including the lovely flower beds, is really excellent.

Don't forget to buy some red fire buckets to be wall-mounted, too.

I think the bargain-priced Peco Products NB-6 Goods Shed, wooden type, would look very good repainted in (G)WR colours. I would also cover the brick base with stonewalling of the type typical to North Cornwall. You can also have the doors open and add (if there is not one) a wooden platform inside with some goods and a railwayman?

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Masher69 on March 30, 2018, 10:18:51 AM
Coming along nicely.
The goods shed at Coldstream station which I am using as the basis for the station on my layout is of the brick type similar to the the Metcalfe kit but having built it it did seem a little on the large side. I was considering scratch building but saw an old Hornby Lyddle End shed on a layout at an exhibition and managed to pick one up on e-bay. It fits in well but the only downside is to get it perfectly positioned otherwise any vans entering catch on either the entrance or the inside platform. One other thing is that there were no doors on the loading side. I don't know if they had come off and were lost or if there were none in the first place.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: AlexanderJesse on March 30, 2018, 01:31:19 PM
According to https://ranwhenparked.net/2015/07/29/a-look-at-the-citroen-2cv-charleston/amp/ the Charleston is from the early 80s BUT
Quote
Outside, the the 2CV Charleston featured an eye-catching burgundy and black paint job with white highlights that harked back to the late 1920s and early 1930s. [\quote] ... as the early special colors very probably will not be available as a model, the Charleston as a representant of the 20s/30s is ok for earlier displays
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 01, 2018, 07:18:16 PM
Iíve decided to carry on with the creamery rather than the goods shed.
So.....thoughts please. This is very much early days and Iíve used modelling license but with reference to several West Country creameries.
Nothing is anywhere near completed and nothing is set in stone yet.
The large gantry is a milk filling station whilst the smaller one will be for cleaning out the milk tanks.
There will be a chimney at the far side.
The piece of wood indicates the position of the yard wall which will be taller and carry on right around the building.
Any thoughts - critical or otherwise will be appreciated.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-010418191809.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63715)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on April 01, 2018, 07:24:29 PM
That looks really promising.  And, the creamery building is certainly set in stone.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on April 01, 2018, 07:32:19 PM
Looks fantastic - an excellent idea for an industrial feature.  Not too big, but believable.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on April 01, 2018, 07:33:30 PM
That looks fine to me. Out of interest, what did you make the large white milk container(?) out of as it looks like it will hold a few gallons?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on April 01, 2018, 07:38:48 PM
Very nice job, Martin :thumbsup:
(I think I can just spy Cleopatra's head bobbing near the base of the ladder leading into the vat ;))
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 01, 2018, 07:39:31 PM
Thanks for the comments Laurence,John and Danny.
The big tank is, in true Blue Peter style, made out of the inside of a toilet roll.
Yes, Laurence - the main building is certaily set in stone.
Iím playing around with the position of the two gantries but this picture gives an indication as to how the creamery sits in relation to the whole layout

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-010418193917.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63716)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on April 02, 2018, 12:20:27 AM
Rodda's tastic mate (that'll get some of the fools and horses confused  :)).

I dunno, googled it but near you I think.

Anyway, layout looks great. I still can't get my head around fitting so much in. The only layout I nearly completed was HO and 35 years ago. I think my brain is still only semi adjusted so perhaps I'm in TT gauge Limbo  :worried:.

Great stuff Martin and looking forward to more.

Hope you had a great Easter.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 02, 2018, 08:55:14 AM
Rodda's tastic mate (that'll get some of the fools and horses confused  :)).

I dunno, googled it but near you I think

Indeed - at Scorrier about 3 miles away.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Masher69 on April 02, 2018, 12:08:11 PM
The creamery looks good.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 02, 2018, 12:17:05 PM
The creamery is looking very good, Martin. My only comment would be that the milk loading gantry looks a bit over-engineered when compared to those used at Torrington:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-pelican-railways/17897500753 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-pelican-railways/17897500753)

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on April 02, 2018, 02:26:18 PM
Top of me 'ed, which is probably a bad idea, but regarding Chris (IP)'s photo, several Dapol single catenary masts with other bits springs to mind.

They're pretty cheap as a give it a go.

Just an idea.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: 25901JFM on April 02, 2018, 04:58:55 PM
The creamery is looking very good, Martin. My only comment would be that the milk loading gantry looks a bit over-engineered when compared to those used at Torrington:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-pelican-railways/17897500753 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-pelican-railways/17897500753)

Followed that link and got distracted....  half an hour later I remembered that I was supposed to be browsing the forum!

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 02, 2018, 09:37:58 PM
Iíve decided to carry on with the creamery rather than the goods shed.
So.....thoughts please. This is very much early days and Iíve used modelling license but with reference to several West Country creameries.
Nothing is anywhere near completed and nothing is set in stone yet.
The large gantry is a milk filling station whilst the smaller one will be for cleaning out the milk tanks.
There will be a chimney at the far side.
The piece of wood indicates the position of the yard wall which will be taller and carry on right around the building.
Any thoughts - critical or otherwise will be appreciated.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-010418191809.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63715[/url])


 :hellosign: Creamery looking good Martin, an excellent feature  :thumbsup:
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 03, 2018, 08:16:36 PM
It turned out to be a nice day today so this morning we took a walk from Falmouth docks past Pendennis Point and Castle Beach onto Gylly Beach for a cup of coffee. On the way we saw this kestrel hovering over the seas edge only a few feet from us. Unfortunately, not the greatest photo with my phone
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-030418201323.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63785)
Later this afternoon I spent some time on the perimeter fence and entrance gates for the creamery. Itís not finished yet (more to do). The screwdriver is acting as a weight on the building and the two small bits of wood on the canopy roof are there for safe keeping in case I lose them.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-030418201620.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63786)

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: DaveGlew on April 03, 2018, 08:23:36 PM
Creamery is coming along nicely. What do you use for the stonework on your buildings - it looks good?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 03, 2018, 08:29:09 PM
Creamery is coming along nicely. What do you use for the stonework on your buildings - it looks good?
Itís just Slaterís Plastikard sheets (stone effect in this case to represent granite blocks) painted with acryllics.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: DaveGlew on April 03, 2018, 08:32:02 PM
Warning, blatant advertisement....... If you need an overnight stay for your visitors my pal has an excellent hotel in Falmouth...... www.thelerrynhotel.co.uk (http://www.thelerrynhotel.co.uk)   :)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 04, 2018, 06:51:28 PM
Iíve not managed much time on Tregonning today but I have laid the tarmac sandpaper in the yard at the creamery. It is currently weighted down with all sorts of heavy metalwork so no photos this evening.  If Iím happy that the glue has dried later, I may get round to painting the sandpaper but weíll see in a bit.
I did spend part of the day at our club HQ earlier where we have, tentatively, started work on our rendition of Bodmin Road (early 60s). Due to space limitations on our baseboard we have applied a certain degree of artistic license but hopefully, it should, eventually, resemble the original. Evenif only a little!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 06, 2018, 05:44:47 PM
Iíve been doing more work on the creamery on and off over the last few days.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-060418174154.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63914)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-060418174236.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63915)
The following two pictures show how it sits in the layout in its case:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-060418174353.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63916)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/230-060418174435.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63917)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on April 06, 2018, 05:53:23 PM
The creamery looks excellent and prototypical.  Well done!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Masher69 on April 06, 2018, 06:43:44 PM
Coming together nicely.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on April 06, 2018, 06:49:42 PM
Absolutely fabulous!

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: DaveGlew on April 06, 2018, 06:58:43 PM
Looking great........ and all in that case to boot
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 06, 2018, 06:59:48 PM
Coming on very well, Martin.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 06, 2018, 08:02:02 PM
Tregonning Creamery Ltd - note my not deliberate mistake.   Ooops!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on April 06, 2018, 08:47:09 PM
note my not deliberate mistake.

Gee .... that's some mistake!  :smiley-laughing:

Maybe calls for a bit of Cosmetic Tippex?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 06, 2018, 08:53:26 PM
note my not deliberate mistake.

Gee .... that's some mistake!  :smiley-laughing:

Maybe calls for a bit of Cosmetic Tippex?
Gee....more lke Cor I think  :D

Tippex.........thatís a blast from the past! Can you still get it?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on April 06, 2018, 09:07:03 PM

Tippex.........thatís a blast from the past! Can you still get it?

Stationary cupboard at work ......  :doh: :-[
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 11, 2018, 07:37:09 PM
Work has been progressing on Tregonning.
The main street is now under construction - mainly made up of Metcalfe kits (4) plus the Ratio goods shed.
The first kit, shop and cafe are nearly completed.
A small stable is being built behind it.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-110418193659.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64077)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 12, 2018, 01:00:49 PM
Moving on to the four cottages next. Not sure how much will be done this afternoon as itís allotment time next. Itís a busy time of the year down there. Potatoes, broad beans in the ground and first sowings of beetroot, lettuce, brussel sprouts and spring onions are all underway. Our onion seeds went into trays some 5 weeks ago and are looking good.
Nearly time for parsnip seeds direct into the ground.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on April 12, 2018, 03:06:53 PM
I've heard of 5 a day but you've mentioned 7 there, Martin ;)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 12, 2018, 08:03:17 PM
Ah....when the Government reccommend 7 a day instead of 5 weíll be one step ahead Mick!
Iíve made progress on the 4 cottages but they arenít finished yet.
Here they are in place next to the cafe/shop.
The road will pass in front of the buildings. It all looks rather ďgreyĒ at the moment but once they have little gardens and greenery itíll look ok.
I still have the pub to make.
The small blue box is sitting on the track to mark the position of the Ratio goods shed. Thatíll then be pretty much it for buildings:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-120418200310.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64100)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on April 12, 2018, 08:08:51 PM
Looking good PP. And I do like the Metcalfe models, most of the buildings on my layout will be Metcalfe, (I have probably made too many already  :) :no:), although I am now experimenting with altering them a bit, e.g. new roofs and joinng houses together.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 12, 2018, 08:11:11 PM
Looking good PP. And I do like the Metcalfe models, most of the buildings on my layout will be Metcalfe, (I have probably made too many already  :) :no:), although I am now experimenting with altering them a bit, e.g. new roofs and joinng houses together.
Thanks. Yes, mine will be detailed with drainpips and things and maybe climbing bushes over the front of one or two.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on April 12, 2018, 08:15:32 PM
climbing bushes over the front of one or two.

Those climbing bushes are excellent for hiding 'slipped pen syndrome'.  :-X :-[
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 12, 2018, 08:20:44 PM
The Ratio gutters and drainpipes are very good and really make a difference. They are 'fiddly' to glue though. Climbing greenery is an excellent idea. I have some on a back wall of Cant Cove's loco. shed (yet to be fitted as I need to dig out the inspection pit area).

Will you, later, replace all or some of the Metcalfe buildings with your own ones like the characterful Cornish street in Port Perran?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Biggy on April 12, 2018, 08:50:18 PM
Very nice again. I think the Metcalf kits are very good and I am looking forward to detailing mine
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 12, 2018, 08:53:40 PM
The Ratio gutters and drainpipes are very good and really make a difference. They are 'fiddly' to glue though. Climbing greenery is an excellent idea. I have some on a back wall of Cant Cove's loco. shed (yet to be fitted as I need to dig out the inspection pit area).

Will you, later, replace all or some of the Metcalfe buildings with your own ones like the characterful Cornish street in Port Perran?
Yes, Iíll be adding drainpipes etc.  I have no plans to replace the buildings on Tregonning. I always intended it to be a mix of my own (the creamery) and kits. I think, when itís progressed a bit more that the Metcalfe kits will blend in pretty well.  I should finish the cottages tomorrow(apart from detailing) and the  start on the pub and shop kit. Once they are done (and the goods shed) I can finish the road and start to add the little details which will bring it alive (hopefully).
There is a small surprise to come though in due course on the right hand side.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on April 12, 2018, 09:58:37 PM
It's amazing the difference that the row of buildings makes to the layout.  It appears to 'tie' everything together in one, believable, scene.

Many thanks for the photograph.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on April 13, 2018, 08:01:03 AM
Just caught up with progress after a few days away, looking excellent!

At this rate of progress youíll be needing another case soon  :)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 17, 2018, 05:31:07 PM
Iíve been away for a few days but back now and have made a bit more progress with Tregonning.
The pub is now added at the end of the row of cottages with a fishmongerís shop beyond that (with the creamery entrance between the two where the lorry is poking out) Iíve also started the Ratiogoods shed - just beyond the prarie tank (no roof yet).
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-170418172316.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64307)
None of the buildings is completed yet, I will weather and detail each in turn as I sit them in the scenery.
The grey card (to the left of the prarie tank) represents the position of a small scratch built cottage with a garden running up towards the goods shed. I still have the road and pavement to construct of course. The trees behind the cottages and pub are not yet in their final positions.
There will be another small cottage beyond the goods shed plus a very small sales shop for the creamery behind the fishmongerís shop. Apart from those buildings thatís ot other than a few lineside huts.
The road will swing left between the pub and shop and up over the main line at the far end of the creamery via an over bridge.
Plenty still to do. The garden areas at the front of the cottages could be challenging.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on April 17, 2018, 07:12:35 PM
It's looking splendid, Martin.

And such rapid progress...

Many thanks for the photograph.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on April 17, 2018, 07:34:57 PM
Really brilliant stuff Martin,

Have just been staring at it for 10 minutes trying to figure out how it all looks so right. As usual, great inspiration.

Cheers weave (extra pain au chocolat pour toi  ;))

 :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 18, 2018, 11:29:18 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks Martin, looking really good
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 19, 2018, 08:28:39 PM
Things went a little awry this evening whilst making up the Ratio goods shed for Tregonning.
I was sitting at my table when this happened!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-190418202720.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64356)
Luckily no lasting damage to the model or to me.
Not so sure about the chair though. :worried:

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on April 19, 2018, 08:47:48 PM
Is there any connection between this and pain au chocolate? :worried:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 19, 2018, 08:51:53 PM
Is there any connection between this and pain au chocolate? :worried:
Maybe.......perhaps that chair is made for heavier people. It was fine when I was a stone heavier!!!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 19, 2018, 08:59:11 PM
Glad you're OK, Martin. I have a pair of kitchen chairs with loose legs. I sit on the better of the two when painting models at the kitchen table. Sooner or later, that will happen to me, too.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on April 19, 2018, 09:02:32 PM
Things went a little awry this evening whilst making up the Ratio goods shed for Tregonning.
I was sitting at my table when this happened!
Luckily no lasting damage to the model or to me.
Not so sure about the chair though. :worried:
So you had to leg it!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on April 19, 2018, 09:18:56 PM
No, PP decided to turn the Goods Shed into a Milking Parlour, so ...... he needed a three legged stool. The back comes off tomorrow.  ;D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Caz on April 19, 2018, 09:22:13 PM
 :laughabovepost:    :laughabovepost:    :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 20, 2018, 08:16:53 PM
The weather has been superb for two days so little done on Tregonning.
However, the Ratio goods shed is nearing completion and is seen here in place in the distance

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-200418201336.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64384)
The building near the ďfallenĒ tree with no roof yet is a small stables building. The vivid green mound is awaiting static grass.
I have two buildings to scratch build but I will wait until after tomorrow when Iíll be visiting Helston Model Rail Show. It is just possible that I may see something suitable for sale there.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: trkilliman on April 20, 2018, 09:40:30 PM
I see your a bit legless then Mr P.P.   A local brewery trip maybe, sampling the 3P's ?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 24, 2018, 05:23:26 PM
Itís been wet and misty all day here so Iíve cracked on a bit with Tregonning. Mainly concentrationg on the main street and the very small stable and field.
Ridge tiles and chimney pots still to do.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-240418171901.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64503)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-240418172015.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64504)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-240418172110.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64505)
As ever, the camera shows up some imperfections and some mistakes (which will be rectified). I will also be adding white lining on the road plus, of course, little people will bring it alive.
I shall be working my way along the road on both sides.
Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks for looking.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on April 24, 2018, 08:42:04 PM
For a layout in a case, it's brilliant! :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 24, 2018, 08:44:43 PM
Thanks for the latest updates, Martin. It's really coming along extremely well. Alas, the Walls sign on the Cafe is the modern logo not the yellow and blue one I remember from the 1960s. I'm sure you can cover it up with the correct one:

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-corgi-toys-walls-ice-cream-van-from-the-1960s-9734849.html (https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-corgi-toys-walls-ice-cream-van-from-the-1960s-9734849.html)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on April 24, 2018, 09:05:44 PM
Great modeling :thumbsup:
I'm not a great fan of Metcalf buildings but those look "just right".
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on April 24, 2018, 09:11:44 PM
It's looking terrific!  A very similar cream Jaguar appears in some photographs of my layout in pre-War days.  It'll be getting collectable by Tregonning's time!  An interesting lorry as well; one of Mr Foden's finest.  And I saw two horses in the pictures, so that's a bonus for me.

Great stuff.

Many thanks.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 24, 2018, 09:55:56 PM
 :hellosign: Many thanks Martin for the latest   :greatpicturessign: It just looks so right, excellent modelling sir  :thumbsup:
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: 25901JFM on April 25, 2018, 09:41:45 AM
 :greatpicturessign:   I really like your eye for detail.  Something that I really struggle with...   


John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Milton Rail on April 25, 2018, 11:25:43 AM
Lovely photo's Martin, the layout has come along leaps and bounds, you have managed to pack a lot in, without making it feel crowded... you have also reminded me that I have made zero progress on my box layout project other than unpacking it!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: DaveGlew on April 25, 2018, 06:32:45 PM
Beautiful
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 25, 2018, 08:22:02 PM
So........moving on a bit this afternoon.
Iíve done the garden of the second house along the road
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-250418201339.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64647)
It is a model railway so this evening, I thought Iíd include the branch line train.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-250418201508.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64648)
A closer vew of the two houses - still have some detailing plus chimney pots to do. Mr & Mrs Thomas have now moved into No 2. Mr Thomas is out inspecting his new garden whilst a couple are entering the park for a stroll (I need to do something about that gap between pavement and park plus I need to add park gates).
Itís good to see that the car has slowed down for the horse.

Finally an overview of the case
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-250418201941.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64649)
The small bungalow, this side of the goods shed will have a largish veg garden. Itís all dug over but nothing is planted yet.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: trkilliman on April 25, 2018, 08:31:53 PM
That is some lovely work Martin.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 25, 2018, 08:36:42 PM
That is some lovely work Martin.
Thank you Mr Trikillman.
The Hayle show at the end of August is my target date which reminds me, I havenít run a train for about 2 months. I should check it still works ok!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 25, 2018, 08:53:24 PM
Really excellent work, Martin. Yes, please, let's see some trains running. 8-)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on April 25, 2018, 09:17:01 PM
That is some lovely work Martin.
Thank you Mr Trikillman.
The Hayle show at the end of August is my target date which reminds me, I havenít run a train for about 2 months. I should check it still works ok!

I think it will work totally tickety-boo.  A bit of track cleaning and then a nice train hauled by one of your Union Mills locomotives.  You can observe it whilst enjoying a coup de rouge.

It’s good to see that the car has slowed down for the horse.

Excellent!  It's splendid to see that Cornish motorists observe Sir Malcolm Campbell's 'Three Cs' of motoring.  Jolly nice horse as well!

Thank you very much for these spiffing photographs.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on April 25, 2018, 10:07:09 PM
Some good detailing there Martin - and I do like the Metcalfe buildings, they look just right in their settings.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 25, 2018, 10:26:17 PM
Really excellent work, Martin. Yes, please, let's see some trains running. 8-)
:hellosign: totally agreed
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: BoxTunnel on April 25, 2018, 11:14:29 PM
I love this layout Martin, Tregonning looks like a real thriving community.

Graham.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on April 26, 2018, 07:01:28 AM
Great work!  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 26, 2018, 08:29:46 AM
Some good detailing there Martin - and I do like the Metcalfe buildings, they look just right in their settings.  :thumbsup:
Thank you. I think the Metcalfe buildings need ďbedding into the sceneryĒ a bit to stop them looking a bit stark. Iíve also added a very slight watercolour wash in places to to e down the rathernew feel.
Iíll be adding downpipes and, of course, chimney pots.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Masher69 on April 26, 2018, 08:51:51 AM
As Graham (BoxTunnel) says it looks a nice thriving community. As regards my own Coldhill layout the station has been based on Coldstream Station which was just outside Cornhill and the only immediate residential buildings were the station cottages but at least that will be something. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 27, 2018, 05:08:23 PM
Weíve been out all day.
Half an hour to spare before our evening meal so........  just enough time to paint a few fish  ;)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 27, 2018, 07:29:54 PM
A few more pictures of Tregonning. We were out most of today (as I said earlier) but I managed a bit of work late this afternoon.
First some additional work on the next two houses in the road. Note that I need to sweep up. Iíve added a pond, stepping stones and a rockery to number 4:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-270418191810.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64705)

Mr and Mrs Trigg are off shopping but Mr Trigg has been distracted looking at the fish in his pond:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-270418191950.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64706)

Now a look along the case as a railcar leaves the station. This gives a bit of an idea as to how things sit together:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-270418192126.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64707)

And a view in the opposite direction. Note the pub, The Railway Inn, which isnít finished yet. Iíve also added white lines to the road:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-270418192325.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64708)

A close up of the station area. I need to add all the detail later so the platform appears rather bare at the moment :
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-270418192455.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64709)

And finally this is the far end on which little work has been done. The building behind the goods shed is a scratch built shop. We then have the Metcalfe fishmongerís shop then a Farish Farm Shop which I bought today. It will be converted into a small outlet for cream from the local creamery. The road will continue past the small shop then rise over the railway at the rear by means of a scratch built over bridge:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-270418192858.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64710)

Thank you for taking a gander. Feel free to be critical or add any suggestions for improvements or changes.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Caz on April 27, 2018, 07:31:43 PM
Great stuff as usual Martin, don't fancy a holiday in Spain do you  :D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: DaveGlew on April 27, 2018, 07:42:43 PM
Luvverly work
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 27, 2018, 07:42:57 PM
Great stuff as usual Martin, don't fancy a holiday in Spain do you  :D
You never know, we might find our way over your way one day.
Glad you like the layout. Iím enjoying building it.
I have an idea for a very small micro layout once this one is completed.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 27, 2018, 07:55:26 PM
As ever, the close up photos reveal little problemswhich are harder to detect with the naked eye.
I can see a few things which need sorting!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Milton Rail on April 27, 2018, 07:57:15 PM
Superb photos Martin, love the pond & goldfish ... was convinced I could see some tadpoles in there too :D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on April 27, 2018, 08:11:15 PM
Thank you for these super pictures, Martin.

I had been mulling over your earlier remark about painting 'a few fish'.

All makes perfect sense now.  Will you be painting a heron next?

That would give Mr Trigg something to worry about...

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 27, 2018, 08:13:15 PM
Thank you for these super pictures, Martin.

I had been mulling over your earlier remark about painting 'a few fish'.

All makes perfect sense now.  Will you be painting a heron next?

That would give Mr Trigg something to worry about...

John
Oh dear....I feel a net over the pond may be needed!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on April 27, 2018, 08:53:56 PM
Amazing work when you consider the space available :goggleeyes:

was convinced I could see some tadpoles in there too :D

I believe Laurence (Innovationgame) sent some from his pond ;)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on April 27, 2018, 09:13:06 PM
A really super layout with so much detail. I must ask, do you paint the fish before you cook them or after? :confused2:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 27, 2018, 09:37:28 PM
Truly excellent work, Martin. I see one house's hedge is not as well-trimmed as the neighbours'. The fish pond is a superb feature. I think I'll have to copy it when I get around to the railwaymen's terrace across the lane from the loco. shed.

The Insulated Van in BR Ice Blue livery (used from 1963 after the Trawlermen's Association complained that BR's previous White livery soon became dirty and this was a poor image for their fresh fish inside BR's vans) looks very good and is identical to the one I have, 373-727 10-TON INSULATED BOX VAN BR ICE BLUE, so it will, indeed, be running 'through' from Penmayne and, thus, through Cant Cove, carrying a variety of fresh, perishable produce, including fish, shellfish, and the justly famed edible seaweed, Samphire Grass, from Port Perran, for the gourmet meals served at the renowned restaurant at "the Station Hotel", Cant Cove, the previous pre-BR vans having been retired, in 1963.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on April 27, 2018, 09:48:59 PM
Hi Martin,

Lovely modelling as usual.

Glad you're thinking about making netting for your pond. Hopefully that will keep you busy for months to get it right so you stop embarrassing us all with your amazing speed!  :D

Keep up the great work.

Cheers Chris (weave)  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 27, 2018, 09:57:50 PM
A really super layout with so much detail. I must ask, do you paint the fish before you cook them or after? :confused2:
After obviously.
Goldfish simply have to be repainted after cooking as they lose their colour during the process, unlike prawns that gain colour during cooking.
Now......why is that?
Iíll probably regret asking that as someone will come up with an answer that I wonít understand  :D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on April 27, 2018, 10:22:27 PM
http://exploratorium.edu/cooking/icooks/07-07-03.html (http://exploratorium.edu/cooking/icooks/07-07-03.html)
There you are!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 28, 2018, 08:14:19 AM
[url]http://exploratorium.edu/cooking/icooks/07-07-03.html[/url] ([url]http://exploratorium.edu/cooking/icooks/07-07-03.html[/url])
There you are!

Thank you for that Brian.
They are certainly very yummy - one of my favourites  :)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Masher69 on April 28, 2018, 11:42:39 AM
Very nice work.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 28, 2018, 07:12:37 PM
We took a walk this morning through the Luxulyan valley in beautiful weather.
The real Tregonning hamlet is nearby and my model assumes a branch off the Par to Newquay branch to Summercourt with my Tregonning being an intermediate station.
We came across the remains of a china clay dry at Pontsmill which was not rail served. However, this gives me the opportunity to run china clay trains on Tregonning so this is now the destination of my branch line off the layout.
Hereís a picture of the old clay dries
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-280418190949.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64736)
In addition, we climbed up onto Treffrey Viaduct high above the Newquay branch. Looking down we see at least three different types of ballast in use plus the old track in the middle. Quite a good modelling inspiration I think

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-280418191227.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64737)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on April 28, 2018, 07:33:13 PM
Thank you very much for these fascinating pictures, Martin.  We certainly did not have that weather this morning!

The old rails are neatly arranged in the 'four foot'.  There was recent unpleasantness just south of Inverness (Cradlehall to those who know the area so, strictly speaking, east) when an Up HST hit an old rail that was in the 'four foot'.  The RAIB is investigating so best not say any more.

Looking forward to seeing china clay trains on Tregonning.  The essence of Cornwall's railways.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 28, 2018, 07:47:00 PM
Thank you for this pair of very attractive photos., Martin. China clay wagons always look good and, as you know, were worked down to St Blazey and then to Par (if I remember correctly) for export) or in trains to Stoke-on-Trent for pottery manufacture plus some bagged fine china clay in ferry vans was exported to, again, if I remember correctly, Italy.

There being no china clay deposits near Penmayne, I justify empty china clay wagons with what became a Class 08, from Wadebridge, going to Penmayne for attention by the C&W department and the diesel servicing shed which has fuelling and train cleaning facilities, too. As china clay, long before BR, ceased to be exported from Padstow (I've read because it was a non-union port), I can't justify any china clay going to Penmayne Harbour. I look forward to seeing your china clay wagons running though at Tregonning.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 28, 2018, 11:01:48 PM
 :hellosign: Many thanks Martin for the latest photos, Tregonning is looking really superb.
     Lucky you out walking with today`s excellent weather, nice photos from Luxulyan too. It was Trevithick Day in Camborne  :veryangry:
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: 25901JFM on April 29, 2018, 09:23:01 AM
Regarding those rails in the four foot, it may be new rail.  It is common practice to unload new lengths of long welded rail in the four foot in preparation for re-railing works.  The old rails are then normally cut up in to shorter lengths for removal from site, usually for scrap or if it is still serviceable kept as a strategic reserve for use to cater for future defect removals, where a section of defective rail needs to be cut out and a replacement piece welded in.
Hope this is of interest.
John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 29, 2018, 03:56:40 PM
Thanks John.
I hadnít considered it might be new rail.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 29, 2018, 04:03:16 PM
Iíd like to gauge opinion.
I had always thought that at the far end of Tregonning the road would go over the railway by means of an over bridge. However, having been playing around with cardboard mock ups, two things occur to me. Namely, it will look too  bulky and crowded for the position and the slope for road traffic will be unrealistically steep.
So......Iím considering a level crossing but it has to be on a bend. Iíve shown a very messy initial mock up in the photo.
It may be  that in real life, crossings werenít on bends but as this is a small layout in a case and as such compromises must be mase. I think I can get away with it.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-290418160119.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64750)
What do people think?
To the eye, I think it will look just fine.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 29, 2018, 04:18:42 PM
Looks absolutely fine to me, Martin. Glad to see the curved stone wall sections coming in useful. (Which reminds me, I need to buy a few, too.)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on April 29, 2018, 04:35:33 PM
Hi Martin,

I agree with Chris. Looks good.

I know it's from the Dark Side but saw this. Forgetting the great gates, it looks OK to me on the curve.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uVltKXq_no (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uVltKXq_no)

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on April 29, 2018, 06:03:57 PM
I think it will be OK, once you turn it on its side!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on April 29, 2018, 07:23:59 PM
Nowt wrong with a level crossing on a curve!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on April 29, 2018, 07:49:55 PM
I think a level crossing is a good idea, Martin.  An overbridge would require a fearsome approach gradient.  Here is a picture showing a level crossing on a curve but please don't try the stunt!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/6991857/Man-caught-on-camera-leaping-in-front-of-speeding-train.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/6991857/Man-caught-on-camera-leaping-in-front-of-speeding-train.html)

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 29, 2018, 08:06:13 PM
Thank you everyone for your comments. A level crossing on a curve it will be.
The old cricket pavillion (near the blue bus) will become the local scout/cub hq.
No work on the railway today as weíve been busy on the allotment and getting out VW camper (Bertie) ready for Summer with a spruce up - having passed its MOT last week.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-290418195756.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64768)

Anyway, a few pictures of Tregonning. First a pannier coming off the branch from Pontsmill with a short china clay train. The van contains high quality, bagged china clay:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-290418200023.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64769)
And two views of activity at the creamery. A prarie tank shunts wagons (note the brake van left on the branch line). The single milk tanker is being steam cleaned internally at the cleaning gantry. The two wagons are being loaded with fresh milk.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-290418200344.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64770)
And a view towards the creamery across the road. Note the proximity of the cottages to the factory. The prarie tank is now on the branch line:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-290418200532.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64771)
Still a bit of detailing to be done in this area but I am getting there.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on April 29, 2018, 08:28:11 PM
More great photos. That camper looks in great condition.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 29, 2018, 08:31:42 PM
More great photos. That camper looks in great condition.
Thank you.
Not bad for a 45 year old!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 29, 2018, 11:40:15 PM
More great photos. That camper looks in great condition.
:hellosign: agreed
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on April 30, 2018, 07:24:56 AM
More great photos. That camper looks in great condition.
:hellosign: agreed
     regards Derek.

Yes, looking great, and do I see this years NT pass in the window?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 30, 2018, 07:58:18 AM
More great photos. That camper looks in great condition.
:hellosign: agreed
     regards Derek.

Yes, looking great, and do I see this years NT pass in the window?
Indeed you do.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 30, 2018, 08:18:43 AM
Thank you, Martin, for the latest excellent set of photos., including Bertie. Do you have an N Scale model in the same colour scheme?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on April 30, 2018, 09:04:41 AM
More great photos. That camper looks in great condition.
Thank you.
Not bad for a 45 year old!

Yes, Bertie certainly looks well-loved.  Have you had him long?  He has a very 'seventies colour scheme as well.  I remember a lot of orange then.  And brown!

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 30, 2018, 05:58:50 PM

[/quote]

Yes, Bertie certainly looks well-loved.  Have you had him long?  He has a very 'seventies colour scheme as well.  I remember a lot of orange then.  And brown!

John

[/quote]
Thanks John. Weíve had him for 13 years. Luckily, prior to us he had only 2 previous owners who looked after him well.

Thank you, Martin, for the latest excellent set of photos., including Bertie. Do you have an N Scale model in the same colour scheme?
Thanks Chris. No, I have an N Scale camper but in blue and white.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 30, 2018, 06:12:24 PM
Thank you, Martin. I thought Oxford Models had made a VW Camper in orange and white but, it seems, only in 1:76 Scale. I need to check my 1:148 pair of VW camper vans.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: tripper on April 30, 2018, 06:31:51 PM
Hi, going slightly off topic, is that a westfalia conversion on your Bay.
Regards,
Ken.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 30, 2018, 07:09:32 PM
Hi, going slightly off topic, is that a westfalia conversion on your Bay.
Regards,
Ken.
Hi Ken
Yes, it is indeed a Westy.
We decided to keep the van in as near ďoriginalĒ condition as possible as originals are becoming rarer. No internal modifications and no lowering etc.
It is a 1700cc version though.
Martin

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: tripper on April 30, 2018, 08:12:26 PM
Hi Martin, thanks for that, it looks really nice.  Were you by any chance in the outer Hebrides last July.
Regards Ken.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on April 30, 2018, 08:16:21 PM
Hi Martin, thanks for that, it looks really nice.  Were you by any chance in the outer Hebrides last July.
Regards Ken.
No. Would have been nice but we were here in Cornwall in July.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: tripper on April 30, 2018, 08:31:32 PM
Thought it was a bit of a long shot, back on topic, I am really liking this layout, it's given me some motivation to crack on with a small layout for my grandson.
Regards, Ken.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: 25901JFM on May 01, 2018, 04:17:38 PM
A bit late, but I think the mock up of the level crossing looks fine and I'm sure you will do it justice if you go with it.  Poole High Street is on a sharp curve, although this is in a predominantly pedestrianised area.  A right mare of a cctv crossing to operate as red flashing lights and yodels sounding appear to mean "go, go, go" to the natives!  Saturdays are bad and Saturdays leading up to Christmas, well that is just mad...
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 01, 2018, 06:14:41 PM
Itís been horrible here this afternoon - wet and windy so Iíve managed some 4 hours on Tregonning.
Starting off with the job I Ďve been putting off. Namely adding ridge tiles and 28 chimney pots to the Metcalfe buildings.
Iíve also been putting in the road for the level crossing (more to do) and Iíve been fiddling with an old brass cricket pavillion which Iím going to use as a scout hut requiring much renovation.
So....this is how the layout looks now
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-010518180928.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64823)
And hereís the right side of the layout where there is still much to do
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-010518181057.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64824)
The level crossing will be top left where you can see the gates propped up. The derelict scout hut is just to the left of the gates.
The area top left where the tree is will be a field.
And as you can see Iíve done no detailing yet around the goods shed.
Oh and Iíve added a small gatekeeperís hut (in front of the bus) at the entrance to the creamery.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 01, 2018, 07:23:20 PM
 :hellosign:. Many thanks Martin for the excellent photos, so much to admire, superb modelling   :thumbsup:
     regards Derek
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on May 01, 2018, 10:35:44 PM
It just gets better.  :thumbsup:  Are you going to put a backdrop on the rear wall of the case? How about when it's finished putting a full sized photo of the layout on the inside of the case top? I think it would set the whole layout off very well.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 02, 2018, 08:11:38 PM
It just gets better.  :thumbsup:  Are you going to put a backdrop on the rear wall of the case? How about when it's finished putting a full sized photo of the layout on the inside of the case top? I think it would set the whole layout off very well.
Thanks Brian. Iíve been thinking about that lid and your idea is a possibility.
I was also thinking of a map of Cornwall railways including the fictional ones on this forum plus a brief history of Tregonning. Iíll give it careful thought.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 02, 2018, 08:16:23 PM
Iíve been playing around with Jack Tonkinís allotment garden at the rear of his rather tumbledown cottage next to the railway line.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-020518201332.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64892)
Itís not finished. Especially the bean poles which were incredibly fiddly to make out of bristles from an old broom.
Iím undecided about it - perhaps a bit more tweeking ?
Jack is deciding what to tackle next ?
I suggest sweeping up the road !

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on May 02, 2018, 08:17:46 PM
I think a map of Cornwalls railways, incorporating Tregonning, would finish the case off brilliantly.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 02, 2018, 08:33:10 PM
I think a map of Cornwalls railways, incorporating Tregonning, would finish the case off brilliantly.  :thumbsup:

Agreed. However, the inner part of the lid nearest to the hinges I'd paint sky blue. I will do that with the lid for Cant Cove as this will greatly improve the shots showing the background.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on May 02, 2018, 08:35:53 PM
Iíve been playing around with Jack Tonkinís allotment garden at the rear of his rather tumbledown cottage next to the railway line.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-020518201332.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64892[/url])
Itís not finished. Especially the bean poles which were incredibly fiddly to make out of bristles from an old broom.
Iím undecided about it - perhaps a bit more tweeking ?
Jack is deciding what to tackle next ?
I suggest sweeping up the road !


It's looking tickety-boo, Martin.  The red van (?) poking its nose out from the old stables' entrance to 'The Railway Inn' is a super touch.

John

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on May 02, 2018, 09:31:52 PM
The allotment looks great. In fact everything looks great.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 03, 2018, 12:10:23 AM
 :hellosign:    :greatpicturessign: & superb modelling Martin & another vote for the Cornwall railway map.
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 03, 2018, 07:20:15 AM
Nothing to say other than ďExcellent!Ē  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 03, 2018, 07:23:26 AM
I think a map of Cornwalls railways, incorporating Tregonning, would finish the case off brilliantly.  :thumbsup:

Agreed. However, the inner part of the lid nearest to the hinges I'd paint sky blue. I will do that with the lid for Cant Cove as this will greatly improve the shots showing the background.
Yes, I plan to do that once the short backscene is done.
And, a map (plus history) it will be I think.

Thanks for all the comments chaps.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 03, 2018, 07:58:42 PM
Well, this evening, the level crossing is installed on the main road out of Tregonning. Looks ok I think but no photos until a bit more scenery is added around it.
Having put in one level crossing, Iím going to add a second on a minor road by the goods yard in a small area which Iíve been umming and aahing about for a couple of weeks.
I also now need to think about the front yard of the goods shed which is a slightly awkward shape.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: DaveGlew on May 04, 2018, 05:08:37 AM
I love level crossings..........everything is all coming together nicely
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 04, 2018, 07:12:53 PM
Iíve done a fair bit to Tregonning over the last couple of days but a lot was preparatory work.
However, I have moved on to the far side where, after much deliberation, Iíve added two level crossings.
This first photo shows the crossing on the main road. I still have some work to do on it but you get the idea.
The little hut behind the green flat bed lorry is for the gate keeper for the creamery. iíve also finalised the location for the farm shop/hut which will actually become an outlet for the creamery.
I think white lines on the road will enhance the scene a bit.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-040518190632.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64957)
This photo shows an overall view of the far side. You can see the second level crossing top right. This isnít finished yet so please bear with me.
I decided to add a small signal box to control the goods yard and two crossings. The signalman has an excellent view in both directions from this location. I need to move it back a bit though as the first passing train gave it a hefty clout!
The small building (with a blue painted front) is a small general store. I think the two apple trees to the rear look ok.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-040518191209.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64958)
As ever any suggstions or comments will be welcome.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on May 04, 2018, 10:52:51 PM
Fabulous; absolutely fabulous.  Clearly the level crossing(s) was the right choice.  It all looks perfick.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 05, 2018, 05:43:58 PM
It's all coming together really well, Martin. What will you be doing when its finished (not far off, now, I think)? Will you commence work on Bodmin Road? 8-)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 05, 2018, 06:56:50 PM
It's all coming together really well, Martin. What will you be doing when its finished (not far off, now, I think)? Will you commence work on Bodmin Road? 8-)
Bodmin Road is already underway at our Club HQ but that involves 4 or 5 of us so it may be a long term project.
I have, however, aquired a scrap baseboard which is approx 3ft by 2ft. Iíd build it at the model club rather than home but Iím in two minds.
Either a loco shed scene based at Truro but not a copy of the actual Truro shed.
Or a goods yard based on somewhere like Drump Road (Redruth) or perhaps Wadebridge.
Either would be end to end and perhaps more a diorama (working) rather than a roundy roundy.
Iím giving it some thought.
However, although Tregonning looks nearly complete, Iíll be taking time  over the detail (inc little people) and creating little cameo scenes.
I also have the ďbackboardĒ to make.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Caz on May 05, 2018, 07:41:47 PM
Looks like it's been there years, blends in beautifully.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Milton Rail on May 06, 2018, 01:39:07 PM
Great progress Martin & lovely modelling, the level crossing looks great.

Looking forward to seeing what you do with the backscene

Pleased to hear that Bertie passed his MOT.... my old Jag comes out this month (providing the snow stays away) so will have the new MOT to look forward to ....
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 07, 2018, 06:11:48 PM
As promised, a few photos of the May Day special trains run from Tregonning today.
Inspired by events ďUp NorthĒ the locomotives used were a Collett 0-6-0 and an ex GW railcar. The railcars are affectionately known as Flying Bananas but, with reference to the green livery of this loco, the locals refer to it, somewhat tongue in cheek, as a Flying Courgette.
Here the two trains are seen at Tregonning station.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-070518180954.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65041)
And here is a close up of the Collett
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-070518181044.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65042)
The eagle eyed may have spotted that Iím in the process of adding backscenes on Tregonning.
It was a superb day here and this morning we walked the mile or so through the fields and woods to Gwennap Street Fayre.
On the way I took several photos which I intend to incorporate into the layout as backscenes.
Iím particularly pleased with this one:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-070518181131.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65043)
As background to this scene. When the line to Summercourt was first proposed it had to travel through the grounds of Lord Trevarnon of Tregonning House. Lord Trevarnon was a railway enthusiasts who wholeheartedly approved the railway. However, he insisted that the GWR  build a rather grand station at Tregonning which has resulted in the existing station which, on the face of it, is much too large for such a tiny village.
Which reminds me, I need to publish the backstory leading to the creation of Tregonning and the Summercourt branch.
The Flying Courgette is seen passing Tregonning House.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Milton Rail on May 07, 2018, 07:16:58 PM
Flying Courgette ...... love it!

Lovely pictures and the backscenes are great!

Better get one of the porters down to that barrel store before the local EPA rep makes a call!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 07, 2018, 07:20:26 PM
Many thanks for these latest photos. and update, Martin. Both the Collett 0-6-0 and the ex-GWR diesel railcar look very good. The photo. background with Tregonning House is superb and fits in beautifully. Ideally, I'd have a photo. of a long strip of hilly countryside along the back of Cant Cove; the distant hills across the River Camel from the Padstow side would look very good.

I must get my BR Green ex-GWR diesel railcar out for a photo., too.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on May 07, 2018, 10:08:14 PM
These are superb photographs, Martin.  The backscenes are terrific - particularly the one with Tregonning House and the overhanging branches.  The Cornish place names (and family names) certainly help set the scene.

The Peco 'Collett Goods' is a jolly nice model.  For us, the irony is that it has that far-from-usual tender to accommodate the DCC gadget which we don't use.  But I'm sure our drivers appreciate the additional water capacity!

Many thanks for the photographs and the update on progress.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on May 08, 2018, 06:26:40 AM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-070518181131.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65043[/url])
Are those the famous Milton Keynes Concrete cows?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: GreyWolf on May 08, 2018, 06:33:09 AM
Are those the famous Milton Keynes Concrete cows?

Na ... MK ones are blue and pink!  :P

 :sorrysign: Oops! Seems I was thinking of 'gromits'! <https://www.gromitunleashed.org.uk/gromits>

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 08, 2018, 09:27:29 AM
The scrap baseboard (approx 3ft by 2ft) project which you plan to build at the model club rather than at home, sounds very interesting, Martin.

A loco shed scene based on Truro but not a copy of the actual Truro shed is a good idea, ideal for photographing all your locos. I've quite a few photos. of the shed area. The shed lasted into diesel days and had, if I remember correctly, the first allocation of what became Class 08 diesel shunters which replaced the 94xx 0-6-0PTs.

A goods yard based on somewhere like Drump Road (Redruth) or perhaps Wadebridge would also be good. There are other suitable prototypes in Cornwall, have a look at John Vaughan's "Branchlines & Byways" for inspiration.

An end-to-end, working diorama, like Cant Cove was always planned to be rather than a roundy-roundy, is an excellent idea as it'll make an interesting change.

However, I agree that it's well worth taking the time to detail Tregonning, including the 'Little People' and creating little cameo scenes will further add to the layout's charm.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 08, 2018, 04:48:19 PM
I laid (is that the correct word?) the last areas of static grass on Tregonning first thing this morning.
And, Iíve just completed one of my leat favourite tasks. Namely, vacuuming up (I dislike the term hoovering) the excess. Iím always afraid of either damaging something or sucking something important up the pipe!
Itís actually more difficult on a small layout where things are a bit more confined I think.
Anyway, all is well apart from one tiny section of fence which luckily I managed to retrieve from the bag of the cleaner.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: GreyWolf on May 08, 2018, 04:57:51 PM
I laid (is that the correct word?) the last areas of static grass on Tregonning first thing this morning.

Surely it 'planting'? So SWMBO tells me  :D

... all is well apart from one tiny section of fence which luckily I managed to retrieve from the bag of the cleaner.

Good catch sir! Any pics to share? [of the layout ... not of the vacum clearer.  ::)]

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 08, 2018, 08:01:09 PM
I laid (is that the correct word?) the last areas of static grass on Tregonning first thing this morning.


Surely it 'planting'? So SWMBO tells me  :D

... all is well apart from one tiny section of fence which luckily I managed to retrieve from the bag of the cleaner.


Good catch sir! Any pics to share? [of the layout ... not of the vacum clearer.  ::)]

Cheers  :beers:

Thanks, planting it is then.

Just one picture, this is the corner that Iím currently working on fiddling about with. It does need a bit more doing but Iím at the ďmust let the glue dryĒ stage:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-080518200050.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65096)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on May 08, 2018, 08:13:21 PM
I think laid has more to do with chickens and eggs.  :wave:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on May 08, 2018, 08:37:51 PM
Blimey, Martin, that corner looks fantastic.  The motor vehicles are jolly useful for setting the period.

I agree regarding activities with a vacuum cleaner (I do a lot of this; those of use who share a house with a cat, or cats, will know what I mean).  The verb 'hoover' is an example of the dangers of 'generocide', which is a very ugly word indeed.

John 
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 08, 2018, 08:54:37 PM
Thanks for the photo., Martin. The corner looks excellent. The apple trees are very good, too. The static grass and scatter combinations look highly realistic and make me look forward to trying out static grass, too, next month.

I want to replace the 'PADSTOW' destination on one of my 'Southern National'  buses with 'PENMAYNE' and with 'WADEBRIDGE' on the other. One of my similar BR buses will have 'CANT COVE' and the others 'PENMAYNE' and with 'WADEBRIDGE'  with RAIL REPLACEMENT SERVICE underneath both, if I can get type that small printed!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on May 08, 2018, 09:22:03 PM
I think laid has more to do with chickens and eggs.  :wave:

Go on then, I'll say it - I thought laid meant something different.  :doh:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 09, 2018, 07:58:07 PM
Bit more work done today.
The Dairy Shop is now finalised as is the old run down scout hut to the left of the level crossing. And I notice that I need to fix that wonky crossing gate.
Looks like itís rubbish collection day in Tregonning and the pannier is heading the afternoon pickup goods.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-090518195109.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65139)
And this is an overview of the town end looking along the main street.
I see that no one had tidied those oil drums yet!
This time itís the prarie tank shunting the small goods yard.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-090518195153.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65140)

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 09, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
Very nice work indeed, Martin. Some general tidying up still required; there is a piece of pavement in the road and some loose grass flock. Otherwise excellent.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 09, 2018, 08:13:13 PM
Very nice work indeed, Martin. Some general tidying up still required; there is a piece of pavement in the road and some loose grass flock. Otherwise excellent.
Thanks Chris.
Yes, lots still to do.
That piece of paving card marks the possible location of a pedestrian island in the road. Itís opposite the entrance to the park.
The card is just a marker sitting there whilst I decide about it.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on May 09, 2018, 08:17:53 PM
That piece of paving card marks the possible location of a pedestrian island in the road. Itís opposite the entrance to the park.
They call them islands now, but in the 1950s/60s they were called pedestrian refuges/bollards
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 09, 2018, 08:52:29 PM
Thanks, Martin. I had thought that that might be the reason for the pavement piece. I agree with Laurence. You'll need white pillars at either end, I think?

https://mummystylist.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/slough-high-street-first-zebra-crossing-1951-2.jpg
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on May 09, 2018, 08:59:23 PM
Hi Martin,

Wow ! You have done a fabulous job with this layout, everything seems to look just right and really gels together well.  :thumbsup:

I have now found some little plastic bags, so will put some of the scatter for daisies, buttercups etc in the post for you tomorrow for your newly laid static grass  :D

PS I know exactly what you mean by vacuuming up round a small layout, It is something I dread doing on "Windmill Hill" as it is a task fraught with danger.

With all best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on May 09, 2018, 09:34:29 PM
Looking good Martin. I noticed the 'Pickfords' van - are Mr and Mrs Trigg getting new neighbours?   ???
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 10, 2018, 09:12:24 AM
Looking good Martin. I noticed the 'Pickfords' van - are Mr and Mrs Trigg getting new neighbours?   ???
I wondered if anyone would pick up on that.
No, the driver is lost and is metely asking for directions.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 10, 2018, 09:16:34 AM
Hi Martin,

Wow ! You have done a fabulous job with this layout, everything seems to look just right and really gels together well.  :thumbsup:

I have now found some little plastic bags, so will put some of the scatter for daisies, buttercups etc in the post for you tomorrow for your newly laid static grass  :D

PS I know exactly what you mean by vacuuming up round a small layout, It is something I dread doing on "Windmill Hill" as it is a task fraught with danger.

With all best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Thank you Kevin. Iíll look out for the package.
Iím sure that will make a great difference to the grassy areas.
I have nearly (2-3 more days) finished the major structure of Tregonning. I will then turn my attention to the detail and little people (I know there are already a few in place). Ii want to be very selective in choosing the little folk so that they look like they live there and are going about their spdaily lives.
I also need a few more cows and perhaps sheep for the fields on the edges.
And some of the buildings needs a bit more detail as well.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 15, 2018, 07:55:34 PM
Well, after much playing around with various methods, Iíve finally started on the backscene to Tregonning. Iíve taken various photographs locally and then tried to blend them together and blend them in with my baseboard colours.
Itís not perfect and obviously I still need to do the other two sides and the front.
There are some obvious joins but these will be disguised with some carefully positioned greenery.
One problem was that I really wanted the big house, be ause I think it fits really well but to the right (in real life) is something too modern so I had to make an un-natural join there
Iíve taken the photo to show the entire layout which, of course, would be normal viewing distance. I think it works reasonably well.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-150518195720.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65337)
I eventually opted to use spray adhesive after various trials to fix the photos (on A4 paper) to the mounting card.
The eagle eyed may spot my initial attemps at adding daisies courtesy of Kevin (Phoenix). They are back right just by the cow. Iíll post a close up later.
Thanks Kevin.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on May 15, 2018, 08:23:07 PM
It's looking wonderful, Martin.

Many thanks.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 15, 2018, 08:53:30 PM
Thank you John. The backscene has taken a fair bit of playing around but this is the sort of scene Iím trying to create.
A view across to Tregonning House from the station area with a pannier tank passing on a local pick up goods.
I have a three way finger post to add at the road junction that will, I think, add to the scene quite nicely.
Farmer Ennis is running down the hill from Trgonning Farm on his rather ancient tractor. Hopefully the brakes are working properly.
The small stables are in the process of being finished. Apologies for the dead horse!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-150518205324.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65339)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on May 15, 2018, 08:57:29 PM
It really is a super little layout. The backscene brings it to life.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 15, 2018, 09:04:03 PM
Many thanks for these photos., Martin. The colour photos. work really well as a background. A great idea and Tregonning House fits in really well. All the scenery looks highly realistic. I think this is your best work, yet. Really excellent.

I only wish I had some colour photos. of North Cornwall hills and sky to glue at the back of Cant Cove.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: GreyWolf on May 15, 2018, 09:17:53 PM
Is that some French tourist I see passing through in their 2CV? Marvellous stuff.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: DaveGlew on May 16, 2018, 06:19:03 AM
Lovely modelling
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 17, 2018, 08:42:20 PM
iíve done a little work on the station and goods yard area this evening.
I think this area is starting to take shape now.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-170518203804.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65412)
The scruffy cottage (next to the allotment) is only a mock up. Itís the last building that I need to make for Tregonning. Ithink it looks too big so the finished article may be a small bungalow. Weíll see.
I still need to add some goods/clutter and little people.
The small people are starting to appear on the layout now but not, Iím afraid, in this shot.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: RailGooner on May 17, 2018, 08:48:21 PM
Looking very nice. :thumbsup:

Do I spy some people in the churchyard?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 17, 2018, 08:50:40 PM
Looking very nice. :thumbsup:

Do I spy some people in the churchyard?
Ah yes but itís a cottage not a church  :)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: trkilliman on May 17, 2018, 09:52:21 PM
This is looking incredibly good Martin.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 18, 2018, 09:42:25 AM
Many thanks for the latest photo., Martin. I agree, really excellent scenic modelling with a lot of interesting detail.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on May 18, 2018, 06:51:11 PM
This is looking incredibly good Martin.

Seconded!

 :wonderfulmodelling: :thankyousign:

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Caz on May 18, 2018, 06:53:41 PM
Great stuff as usual Martin, just so much to see in each picture, a pleasure to view.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 18, 2018, 07:42:12 PM
Thanks Caz.
Iíve been doing a bit of work around the creamery this evening so a couple of shots of the milk train leaving (unashamed shades of Hemyock  I think).
First, the 14xx is coming out of the creamery onto the branch line with the grounds of Tregonning House in the background). The Motherís Pride truck is slowed by Major Teagle out for an evening ride on his horse, Winston
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-180518193702.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65475)
A few moments later and the train passes in front of Tregonning House. The occupants of the Morris Traveller have paused to watch the train whilst the horse seems just a little startled by the proceedings.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-180518193929.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65477)
(I need to add some foliage to disguise the change of backscene  plus I need to finish the fence - to avoid the horse escaping onto the track).
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on May 18, 2018, 08:21:43 PM
Looking at your excellent pics you just wouldn't believe the small space involved :no: Wonderful.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: wookie on May 20, 2018, 11:55:06 AM
It's all looking very nice Martin, well done!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: AlexanderJesse on May 20, 2018, 01:09:44 PM
 :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy: That backscene is done in a perfect manor. it looks almost real and blends very well into your layout.  :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy:
 :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 20, 2018, 08:39:37 PM
I thought it about time to start on the back story to Tregonning which is a fictitious branch line off the Par to Newquay line.
Part One (in draft form) ifolliws below:

Tregonning

In the mid 1790s the Trevarnon family, from St Newlyn East near Newquay extended their already healthy business interests into China Clay production.
Lord Trevarnon, by now well into his 60th year, was a well respected land owner and farmer in the area South of Newquay.
Extremely fine quality china clay deposits were discovered near to the tiny Hamlet of Tregonning. Ever the opportunist, Lord Trevarnon seized on the opportunity and established his own china clay dries at nearby Kestle Mill.
Lord Trevarnon was already a wealthy man but the china clay business made him and his family very rich indeed. In 1797 the family bought some 500 acres of land at Tregonning and Tregonning House was completed in 1798.
Lord Trevarnon died , aged 82, in 1820 with his title passing to his eldest son Charles(32) who assumed the role as head of the family and associated businesses which prospered under his astute leadership.
 Charles became a major shareholder in the Cornwall Minerals Railway which, by 1842 had reached Newquay Harbour. Lord Tregonning had negotiated a horse drawn branchline from the CMR to his china clay dries at Tregonning which allowed his business tp expand further still.
However, it was not until 1874 that the line to Newquay became locomotive hauled and then only for freight. It would be 1876 before passenger services commenced from Fowey.
The branch to Kestle Mill remained, at that time, horse drawn.
In 1892 (when the Cornish main broad gauge line wasĒnarrowedĒ) a connection from it was made to Newquay via Par and St Blazey. A connection which survives to this present day.
The Trevarnons were keen exponents of the railway but Charles had died in 1873 at the age of 84. He was succeeded by his only son, Edward who was aged 44.
Edward continued to drive the familyís business interests forward and also continued to promote the railway in Cornwall. Indeed Edward, then aged 63, travelled aboard the first steam hauled passenger train from Par to Newquay in 1892.
By 1893 Edward had established a very fine reputation for his business acumen and was well regarded in his role as a director of the Great Western Railway. Unfortunately, Edward died in 1894 (aged 64). His son, Thomas, took the reins of the family business aged only 21.
In 1895 Thomas persuaded the GWR to construct a branch from the Newquay to Par line to Kestle Mill to serve the china clay dries there. Much of the route from the main line to Kestle  Mill ( a distance of some 4.5 miles) passed through land owned by the Trevarnon family.
Thomas Trevarnon gifted the land to the GWR but insisted that the branch be extended a further 1 mile to Summercourt which was an expanding hamlet and also happened to be at the centre of The Trevarnonís farming interests. Thomas also insisted that a station be built, in the grand style) at Tregonning near to Tregonning House.
By 1896 a single line branch was opened from just South of Quintrell Downs (on the Par to Newquay line) to Summercourt (a distance of 5.5 miles). The only intermediate station was at Tregonning which boasted a grande faÁade (as demanded by Lord Trevarnon). A short branch diverged just West of Tregonning serving the Kestle Mill China Clay dries.
Lord Thomas Trevarnon , then aged just 23, was justifiably proud of the new branchline and in particular, Tregonning station, which could be viewed from Tregonning House.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 21, 2018, 08:30:35 PM
Weíve spent a fair bit of time at our allotment today but this evening, Iíve been adding a bit more backscene made up of photographs taken locally.
It slow but sure progress to try to align things as best I can.
The top right corner was tricky as I wanted to incorporate the road running on into the background from the level crossing.
You can just see the join between baseboard and backscene just above the crossing gate post. Overall though, I think it works reasonably well.
The tree masks the change in scenery between the rear and side backscenes.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-210518202628.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65574)
Aha......just spied the milk churns still on their sprue in the creamery yard!
A few other niggly bits to tidy as well. The camera has a very nasty habit of highlighting problems!
I see I need to realign one of the paving slabs leading to the shed door next to the house.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 21, 2018, 08:40:19 PM
Part Two of the Tregonning back story.

By 1898 there were 6 return passenger trains in each direction from Newquay to Summercourt all stopping at Tregonning. The service was a success and by 1900 a total of 1200 tickets were issued each week. In addition, there were two daily pick up goods trains plus seasonal specials conveying vegetable produce from Summercourt and Tregonning to various destinations within Cornwall and beyond. And in addition there were china clay trains running as required from Kestle Mill.
Thomas Trevarnon became a popular figure and became known as Lord Thomas the Train Man. Thomas and his wife, Lavinia, were frequently to be seen travelling to and from Tregonning by train. In 1906 the Trevarnon family authorised construction of Tregonning Creamery which would bring more employment to the area and more rail traffic.
Of course, much of the milk for the creamery came from the familyís herd of prized Holstein Friesian cattle.
Rail Traffic remained stable for some 45 years when Thomas died aged 72 just after the end of World War Two.
At that time, goods traffic over the Summercourt branch was still healthy as was china clay traffic from Kestle  Mill and mik tanks from Tregonning Creamery. Passenger figures were, however, slowing somewhat to only 1000 passenger journeys each week.
Lord Thomas had must one son, Oliver, who followed in his fatherís footsteps in 1946 at the age of 35. Oliver had inherited his fatherís passion for railways and vowed, with his wife, Lady Emily to ensure that the Summercourt branch would not die.
Oliver was a keen advocate of modern farming methods which revitalised the output from the family farms. He was also great friends with the eminent potter from Burslem, Henry Wolstein, who was building a quite remarkable reputation for fine quality porcelain requiring the very best china clay.
Lord Oliver soon realised that he was sitting on a gold mine at Kestle Mill and agreed  to supply Wolstein with the very best clay, thus ensuring the survival of the branchline.
Also, luckily, with the establishment, by BR in 1951,of Quintrell Downs South Junction, trains could run direct from Summercourt and Tregonning to Truro. This greatly increased passenger traffic.
And soÖÖThe Summercourt branch entered the 1960s in good fettle.
Indeed in 1961 Lord and Lady Trevarnon travelled by special train from Tregonning to Paddington raising still further the profile of the branch.
SoÖ by late 1961 the branch line was still in a healthy state. Lord Trevarnon was keen to ensure that it stayed that way.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on May 21, 2018, 08:44:38 PM
Hi Martin !

That looks fantastic. The road is blending perfectly into the backscene.   :thumbsup:  :D  :thumbsup:

The modelling is awesome. You have the knack of making everything look so natural. That corner is perfect, and I can't wait to see some little people busying themselves round the village  ;)

PS. Yes the camera really does pick up any little glitches, but I find it is a great tool for spotting things you may otherwise miss, and enabling you to fix them.

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on May 21, 2018, 09:04:08 PM
Again, some brilliant modelling Martin. As regards seeing the join - I had to enlarge the picture and then look twice! Excellent stuff.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on May 21, 2018, 09:24:14 PM
Again, some brilliant modelling Martin. As regards seeing the join - I had to enlarge the picture and then look twice! Excellent stuff.  :thumbsup:

Me too!  I think it blends in really well.

...Yes the camera really does pick up any little glitches, but I find it is a great tool for spotting things you may otherwise miss, and enabling you to fix them...

Exactly (I found this out yesterday)!  I'm sure that you will fix these little things in a jiffy.

Many thanks for the very interesting history of the line.  I look forward to Part 3.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on May 22, 2018, 06:37:47 AM
I do like the back story, Martin.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 22, 2018, 08:14:32 AM
I do like the back story, Martin.

Seconded! I hope to respond more fully, next month.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on May 22, 2018, 03:55:57 PM
It's all coming together! Just waiting for some scandal.  :o
The back scene is fabulous. Unfortunately Spanish mountains wouldn't look good on mine :(
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 23, 2018, 07:39:39 PM
Part Three and Final Instalment of the back story

So by the Summer of 1962 the typical daily timetable for the branch would include :
5 passenger trains in each direction between Newquay and Summercourt
2 passenger trains in each direction between Summercourt and Truro
2 passenger trains in each direction between Tregonning and Newquay.
2 milk trains in either direction to Tregonning Creamery,
2 daily round pick up goods trips.
A daily china clay train.
Motive power was largely in the hands of 45xx prarie tanks, 57xx and 64xx pannier tanks, 14xx 0-4-2 tanks and an ex GW railcar.
Increasingly, however, Class 121 railcars, class 22 and 35 hydraulics and class 08 shunters were appearing.
It was also, on rare occasions, possible to see ex SR locos in the form of M7s and N Moguls arriving from Wadebridge plus the odd BR standard tank.
Lord Oliver Trevarnon along with his good lady wife Emily (both now aged 50) were very keen to see their  branchline  survive, despite the best efforts of a certain Dr Beeching who was ready to wield his axe!

Oliver and Emily were great exponents of the local railway and indeed, they were determined that the railway would continue to be the primary transport source for their agricultural interests and the output from both the creamery and Kestle Mill. The couple worked very closely with BR and with two local railway preservation groups, namely the CLPG and the local branch of the GWS. In addition, they fostered a blossoming relationship with two other great railway exponents in Lord and Lady Trevelver of Cant Cove.
The twin sons of Lord and Lady Trevarnon, Michael and Francis followed in their parents footsteps in that they too showed a healthy interest in railways. Indeed both of them, aged 26,  were undergoing full training with the CLPG to be steam engine drivers. Lord Oliver himself, keen to see steam traction survive in Cornwall, was a major benefactor to the CLPG.
Railways in Cornwall seemed to be in safe hands.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 23, 2018, 08:18:44 PM
Thank you, Martin, for another very interesting update. I will mention their friendship with Lord and Lady Trevelver, of Trevelver Castle, near Cant Cove, soon. Also, the Association for the Promotion of Cornwall's Railways, an umbrella organisation bringing together all important local businesses and organisations (including BR SR and BR WR), of which Lord and Lady Trevarnon, like the Trevelvers, are active members should not be forgotten. Lastly, the considerable promotion efforts of the owners and principal directors of the advertising agency, Trevelver and Guillou (Wadebridge and London), alias our good friends Sylvia and Eli, should be mentioned.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 23, 2018, 08:24:04 PM
Thank you, Martin, for another very interesting update. I will mention their friendship with Lord and Lady Trevelver, of Trevelver Castle, near Cant Cove, soon. Also, the Association for the Promotion of Cornwall's Railways, an umbrella organisation bringing together all important local businesses and organisations (including BR SR and BR WR), of which Lord and Lady Trevarnon, like the Trevelvers, are active members should not be forgotten. Lastly, the considerable promotion efforts of the owners and principal directors of the advertising agency, Trevelver and Guillou (Wadebridge and London), alias our good friends Sylvia and Eli, should be mentioned.
Iíll follow up with an update on the back story in a day or so Chris .
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 24, 2018, 02:29:46 PM
I thought it was about time I tried a video of Tregonning so here goes.
Do remember that it isnít finished yet and that this is the first time Iíve run anything for a couple of months so the track is a bit messy.
I have now finished all of the major structures and scenery with the exception of the small cottage near the goods yard which is still a mock up.
Iíll now be working left to right adding detail and tidying up any rough edges (of which there are a fair few!).
So here it is, warts and all :

https://youtu.be/N-Bq5ngFW2A

I had to remove a couple of lineside features which Iíd placed too close to the track. It had been ok with pannier and van but the class 121 is a bit longer and caight a few things including the ground frame building so I had to shave a bit off the roof!  Also some of the fencing at the two level crossings were just that bit too close.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on May 24, 2018, 03:42:26 PM
Good to see Tregonning 'coming to life', Martin. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Caz on May 24, 2018, 07:54:19 PM
Lovely video Martin, amazing what you can fit in a case!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on May 24, 2018, 09:11:29 PM
A great video. So much in such a small space. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on May 24, 2018, 09:22:20 PM
Excellent film of a splendid layout.

Thank you very much.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 24, 2018, 09:57:37 PM
 :hellosign: Many thanks Martin for the superb video, so much to see,  :thumbsup:
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 25, 2018, 09:32:21 AM
Thank you, Martin. It's good to see how everything fits together in the relatively small space without looking cramped in any way. A great achievement.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 29, 2018, 07:21:00 PM
Weíve had guests for a few days which meant that Tregonning had to be stowed away. This was a good test as it was the first time that the nearly complete layout was stored on its side. And really, this was the whole idea of constructing it.
Anyway, we took the opportunity to change the spare room around once our visitors had departed.
Hereís Tregonning in its new position and I can report no ill effects of having been moved about.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-290518192053.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65834)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 29, 2018, 07:24:44 PM
That's very good news, Martin.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on May 29, 2018, 10:15:01 PM
 :hellosign:

Hi Martin, as Chris says, that is really good news that nothing got dislodged and all is well.  :claphappy:

I have had the same as you with visitors, and had to tidy the room up for them .....
here is a similar photo to the one you took  :D When my layout grows up it wants to be a proper one like yours

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/5755-290518215630-65848125.jpeg)

I noticed on yours there was what looked like  a sharp corner on the front left backscene, I'm sure you have it sorted as a rounded corner won't catch on the lid.

Hope all is good with you, and thank you so much for all the help and advice you have contributed to my little layout.

With all best wishes and thanks
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 30, 2018, 07:53:56 AM
A truly portable layout!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 30, 2018, 08:20:23 PM
Thanks Kevin. When I  see your lovely layout in its box on the bed I realise how tiny it is and how much detail you have managed to squeeze into such a miniscule space.   Itís extraordinary.
As for me....Iím back into modelling mood after our guests so I spent a couple of hours this evening starting the final building.
You may remember that I had a mock up of a cottage cum bungalow next to the allotment garden.  It didnít really look right. Too small really for a cottage and too tall for a bungalow.
So....Iíve decided on bungalow. Itís not finished yetbut the basic shell is done. When itís all dry (overnight), Iíll add drainpipes and bargeboards etc. Plus, it is only ďplonkedĒ in its space at the moment.
I think it fits in ok?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-300518201826.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65864)
I think maybe a water butt and some climbing ivy at the chimney end and perhaps a couple of little window boxes beneath the windows?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on May 30, 2018, 09:29:44 PM
Loolking good. :thumbsup:
Just a question, you lot with mini layouts, do you sleep with them or was it by chance that you caught them on the beds? :worried:
 I wouldn't let mine anywhere near my bed. :no:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 31, 2018, 03:27:28 PM
 :hellosign:  :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:
   Glad all is good with Tregonning after storage Martin, the bungalow is looking good already, superb modelling   :thumbsup:
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 31, 2018, 06:42:02 PM
Loolking good. :thumbsup:
Just a question, you lot with mini layouts, do you sleep with them or was it by chance that you caught them on the beds? :worried:
 I wouldn't let mine anywhere near my bed. :no:
Hi Brian.
Itís just that my railway room is the spare bedroom and luckily, Tregonning fits nicely onto one of the sapre beds.
It stows away nicely under the bed when we have guests.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 31, 2018, 06:53:43 PM
Quite a nice day here so lots going on including getting ready for 3 days (Friday-Sunday) at a local music festival at nearby Scorrier House. Weíll be walking there and back (about 2 miles each way) every day. Not sure how the trips back in the dark where we have to go through the woods will work after several hours in the beer tent and at the secret gin garden  :beers:.
Anyway, a bit of work on Tregonning today. Iíve added more detail to the little cottage garden bungalow. I still need to tidy it up and Iím not sure about the window boxes :
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-310518184722.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65906)
With the spare room rejigged a bit, photographs are easier and the light better.
So I took this photo of the 15.20 departure for Newquay. Hopefully, the Southern National buses arenít taking too much trade from the railway

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/230-310518185032.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65908)
If you look carefully, you can just see Tregonning House in the far distance just by the left chimney of the Post Office.
The small building to the left of the PO is the stables run by the postmasterís daughter.
The fruit van, in the short bay siding, is being loaded with local fresh rhubarb for transportation to London later that evening.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on May 31, 2018, 08:40:09 PM
I like the window boxes, different. Be careful you don't disturb the teddy bear's picnic when you go down to the woods. ???
Anyone else remember that song? It used to be played on a Saturday morning children's request program on the Beeb. 65+ years ago
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on May 31, 2018, 08:52:08 PM
I like the window boxes, different. Be careful you don't disturb the teddy bear's picnic when you go down to the woods. ???
Anyone else remember that song? It used to be played on a Saturday morning children's request program on the Beeb. 65+ years ago
Iíll look out for ďBig SurprisesĒ and hopefully if I see anything I will be able to believe my eyes.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on May 31, 2018, 08:53:04 PM
I like the window boxes, different. Be careful you don't disturb the teddy bear's picnic when you go down to the woods. ???
Anyone else remember that song? It used to be played on a Saturday morning children's request program on the Beeb. 65+ years ago
The recording was by Henry Hall who, at the time, was head of music at the BBC.  I was told at the time (I wasn't very old then) that it was used to test the accoustics of venues used for music by the BBC.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: rogerdB on May 31, 2018, 09:39:48 PM
The recording was by Henry Hall who, at the time, was head of music at the BBC.  I was told at the time (I wasn't very old then) that it was used to test the accoustics of venues used for music by the BBC.

A copy of the disc - 78 rpm, of course - could be found in most studios many years ago and was used for checking the grams. It was probably chosen because it had, for that time, a wide range of frequencies and was useful for a quick aural check that all was well. Shudder to think how many times I heard it!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on June 01, 2018, 09:16:10 AM
The attention to detail on your layouts is astonishing, Martin. You, and other forum members with mini layouts, knock some exhibition layouts I've seen into a cocked hat.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 01, 2018, 10:29:54 AM
The attention to detail on your layouts is astonishing, Martin. You, and other forum members with mini layouts, knock some exhibition layouts I've seen into a cocked hat.
Thank you Mick.
And the size of some......particularly Phoenixís Windmill Hill wouldalmost fit into said cocked hat.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 01, 2018, 02:56:34 PM
Thanks for the latest two photo. updates, Martin. Really excellent work. The bungalow flower boxes look very good. I'd keep them as they are. I'm not sure about the pieces of white fencing around the water crane though.

The Southern National buses should be timetabled to connect with the local trains and not compete with them. 8-)

I certainly do remember "The Teddy Bears' Picnic" being played on the radio.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on June 01, 2018, 04:57:24 PM
Great pictures Martin, all looks so natural  :thumbsup:

I just noticed Mito's comment ...... I'm like you, train room is the spare bedroom. If the layout is not on the bench / dressing table ( which it is not now as I am putting NEM pockets on wagons, and lighting a coach at the moment) the layout is on the bed.

I must find a cocked hat to keep it in instead  :D  ;D  :D

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 01, 2018, 05:22:30 PM
 :hellosign:    :greatpicturessign:  Excellent modelling Martin, them window boxes are superbly detailed, I think they should stay. As Chris (IP) says the buses are a connection to the villages with no rail connection & as so look just right.
   Enjoy the music festival & take care through the woods   :beers:
   I remember the song from my childhood, amazing how they seem to go on forever.
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: GreyWolf on June 01, 2018, 11:56:21 PM
I'm getting very depressed you know!

Here am I bearly started on me first layout and ... I'm like WOW ... and your like ... 'sorted' ... and I'm like 'detail man' ... and your all like ... obvs!

{Ah, hem ... (cough splutter!) ... pull your self together man!}

Seriously such fantastic detail and realism, very very cool and big thanks for sharing these!

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 02, 2018, 07:51:46 AM
Excellent Martin. Judging by your rate of progress youíre not missing work? I see a new layout starting soon.... ;)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on June 04, 2018, 03:55:17 PM
Hi Martin,

Was looking at a few German sites, saw this and thought of you and Bertie. New Lemke product LC3881. Cheaper on other sites but they don't always let you copy and paste....

http://www.lemkecollection.de/de/Uebersicht/Spur-N/VW-Bus-T2-orange/weiss-Westfalia-Camper-Faltdach (http://www.lemkecollection.de/de/Uebersicht/Spur-N/VW-Bus-T2-orange/weiss-Westfalia-Camper-Faltdach)

Not sure if yours has that roof. We had one when I was a kid but the roof just went straight up about 2 maybe 3 foot and flat on top.

Thought might be of interest in case you were thinking of buying orange paint for your blue one.

Great pics over the last few weeks if I haven't said it recently. Have been pressing the thank you button.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS Hope you had a great time at the festival man!!!

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 04, 2018, 04:15:33 PM
Hi Martin,

Was looking at a few German sites, saw this and thought of you and Bertie. New Lemke product LC3881. Cheaper on other sites but they don't always let you copy and paste....

[url]http://www.lemkecollection.de/de/Uebersicht/Spur-N/VW-Bus-T2-orange/weiss-Westfalia-Camper-Faltdach[/url] ([url]http://www.lemkecollection.de/de/Uebersicht/Spur-N/VW-Bus-T2-orange/weiss-Westfalia-Camper-Faltdach[/url])

Not sure if yours has that roof. We had one when I was a kid but the roof just went straight up about 2 maybe 3 foot and flat on top.

Thought might be of interest in case you were thinking of buying orange paint for your blue one.

Great pics over the last few weeks if I haven't said it recently. Have been pressing the thank you button.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS Hope you had a great time at the festival man!!!

Thanks Chris. That is indeed an interesting product. Our van is a different configuration but the colour is spot on so perhaps Iíll order one.
Thanks for comments re the pictures and yes, the festival was great.
3 mile walk in each direction for the three days but great fun and by and large the weather was good (especially Sunday).
Good music and great food and drink - especially the cider which went down much  too well. Plus the secret gin garden and the Pimms bus. Never sure withPimms whether I drink it or eat it but Mrs PP certainly enjoyed it.
Great stuff and 30,000+ steps on our fitbits every day so canít be bad.
Relaxing now and winding down with a vodka and tonic in the conservatory.
 :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on June 04, 2018, 04:42:51 PM
Hi again,

Sounds great. Had to look up fitbit  :dunce:. Luckily I do physical work outside so don't need to worry, yet  :worried: , about that sort of thing but good for you.

The cider and gin, well, 2 of my favourites with red wine in the middle.

Not a Pimms fan but the wife would have loved it. If there was a Cava tent as well our fitbits would register 4 or 5 steps, being the ones you take when you're trying to stop falling  :)

Enjoy your VAT.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 04, 2018, 06:56:26 PM
One of the nice things about having three loosely related railways (not to mention other peopleís railways that run along a similar theme) is that I can photograph through trains.
Itís 1961 and the BR authorities are experimenting with a weekly (Mondays only) shoppers special running from Tregonning to Newquay to Trepol Bay then on to Wadebridge and Cant Cove from where the train returns to Wadebridge and travels  West to Truro via Trepol Bay and Port Perran.
This involves a degree of ďrunning roundĒ and reversal but will involve one loco (usually a 45xx prarie) throughout, takng water at Newquay, Wadebridge and Port Perran.
The inaugural train is captured at four locations earlier today.
First leaving Tregonning passing the goods yard and the newly restored cottage
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-040618184946.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66052)
A few moments later passing the grounds of Tregonning House. The cattle and horses seem at ease with the passing of a steam train (Note, I need to fiddle with that backscene a little)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-040618185149.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66053)
The train is seen sometime later just restarting from Trepol Bay heading for Wadebridge having called at Newquay.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-040618185317.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66054)
Two hours later, now running bunker first, the train is snapped again passing Perran Sands Halt before its scheduled stop at Port Perran
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-040618185526.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66055)
It is just possible that another photo was taken at Cant Cove but if so, the photographer hasnít published it yet.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 04, 2018, 07:27:09 PM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign:  :thankyousign:   :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 04, 2018, 07:54:41 PM
Thanks for an excellent series of photos., Martin. The cottage looks excellent. Cant Cove's photographer has been 'out and about' but has a backlog of films to have developed and printed. He is hoping to have them ready later this week or early next week.

With rapid dieselisation on BR WR, some almost new BR Standard Suburban coaches (some still in BR Crimson, like the pair shown; others in BR Lined Maroon), have become surplus and, at the instigation of the Association for the Promotion of Cornwall's Railways, have been moved to Cornwall to provide low-cost extra capacity and cover for when ex-GWR B Sets are away being overhauled as well. Similarly, a couple of the BR / Hawksworth design autocoaches have been drafted in to replace Collett design ones being overhauled.

Off-peak, especially in the winter months, ex-GWR diesel railcars will be used which, after having been overhauled at Worcester Works using parts from withdrawn examples and Swindon Works, will be similarly transferred to Cornwall, after their scheduled withdrawal from Worcester (85A). (The last 5, W20W, W22W, W23W, W26W, W32W; and W24W (82B; then to 85A?) being scheduled for withdrawal in the October of 1962.) The railcars can haul a limited (because of the steep local gradients) tail load of goods stock or an autocoach or BR Standard Suburban coach, when required. BR's own design of railcars and DMUs are not scheduled to arrive until 1964, in North Cornwall.

As part of the service review instigated by the Association for the Promotion of Cornwall's Railways, cautious attempts are being made to link hitherto separated, but connecting, BR WR and BR SR local services to provide longer through services both for the benefit of locals and, in the Summer timetable, for visiting enthusiasts. The trials began, from Easter 1961, with a weekly (Mondays only) shoppers special running from Tregonning to Newquay to Trepol Bay then on to Wadebridge, Cant Cove, and Penmayne, from where the train returns to Wadebridge and travels West to Truro via Trepol Bay and Port Perran. These services can also be used, as required, for refresher training of BR staff, particularly loco. crew. With steam locos. provided by the GWS and CLPG, on operating leases, an interesting variety of locos. can be provided at no extra cost to BR WR which is still short of diesel locomotives.

Starting with the Summer timetable, a more ambitious joint BR WR and BR SR service will run weekdays and weekends between Truro, Wadebridge, and Penmayne (not all trains covering the full route) some being provided with autotrain connections to Tregonning, Perran Beach, and Cant Cove (these last two being passed by by the longer-distance services). Autofitted 14xx, 64xx and 4575 locos. have been prepared with further 14xx and 4575s awaited from Swindon Works; however, again, in view of the steep gradients in the area, the 14xxs will be confined to short out-and-back workings where the track is level and one or two autocoaches sufficient for the predicted traffic.

It is confidently expected that a lot of enthusiasts will travel to, and stay in, the area to enjoy this feast of steam. Connecting special trains from across the country have also been organised. By special agreement, some locos. and coaches will appear in pre-BR liveries on special Saturdays.

First class travellers have not been forgotten, with the drafting in of some new BR Standard FKs, by both regions, for use in London services and local specials, as required, the provision of a connecting luxury motor coach service provided by "Seagull" coaches, and gourmet weekends at leading local hotels.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 04, 2018, 10:34:25 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/4216-040618222856.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66061)
 :hellosign: Just an interesting observation (to me) on Chris (IP) last post. Above the Burlingham SEAGULL as operated by Seagull coaches of Blackpool around the 50s & 60s, fond memories
     regards Derek. 
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 05, 2018, 07:08:08 PM
Thank you for painting the little background story Chris.

Iím now very much at the point of adding all the detail and the little people to Tregonning.
This evening, Iíve been working on the little triangle of land where the creamery siding leaves the branchline and have tried several ideas culminating with this
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-050618190009.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66075)
The Ivatt Mickey Mouse tank is added to give interest to the scene having just deposited a milk tank into the siding. The grounds of Tregonning House form the background.
Itís a bit of a dull area so have added the railwayman overseeing shunting duties whilst old Mrs Tremayne is saying hello to Jarvis the rescued gypsy horse.
The gate will be closed once shunting activities have ceased but has seen better days.
However, Iím unsure about the signal and the frogmanís hut (do you recognise that  Chris IP?).
Iíll live with the scene for a day or so till I fix things permanently.
On looking again, I think that the nearest cow needs a little more brown above the front leg. Or am I being too picky?

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on June 05, 2018, 08:37:52 PM
A lovely scene. A bit more brown on the cow. Fresians were not around in great numbers then, I would imagine that Ayrshires were more numerous.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 05, 2018, 09:20:32 PM
Agreed; a really lovely photo. A great scene; your best, yet, Martin. All the scenery blends together perfectly. I wouldn't change anything; although I agree that the cow needs some more brown. These days, Cornish premium milk comes from Guernsey & Jersey cows; I don't know whether that was the case back in the early 1960s? Your Ivatt has been very nicely lightly weathered, it appears. I have that particular "Toad" and so should Brian, soon. The milk tanker has been nicely weathered, too; but photos' show them virtually black apart from some streaks on the top near the milk loading point. (I need to weather some of mine.)

Yes, thanks, Martin, I had wondered what happened to the fogman's hut and the railwayman holding up a white lamp showing green. I was thinking that it would be located where drifting sea fog would be a problem. (Mine will be located outside Cant Cove station.) I had been thinking of Port Perran but, now, I believe, because of ATC, the GWR did not need fogmen? So it would have to be on the Trepol Bay Harbour branch?

The (moveable) gate at the entrance to the Castle Branch was made from a similar Peco plastic level crossing gate but with the half-circle VERY carefully cut away with a brand new very sharp knife and then a very fine file VERY carefully, again, used to clean it up. It's neither been painted nor weathered. A new Class 08 cannot pass the gate when open as there is just too little clearance but one would not venture up the branch anyway.

I did not know there was a real "Seagull Coaches" in Blackpool, Derek. However, the ones to be seen (soon) in North and Western Cornwall are Bedford OBs and not the very nice Burlingham type you uploaded a photo. of, I'm sorry to say. I wonder if Oxford Models will make that type?

We 'did' 1962, last summer, but 1961 is more interesting for BR WR locos., apart from the lack of "Westerns". I look forward to the usual posting of trains, including specials from other layouts. Everyone has BR Maroon Mark 1s but BR WR Chocolate & Cream and, of course, BR SR Green liveried ones are also fine. Additionally, I have a rake of BR Maroon Staniers and Gresleys. BR Crimson & Cream coaches are also possibilities (but not Staniers or Gresleys).

My apologies for the lack of photos. The 4575 plus two BR Crimson BR Standard Suburbans will, I hope, be photographed, Thursday.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 05, 2018, 11:03:53 PM


I did not know there was a real "Seagull Coaches" in Blackpool, Derek. However, the ones to be seen (soon) in North and Western Cornwall are Bedford OBs and not the very nice Burlingham type you uploaded a photo. of, I'm sorry to say. I wonder if Oxford Models will make that type?


:hellosign: Chris (IP) The Burlingham Seagull is available from Oxford models but alas not in Seagull livery, maybe in future. The Bedford OB was a fine widely used small coach ideal for the Cornish roads. Sorry for the hijack Martin
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 06, 2018, 05:52:01 PM
Just gauging opinion.
Iíve not been happy with the water column on the platform at Tregonning.
It just looks wrong to my eyes.
You can see it in this photo but Iím considering replacing it with the water tower which Iíve temporarily slid into place. Obviously the one will replace the other.
I think I prefer the tower (I have a loco filling bag for it). What do others think?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-060618175122.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66112)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on June 06, 2018, 06:19:26 PM
Purely my opinion but the tower gets my vote. Trouble is, I don't know what would be prototypical for that size station/area.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on June 06, 2018, 08:34:51 PM
Water column for me. The tower looks too overpowering.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: AlexanderJesse on June 06, 2018, 11:30:17 PM
Water column for me. The tower looks too overpowering.
I would second that.
The tower in the middle of the platfom gives me the creeps. A watertower would look better close to the loco-shed
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on June 07, 2018, 06:34:12 AM
It occurs to me that the tower is a bit over the top for a small cornish station.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 07, 2018, 06:50:20 AM
Yes, the tower looks too big to me.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 07, 2018, 08:57:52 AM
I like the water tower, there, too, Martin.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 07, 2018, 04:38:24 PM
The Truro 4575, in BR Lined Green Late Crest livery, with two BR WR BR Standard Suburban coaches (a Composite and a Brake Second) still in BR Crimson, is now seen at Cant Cove, on the trial weekly (Mondays only) shoppers special service running from Tregonning to Newquay to Trepol Bay then on to Wadebridge, Cant Cove, and Penmayne from where the train returns to Wadebridge before travelling West to Truro via Trepol Bay and Port Perran.

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/2018-06-07%2016.42.02_zps3pvhjw5d.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/2018-06-07%2016.42.02_zps3pvhjw5d.jpg.html)

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/20180607_164242_zpsjdczbn3s.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/20180607_164242_zpsjdczbn3s.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 07, 2018, 04:49:33 PM


I did not know there was a real "Seagull Coaches" in Blackpool, Derek. However, the ones to be seen (soon) in North and Western Cornwall are Bedford OBs and not the very nice Burlingham type you uploaded a photo. of, I'm sorry to say. I wonder if Oxford Models will make that type?


:hellosign: Chris (IP) The Burlingham Seagull is available from Oxford models but alas not in Seagull livery, maybe in future. The Bedford OB was a fine widely used small coach ideal for the Cornish roads. Sorry for the hijack Martin
     regards Derek.

Thanks, Derek. The Oxford Diecast Burlingham Sunsaloon Alexander Bluebird looks very nice but would they have appeared in Cornwall?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: 25901JFM on June 07, 2018, 06:01:30 PM
Personally I think the existing water crane looks more appropriate.  That tower looks too overbearing to me.  Just my opinion though!

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 08, 2018, 08:38:02 PM
 :hellosign: Yes Martin the tower does overpower the station IMO.


I did not know there was a real "Seagull Coaches" in Blackpool, Derek. However, the ones to be seen (soon) in North and Western Cornwall are Bedford OBs and not the very nice Burlingham type you uploaded a photo. of, I'm sorry to say. I wonder if Oxford Models will make that type?


:hellosign: Chris (IP) The Burlingham Seagull is available from Oxford models but alas not in Seagull livery, maybe in future. The Bedford OB was a fine widely used small coach ideal for the Cornish roads. Sorry for the hijack Martin
     regards Derek.

Thanks, Derek. The Oxford Diecast Burlingham Sunsaloon Alexander Bluebird looks very nice but would they have appeared in Cornwall?
Chris(IP), It is quit feasible for a Scottish coach company to offer tours to Cornwall or private hire for a sports tournament.
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 09, 2018, 10:02:27 AM
:hellosign: Yes Martin the tower does overpower the station IMO.

Thanks, again, Derek. All the current Oxford Diecast Burlingham Sunsaloon models seem to be in the livery of Scottish operators. I'll have to think which one to go for (I like the Bluebird livery) or wait and hope other liveries will become available. I suppose the Perthshire RPS could bring a road coach down for their use in connection with a special train?


I did not know there was a real "Seagull Coaches" in Blackpool, Derek. However, the ones to be seen (soon) in North and Western Cornwall are Bedford OBs and not the very nice Burlingham type you uploaded a photo. of, I'm sorry to say. I wonder if Oxford Models will make that type?


:hellosign: Chris (IP) The Burlingham Seagull is available from Oxford models but alas not in Seagull livery, maybe in future. The Bedford OB was a fine widely used small coach ideal for the Cornish roads. Sorry for the hijack Martin
     regards Derek.

Thanks, Derek. The Oxford Diecast Burlingham Sunsaloon Alexander Bluebird looks very nice but would they have appeared in Cornwall?
Chris(IP), It is quit feasible for a Scottish coach company to offer tours to Cornwall or private hire for a sports tournament.
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 17, 2018, 12:10:09 PM
After about two weeks or so, I have this morning restarted work on Tregonning.
Helped no end by the damp, miserable weather outside.
Iím at the ďtidying and adding detailĒ stage and have been working on the back right corner
Iíve added a couple of trees and a grounded van body (which Iíve moved around a fair bit to get the location right).
Iíve also (thanks to Kevin - Phoenix) added some daisies and buttercups to the grass which, I think, works a treat. Thank you Kevin.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-170618120625.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66517)
I need to add some soil etc around the large tree roots and Iím not convinced about that bit of fence to the right of the grounded van?
I also need to smooth down the join in the backscene.
Just for information, the rather messy building is the abandoned scout hut (oops-one of the conifers needs straightening).
As ever, comments, suggestions and criticisms welcomed.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on June 17, 2018, 12:16:14 PM
It looks good as is, but regarding the bit of white fence to the right of the grounded van - maybe try a piece of brown fence.  ???
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on June 17, 2018, 02:03:50 PM
It looks good as is, but regarding the bit of white fence to the right of the grounded van - maybe try a piece of brown fence.  ???

Yes ineed, that would look just right.

Thank you for the lovely photograph, Martin. 

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 17, 2018, 02:44:29 PM
It looks good as is, but regarding the bit of white fence to the right of the grounded van - maybe try a piece of brown fence.  ???

Yes ineed, that would look just right.

Thank you for the lovely photograph, Martin. 

John

Seconded, both! 8-)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 17, 2018, 03:07:21 PM
Ok. Brown fencing it is
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-170618150302.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66524)
Iíve also been fiddling with the area near the Post Office and stables.
The gentleman with the two cases is hurrying to cross the road to the station to catch his train whilst the postmaster is struggling with a rather large parcel
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-170618150401.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66525)

And from the other direction
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-170618150508.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66526)
Iíve added a bus stop this afternoon.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on June 17, 2018, 03:16:42 PM
I have said it before but will say it again, some excellent modelling, (and photographs). Just a little bit of 'nit-picking' - the bus stop sign looks a bit 'chunky'. Sorry.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 17, 2018, 03:19:59 PM
I have said it before but will say it again, some excellent modelling, (and photographs). Just a little bit of 'nit-picking' - the bus stop sign looks a bit 'chunky'. Sorry.
Yes, I was looking at that. As ever it looks worse in the photo than to the naked eye. Itís actually a cocktail stick. Maybe a rethink?
Thanks for the nice comments by the way.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 17, 2018, 03:57:08 PM
Another excellent set of photos., Martin. The change of fence, plus the added detailing, really add further to the character. In N Scale, if you make something like a bus stop scale size it'll be very flimsy unless you use one of the white metal kit ones. (I, probably, have a spare one but until I have a full tidy up finding it will be difficult. I only need one for outside the Cant Cove station building.) Maybe you can sand down the cocktail stick to make it thinner?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on June 17, 2018, 05:27:16 PM
A nice set of photos again. :thumbsup:
The brown fence is a great improvement. I have some piano wire that I was thinking of using for road signs. It's about scale diameter and flexible so if it's knocked no damage is done. For bus stops a thin piece of card or paper soaked in super glue to make it rigid and for road signs clear acetate laser printed. No need to try and cut the triangles out. That's a long time in the future for me but maybe worth a try for you.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on June 17, 2018, 08:58:20 PM
Thank you for these fabulous photographs.

The fence looks better in brown.

Which makes me think (a very dangerous situation!); would the railway fence behind the 'Pannier' be better in brown as well?  The railway companies here in Blighty were required to fence their lines (more or less - there were certain exceptions) but I think it would be unlikely that white paint would be used other than at level crossings and suchlike (as you have done at the level crossing and pedestrian gates).

Just a thought...

Wonderful modelling, thank you.

John

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 18, 2018, 05:53:31 AM
I agree, the railway fence behind the 'Pannier' would look better in brown, as well.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 18, 2018, 07:06:47 AM
Excellent Martin. Fence much better in brown. Maybe try florists wire for the bus stop?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 18, 2018, 12:56:09 PM
Many, many thanks to you all for the input and suggestions.
First off, I think the bus stop sign looks wrong and will be amended. Iím thinking of simply adding the sign itself to the shelter. It looks like a massive teleggraph pole with a sign stuck on it and it does rather dominate.

As for the fence. I look at it slightly differently. Whilst I do like things to be reasonably historically accurate, Iím not beholden to that approach.
I want my layouts (and particularly this one) to be pleasing to the eye.
So after very careful thought and consideration, .Iím keeping the white fence as it, to me, is visually pleasing (even if it does look a bit like the rails on a racecourse). I wasnít happy about the small poece of white fence by the grounded van body as it just looked visually wrong.
Maybe, however, I need to weather the whiteness down a bit though.
Keep the suggestions coming though.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on June 18, 2018, 01:41:15 PM
As for the fence. I look at it slightly differently. Whilst I do like things to be reasonably historically accurate, Iím not beholden to that approach.
I want my layouts (and particularly this one) to be pleasing to the eye.

I could not agree more, Martin.

Twenty years ago I would not have been one for this approach but now I am.  I want a little world to make me happy and, as such, it will probably look a bit like a poor pastiche of an illustration from a Ladybird book.  But strict realism is not for me nowadays.

For me, it is the graffiti test.  I loathe graffiti in real life and would not have it on a layout*.  But many others do and consider it part of their realistic portrayal of a railway in miniature.  I am delighted to exchange that realism for visual attraction.

* Although, if I choose to develop Sandrock, my US 'N' scale layout, there might well be a shed or something similar with 'I like Ike' and 'Support the March of Dimes' painted on it.  But it will be the owner who will have painted his own shed!

Finally, all three of your layouts that I have seen on the Forum score very highly on the 'pleasing to the eye' test as far as I'm concerned and are greatly influencing my thinking.  Thank you.


John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on June 18, 2018, 02:01:26 PM
Here, here!  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on June 18, 2018, 04:12:49 PM
Agreed! Nothing like doing your own thing. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: AlexanderJesse on June 18, 2018, 10:13:43 PM
If the fence is not painted it would tend to become dark grey as almost all wood, left untreated, tends to end up.
Some brownish dark grey with greenish spots...
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on June 18, 2018, 10:14:59 PM
... and a bit of fungi growing from the rotten uprights ...
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 19, 2018, 07:47:33 AM
Railway trackside fencing was, especially, last century, maintained in very good condition (it was a legislative requirement that fencing was maintained in a secure condition). Other fencing was, often, in the condition described.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 19, 2018, 12:12:53 PM
Moving onwards and upwards. Well, Eastwards in this case.
Iíve been tidying up the backscene this morning to try to camouflage some of the seams and joins. Itís a little harder with my own photographed scene rather than proprietory ones I think but I have made an improvement. I very much like Kevin /Mickís ideas of a plastic edging so will purchase some of that maybe tomorrow or Thursday.
And Iím moving on to bringing the creamery to life this afternoon with little people, assorted clutter (just waiting for some painted milk churns to dry) and appropriate vehicles. Unless, that is, I get distracted by the football and cricket which is highly likely.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 20, 2018, 08:30:11 PM
A few pictures of work in and around the creamery.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-200618202457.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66724)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-200618202556.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66725)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-200618202744.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66727)

A fair bit of tidying to do yet plus I need to do something in the little road up to the factory gates. It all looks too bare. I have a couple of ideas so weíll wait and see.

I now have a deadline as the case will be off to Hayle show at the end of August.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on June 20, 2018, 08:52:35 PM
Again, super photos and great detail. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on June 20, 2018, 08:59:28 PM
Again, super photos and great detail. :thumbsup:

Seconded!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on June 20, 2018, 09:40:13 PM
A long time ago I spent a New Years Eve weekend in Polperro which some of you may know is a 'car free' village i.e. you have to park up outside the village and walk to where you are staying. At the time (and I don't know if the tradition continues) the entire village dressed up in fancy dress for the New Years Eve and hit the pubs. I was dressed as a mad doctor c/w white coat, stethoscope etc and had an absolute riot that night. Anyway, to the point of this ramble.................

My memories of Cornwall were the colours seemed brighter and sharper than anywhere I'd seen before or since (and it wasn't the beer goggle effect) so, to my mind, you are capturing the essence of that place which borders England, Martin. Keep up the great work ;D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 21, 2018, 07:07:10 AM
Excellent  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 22, 2018, 05:21:20 PM
Iíve been fiddling around with the vegetable garden at the rear of the small goods yard

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-220618171702.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66777)
Iíve added the you g chap doing a bit of tidying whilst his father looks on. Iíve also added a little bench with the young ladís girlfriend chatting with her friend.
The grey hose is a trial but I donít think it really looks good and is too thick but I think that the wheelbarrow looks ok.
Sorry that the loading gauge rather dominates the photograph.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on June 22, 2018, 05:25:34 PM
Looking good and very effective, although I have to agree with your comments about the hose. Is the car an old Humber?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 22, 2018, 05:27:15 PM
Looking good and very effective, although I have to agree with your comments about the hose. Is the car an old Humber?
Good question. I know not.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on June 22, 2018, 06:08:03 PM
 :wave:

All looks really good Martin, and I am loving how you are adding the little people. Not just here, but round the creamery and houses.  :D  :thumbsup:  :D

If you don't mind, I would like to add a lady chatting over the fence (wall in my case) to someone working the allotments. The wheelbarrow looks fab, and is positioned spot on, but if you don't mind me saying, perhaps move the girl chatting over the fence closer to her friend on the bench, so she doesn't have to shout. (as who knows who might hear the gossip they are sharing  ;) )

Re the hose, I did see somewhere someone using thin solder for hoses at a filling station. Easy to coil and shape, and takes paint easily.

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Fardap on June 22, 2018, 07:50:28 PM
Quote
Re the hose, I did see somewhere someone using thin solder for hoses at a filling station. Easy to coil and shape, and takes paint easily.

Was going to say the same!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 22, 2018, 08:04:43 PM
Thanks for the comments everyone.
Iíve removed the hose and will rethink that one.
And Iíve moved the young woman on the pavement a little closer to her froend so that they can gossip happily.
Plus, Iíve added another onlooker casting a critical gaze over the garden and Iíve given the gardeners a compost bin.
Taking a leaf from Kevinís book, the people are just tacky waxed in position for now so that I can alter them slightly if need be.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-220618200341.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66779)
I think I must have moved the phone a little as the photo is just a bit blurred. However, you can get the idea I think.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Caz on June 22, 2018, 08:06:31 PM
This just gets better and better, love all the little details.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on June 22, 2018, 08:40:09 PM
Looking good and very effective, although I have to agree with your comments about the hose. Is the car an old Humber?

Good spot, David. I reckon it might be a Humber Imperial :hmmm:
https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/humber-imperial/ (https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/humber-imperial/)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on June 22, 2018, 08:52:27 PM
An allotment with a great atmosphere and no manure in sight! :D  What are the large brown things, award winning melons?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on June 22, 2018, 08:54:07 PM
An allotment with a great atmosphere and no manure in sight! :D  What are the large brown things, award winning melons?

Pumpkins, surely :hmmm:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 22, 2018, 08:58:22 PM
An allotment with a great atmosphere and no manure in sight! :D  What are the large brown things, award winning melons?

Pumpkins, surely :hmmm:
Indeed pumpkins they are.
Well, corriander seeds painted orange actually!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 22, 2018, 09:20:42 PM
Looking good and very effective, although I have to agree with your comments about the hose. Is the car an old Humber?

Seconded; both remarks. How about a thick piece of cotton thread painted semi-gloss black? That would be more like a 2MM scale hosepipe, I think.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on June 22, 2018, 09:22:44 PM
This just gets better and better, love all the little details.  :thumbsup:

Seconded!
Looking good and very effective, although I have to agree with your comments about the hose. Is the car an old Humber?

Good spot, David. I reckon it might be a Humber Imperial :hmmm:
https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/humber-imperial/ (https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/humber-imperial/)

Or a Super Snipe?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on June 22, 2018, 10:14:34 PM
This just gets better and better, love all the little details.  :thumbsup:

Seconded!
Looking good and very effective, although I have to agree with your comments about the hose. Is the car an old Humber?

Good spot, David. I reckon it might be a Humber Imperial :hmmm:
https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/humber-imperial/ (https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/humber-imperial/)


Or a Super Snipe?

Could be...........
https://www.hagertyinsurance.co.uk/price-guide/1953-Humber-Super_Snipe (https://www.hagertyinsurance.co.uk/price-guide/1953-Humber-Super_Snipe)

Definitely a Humber anyways.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on June 23, 2018, 06:07:16 AM
Hi Martin,

Love the pics and the pumpkins, great idea.

I wouldn't bother with the hose. Being a gardener for a living it would just be in the way to trip over and if it was on it would just make everything a muddy mess for the young lad working, his dad would trail mud onto the path, the lad's girlfriend would get wet potentially accidentally on purpose and chaos ensues. Sorry, just trying to be prototypical  :D

Love the detail, great stuff.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 24, 2018, 12:06:56 AM
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign: Just loving those small details Martin, all looking superb
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 26, 2018, 05:17:18 PM
just a little work on Tregonning in this hot weather.
Iíve been working on the short road leading down past the pub to the creamery gates.
It was a bit dull and uninteresting so Iíve added a seat and a little front garden (and railings) for the house next door to the pub.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-260618171132.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66991)
Old Mrs Baggs has run out of puff and is taking a breather on the pub bench. Mrs Thomas has stopped for a bit of gossip.
I think the old barrell with the bush growing in it works ok. What about the lad at the house door ?  Obviously his bicycle needs a touch up!
I think a couple more little folk will help. Maybe someone posting a letter and someone about to enter the phone box.
Iíve left the whild card fold on the pub corner as I thought it looked ok but maybe it does need to be greened up.
Chris, you probably recognise the lorry?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on June 26, 2018, 08:01:25 PM
I ca\n't thank you for this becuse Thank You is locked  ???
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on June 26, 2018, 08:05:39 PM
I ca\n't thank you for this becuse Thank You is locked  ???
Not sure why as I can thank you for thinking of thanking me   :D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on June 26, 2018, 08:06:33 PM
The Thank You button is available to me  ???
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on June 26, 2018, 08:10:32 PM
I ca\n't thank you for this becuse Thank You is locked  ???
Not sure why as I can thank you for thinking of thanking me   :D
It's just that one post that is locked.  Everythig else works OK.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 27, 2018, 10:44:15 PM
 :hellosign:  Many thanks Martin (the thank you button is ok for me too), that is an absolutely wonderful scene, looks so right   :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on June 28, 2018, 06:44:02 AM
I ca\n't thank you for this becuse Thank You is locked  ???
Not sure why as I can thank you for thinking of thanking me   :D
It's just that one post that is locked.  Everythig else works OK.
It's working again  :)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 28, 2018, 06:52:27 AM
 :thankyousign: Excellent Martin. The white corner on the pub looks good to me.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 28, 2018, 08:09:24 AM
Thank you, Martin, for this really excellent photo. of a lovely scene full of detail and interest. Yes, the lorry is one of a pair of handpainted "Castle Estates" one. (Mine can be seen with a timber load -- which yours must have delivered by now -- next to the loading area in Cant Cove goods yard.)

You just need to add some 2mm Scale cats and dogs on the layout to add to all the people.

The visiting Perthshire railway preservationists have chartered a GWS ex-BR WR 14xx plus BR / Hawksworth autocoach to take them from Cant Cove to Tregonning for a trip around the creamery then a pub lunch, followed by a local tour in a luxury "Seagull" motor coach before returning in the autotrain. Cant Cove's photographer and his assistant will take photos. of their arrivals and departure, there.

The "Castle Dairies" (part of the "Castle Estates") have ordered some pale blue liveried milk tankers as they want to send some of their milk to Tregonning Creamery, in future, for making Cornish clotted cream. 8-)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Milton Rail on June 29, 2018, 07:21:11 PM
Fantastic photo's Martin, loving the detail you are adding, between you and Phoenix, these box layouts are a treat!

Is Mrs Baggs first name Poly by any chance?  :)

The visitors from Perthshire were raving about their visit and pub lunch, topped off perfectly by the mode of transport, most of them had not experienced a 14xx before, even the strong GWR group that the PRPS boasts
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 30, 2018, 02:04:05 PM
The visitors from the Perthshire RPS are aboard their chartered BR WR 14xx plus BR / Hawksworth autocoach and ready to depart from Cant Cove for Tregonning.

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/2018-06-30%2011.36.11_zps94ltbpze.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/2018-06-30%2011.36.11_zps94ltbpze.jpg.html)

[The coloured wires connected to the DCC chip need to be painted matt black. The buffers have yet to be painted silver so will match Martin's models.]
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 01, 2018, 02:34:27 PM
Thank you for the picture Chris.
Hopefully pictures will emerge of the visit later
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 01, 2018, 06:11:15 PM
Thank you for the picture Chris.
Hopefully pictures will emerge of the visit later

Thanks, Martin, looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 01, 2018, 08:08:49 PM
The visitors from the Perthshire RPS have arrived at Tregonning creamery.
The train will shortly work forward then reverse  into the creamery sidings.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-010718200538.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67121)
A few minutes later the little 14xx tank has gingerly propelled the autocoach into the reception siding from where the visitors can alight onto the loading dock to begin their tour.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-010718200754.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67122)
The MD of the creamery has arrived in his rather smart sporty model car to personally guide the visitors on their tour.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 01, 2018, 08:14:35 PM
Excellent, Martin. Two fine photos. with your excellent creamery.

The vintage white car is a nice addition.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on July 02, 2018, 07:56:29 AM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-010718200754.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67122[/url])
The MD of the creamery has arrived in his rather smart sporty model car to personally guide the visitors on their tour.


Is the car being topped up with cream using the red pipe? :no:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 02, 2018, 08:23:16 AM
Of course. Thatís why the car is cream!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 02, 2018, 05:30:40 PM
Now then.....about this AA box?
Iíve been fiddling about with it for a while now.
I think the position is ok (it does need something there  I think).
Nothing is glued down yet hence  the small gap underneath the box which Iíll fill in.
Iíve added an AA man of sorts taking a break sitting on the fence, i think Iíll give him a newspaper to read.
I note that I need to vacuum up some loose static grass sticking to the rock at the roadside.
Does it look ok? Iíve included a wider view showing the box at normal viewing size (with Tregonning House in the background)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-020718172830.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67153)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-020718172902.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67154)
What about the chap with his gun and dog? Does he look ok?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on July 02, 2018, 05:45:04 PM
Looks fine to me. And, not sure if I have mentioned this before, the Gorse bushes look very realistic.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 02, 2018, 05:54:02 PM
Hi Martin,

The first thing I'd do is to change the AA logo on the box to the earlier one:

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2668267 (http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2668267)

You'll have to resize the logo, of course, and print it in colour on gloss (photographic) paper. (You could add it to the sidecar, too.)

Then add a shaped 'concrete' base, painted mid-grey under the 'phone box to keep it level. Maybe with some grass around the base?

You might want to repaint the actual phone box:
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-old-fashioned-aa-phone-box-brancaster-staithe-north-norfolk-england-8328139.html (https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-old-fashioned-aa-phone-box-brancaster-staithe-north-norfolk-england-8328139.html)

The AA man looks, fine. (I believe I have the same metal kit, somewhere.)

The hunter and his gun dog also look fine. Are they from Tregonning House?

The 14xx plus BR / Hawksworth autocoach are booked to return to Cant Cove with a tail load of a BR 12-TON INSULATED BOX VAN PLANKED SIDES WHITE 'Not To Be Used For Fish Traffic' [I'll ask Brian to make a transfer] full of Cornish Clotted Cream in churns. I hope that the train will not have any / too many reversals en route?

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on July 02, 2018, 06:00:32 PM
Hi Martin  :wave:

Doesn't that static grass get everywhere... I seem to spend more time hoovering it up than laying it, then when all looks neat, a photo shows it up  :doh:

I must admit I am not sure about the AA box on a bend on a rather steep looking hill, but I love the figure resting on the fence. That looks so right  :thumbsup:

As it is a hill, perhaps you could have a couple of cyclists who are a bit worn out, leaning their bikes on the fence and resting like the AA man. Maybe having one stroking one of the cows who has wandered over to see them.

Another idea, perhaps too much though, is having a car crashed into the fence, with a flashing light police car and copper in attendance.

Love the hunter and his dog.  :D  The first time I had pheasant it was shot (poached  :-[ ) by a friend of mine on our local MP's estate !

All best wishes
Kevin
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 02, 2018, 07:06:00 PM
Thanks Danny
Thanks Chris. Yes, I had thought about the AA logo and yes, maybe Iíll add it to the side ar as well.
The hunter could well be from Tregonning House.
And Thank you Kevin.  I value your input tremendously so Iíll think about the AA box. Iíve taken a leaf from your book by loosely placing things (I use tacky wax) for a few days before permanently fixing them down and finishing things off. I can then live with it for a while and make up my mind.
Sorry, but I I donít want to go down the crashed car route!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 02, 2018, 07:26:06 PM
It's such an excellent layout that having the correct AA logo is well worth the trouble, I think, Martin.

I also agree that it would be too much to have a car crashed into the fence, with a flashing light police car and copper in attendance.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on July 02, 2018, 07:28:34 PM
Positioning of AA box, AA man/sidecar and hunter look fine to me, Martin, but I agree with CiP about the logo
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on July 03, 2018, 09:12:00 AM
Thank you for these splendid photographs, Martin.

I agree with Chris about the AA box and the older logo.  I can't recall when the logo changed, probably earlier than I think - maybe about 1967.

With regard to the gentleman and his gun, if you wish to be really accurate (or is it simply my pedantry reaching new levels of annoyance?) I think the gun ought to be broken.  Within the context of your lovely modelled scene, it's likely to be a shotgun.  The chap looks like he is 'on the move' and there are members of the public around, both overwhelming reasons for having the gun broken.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 03, 2018, 05:34:41 PM
Thanks John.
The AA box was purchased some time back already painted and with the newer logo. Indeed, I think the box should ideally have more black paint to be correct for my chosen period (plus the old logo of course). I shall attend to that in due course.
And, Iíll see what I can do about ďbreakingĒ the gun.
Thank you for your enlightening input.
Martin
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 04, 2018, 09:49:10 AM
I think the AA phone box will look much better in gloss black with gloss yellow trim (newly repainted ready for the summer) and correct AA logos and look forward to seeing it, in due course. (The new-look square AA logo was launched in 1966.)

By the early 1960s, no more traditional AA boxes were being built. In their heyday, there were almost 1,000.

The first 4-wheeled vehicles used by AA patrols were Land Rovers, deployed in London in 1949. These were extremely useful and soon employed in other parts of the country, especially in rough terrain such as the Scottish Highlands. I think an AA Landrover would also be very appropriate for North and West Cornwall. In 1961, Mini vans started to replace motorcycles.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on July 04, 2018, 12:26:11 PM
Hi Martin,

Sankey Scenics have AA signs on their "Pub Signs" set

http://www.sankeyscenics.co.uk/2mm-n-british-railways-page-3/4588088761 (http://www.sankeyscenics.co.uk/2mm-n-british-railways-page-3/4588088761)

I have already used mine on the pub for Windmill Hill, otherwise I would have sent them to you.

All best Wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 04, 2018, 12:55:08 PM
Hi Martin,

Sankey Scenics have AA signs on their "Pub Signs" set

[url]http://www.sankeyscenics.co.uk/2mm-n-british-railways-page-3/4588088761[/url] ([url]http://www.sankeyscenics.co.uk/2mm-n-british-railways-page-3/4588088761[/url])

I have already used mine on the pub for Windmill Hill, otherwise I would have sent them to you.

All best Wishes
Kevin

 :beers:


There are some excellent signs, there, Keith. I think I will order some bespoke ATLANTIC COAST EXPRESS, PENMAYNE and TREPOL BAY coach destination boards in BR SR Green.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 04, 2018, 07:52:31 PM
Thanks for that Kevin. Iíll have a go at downloading an old style AA box sign from the internet first to see how that looks.
Maybe the whole AA box just looks wrong - Iíll think about it - no need to rush the decision. As you say, maybe a couple of bikes with the cyclists having a rest sitting on the fence might be better. Hmmmmm.
Iíve been adding ďclutterĒ and little folk to the goods yard this evening. Itís going ok but sometimes I lack a little inspiration. I think thatís the time to walk away for the day and have a fresh look tomorrow.
So.....thatís just what Iíve done.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Milton Rail on July 05, 2018, 06:41:57 AM
Nice addition of the AA box, look forward to seeing you tweak & improve it.  The Perthshire contingent had a delightful tour of the creamery, their host leading a jovial & inuendo strewn affair, one of the PRPS was heard to say (in a very complimentary way) that it was like a living in the song "Gather in the Mushrooms"!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 05, 2018, 09:43:08 AM
I would keep the AA box, Martin, but would repaint it gloss black. If you have some lining tape, cheaply available on eBay, the gloss yellow lining on the edges will not be difficult, then add downloaded correct AA logos. I would move it downhill near the road junction but inset so that it does not block road user's sightlines.

A pair of cyclists pausing for breath half-way up the hill could replace the AA box in its present location.

I agree that 'breaking' the hunter's shotgun is an excellent idea but you'll need a magnifying glass, tweezers and a tiny dab of super glue. I'd do the work over a shoebox lid to ensure that the tiny piece does not get lost!

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 05, 2018, 09:44:56 AM
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/benny+hill/gather+in+the+mushrooms_21002312.html (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/benny+hill/gather+in+the+mushrooms_21002312.html)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 05, 2018, 10:22:21 AM
No doubt the gifting of some bottles of finest "Tullibardine" single-malt whisky to the Creamery management went down well and the donation of more bottles to the landlord of the nearby pub (who placed them under the counter) where lunch was served to the guests and their hosts, after the creamery visit, encouraged some lively community singing! Fortunately, for all, the local bobby had been called elsewhere to investigate the disappearance of a prize boar from a leading pig farm where the animals roam free.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on July 05, 2018, 01:32:23 PM
Sounds like a fabulous afternoon  :D

Although not a leading pig farm, the pigs at Windmill Hill (Bacon Buttie, and Apple Sauce) roam free

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5755-070218233047-61674409.jpeg)

Do you think I need to get in extra security  ???

All best wishes
kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: AlexanderJesse on July 05, 2018, 02:34:18 PM
Well, regarding security....

the fallen apples won't be a problem.
But... the pumpkins, are they literally pig-food or should they end up in some pumpkin pie?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 05, 2018, 03:55:27 PM
Chris, Are you setting up a stoty line with the local bobby and reference to prize pigs ?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 05, 2018, 06:33:59 PM
Iíve added these two characters on the pavement today.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-050718182917.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67238)
George Appleton has just left the pub after his daily lunchtime session and, as is usual, is a little unsteady on his feet. Luckily the hedge outside number 4 acts as a useful support.
Mrs Ennis is full of village gossip and is determined to share it all with George who would much rather get home for his afternoon nap.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 06, 2018, 11:04:00 AM
Chris, Are you setting up a stoty line with the local bobby and reference to prize pigs ?

Yes, well spotted, Martin. 8-) It's been far too long since you began one of your stories about local characters. (I plan to finish one of my previous stories, soon, and add a very short one about Enka Lou-Lou, Susan, and the "Chelsea Girls" and the "Fruities" as a lead-in to the big summer festival in the grounds of Trevelver Castle!)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 06, 2018, 11:04:33 AM
Iíve added these two characters on the pavement today.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-050718182917.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67238[/url])
George Appleton has just left the pub after his daily lunchtime session and, as is usual, is a little unsteady on his feet. Luckily the hedge outside number 4 acts as a useful support.
Mrs Ennis is full of village gossip and is determined to share it all with George who would much rather get home for his afternoon nap.


Excellent, Martin.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 06, 2018, 11:05:31 AM
Sounds like a fabulous afternoon  :D

Although not a leading pig farm, the pigs at Windmill Hill (Bacon Buttie, and Apple Sauce) roam free

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5755-070218233047-61674409.jpeg[/url])

Do you think I need to get in extra security  ???

All best wishes
kevin

 :beers:


A secure fence and a patrolling guard dog might be necessary.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 08, 2018, 11:49:11 PM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign:  Many thanks for all the latest updates Martin, looking forward to seeing your decisions for the AA box
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 09, 2018, 04:49:11 PM
Chris, Are you setting up a stoty line with the local bobby and reference to prize pigs ?

Yes, well spotted, Martin. 8-) It's been far too long since you began one of your stories about local characters. (I plan to finish one of my previous stories, soon, and add a very short one about Enka Lou-Lou, Susan, and the "Chelsea Girls" and the "Fruities" as a lead-in to the big summer festival in the grounds of Trevelver Castle!)
I may well start a mini drama about an ďincidentĒ at Tregonning shortly but not of the epic proportions of the one I wrote at Christmas.
Iíd already been mulling it over so maybe I wonít be including pig rustlers in mylittle tale this time.
Watch this, or another, space.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 09, 2018, 08:14:41 PM
For those interested, a short yarn begins here
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41885.msg517140#msg517140 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41885.msg517140#msg517140)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 12, 2018, 06:25:56 PM
Iíve added iron gates to the park entrance this evening.
Not the finished article yet - just propped up at the moment but it needed something there as it was just an empty space before. Iíve been mulling over how to do it for ages.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-120718182249.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67397)
I need to make the hedge to the right of the gates just a bit higher and paint the very top of the gates a bit tidier I think.
And the eagle eyed will notice that there is something lurking which I promised to re-model some weeks ago and which I must get around to replacing.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 12, 2018, 06:41:03 PM
Looks good, Martin. I agree with all your comments and, yes, the bus stop sign could be made slimmer.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on July 12, 2018, 06:43:32 PM
What makes your modelling so good is the fact that it looks very realistic.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 12, 2018, 10:31:38 PM
 :hellosign: Superb photo Martin, looks so right
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 13, 2018, 06:01:18 PM
My apologies, Dave. The tip was yours.

Is your applicator a Peco one, Martin, or a Chinese import via eBay, please?
The applcator (and grasses) are from WWS as recommended by Kevin (Phoenix). I think that WWS actually supply Peco.
I bought it as a kit including grass samples, glue and layering spray.
Excellent service plus their website contains some very helpful videos.

I'm about to order my static grass applicator plus grasses and need advice, please. Unfortunately, the special glues cannot be posted from the U.K. I'm wondering if dilute PVA glue will work (it works for scatter.) I'm also thinking that 1mm and 2mm long grass will be kept long enough in 2mm scale. Should I order packs in 30g or 100g? Spring, Summer, and dead grass would seem to be enough for early summer. I understand I need an applicator: the Peco / WWS Pro Static Grass Precision Applicator seems to be fine for the relatively small areas on the layout. Do I need a 'puffer' bottle, too? I may be able to buy something suitable in a local plastic hardware shop, in Prague? I'm looking at about GBP100 already! I'm only thinking of using static grass along the front side of the layout as scatter looks fine further back.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 13, 2018, 08:38:50 PM
A busy day for me.
First thing we did some food shopping then I did a couple of hours consultancy work for a friend before I had an hour or so working on Tregonning. Then we took a stroll through the fields to a local pub that is holding a small beer and cider festival this weekend.
Anyway, I added some clutter to both the small goods yard and the general storage yard near to Tregonning station.
The 45xx tank is awaiting the road which sheíll get as soon as the 14xx on the daily milk has passed through.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-130718203733.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67422)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: rogerdB on July 13, 2018, 08:54:03 PM
My apologies, Dave. The tip was yours.

Is your applicator a Peco one, Martin, or a Chinese import via eBay, please?
The applcator (and grasses) are from WWS as recommended by Kevin (Phoenix). I think that WWS actually supply Peco.
I bought it as a kit including grass samples, glue and layering spray.
Excellent service plus their website contains some very helpful videos.

I'm about to order my static grass applicator plus grasses and need advice, please. Unfortunately, the special glues cannot be posted from the U.K. I'm wondering if dilute PVA glue will work (it works for scatter.) I'm also thinking that 1mm and 2mm long grass will be kept long enough in 2mm scale. Should I order packs in 30g or 100g? Spring, Summer, and dead grass would seem to be enough for early summer. I understand I need an applicator: the Peco / WWS Pro Static Grass Precision Applicator seems to be fine for the relatively small areas on the layout. Do I need a 'puffer' bottle, too? I may be able to buy something suitable in a local plastic hardware shop, in Prague? I'm looking at about GBP100 already! I'm only thinking of using static grass along the front side of the layout as scatter looks fine further back.

I've used WWS and they do provide a good service. I should think PVA will work. I've always applied more than one layer of grass, using WWS's layering spray to fix the second and subsequent layers. I guess you can't get that so perhaps dilute PVA in a small spray bottle will do the trick. The 100g packs will do a large area. I bought summer in that size and have only used a little! All the others I bought in 20g and 30g packs, though I have used up some of them. I would get some 4mm as well as the shorter ones, choosing the warmer colours - they can suggest weeds growing through the grass. Use them in small patches and they stand out nicely. I've not had much success with the puffer bottle and have only used it in tight corners, where I wanted to suggest weeds growing against a wall, for example.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 13, 2018, 09:27:39 PM
Many thanks, Roger. Which additional colours did you use, please? Fortunately, I've yet to send off my order to Hattons. (I'll be mainly using Peco products which, I think, are the same. Hattons postage costs to here, are very reasonable.)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: rogerdB on July 13, 2018, 11:07:58 PM
Many thanks, Roger. Which additional colours did you use, please? Fortunately, I've yet to send off my order to Hattons. (I'll be mainly using Peco products which, I think, are the same. Hattons postage costs to here, are very reasonable.)

Chris - I bought not really knowing which colours I'd want. I did get some spring mix but used very little. Summer mix, autumn mix and patchy were the main ones all of which I got in 1, 2 and 4mm. I also got dead grass and straw in 4mm, just for small touches. I further mixed colours for some areas - summer plus autumn, for example. Some of the garden lawns are neat summer suggesting well watered and cut grass. The village green has some slight variation of colour. The wilder areas use more autumn and patchy in the mix. I tried to use warmer colours just round the edge of some areas - where the church yard grass meets the path was one such.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 14, 2018, 07:55:27 AM
Many thanks, Roger. I'm aiming for the look of early Summer on a (semi-mythical) clear blue skies, bright sunny day, so had, prviously, rejected autumn. I think Wrenton is more late summer / early autumn, as is Tregonning? I have already mixed scatters to good effect and intend applying static grass over the scatter along the front of the layout as this is where it is most visible. I will order a mix of 1, 2, and 4mm long grasses and, mainly, use spring, summer (30g packs) but with some autumn and dead (in the smallest packets I can buy).
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: rogerdB on July 14, 2018, 10:54:58 AM
Many thanks, Roger. I'm aiming for the look of early Summer on a (semi-mythical) clear blue skies, bright sunny day, so had, prviously, rejected autumn. I think Wrenton is more late summer / early autumn, as is Tregonning? I have already mixed scatters to good effect and intend applying static grass over the scatter along the front of the layout as this is where it is most visible. I will order a mix of 1, 2, and 4mm long grasses and, mainly, use spring, summer (30g packs) but with some autumn and dead (in the smallest packets I can buy).

Most of the villagers are getting ready for the best kept garden competition, so you're correct, late summer is about right for Wrenton. And your choice of colours sounds right for early summer. Or just dead grass for the summer we're getting here!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 15, 2018, 12:00:01 PM
Up with the lark here. We did two hours work at the allotment by 10.15. Picked everything for our evening meal, potatoes, runner/broad/french beans, a few carrots and some purple kale plus gooseberries for a crumble.
On returning, I thought Iíd run a dmu around Tregonning. . Track needs a good clean but it isnít too bad I think.
I am at the stage where I donít want to overdo it but still need some tidying up (especially where chimney pots are concerned). I also need a few more small trees and vegetation around the edges.
https://youtu.be/JBxd-wfXX84
Anyway, hope it doesnít look too messy.
Sorry about the rather abrupt end. I accidentally knelt on the power seitch on the floor and switched everything off a bit too early and didnít want to redo the video.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on July 15, 2018, 12:08:56 PM
Did you not pick a lamb to go with the potatoes etc.?  ;D The layout is looking really good and I do think that there is very little needed now.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on July 15, 2018, 12:13:18 PM
Hi Martin,

Always great inspiration. Must do more on mine, I'm getting slower and slower.

Hope you've caught, killed and plucked a chicken to go with that lot too. You'll be competing with Laurence as to who can shame me more in the laziness of my life department soon.

Great stuff as usual.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on July 15, 2018, 12:15:13 PM
Too much delay from me Dannyboy,

Pigs anyone?

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 15, 2018, 12:23:36 PM
Iím afraid we donít have a smallholding.
Itís pork from Morrisonís.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 15, 2018, 12:32:36 PM
Thanks for the video, Martin. That DMU very nearly touches the rock faces on the curves but, of course, does not. Very well done.

The 'compound' at the end of the station platform does look very crowded and difficult to access in the photo. Similarly, the area in front of the goods shed looks a bit 'too busy'. Definitely a case, I think, of 'less is more'?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 15, 2018, 02:35:18 PM
 :hellosign: Looking good Martin, so much detail to see well done
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on July 15, 2018, 08:45:56 PM
A great video.  I think you've made a very good case for small layouts. :doh:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 16, 2018, 07:15:54 AM
Very good Martin, top modelling.

Looking forward to seeing the start of the next layout.... :D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on July 16, 2018, 08:59:16 AM
A great video.  I think you've made a very good case for small layouts. :doh:
:laughabovepost:  Yes, Tregonning and Windmill Hill have, for me, redefined the possibilities for small layouts.

Very good Martin, top modelling.
Seconded!  The film was fascinating as it shows how the whole delightful scene fits together.  The creamery was an inspired idea as the size of the buildings allows the trains to disappear off-stage without the more usual tunnel.

The plastic finish to the top of the backscene is very tidy.

Finally; 'TCL' - 'Tregonning Creamery Limited'?

Many thanks.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 16, 2018, 10:06:05 AM
 :thankyousign:thank you for the comments everyone.
Chris,
Iíll maybe visit the compound area and have a think about it.
John
Yes, I did indeed position the creamery deliberately to shield trains thereby acting as a scenic break.
And yes, well spotted. TCL it should be. I had noticed the mistake before but I have absolutely no idea how I got as far as typing it, resizing it, printing it, cutting it out and sticking it in place without realising the mistake. I do need to correct it though  :doh:
Yes, the plastic too to the backscene was inspired by Kevin. Itíll look better when Iíve tidied the corners properly.

Martin
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 16, 2018, 10:43:16 AM
Thank you, Martin. I would consider removing most of the items in the compound which would not be of use to trackworkers and just leaving piles of sleepers and oil drums; maybe, some blast piles, a wheelbarrow, spades). Then, in my opinion, it would not be so crowded and look more realistic. (I can't see items of commercial value for customers being stored at such a location. Similarly, items next to the goods shed and by the railway line would not be stored there but in the goods shed or on the loading bay for collection.)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 20, 2018, 05:31:36 PM
Iíve been up country for a day or so and passing Cranmore I popped into East Somerset Models whete I purchased a pair of cyclists(Langley Models).
This has spurred me on to repaint my AA box into early 1960s livery.
Iíve also printed the old style logo for fitting to the box (if I can see it).
The cyclists will make up a scene as suggested by Kevin (Phoenix).
Watch this space.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 20, 2018, 07:17:48 PM
That's excellent news, Martin. I look forward to seeing them all in place.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 20, 2018, 07:58:07 PM
So.... not finished. I need to touch up the AA box but wanted to put things in place to see what it looks like.
Everything is just tacky waxed into place at the moment.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-200718195648.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67601)
I think this looks better. The cyclist is taking a well earned break have pedalled up the hill.
A bit of tinkering needed but seems ok to me.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 20, 2018, 08:26:51 PM
Looks very good, already, Martin. Repainting the AA box and adding the period logos really makes a difference.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on July 20, 2018, 08:56:35 PM
Yes, the AA box really looks the part now.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on July 20, 2018, 09:23:13 PM
Yes, the AA box really looks the part now.  :thumbsup:

Seconded.  A lovely little scene.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on July 20, 2018, 09:32:31 PM
Me too. The dark colour blends in better with its surroundings.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 21, 2018, 04:42:43 PM
Another busy day here. First off picked veg for this evening along with gooseberries for a crumble. I have scratched arms to prove it.
We then went to Camborne Agricultural show.
This afternoon, Iíve been doing a bit more work on Tregonning.
The school bus has just disgorged the local shoolchildren and Tom is cycling past the park entrance.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-210718164053.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67633)
I need to ďsortĒ those tree roots and yet again have omitted to replace the bus stop post!
Iíve also been working on the AA box scene (waiting for glue to dry there) and finishing off the gates for the row of houses.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 21, 2018, 08:33:31 PM
Iíve added the rather large tree to the garden of the pub.
It rather dominates but I think it works ok and adds a bit of height to what was a rather open area.
What do others think? The ivy will move over a bit to cover more of the side wall once Iím happy with the tree.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-210718203100.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67644)
Itís funny that photos reveal forgotten little things such as the lintel over the opening where the orange car is parked. I removed it because it looked wrong and have not replaced it yet.
Iím also wondering about another (small) Railway Inn sign on the end wall of the pub?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on July 21, 2018, 08:46:58 PM
I vote for another pub sign on the end wall, half covered in ivy.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on July 21, 2018, 09:05:59 PM
Thank you for these excellent photographs, Martin.

The tree looks good - most trees on model railways are too short!

I think that the publican would certainly have a sign on the gable wall.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 21, 2018, 09:25:17 PM
Thank you for these excellent photographs, Martin.

The tree looks good - most trees on model railways are too short!

I think that the publican would certainly have a sign on the gable wall.

Seconded!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on July 21, 2018, 09:49:29 PM
I think a beer ad would be better. Shades of "What we want is Watneys", complete with wall and nose!
My experience of agricultural shows was staggering around from one beer tent to another. :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 22, 2018, 07:30:07 AM
How about the right-hand "Haig" ad.?

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/mb5747-upper-front-ads-haig-in-every-home-black-red-white-1950-80s_zpsk943kz2g.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/mb5747-upper-front-ads-haig-in-every-home-black-red-white-1950-80s_zpsk943kz2g.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Bealman on July 22, 2018, 07:36:46 AM
I think a beer ad would be better. Shades of "What we want is Watneys", complete with wall and nose!
My experience of agricultural shows was staggering around from one beer tent to another. :beers:

My father used to do that at Durham County show. Me being a kid, I got to sit on the tractors in the meantime.  ;D

Regarding the tree in the pub garden, trees are big things. It looks fine.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 24, 2018, 05:47:31 PM
So....Tregonning is almost complete apart from a few bits of tidying up.  Itís very eady to keep adding bits and pieces so at some point I have to say enough is enough.
This afternoon, I lifted the board out of its case to check the wiring beneath and to clean the track. It is much easier to clean the track with the baseboard outside of the case.
Once everything was back together, I had to do just a little bit of tree felling and branch pruning in order that trains donít get stuck.
Next job is to fix two or three items that I forgot to glue down then itís fix a few minor blemishes which Iíve noticed.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on July 24, 2018, 06:53:02 PM
So....Tregonning is almost complete apart from a few bits of tidying up.  Itís very eady to keep adding bits and pieces so at some point I have to say enough is enough.

Tregonning is absolutely excellent and has been a case study in how to build a layout and see it through to completion.

What's your next plan, Martin?

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 24, 2018, 07:23:56 PM
So....Tregonning is almost complete apart from a few bits of tidying up.  Itís very eady to keep adding bits and pieces so at some point I have to say enough is enough.

Tregonning is absolutely excellent and has been a case study in how to build a layout and see it through to completion.

What's your next plan, Martin?

Best wishes.

John
Thanks John. Iíve enjoyed constructing Tregonning. Just a bit to do now.iím intending to put some info and a location map into the lid plus Iíve got a bit of tidying to do.
I then have it booked into two local exhibitions in August and November so  I have that to look forward to. Iíve been used to taking 2-3 hours to set up on a Friday night with Trepol Bay or Port Perran ready for a 2 day show. With Tregonning, I can rock up half an hour before start time on the Saturday, lay the case on the table, open the lid, plug in, put a train on the track and press Go! Simple. Ha Ha.
In the meantime, Iím taking a rest from layout building except some tidying up on Trepol Bay which has been a little bit neglected for a few months.
In addition a group of 4 or so of us are building an interpretation of Bodmin Road station at our model railway club. We only meet once a week so progress is a little slow.
I also have two small baseboards stashed away at  the Club and am considering, perhaps a mid Autumn start on a new layout based on one or both.
Iíve always rather fancied a shed scene so may think about that. Perhaps a Truro sized shed but serving both WR and SR locos. Weíll see.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 25, 2018, 02:25:04 PM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-250718142458.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67679)
Ha....I forgot to add the text but as  others have easily realised, this is the finished side of the pub.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on July 25, 2018, 02:28:26 PM
That pub gable end makes an excellent model layout look even better! As Pa Larkin would say, "Perfick".  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on July 25, 2018, 03:02:25 PM
+1 to that :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on July 25, 2018, 08:47:35 PM
+1 to that :thumbsup:

+two to that too.  If you would kindly excuse me for a couple of hours, I'll ask Mariette Larkin what she thinks of it.  I expect she will agree with Pop.  Most people do.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Leon on July 25, 2018, 09:55:12 PM
Iíve added the rather large tree to the garden of the pub.

Martin, I think the tree is perfect. In my estimation, trees are the most important scenery in a layout. I'm partial, though. I've always loved trees and have bought paintings of many over the years. It takes a very good artist to paint a tree really well.

Leon
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Leon on July 25, 2018, 09:57:14 PM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-250718142458.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67679[/url])
Ha....I forgot to add the text but as  others have easily realised, this is the finished side of the pub.


I didn't respond to your question about the pub sign because I liked the plain wall. However, I think the real pub would have had that sign. It looks great!

Leon
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 26, 2018, 07:10:42 AM
Hi Martin, as always great modelling and picture. I like the addition of the sign on the gable end.  :thumbsup:

A couple of minor points: is one of the chimney pots on the pub upside down ?  :hmmm:
I see the join in the road, I have several of these and canít decide whether to leave them as they are or attempt some form of cunning change to disguise them. I would be very interested in hearing your expert opinion.  :dunce:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 26, 2018, 08:47:17 AM
Hi Martin, as always great modelling and picture. I like the addition of the sign on the gable end.  :thumbsup:

A couple of minor points: is one of the chimney pots on the pub upside down ?  :hmmm:
I see the join in the road, I have several of these and canít decide whether to leave them as they are or attempt some form of cunning change to disguise them. I would be very interested in hearing your expert opinion.  :dunce:
Hi Keith
Thank you.
Yes, the chimney pots all need attention. In my clumsiness, I often knock them off in performing other tasks. They then get quickly balanced back on the stacks. One of my last jobs will be to sort them all.
As for the road, yes. I forgot to smooth the joins over with a bit of grout before painting. A schoolboy error. I will get around to sorting that in due course.
Itís one of the little fiddly jobs that I always put off till another day.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 26, 2018, 08:49:02 AM
Iíve added the rather large tree to the garden of the pub.

Martin, I think the tree is perfect. In my estimation, trees are the most important scenery in a layout. I'm partial, though. I've always loved trees and have bought paintings of many over the years. It takes a very good artist to paint a tree really well.

Leon
Leon.
I think tree selection and placement is vital. Iím not happy with one or two of the trees in the background on Tregonning so may make a couple of slight alterations there.
Iím glad you like the one in the pub garden though.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 27, 2018, 07:24:05 PM
Hereís Tregonning in its case - virtually complete.
I purchased the mounting board today which I shall cut nicely to fit inside the lid. I intend to add a short history of the line and a brief description as to how and why I built it together with a map of Cornwallís (amended) railway system on sheets of A4 pasted to the board.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-270718192156.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67721)

The sharp eyed will also note the other new addition
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-270718192257.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67722)
The case was a little damaged at the spot where Iíve stuck the sign, thatís why there is a slight blemish.
I do think it looks rather good though.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Philipp on July 28, 2018, 10:52:46 AM
Love this layout, look forward to seeing it at Hayle MRC in August?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 28, 2018, 12:44:04 PM
Love this layout, look forward to seeing it at Hayle MRC in August?
Thanks. Iíll be there.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on July 28, 2018, 03:09:19 PM
Hereís Tregonning in its case - virtually complete... The sharp eyed will also note the other new addition ... The case was a little damaged at the spot where Iíve stuck the sign, thatís why there is a slight blemish.
I do think it looks rather good though.

I think it looks wonderful, Martin.

Congratulations on constructing such a lovely and interesting layout in such a short time.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 28, 2018, 03:26:09 PM
Today Iíve attached the card backboard to the lid of the case in order to make it look tidy (ish).
I shall attach information sheets to the back of the lid and possibly a map.
Sods law, as I go to print the first info sheet I get the message ďPrinter Out of InkĒ. 
Grrrr,  Iíllbe off to buy more ink tomorrow. My own fault as I knew the ink levels were low.
 I donít feel like getting in the car this afternoon.
Strangely, our village shop doesnít sell ink cartridges which is a shame  :D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 28, 2018, 04:35:22 PM
An ex GW prarie tank carefully eases two grimy six wheeled milk tankers out of the Tregonning creamery complex earlier today

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-280718163516.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67731)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 29, 2018, 03:36:35 PM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign:  Many thanks for sharing this excellent project it really looks amazing. If work allows I will see you in Hayle, probably on the Sunday fingers crossed.
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on July 31, 2018, 08:04:27 PM
Chris (IP) has kindly supplied this little horse and cart set for use on Tregonning.
Iíve quickly put it in the high street but this may well not be its final location. Plus the load will certainly change.
For now though, it looks good I think :

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-310718200336.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67780)
Thanks Chris, Iíll spruce it up a bit, add a better load then locate it in its final home.

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 06, 2018, 08:11:15 PM
The two externally very dirty empty milk tankers from Tregonning arrive at Cant Cove behind a BR Black EC 4575.

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/20180806_181427_zpszmgvoezw.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/20180806_181427_zpszmgvoezw.jpg.html)

The Tregonning Creamery needs extra supplies of full cream Cornish milk from the Castle Dairy to satisfy the demand for Cornish Clotted Cream at the peak of the tourist season and all the externally clean milk tankers are already in use.

(Fortunately, Lady Penelope is not present to see the scandalous external state of these two tanks wagons as she is with her husband on Mykonos, now the most famous Cycladic Island of the Aegean, the "Jet Set" destination of Europe.)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 06, 2018, 08:14:17 PM
Chris (IP) has kindly supplied this little horse and cart set for use on Tregonning.
Iíve quickly put it in the high street but this may well not be its final location. Plus the load will certainly change.
For now though, it looks good I think :

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-310718200336.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67780[/url])
Thanks Chris, Iíll spruce it up a bit, add a better load then locate it in its final home.


My pleasure, Martin. It was bought 'sight unseen' and I'm sure that you can make it look better, not least by changing the load. (I think that I have a similar horse and cart still in spraypainted undercoat to construct.) Yours, though, looks very good in the street scene and will, I'm sure, attract visitors' interest.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on August 06, 2018, 08:23:31 PM
The two externally very dirty empty milk tankers from Tregonning arrive at Cant Cove behind a BR Black EC 4575.


I have to admit that a sense of shock pervaded my work area when I saw those tankers.  :o. I mean, what were the maintenance/cleaning crew thinking of? I realise that there may be an unprecedented demand on rolling stock to cater for the demands of the tourists, but ......... words fail me! I too am glad that Lady Penelope is not around - she would have a fit if she saw those tankers.  :worried:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 06, 2018, 10:17:59 PM
Iím pleased that the weathers milk tankers arrived safely Chris.They look good wiith the 45xx in control.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 07, 2018, 07:11:23 AM
You canít beat some ďwell run inĒ rolling stock   :)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Leon on August 09, 2018, 05:21:48 PM
You canít beat some ďwell run inĒ rolling stock   :)

Martin, I've been studying the photo of your full layout, and it will be a "go to" example as I build my own. I am in awe by your achievement. All the compliments are fully deserved, and from modellers with significant achievements of their own they are even more meaningful.

Leon
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: wookie on August 09, 2018, 06:55:56 PM
Chris (IP) has kindly supplied this little horse and cart set for use on Tregonning.
Iíve quickly put it in the high street but this may well not be its final location. Plus the load will certainly change.
For now though, it looks good I think :

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/230-310718200336.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67780[/url])
Thanks Chris, Iíll spruce it up a bit, add a better load then locate it in its final home.


A good old load of hoss muck, complete with smellyvision  :D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 09, 2018, 07:59:39 PM
Iím pleased that the weathers milk tankers arrived safely Chris.They look good wiith the 45xx in control.


Thanks a lot, Martin, for all your work and posting them off so quickly. I think they look very good.

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/2018-08-06%2017.47.14_zpsecm5lgq4.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/2018-08-06%2017.47.14_zpsecm5lgq4.jpg.html)

The left-hand one had a dilute matt black wash added to the solebar, to tone down the brown patches.

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/2018-08-07%2016.27.41_zpswk58d9zt.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/2018-08-07%2016.27.41_zpswk58d9zt.jpg.html)

I must have a go at respraying my light blue Dapol 2F-031-012- 6 WHEEL MILK TANKER EXPRESS DAIRY 'E' N Gauge in "Castle Dairy" light blue livery.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 09, 2018, 08:29:23 PM
You canít beat some ďwell run inĒ rolling stock   :)

Martin, I've been studying the photo of your full layout, and it will be a "go to" example as I build my own. I am in awe by your achievement. All the compliments are fully deserved, and from modellers with significant achievements of their own they are even more meaningful.

Leon
Thank you Leon. That is very kind
I really enjoyed building my layout in a case (and was much inspired by Phoenix (Kevin) with his Windmill Hill).
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Leon on August 09, 2018, 08:51:07 PM
You canít beat some ďwell run inĒ rolling stock   :)
Thank you Leon. That is very kind
I really enjoyed building my layout in a case (and was much inspired by Phoenix (Kevin) with his Windmill Hill).

Martin, perhaps the primary motivation for my interest in model railroading were the delightful colors of both locomotives and wagons. They didn't continue to look so good, though, during their working lives and that fact needs to be represented in a model. A mix of pristine and worn is most appropriate. I've enjoyed following Kevin, also, but I can't get excited about modeling anything smaller than 4' x 8'. :) Even that doesn't give me as much scope as I'd like for the track plan, but I think I'd be happy to stop with the scenery after the dimensions of your case! As I've said previously, the two year plan I started with has stretched to four (probably).

Leon
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Milton Rail on August 15, 2018, 10:37:59 AM
Catching up with Tregonning, brilliant photos and cameo's as usual, sad to read it is complete (same with Windmill Hill) and won't be anywhere close to the exhibition locations sadly .. my new rota also means I miss TINGS again... I will get to it one day!

Look forward to seeing your next projects while I reflect on the fact that in the time you have conceptualised/acquired/planned/built/detailed/exhibited Tregonning ..... i have only got as far as acquiring not one but 2 instrument cases (I couldn't decide) to develop a similar idea.... well done and hat off to you!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 19, 2018, 08:28:23 PM
We arrived home a day early from a trip up to Bristol and Wiltshire. All of our visitors have now left (certainly till late September) so I get the train room back for a while.
As I have an exhibition date lined up for Tregonning next weekend, Iíve set up the case on the bed for final testing and fiddling.
Iíve added, at the last moment, this Celtic Cross which is typicak of so many Cornish villages. I think it looks ok - any thoughts?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/230-190818202817.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68288)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on August 19, 2018, 08:33:43 PM
We arrived home a day early from a trip up to Bristol and Wiltshire. All of our visitors have now left (certainly till late September) so I get the train room back for a while.
As I have an exhibition date lined up for Tregonning next weekend, Iíve set up the case on the bed for final testing and fiddling.
Iíve added, at the last moment, this Celtic Cross which is typicak of so many Cornish villages. I think it looks ok - any thoughts?

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/230-190818202817.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68288[/url])


I think it looks just right, Martin.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on August 19, 2018, 09:07:36 PM
Me too :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 19, 2018, 09:34:39 PM
We arrived home a day early from a trip up to Bristol and Wiltshire. All of our visitors have now left (certainly till late September) so I get the train room back for a while.
As I have an exhibition date lined up for Tregonning next weekend, Iíve set up the case on the bed for final testing and fiddling.
Iíve added, at the last moment, this Celtic Cross which is typicak of so many Cornish villages. I think it looks ok - any thoughts?

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/230-190818202817.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68288[/url])


I think it looks just right, Martin.

John


Seconded! An excellent addition. I've long been considering one for Cant Cove, by the main road, but still have not decided, yet. Where did you buy yours, please, Martin?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 19, 2018, 09:45:01 PM
Hi Chris.
The cross came from  Scale Model Scenery
https://www.scalemodelscenery.co.uk/shop/lx138-n-market-cross-war-memorial-n-2mm-1148/?v=79cba1185463 (https://www.scalemodelscenery.co.uk/shop/lx138-n-market-cross-war-memorial-n-2mm-1148/?v=79cba1185463)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Newportnobby on August 19, 2018, 10:01:40 PM
The cross looks fine to me, Martin. Maybe if you're exhibiting in November a couple of wreaths might be in order?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Drakken on August 19, 2018, 10:14:48 PM
So much to keep you interested in the layout just spend a good while enjoying the later pages of your thread, Think tomorrow I shall have a read from the start  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: dannyboy on August 19, 2018, 10:26:07 PM
The cross looks perfectly natural in that location Martin and Micks suggestion re wreaths in November is brilliantly apt!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 20, 2018, 07:30:06 AM
The cross looks fine to me, Martin. Maybe if you're exhibiting in November a couple of wreaths might be in order?
Great idea. I will be at the National Maritime Museum in November with Tregonning so wreaths it will be.
Now....thereís a challenge.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Milton Rail on August 20, 2018, 08:26:35 AM
The cross looks great, good luck with the wreaths
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on August 20, 2018, 08:42:58 AM
Hi Martin,

I have meaning to go to a watch shop or similar to see if they do tiny washers as portholes for boats but have never got round to it. Not sure how small they would be but something like that might work for wreaths.

Just an idea and good luck, it'll be a nice gesture.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 20, 2018, 10:13:07 AM
Hi Martin,

I have meaning to go to a watch shop or similar to see if they do tiny washers as portholes for boats but have never got round to it. Not sure how small they would be but something like that might work for wreaths.

Just an idea and good luck, it'll be a nice gesture.

Cheers weave  :beers:
A very good idea Chris, in fact, I think I have some smallish washers and some fine red scatter material to cover them with.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 20, 2018, 05:58:00 PM
Cross looks good Martin. Following up on Weave's (excellent) washer idea, I recall in the past that you could get fibre washers. If they're still around and in the right size they might be better than steel?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 21, 2018, 09:22:37 AM
Someone tell me to stop fiddling with Tregonning before its first show on Saturday.
I keep feeling the need to make little (and I mean tiny) tweaks which no one would ever notice anyway!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on August 21, 2018, 09:58:53 AM
Stop Fiddling!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 21, 2018, 10:49:28 AM
Stop Fiddling!
OK. Thank You.
Iíve stopped  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 21, 2018, 07:32:06 PM
Just a couple of snaps this evening

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/230-210818193050.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68351)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/230-210818193121.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68352)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/230-210818193156.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68353)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 21, 2018, 08:16:01 PM
Very nice, Martin. Thank you.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on August 21, 2018, 09:24:14 PM
Very nice fiddling photos :)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: chrispearce on August 21, 2018, 09:42:08 PM
This is a very clever layout. Although many buildings are standard Metcalfe, the grey stone makes them sooooooo very suited to a Cornish scene. You have done a splendid job Martin. You have captured the quintessential atmosphere of an inland Cornish village so very well.

Do you have any particular association with Cornwall? (Just kidding).

I actually see the spirit of places like St. Day in this model.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 21, 2018, 10:47:20 PM
 :hellosign: Looking really excellent Martin, a superb case of model engineering unfortunatley I have to work this weekend  :'( & the kick in the teeth is I drive past the venue more than once on Sunday.
   Hope to see Tregonning soon, where are you exhibiting next Martin please ?
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 22, 2018, 07:57:06 AM
Looking excellent, hope all goes well at the exhibition.

Your fiddling 🎻 is done.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 22, 2018, 08:56:56 AM
This is a very clever layout. Although many buildings are standard Metcalfe, the grey stone makes them sooooooo very suited to a Cornish scene. You have done a splendid job Martin. You have captured the quintessential atmosphere of an inland Cornish village so very well.

Do you have any particular association with Cornwall? (Just kidding).

I actually see the spirit of places like St. Day in this model.
St Day eh? Now thereís a thought for a future project.
At least I could stroll up there for some research.
On second thoughts though......maybe itís a no.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 22, 2018, 06:48:32 PM
I have to travel up country tomorrow for 2 days so today I had to get Tregonning all packed up and ready for the show on Saturday as I wonít be home until late on Friday evening.
I couldnít resist these few additional photographs so please indulge me whilst I bore you all yet again.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/230-220818183553.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68364)
First we have a Class 22 diesel hydraulic with its short freight casting its oily fumes over the countryside as it passes over the level crossing. Notice the very run down scout hut badly in need of a little tlc.
Perhaps the driver of the morris minor traveller is waiting patiently.....but then again, perhaps heís in a grumpy hurry.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/230-220818184009.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68365)
The rear of the local goods shed. Tom, only two days into his new job as general yard assistant, has been given the task of tidying the pile of coal used for heating the yard office in the Winter.
The Scammel flatbed leaves the yard with a block of finished granite.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/230-220818184245.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68366)
The school bus has just disgorged its passengers, all eager to be first at the local shop to buy their daily Lucky Bags or farthing chews. Mrs Dobbs will no doubt chastise them, as she does every day, for running, pushing and shouting.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/230-220818184540.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68367)
Meanwhile at the station the usual 45xx prarie tank has just coupled up to its two coaches ready to depart in 15 minutes. The potential passengers on the seat are in no rush to board, preferring to enjoy the late afternoon sun whilst they can whilst Mr Williams seems completely absorbed by an article in the Western Morning News.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Caz on August 22, 2018, 07:00:49 PM
More great photos, surprise after surprise, this layout just keeps giving.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: themadhippy on August 22, 2018, 07:01:16 PM
Quote
I had to get Tregonning all packed up and ready for the show on Saturday
Hope your doing things properly  and leaving the throwing   it in the  back of the van and chucking it on stage ,down to the road crew    gentle delivery and set up by the highly skilled equipment relocation engineers
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 22, 2018, 07:06:16 PM
Quote
I had to get Tregonning all packed up and ready for the show on Saturday
Hope your doing things properly  and leaving the throwing   it in the  back of the van and chucking it on stage ,down to the road crew    gentle delivery and set up by the highly skilled equipment relocation engineers
I am that highly unskilled equipment relocation engineer.
I have to shut the lid, carry the case downstairs (Mrs PP will kindly help with that), sling it in the car then when I arrive I plonk it on a table, put a loco on the track, plug in the controller and switch on.
Hayle is 20 mins drive away so Iíll allow myself 30minutes from leaving hone to having trains running  ;D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on August 22, 2018, 07:24:34 PM
Very many thanks for these wonderful photographs, Martin.

And for reminding me of 'Lucky Bags'; reading that made half a century dissolve in an instant!

Incidentally, a geographical question if you don't mind.  Where does 'up country' commence?

I hope that you have a good trip.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 22, 2018, 07:31:20 PM
Very many thanks for these wonderful photographs, Martin.

And for reminding me of 'Lucky Bags'; reading that made half a century dissolve in an instant!

Incidentally, a geographical question if you don't mind.  Where does 'up country' commence?

I hope that you have a good trip.

John
Thank you John.
I well remember Lucky Bags and, one of my personal favourites when I was a young lad.....sweet tobacco. Is that still available?
And, up-country commences immediately one crosses the Cornwall border into Devon.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on August 22, 2018, 08:29:12 PM
Aah, you're going foreign then. Have a good journey.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 27, 2018, 09:14:36 AM
So.......finally after four solid weeks of holiday breaks, three seperate rounds of visitors (including grand children), 2 trips up to Wiltshire to take elderly parents to hospital appointments and finally  2 very tiring days at the Hayle Model Railway Show, we finally have a couple of weeks to ourselves.
Yippee!   Itís a bit of a feet up day here in Cornwall.
Itís so nice to have visitors but this last month has all been a bit full on.
At the Hayle Show on Saturday and Sunday, I received many nice comments regarding Tregonning. Lots of people were astounded by what can be achieved in a small space. I do hope that I might have inspired a few others to have a go.
And of course, I must thank Kevin (Phoenix) for inspiring me.
Anyway, enough ramblings, whilst talking to lots of people over the last two days, I have formulated a new idea and a new project in mind.
I still plan, as revealed elsewhere, to rejuvenate and refresh Trepol Bay (including its fiddle yard) but I have another project in mind.
I just need to finalise the idea in my head before all is revealed.......
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Innovationgame on August 27, 2018, 09:28:42 AM
Don't keep us in suspense, Martin.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on August 27, 2018, 09:43:13 AM
I'm very much looking forward to reading about what this plan will be, Martin.


Still 'N' gauge?  I sometimes think that you would achieve amazing results in 009.  Small size but bigger details.


John

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on August 27, 2018, 04:08:16 PM
This suspense is not doing my blood pressure any good. :no:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on August 27, 2018, 04:39:44 PM
We know your on here Martin.

Spill the beans  :)

Atlantic Coast Express in a box file?  :D

Looking forward to the future plans where you will no doubt build it before I've finished one half of my causeway  :doh:

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: themadhippy on August 27, 2018, 05:18:57 PM
Having been tipped off ,i can reveal to the world the follow up to Tregonning is  going to be based on a traditional cornish industrial site, a tin mine.Below is the track layout ,as seen by the operator.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/4863-270818171804.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68491)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 27, 2018, 07:20:21 PM
 :laughabovepost:
Very good  :D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 27, 2018, 07:55:45 PM
John....an 009 layout has frequently crossed my mind and is very appealing but  two things are stopping me. Firstly, I donít really want the expenditure which would be necessary for locos and stock. Secondly, I donít feel that Iím up to the challenge of getting the scale right and am worried that it wonít work out.
Maybe that will be a plan for a few years time.

No.....Iím simply going to make an alternative layout for the case. Tregonning will simply lift out and I can insert a new baseboard. Iíd then be able to rotate the two as I choose.
The new layout will again be set in Cornwall but Iím still mulling over the options. I have a few in mind already and will decide over the next week or so although I am open to further suggestions.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on August 27, 2018, 08:16:14 PM
John....an 009 layout has frequently crossed my mind and is very appealing but  two things are stopping me. Firstly, I donít really want the expenditure which would be necessary for locos and stock. Secondly, I donít feel that Iím up to the challenge of getting the scale right and am worried that it wonít work out.
Maybe that will be a plan for a few years time.

No.....Iím simply going to make an alternative layout for the case. Tregonning will simply lift out and I can insert a new baseboard. Iíd then be able to rotate the two as I choose.
The new layout will again be set in Cornwall but Iím still mulling over the options. I have a few in mind already and will decide over the next week or so although I am open to further suggestions.

Thank you for this, Martin

An alternative layout for the case sounds a great idea.

I have convinced myself that the 4' x 2'6" of Poppingham is an ideal layout size and am already planning another layout, as I have a piece of plywood just over that size (and a joiner friend with a fancy saw table) in the garage.  So, not that far from what you have in mind.

009 is on my mind and is a new scale to me.  There are a lot of lovely new models either available or coming on to the market.  What appeals to me is that the details, and, in particular, the little people are bigger.  Of course, there is also 09!

Whatever you do will wonderful and an inspiration to me; of that I'm certain.

With best wishes

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 27, 2018, 09:08:24 PM
Somewhat cloudy skies as a prarie tank passes the grounds of Tregonning House with a mixed freight.
The low late Summer sun casting shadows in the foreground. The siding leads down to Tregonning Creamery but the goods train is headed for the main line and on towards Newquay so no shunting of milk tankers will be required.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/230-270818210626.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68496)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on August 28, 2018, 02:17:04 PM
That's a fabulous photograph, thank you, Martin.  From an unusual angle as well.

The new layout will again be set in Cornwall but I’m still mulling over the options. I have a few in mind already and will decide over the next week or so although I am open to further suggestions.

You mentioned that you are open to suggestions; here's one, and the fieldwork will be easy!

As you know better than me, the GWR was less than pleased by the L&SWR's purchase of the Bodmin & Wadebridge Railway in 1846 and that the acquisition was not legalised until an Act of Parliament in 1886.  In 1879, a Receiver was appointed for the Redruth & Chasewater Railway.

Now, as Arthur Whitehead used to write in the Railway Modeller, just supposing...

The GWR, taking no chances this time, bought the railway from the Receiver and, having secured an Act of Parliament, regauged it to standard gauge (there certainly was much fun with gauges in Cornwall at the time!) and the line continued as a backwater (goods only?).  Assuming that Devoran continued as a third-rate port and that the GWR, in a fit of enthusiasm, finished the uncompleted Chacewater branch would add to the just-about-believable fun.  And wouldn't it be nice to have a place on a layout called Ting Tang?

Ting Tang, indeed.  Can I please claim the prize for the silliest suggestion?!

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 28, 2018, 03:11:53 PM
That's a fabulous photograph, thank you, Martin.  From an unusual angle as well.

The new layout will again be set in Cornwall but Iím still mulling over the options. I have a few in mind already and will decide over the next week or so although I am open to further suggestions.

You mentioned that you are open to suggestions; here's one, and the fieldwork will be easy!

As you know better than me, the GWR was less than pleased by the L&SWR's purchase of the Bodmin & Wadebridge Railway in 1846 and that the acquisition was not legalised until an Act of Parliament in 1886.  In 1879, a Receiver was appointed for the Redruth & Chasewater Railway.

Now, as Arthur Whitehead used to write in the Railway Modeller, just supposing...

The GWR, taking no chances this time, bought the railway from the Receiver and, having secured an Act of Parliament, regauged it to standard gauge (there certainly was much fun with gauges in Cornwall at the time!) and the line continued as a backwater (goods only?).  Assuming that Devoran continued as a third-rate port and that the GWR, in a fit of enthusiasm, finished the uncompleted Chacewater branch would add to the just-about-believable fun.  And wouldn't it be nice to have a place on a layout called Ting Tang?

Ting Tang, indeed.  Can I please claim the prize for the silliest suggestion?!

Best wishes.

John
Lovely suggestion John.
I like the idea and to make things more interesting, Tin Tang Farm is literally 100 yards from us and the site of the old ting Tang Mine is about 250 yards away.
In fact the mighty Carharrack AFC play their home matches at the Ting Tamg Ground.
Certainly something to think about......Iíll give it due consideration.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 28, 2018, 03:17:09 PM
In fact, much as I like Ting Tang in reality if the GWR had constructed a branch from Chacewater to Devoran it would have passed, one would have thought, through or near the tiny hamlet of Goongumpas (about a mile from us) which is, I think you will agree, a splendid name.
Maybe, I could have a Ting Tang Farm at Goongumpas?
Hmmmm.......
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on August 28, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
Goongumpas: most wonderful!  One simply couldn't make it up...

I had to look it up on the map and found Tregonning Road as well.

I'm glad that you didn't find the idea totally daft.

Perhaps you could make a series of 'case' layout over time, each featuring a different part of the line.  A bit like Shirley and Dave Rowe did with their cabinet diorama/layouts.

Happy modelling whatever you choose.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on August 28, 2018, 07:50:00 PM
John, your siggestions have set me thinking and for that I thank you.
I do like your idea of a potential branch from Chacewater to Devoran.
Space in my case is, of course, limited and I do not simply want to create another Tregonning but with differing scenery.
Much as I like your ideas of Ting Tang and Goongumpas I feel that Devoran wharf itself would make a very interesting subject with great potential.
To that end I have this evening been loosely laying track on the closed lid of Tregonning to see what I could fit in. My initial thoughts are to still have a roundy roundy but the rear section would be hidden by running through a tunnel running the entire length of the case. The tracks would be hidden behind a hill.
The whole base of the layout would be raised about an inch above the base of the case allowing a river to flow in from the left and flowing to the sea via a port at Devoran.
Of course, up to 1915 the narrow gauge Redruth and Chasewater (note the incorrect spelling) transported ore to Devoran for export and imported timber from Scandinavia for use in the mines (eg pit props etc). Indeed the public house at Perranarworthal, just up the estuary from Devoran is called the Norway Inn.  Incidentally the former trackbed of the R&C ran right past our cottage.
So......maybe the GWR could have been attempting to ďcash inĒ on this traffic and also to try to turn Devoran into a much more important harbour.
This has all stirred my imagination. My main problem will be trying to accommodate all of this into what is effectively a very small area but I think it can be done.
Let me ponder for a while.
Martin
I shall give it more thought.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on August 28, 2018, 08:31:12 PM
Splendid, Martin.

The wharf is a great place to start and other scenes along the line can follow later if you fancy.

Time to acknowledge A. Fairclough, 'The Story of Cornwall's Railways', Tor Mark Press, Truro, 1970.  A very young me bought this book during a family holiday to Cornwall in 1971.  And, like all my railway books, I've still got it!  I remembered being fascinated by the Redruth & Chasewater and the uncompleted branch line to Chacewater.

I look forward to developments.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Mito on August 28, 2018, 08:55:05 PM
A couple more cases might not go amiss here! :) I think cases are made for harps, certainly double bases. Got me thinking now, not a good thing. :no:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: weave on August 28, 2018, 11:55:34 PM
Hi Martin,

All sounds interesting. Hope you go with the wharf/port idea. I need more inspiration from one of the masters.

Looking forward to it, whatever it may be.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS Just wondered how many times the staff in that pub have been asked 'did you call it that to keep Scottish people out?'. Sorry, got me coat, am on a ferry back to Brittany  :-[



Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 29, 2018, 07:13:49 AM
As you've already very successfully modelled a port with Trepol Bay Harbour, I also really like the idea of a wharf -- which, anyway, is more suited to a restricted space. Thinking about it, the railway line to the wharf could appear inbetween two buildings in a row of houses, etc. I have in mind both the Welshpool and Llanfair Railway's former line which emerged from a space not much bigger than a side alley and a line to a coal yard in Great Yarmouth which passed between two buildings, one of which was a pub. (I have photos. and trackplans.) That would make a change from a tunnel and give you an opportunity to model more houses and a pub. The single track line would then split into sidings serving the wharf area.

It's a great pity that there are no 16xx pannier tanks, even in kit form in 2mm Scale as one would be ideal. However, a 57xx or BR/Drewry 0-6-0 would be good substitutes, as would a 74xx (converted from a 64xx) pannier tank. (Drewry Class 04s operated the Great Yarmouth coal yard.) If LSWR, a B4 0-4-0T (there was some discussion about a 3D body kit on a Japanese chassis) would be perfect. (If LMR or ScR, the Minitrix Dock Shunter is ideal.)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: themadhippy on September 03, 2018, 10:17:21 PM
Quote
laying track on the closed lid of Tregonning to see what I could fit in
rip the lid off and make it deeper,2 layouts in 1 case
Quote
certainly double bases
Any double bass case ive seen has been an odd shape,however keeping on the bass theme a case for a 8x 10" bass cab will give a fair bit of room to play with

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on November 13, 2018, 05:25:50 PM
This afternoon, Iíve been getting Tregonning ready for its appearance at the Model Engineering Showcase Weekend at the National Maritime Museum - Falmouth this coming weekend.
Track cleaned and stock selected. Itís such a small layout that very limited stock and a few locomotives are all thatís required. Itís so tempting to take lots of alternative stock and engines bit I shall refrain.
Anyway, all is working ok and ready to go.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/230-131118172457.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71463)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/230-131118172530.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71464)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on November 13, 2018, 06:40:16 PM
Lovely to see Tregonning again, Martin.

I've been missing it!

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 13, 2018, 08:03:15 PM
Lovely to see Tregonning again, Martin.

I've been missing it!

John

Seconded! I wish you an excellent show.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 13, 2018, 08:48:45 PM
 :hellosign: Agreed Tregonning  is looking good, have a great weekend Martin
  :veryangry: my weekend to work.
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on November 16, 2018, 01:36:14 PM
Strange day here.
Tregonning and Descanso Farm all tidied and track cleaned.
Stock and locos all selected, cleaned and very lightly oiled.
Everything is packed up but we canít gain access to the National Maritime Museum in Falmouth till 7-15 this evening so lots of waiting.
Weíll have to load the car by 4-30 as I donít like carrying heavy stuff down the mountain slope  with steps thatís our back garden in the dark!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 16, 2018, 03:49:08 PM
 :hellosign: Take care Martin on those steps, passed them yesterday (almost dark) with the bus
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 17, 2018, 07:17:07 PM
:hellosign: Take care Martin on those steps, passed them yesterday (almost dark) with the bus
    regards Derek.

Seconded! Hope the show went well, Martin.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on November 17, 2018, 07:22:56 PM
Thanks Chris.
Yes, day one went really well thank you with some very nice comments re both Tregonning and Descanso Farm.
See http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=42862.msg539437#msg539437 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=42862.msg539437#msg539437)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on November 18, 2018, 06:35:26 PM
A great show at the weekend and having Tregonning more accessible than at home I could  take a few photos from unusual angles.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/230-181118183226.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71611)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/230-181118183306.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71612)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/230-181118183345.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71613)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/230-181118183432.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71614)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/230-181118183505.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71615)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 18, 2018, 08:05:28 PM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign: :thankyousign: 
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 18, 2018, 09:12:08 PM
:hellosign:   :greatpicturessign: :thankyousign: 
     regards Derek.

Seconded! Some excellent new viewing points, Martin.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on November 19, 2018, 09:33:37 PM
:hellosign:   :greatpicturessign: :thankyousign: 
     regards Derek.

Seconded! Some excellent new viewing points, Martin.

Agreed.  These photographs show very interesting new views of the layout.

Thank you.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 20, 2018, 07:33:24 AM
Excellent new photos  :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Phoenix on November 20, 2018, 03:47:14 PM
Hi Martin,

sounds like a great weekend. Fab pictures, and lovely to see the farm out and about.

hope you are all well, and glad you had a good time  :D :D :D

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Leon on January 29, 2019, 05:58:24 PM
I'm rather slow getting around the many exemplary layouts on this site, but here I am admiring again the marvelous work that is Tregonning! Of all the splendid work showcased in the Forum, I think this is my favorite! Thanks for the additional images that provide a lot of references for my own future modelling. Incidentally, I'm understanding better every day the wisdom of less is more!

Leon
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 29, 2019, 06:11:04 PM
A very nice surprise was to see it featured in the new "N Gauge Journal".
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 29, 2019, 06:22:21 PM
A very nice surprise was to see it featured in the new "N Gauge Journal".
Glad it has arrived in Prague.
I did manage to keep that quiet - it was submitted back in October.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on January 29, 2019, 06:31:42 PM
I'm rather slow getting around the many exemplary layouts on this site, but here I am admiring again the marvelous work that is Tregonning! Of all the splendid work showcased in the Forum, I think this is my favorite! Thanks for the additional images that provide a lot of references for my own future modelling. Incidentally, I'm understanding better every day the wisdom of less is more!

Leon
Thank you Leon. I really enjoyed building Tregonning. It is on a removable board within its case and one  day I intend to get around to building another in case model so the two can be interchangeable.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on January 29, 2019, 09:00:57 PM
... Incidentally, I'm understanding better every day the wisdom of less is more!

Leon

So am I, Leon!  I have a train set room that's a good 16' x 10'.  My present layout, which is fantastic fun, is 4' x 2'6".  The layout which used to fill the room is slowly being reduced in size.  I'll not be surprised if it ends up diminishing to vanishing point.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Leon on January 30, 2019, 03:48:15 PM
Martin, I just received my "N Gauge Journal". Congratulations! My last post was certainly timely, and the publication of your article confirms my good judgement!   :D

Leon
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: wookie on January 30, 2019, 04:38:57 PM
Nice article Martin  :thumbsup:
I opened the journal and thought "Ay up, I know that one!"  :D
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Milton Rail on January 30, 2019, 09:11:54 PM
Some lovely photos of Tregonning there Martin, the NGS magazine should be waiting for me when I get home, somethine else for me to look forward to :)

Glad to hear that the exhibition was a success
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 31, 2019, 11:12:49 PM
 :hellosign: Many congratulations Martin  :thumbsup:
     regards Derek
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: LASteve on January 31, 2019, 11:27:46 PM
I just got my N Gauge Journal - great article, Martin!

Like Leon, it looks like we're a bit behind the times here in the USA. I think the competition deadline has already expired!

Tregonning made up for it though!
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Caz on February 15, 2019, 07:05:39 PM
Martin, it looks like you and Bertie have been out and about on Claywell!
@port perran (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/202-150219185015-741512001.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/202-150219190321.jpeg)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 15, 2019, 07:30:22 PM
Bertie sneeks off sometimes when we arenít looking and he does lke to visit different railways.
Great photo - where did you get that orange bay window VW?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Caz on February 15, 2019, 07:55:02 PM
I've had it quite some time, It's plastic and I'm not sure where I bought it but it says "miNis" on the underside.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/202-150219195214.jpeg)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on February 15, 2019, 08:00:28 PM
Thanks Caz. Iíll start searching.
Iíd like an orange and white one like Bertie on my layouts.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Caz on February 15, 2019, 08:34:39 PM
This maybe it although it might be a modern version

http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=LKLC4304&style=&strType=&Mcode=MiNis+%28by+Lemke%29+LC4304 (http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=LKLC4304&style=&strType=&Mcode=MiNis+%28by+Lemke%29+LC4304)

(http://www.gaugemaster.com/_upload/imgs/lrg/43477963/LKLC4304.jpg)
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 15, 2019, 08:42:46 PM
I thought it was German made but could not think of the brand name. A search on eBay Germany might find one?
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 03, 2019, 01:00:04 PM
I havenít really had Tregonning out for a few months so thought Iíd give it a run and see if I can make a few little improvements.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7915/47214827922_08ab0dd2e5_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eWdkph)31AA6D1D-CF26-4230-B61F-5DBCF3BED22C (https://flic.kr/p/2eWdkph) by martin scane (https://www.flickr.com/photos/162836309@N02/), on Flickr
This is a quiet corner with a local enthusiast photographing the newly arrived 64xx pannier.
Iíve added a little chap sitting reading his newspaper on a small stile over the wall.
I think a small van on the roadway behind the small hut would add to the scene. That area is a bit empty I think.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Train Waiting on March 03, 2019, 01:39:55 PM
Wonderful to see Tregonning again, Martin.  I had been missing it.

That's a particularly nice photograph; thank you very much.

John
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 03, 2019, 07:46:23 PM
Very good to see Tregonning, again, Martin.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 04, 2019, 06:06:40 PM
By
Very good to see Tregonning, again, Martin.
:hellosign: Seconded
        regards Derek
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: port perran on March 15, 2019, 03:22:21 PM
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7830/40421156443_9bb16c5916_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24zSZyp)9139FA15-CF59-4E15-AE93-D2E186A2A332 (https://flic.kr/p/24zSZyp) by martin scane (https://www.flickr.com/photos/162836309@N02/), on Flickr
Tregonning plus my little Wadebridge Boxfile layout have been invited to Falmouth MRC Open Day tomorrow.
Here they are in the conservatory waiting to go into the car a bit later.
Wonít take me long to set up!

Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 15, 2019, 03:24:18 PM
Excellent, Martin. I hope that all goes well. I'm sure both layouts will show other railway modellers what can be achieved in a small space.
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 16, 2019, 09:54:16 PM
 :hellosign: Hope you had a good show Martin.
        regards Derek
Title: Re: Tregonning - Layout in a (Largish) case
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 17, 2019, 07:28:03 AM
:hellosign: Hope you had a good show Martin.
        regards Derek

Agreed!  :thumbsup: