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Title: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 10, 2018, 11:20:19 AM
 :hellosign:
It has been bout 20 months since I introduced myself on here (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=32825.msg377927#msg377927 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=32825.msg377927#msg377927)) and boldly stated that

“I am now ready to make a start laying track for Churston and the mainline circuit, but it will be another couple of weeks yet before I can start because I have a laser cutter to install / set to work and some other projects to complete first.  I will start some form of online progress thread when I get going again, explaining my reasoning and further background to the layout.”

To be fair I knew the project was going to be a slow burner, but with one thing and another I didn’t actually make a start on the track laying until about 10 months ago.

After 5 major growth periods and with 14 points, 1 crossing, 1 double slip and approximately 42 metres of track laid and wired, I have finally finished track laying/ wiring.  Am now moving into a long testing phase to check the track for reliable running before starting on the scenic work which I will show on here.

However, first some back ground on the layout over the next few days……………………………

It was Easter 1997 when I originally started work on the 2 baseboards representing Brixham station to covering the period 1943-1963.  Wired for DC in switchable sections with isolated ends to sidings, we were successfully running short trains around the station area and about to start adding buildings and scenery when a house move got in the way and the boards went into storage.  Further progress fell in the “too difficult” category and we gradually lost interest.  Sixteen years later and my semi-retirement allowed re-kindling of lots of projects, including the Brixham Branch.

I have the use of a 12’x12’ wooden cabin so I sketched out various ideas how to make best use of all the extra space available.  I settled on a continuous twin track run on a scenic shelf around the inside of my new man cave with the Brixham branch line joining the main line at my interpretation of Churston.  Things have moved on considerably in the world of N gauge and model railways in general, so DCC was the obvious way forward for me.  Using Anyrail and taking on board some helpful comments the plan has developed from this in April 2016:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-100118113835.jpeg)

To this as laid:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-100118113924.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 10, 2018, 11:34:41 AM
The general "civil engineering" concept was pretty straight forward: a suitable width shelf around the shed with reasonably large radius corners and some supporting structure for the Brixham station and fuel depot boards.  Visible curve radii have been kept as large as possible or will be disguised by scenery.  The biggest issue was how to tackle crossing the doorway.  I toyed with fitting a hinged lifting section, but once I finally settled on what the scenic sections were actually going to represent I decided to construct my own version of the Royal Albert Bridge across the Tamar.  I have a laser cutter and have been able to make many near scale structures for the layout in 2017: more of which later.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-100118113325.jpeg)

I have enjoyed researching the project (so much easier with the internet) but have still mainly relied on printed reference material, chiefly

The Brixham Branch                                C R Potts         Oakwood Press
Newton Abbot to Kingswear Branch Line   C R Potts          ABC Press
GWR Journal                                           Various Issues
Brunnel in Cornwall                                John Christopher  Amberley Publishing
The System                                            Michael Winner    Odeon Entertainment

My Granfather was a Signalman at Goodrington box in the early 60’s and it was nice to find a photo of him the Newton Abbot to Kingswear book.

Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: RailGooner on January 10, 2018, 11:53:05 AM
Layout plan looks great and your take on the 'Royal Albert Bridge' looks fantastic. :thumbsup: Any chance of a larger pic of the bridge please?
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Newportnobby on January 10, 2018, 01:48:44 PM
I much prefer the 'as laid' version of the track plan as it has less straight track, and your bridge is quite a spectacle. Is it a simple lift out edifice, and how have you connected it to either side electrically please?
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 10, 2018, 03:03:09 PM
Thank you both.
I plan on fully explaining how I made the bridge in a couple days, but in the mean time here are a few more photos.
Apologies for the first one being on it's side: it is upright in the image on my phone.  Anyway,  my requirement was for a double track and single span to cross the doorway.
Track clearance/separation is standard using a Peco track gauge.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-100118130649.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-100118131416.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-100118131547.jpeg)

These photos are of a more prototypical one I cut for Graham Slope to stand on his solid baseboard (many thanks for allowing me to have/use the photos of his finished bridge)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-100118131812.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-100118131900.jpeg)

The straight track up the right side and across the top is behind the back scene boards for Brixham and the fuel depot, so won't be seen when everything is done.  The DCC bus is "above ground" there too for ease of connecting up.
My bridge is a lift out section as in photo 2 above.  Located with Brass dowels as used for baseboard alignment with pcb pads and sprung brass connectors to make the electrical connections.  Much more detail and photos in a couple days.
Title: The Tora Bora Line - Brixham
Post by: Dizz on January 10, 2018, 03:13:30 PM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-100118150709.jpeg)

Back in 1997 I tried to emulate the track layout as it was immediately before the station closed in 1963.  As I have said, it was originally built for DC control with 4 power sections and several isolating sections.  The real platform at Brixham was divided into approximately two equal sections for passenger traffic and a fish loading dock by a run-round point: one of the changes I have made from reality is to extend the length of the platform and move the point further down to leave just enough head-shunt space to accept a tender loco for run around.  I also compressed the distances around the signal box to shorten the overall length of the station limits to fit more comfortably on two 600x300mm (2’ x 4’) boards. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-100118150540.jpeg)

Until the late 60s there was an iron over bridge over Northfields Lane about ½ mile from the signal box just before the start of the Fuel depot loop.  To fit this in the track length, curves and incline have been adjusted to fit the available space. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-100118150618.jpeg)

The line and station were closed as part of the Beeching cuts, but in my world the line has remained prosperous with buoyant passenger and goods/fish services running thoughout the period I am modelling (now 1943-1966).  Before the track was lifted in 1964, Brixham station appeared in a film called “The System” directed by Michael Winner and starring Oliver Reed.  Renamed as “Roxham”, the station was a summer holiday destination for a Class 22 pulling 4+ Mk1 maroon coaches.  Churston station also makes an appearance in the film as the characters’ departure station. The film has provided some very useful scale references and I have the stock to replicate the opening scenes in the film…...... well you have to don’t you?  :D

Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Milton Rail on January 10, 2018, 04:54:57 PM
That's a cracker of a bridge, look forward to seeing your next posts on it
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on January 10, 2018, 05:01:48 PM
The bridge is amazing.
I can’t imagine how long that took to build.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 10, 2018, 05:09:03 PM
The bridge is amazing.
I can’t imagine how long that took to build.

Only a few hours actually. 
However there were many hours CAD drawing/ making up the cutter files and then several hours feeding ply and balsa to the laser to cut the parts.
Title: The Tora Bora Line - Northfield Lane Fuel Transfer Sidings
Post by: Dizz on January 10, 2018, 05:16:48 PM
The Ministry of Supply fuel transfer sidings were built at the start of WW2.  It was deemed too dangerous for tanker shipping to transit further up the English Channel (threat of E-Boat attack, etc) so Brixham was selected as a port where they could be safely unloaded.  The fuel traffic through the port was almost exclusively high grade aviation fuel, but lubrication oils were also handled.  A pipeline was constructed from the Breakwater fuel jetty to underground storage tanks near Berryhead.  A further pipeline ran from the base of the breakwater, around the harbour and through the town to the transfer sidings in the fields approximately ½ mile towards Churston from Brixham station.  Tanker wagons were brought from the main goods sidings at Goodrington (Paignton) 10 at a time for filling in the sidings.  Full tankers were returned to the same and made up into 40 wagon trains which ran overnight approximately twice a week to another transfer depot in the Cotswolds where the onward distribution to RAF Stations via a further underground pipe network was carried out.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-100118151447.jpeg)

Working in the sidings was covered by token, taking out the whole length of the branch line length from Churston to Brixham station limits.  The token also unlocked the ground frames for access to the fuel sidings loop with wagons being propelled through the wire gates into the Ministry sidings.  GWR engines were not permitted past the gates by the 3-way point: any subsequent movements inside the depot were carried out by wires and electric capstan.  After the war the breakwater fuel jetty and associated underground pipe system were run by ESSO until closure of the fuel depot in the late 50s. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-100118151623.jpeg)

Under rule 1 I will not be blocking out the branch for fuel depot working and I will allow engines into the sidings.  Still have to decide on what uncoupling method to employ.  I have actually put my name down for a NGS Hunslett shunter in ESSO red livery to be permanently based at the sidings.  I have also added a short head-shunt to stable the shunter and allow movements whilst branch traffic passes, however overall the configuration of the loop and sidings are close enough for me.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Train Waiting on January 10, 2018, 06:23:12 PM
What a magnificent model of a railway!

Churston has always been a favourite of mine - no idea why; I just like it - so it's good to see it included in your system.

With all good wishes.

John
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 10, 2018, 07:40:31 PM
 :greatpicturessign: I think IKB would be impressed with the bridge model  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Bealman on January 10, 2018, 09:15:33 PM
A most impressive layout.  :thumbsup:
Title: The Tora Bora Line - "Churston"
Post by: Dizz on January 11, 2018, 12:24:13 PM
Thank you all,

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-110118121344.jpeg)

Using Anyrail software, my version of Churston track plan has been through many, many iterations and does not fully replicate anything that actually existed at the station, but it is close enough for me (Rule 1 again!)  :thumbsup:

 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-110118125845.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-110118121008.jpeg)

First divergence is that Churston is actually only a passing station on the single line Paignton to Kingswear route.  Working from right to left changes I have made are: the down refuge siding starts in the wrong place; the up loop is complete fiction and will be set in a deep cutting behind the station through what were open fields and then the Grammar School; no goods sidings or loop on the Brixham branch; added a double slip (was there in GWR broad gauge days) and crossing to help access to/from the Brixham line; position and orientation of the road bridge has been altered and will be used to disguise the end of the fuel depot back scene; cattle dock and Bay platforms have been extended in length to take longer trains (the bay platform could only accommodate a 14xx plus 2 autocoach, it will now take a 22xx with 3 carriages).  Platform lengths are about the right length and will accept 10 coach trains. There is a trailing crossing between the two main lines at the Kingswear end where in reality there was/is a single point serving the up and down platforms………………and the station curves the wrong way.  Other than that it is quite obviously a model of Churston!  :smiley-laughing:

Title: The Tora Bora Line- General Stuff
Post by: Dizz on January 11, 2018, 12:45:45 PM
Continuous run of the down main is 15.2m with the outer up line slightly longer at 15.4m.  The length of the branch line from bay platform to the buffer stops in Brixham is 6m. 

Most track joiners are soldered but I have left some “free floating” with small gaps to allow for expansion in the summer.

There are 3 storage loops and one refuge storage siding, all of which can accommodate at least a 2+7 car HST set. 

All track is Peco code 55, all points (29 assorted + 1 x 3-way + 1 x double slip) are Peco Streamline electrofrog.

Points on the three branch line boards are powered by Hornby R247 decoders and Peco solenoids with associated PL-13 frog polarity switches.
All the main line points are powered and switched by Gaugemaster solenoids (the double slip has Peco point motors and PL-13 switches) via 5 x DCC Concepts AD-S2SX units and one AD-S8SX unit.  For remote indication and confirmation of route setting I have wired red and green LEDs to the AD-S2SX decoders controlling the Trago Loops.

The diamond crossing polarities are under the control of a Gaugemaster auto reversing loop unit.

Overall DCC control is from a Hornby Elite controller and I have RailMaster software available on my laptop for the future.

There is a single DCC bus running around the mainline with a spur for the branch and 70+ pairs of droppers connecting to the track.  At the moment everything runs off that bus and I haven’t had any snags to date: will see how it performs when testing proper starts (wiring has been planned with the option to split into 2 or 3 separate power districts if needed with the addition of 1 or 2 power boosters and cutting 8 rail joiners).
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Ollie3440 on January 11, 2018, 05:02:47 PM
Afternoon.

Will be watching this layout progress with great interest. That bridge is mightily impressive and I'm keen to see how the rest progresses. Nice one!

Cheers

Ollie

 :NGaugersRule:
Title: The Tora Bora Line - Royal Albert Bridge - 1
Post by: Dizz on January 14, 2018, 06:46:31 PM
Since 2008 I had been designing radio controlled model aircraft using AutoCAD and making the parts on a friend’s CNC router and laser cutter.  In August 2015 when I “retired” I treated myself to a Chinese laser engraver/cutter in anticipation of being able to spend more time building models.  I finally got it installed and at least functioning in the man cave in February 2016.  Then followed a frustrating 3 months setting it to work properly and gaining operating experience.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-140118184407.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60603)

The first issue to overcome was that the control panel was in Chinese!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-140118184532.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60604)

With some lateral thinking I managed to change language first to Danish and then English so I was then able to start setting parameters.  The included instructions were next to useless, but as I already had a good knowledge of operating the other laser I at least knew what questions to ask on Google.  Every step was dogged by some frustrating minor issue that took several days to diagnose and rectify.  Anyway, by the end of May the laser just about did “what it said on the tin”, but still left much room for tuning to truly get the best out of the machine.  This coincided with me returning to work and also with requiring a solution as to how the model railway project would tackle the door gap.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on January 14, 2018, 06:59:46 PM
Wow. That’s some machine and way beyond my levels of comprehension.
I thought it was some kind of modern tumble dtyer with that big blue pipe comng out of the bottom!
By the way, I notice that you are just up the road from me.
Title: The Tora Bora Line - Royal Albert Bridge – 2 Inspiration
Post by: Dizz on January 14, 2018, 07:00:24 PM
I drive over the Tamar road bridge at least 4 times a month when traveling to/from Torbay and every time I am impressed with Brunel’s Royal Albert Bridge masterpiece.  One trip in July 2016 it occurred to me that I might now be able to laser cut my own version of the Albert Bridge to carry the railway across the door gap.  I looked at some photographs when I got home and came up with a way I could construct it.  I then played with scaling a side elevation drawing in ACAD to see how it would fit/look.  It was clear that if I used 2 spans as per the real one the bridge would not get anywhere near 1:148.  A single span scaled to the width of the door would be better, still not 1:148 but close enough that it could “look right”.  There would obviously need to be a certain amount of artistic licence required anyway (not least in that it would have to carry a double track) so I continued tweaking the scale of the side elevation in ACAD until I was happy.     

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-140118185555.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60605)

My laser has a 700x500mm bed, but with allowances for carriage overrun the actual maximum cutting dimensions are approx. 650x470mm.  Having finalised the scale of the bridge side elevation it was a case of deciding how I could make it.  I buy sheet material in 600x300 and 600x400mm sizes and the Balsa is 915x100mm or 915x75mm.  The next stage was to manually tracing over the side elevation to generate the framework, design the cross braces, design the bridge deck, project and draw the layers for the balsa support tube and design the end towers.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-140118185939.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60606)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 14, 2018, 07:05:28 PM
Wow. That’s some machine and way beyond my levels of comprehension.
I thought it was some kind of modern tumble dtyer with that big blue pipe comng out of the bottom!
By the way, I notice that you are just up the road from me.

Think of it as a special sort of printer, because effectively that's how the computer treats it.  The blue pipe is for smoke extraction.
Yes....saw you at the Hayle Christmas show..........not that you would have known who I was  :beers:
(I was with Mike and James in the afternoon)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line - Royal Albert Bridge – 3 Laser cutting
Post by: Dizz on January 14, 2018, 07:34:20 PM
Once all the drawing is complete I group the various parts by material and lay them out to minimise wastage. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-140118192956.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60607)

Although there is a add-in for AutoCAD that allows me to send the drawing direct to the cutter I prefer to run through a further step of importing the vector drawings (*.dxf), applying laser settings and saving as a dedicated cutter file for the machine.  That way I have more control to be able to change laser settings on the day and select individual parts for cutting if required.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-140118193212.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60608)

As the ply and wood are natural products there is always a slight variation in density from sheet to sheet and even across the same sheet.  In addition the laser wavelength is attenuated by moisture in the atmosphere and as the light path from tube to material can vary by up to ~1100mm the laser power has to be slightly adjusted from job to job to get the best cutting results.  The machine is set for the laser to cut along the line and I always aim to use the minimum power required at a cutting speed fast enough to just produce a clean cut all the way through the material with a nice golden colour edge to the cut.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-140118193326.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60609)

As an aside and keeping it simple, there are 2 parameters under my control which will determine the quality of the cut: laser power and cut speed.  Ramping up the power increases the width of the cut, but higher powers greatly reduce laser tube life: it is not a straight line relationship either, there is an exponential factor. My laser has a nominal 60W tube (£480 to replace) and the anode current limit I apply is 22mA which equates to 73% power control setting.  At that power the tube should last around 1000 hours actual laser firing time.  If I ramp it up to 100% and 30mA I would be lucky to get an hour out of it.  Most of the work I do is between 25% and 38% (7-12mA) and hopefully that will equate to around a 10,000 hour life. 
Slowing the head speed allows more time for the beam to cut through, but it also means an overall wider cut, allows more time for the edges of the cut to be charred and on thicker material gives a slight coning angle to the edge (wider cut at the top).   
I have built up a table of settings for different thicknesses of different materials to use as a starter, but I always do a test cut on the day and adjust as required before starting a job.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line - Royal Albert Bridge – 4 Construction
Post by: Dizz on January 14, 2018, 07:51:59 PM
I admit that the way I decided to replicate the side suspension lattice work is not the most efficient use of the plywood with a lot of waste, but it is the easiest way of constructing the structure.  I also admit that having drawn it I knew how it was intended to go together so was able to crack on building without having to identify parts or get my head around any instructions.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-140118193929.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60613)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-140118193618.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60610)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-140118193725.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60611)

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If I remember correctly I think I was able to glue all the main components together in under 2 hours.  The glue was left to set overnight.  The next day I shaped the suspension beam to shape with a razor plane and assorted sanding tools.  I gave the balsa a couple of coats of sanding sealer and rubbed down then glued the main structure together.  I attached the deck with 1M x5mm screws so it is possible to disassemble if access to the track is needed.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-140118194854.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60615)

I sprayed my bridge with rattle-can grey primer, which I think is actually a little darker than the paint on the real one at the moment.  The “I K BRUNEL Engineer 1859” on the towers is etched by the laser and about 1mm deep.  I left the paint a few days to harden off properly then filled the lettering with light weight white model filler.  I left it 10 mins to start hardening then wiped over with a damp cloth to remove excess and get a nice crisp edge to the letters. 
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line - Royal Albert Bridge – 5 Wiring
Post by: Dizz on January 14, 2018, 08:09:25 PM
The bridge is located in place with brass furniture dowels as used for base board alignment. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-140118195500.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60616)

I realised that they were not suitable to also act as electrical connections and my first intention was to connect the bridge track to the DCC bus with a plug and socket hanging down below the deck.  However this did not seem to be a very neat solution and I came up with the idea of using copper pcb pads and phosphor-bronze spring clips.  I canned this idea because I couldn’t find any suitable metal and also the clips would stop the bridge from seating down properly on the supports.  Luckily though in my box of model aircraft spares I came across a canopy latch and it occurred to me that it would be ideal as a sprung electrical contact.  The canopy latches had dropper wires soldered to them and were epoxied into holes in the bridge supports at a suitable depth.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-140118195640.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60617)

I heavily tinned the pcb before I glued it to the underside of the bridge deck so there was a little “give” for the sprung pin to push into. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-140118200026.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60618)

When the bridge is pushed into place it sits down correctly on the supports and my multimeter shows zero resistance between the main tracks on either side.

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My track is pinned place, but I suppose it could have been glued.  One day I will get around to weathering the bridge and track.


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Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: weave on January 14, 2018, 10:13:02 PM
Hi,

All looks amazing. I will have to go back tomorrow when less Sundayed and can concentrate properly on what you've done.

Great stuff.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Mito on January 15, 2018, 10:23:55 PM
Fascinating! Something I would love to do but I have more than enough on my plate now. Can we have a photo of the bridge in position to be able to appreciate it in its entirety please?
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 15, 2018, 10:59:40 PM
I will get some photos tomorrow evening, in the mean time here is the only one I have on my phone.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-150118225807.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60646)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line - Royal Albert Bridge – 4 Construction
Post by: carlmt on January 16, 2018, 02:14:28 PM
I admit that the way I decided to replicate the side suspension lattice work is not the most efficient use of the plywood with a lot of waste, but it is the easiest way of constructing the structure.  I also admit that having drawn it I knew how it was intended to go together so was able to crack on building without having to identify parts or get my head around any instructions.

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If I remember correctly I think I was able to glue all the main components together in under 2 hours.  The glue was left to set overnight.  The next day I shaped the suspension beam to shape with a razor plane and assorted sanding tools.  I gave the balsa a couple of coats of sanding sealer and rubbed down then glued the main structure together.  I attached the deck with 1M x5mm screws so it is possible to disassemble if access to the track is needed.

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I sprayed my bridge with rattle-can grey primer, which I think is actually a little darker than the paint on the real one at the moment.  The “I K BRUNEL Engineer 1859” on the towers is etched by the laser and about 1mm deep.  I left the paint a few days to harden off properly then filled the lettering with light weight white model filler.  I left it 10 mins to start hardening then wiped over with a damp cloth to remove excess and get a nice crisp edge to the letters.


Fantastic work there!!!  And, having used AutoCAD for nigh-on 30 years and our laser-cutter for the past 3, I can very much appreciate what you have achieved. Lovely work!

One question if I may - what thickness of ply have you used for this, and what width have you left for the steel latticework on the sides of the bridge?  Did you have to double-up the sides to add strength or have you found the ply thick enough?

Carl
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Mito on January 16, 2018, 09:54:32 PM
Impressive :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 16, 2018, 10:14:03 PM
Fascinating! Something I would love to do but I have more than enough on my plate now. Can we have a photo of the bridge in position to be able to appreciate it in its entirety please?

Sorry for lateness....had power cuts and no internet down here this evening.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-160118221202.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60689)

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Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line - Royal Albert Bridge – 4 Construction
Post by: Dizz on January 16, 2018, 10:37:50 PM

Fantastic work there!!!  And, having used AutoCAD for nigh-on 30 years and our laser-cutter for the past 3, I can very much appreciate what you have achieved. Lovely work!

One question if I may - what thickness of ply have you used for this, and what width have you left for the steel latticework on the sides of the bridge?  Did you have to double-up the sides to add strength or have you found the ply thick enough?

Carl


Thank you
I used 1/32" (0.8mm), 1/16" (1.6mm) and 1/8" (3.2mm) birch ply and 1/16, 1/8 and 1/4 balsa for the suspension tube.  Widths of the iron work between 1.4mm and 6 mm and all from 1/32" ply.
The main lattice work and cross braces:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-160118222838.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60691)

Once that was glued together I added a further layer of 1/32" ply to cover the slots and bridge the central join:

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The thinnest I find I can cut without setting fire to the ply is 0.8mm (as drawn, so that is about 0.4mm ply remaining).
Had to play with the settings to successfully cut the ladders.

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The fence posts are also 0.8mm wide and from 1/32" ply, but I managed to put 3 x 0.15mm diameter holes down the middle with the laser for the wire to pass through.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-160118224739.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60694)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: carlmt on January 19, 2018, 09:15:42 PM
Thanks for the explanation!!

0.8mm wide is mighty thin but I agree with you that you run the risk of obliterating the work - I find that to get over that requires the power to be turned down, the speed increased a bit and then run the laser over the work 2 or three times to make the cut.

When I draw parts for our laser, I draw it all required size and then offset the lines 0.2mm to the side where the laser will 'follow'.  It appears that this kerf is consistent across all the materials I cut regardless of thickness.

Mightily impressed with your ladder and fence posts!!!!!!

Carl
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 20, 2018, 04:29:30 AM
If I have trouble with a harder bit of ply and need more power to cut through I use that technique as well. If I am doing a window ( or ladders) I adjust the cutting order so the laser doesn't do the adjacent cut straight after to give the ply chance to cool before being hit again. My machine has something called "air assist" which blows air onto the cut point. It is mainly to blow the fumes away so the laser doesn't get attenuated but it also helps reduce charring that leads to setting fire to the work.
Am pretty sure my laser control software doesn't have the ability to offset the cut. If it does its not obvious......judging how other features are named there is alot lost in translation  :confused1:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line - Remaining two walls
Post by: Dizz on January 26, 2018, 11:42:08 AM
Been a busy week so not achieved very much again, but back to intentions for the layout now the track is down………………

I am splitting up the mainline run into different scenic sections separated by high ground and tunnels.  This adds variety cuts the scenic work up into bite size chunks.

In Torbay the line to Kingswear leaves Churston and after about a mile runs through Greenway Tunnel before emerging close to the River Dart, so once clear of the station limits on my layout the track disappears into a tunnel in the same way.  (Probably wont use the wing walls).
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/4918-260118113529.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61086)

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Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 26, 2018, 11:56:36 AM
The next section will be based on the line between Dawlish and Teignmouth so when it emerges from under the scenic break it will be from Parson’s Tunnel and will then run between red sandstone cliffs and the sea wall (laser cut from 3mm MDF). 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/4918-260118115205.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61089)

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At the end of the sweeping curve it passes through another tunnel based on the entrance at the west end of Dawlish Station.  I know the geography is all wrong but Rule 1 again!!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/4918-260118115409.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61091)

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To protect the track from splashes etc from the sink there will be a 2 foot lift out high ground section and the tunnel exit is a representation of Marley West tunnel portal (between Totnes and South Brent).

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Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: carlmt on January 26, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
Tunnel portals on your laser I take it?
I have seen stone and brickwork done this way quite a few times now and I have always been very impressed with how they have turned out.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 26, 2018, 12:20:15 PM
Tunnel portals on your laser I take it?
I have seen stone and brickwork done this way quite a few times now and I have always been very impressed with how they have turned out.
Yes, turn the power down and the speed up.  Takes a while to do but still fascinating to watch!   :D
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 26, 2018, 10:50:25 PM
If I have got it right this should be some video of the laser in action. just click on this link:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 26, 2018, 10:55:47 PM
The YouTube link above seems to work for me, so here is another video  :claphappy:
Title: April Update
Post by: Dizz on April 27, 2018, 12:02:58 PM
Had a bit of distraction in February going in to March with the loss of my old boy Guinness with a tumour and then off to Crufts with Brian where he got first in his class  :D
However I have been back on it for the last 5 weeks now, making slow but steady progress.  I have been running a reasonable range of different locos and stock to test my track laying.  A few snags have been discovered in Churston and corrected: am now pretty happy with 75% of the run around the man cave and am moving in to the “scenic phase”.
The bad/cold weather did expose an issue with the bridge location method in that the doorway became 2mm wider!!! I tried various ways of introducing some flexibility in the fixed track either side but have decided to enlarge the locating holes into “slots” and use some metal canopy latches to lock the bridge in place.

Before I show progress I’ll finish off describing the remainder of the layout

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Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on April 27, 2018, 12:29:43 PM
Excellent!  (‘Triffic work, Brian)
Title: The Tora Bora Line - Remaining two walls
Post by: Dizz on April 27, 2018, 12:43:30 PM
After Sink Tunnel the track then makes the corner where a generic bit of scenery with a small Tor will fill the dead space in the apex of the curve and then onto Royal Albert Bridge.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4918-100118113924.jpeg)
Landing in Cornwall there is a double junction to create two semi-hidden storage loops between sweeping S curves and the shed wall. 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/4918-270418123731.jpeg)
These curves are inspired by the line between Liskeard and Bodmin Parkway running along the Glynn valley past Trago Mills and will be backed by some wooded raised ground (to help hide the storage loops).
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A final turn contains the junction for the other end of the storage loops and a derelict Cornish tin mine engine and compressor houses.  The line then runs into another tunnel mouth, this time based on the one to the east of Redruth station platforms.
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A final turn contains the junction for the other end of the storage loops and a derelict Cornish tin mine engine and compressor houses.  The line then runs into another tunnel mouth, this time based on the one to the east of Redruth station platforms.  The main lines then continues hidden from view behind the Brixham station back scene boards on Woodland Scenics foam track underlay (everything else is laid on 1mm cork) until they emerge once more from under the road bridge at Churston.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on April 27, 2018, 01:01:24 PM
I wanted to tidy up the track bed edge so cut 3mm ply strips which were glued and screwed I place. Grey primer/undercoat and finished with satin black.  Makes quite a difference t the appearance imho.  Have done from the door all the way around to Churston to start with.

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Back scene boards also cut from 3mm ply.  Am annoyed with myself for not adding them when I did the initial wood work for the track bed shelves.
Boards only roughly laid out in these photos.  I used 2 layers of 1.5 MDF in the corners.

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Title: Other jobs
Post by: Dizz on April 27, 2018, 01:19:31 PM
In between times Churston points have been wired using a DCC Concepts ADS-8FX decoder.  I have to say I’m very impressed with this piece of kit; dead easy to set up, the CDUs have plenty of power to throw 2 solenoids in parallel and has built-in output to drive route indicating LEDs.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/4918-270418124621.jpeg)

With around 40m of track to ballast I needed something to make the task a little less tedious so designed my own spreader.  All laser cut and “tunned” to give a decent result on peco code 55 track.  This is the result before any tidying-up with a brush.

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Have also had a small production line running casting rock face for the cliffs.

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And finally for now...........am dead chuffed with the new NGS Car Flats, so they have been out on "test runs"  ::) quite a few times too.

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Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Mito on April 27, 2018, 09:01:21 PM
The spreader is doing a good job. A photo of it if possible. I think you could set up a small business making them. Congratulations on getting best of breed. I hope he had a little extra in his bowl that night!
Title: Re: April Update
Post by: Train Waiting on April 28, 2018, 08:02:10 PM

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Well done, Brian - congratulations!

Fleet Air Arm?

Best Wishes.

John
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on May 01, 2018, 11:47:04 AM
The spreader is doing a good job. A photo of it if possible. I think you could set up a small business making them. Congratulations on getting best of breed. I hope he had a little extra in his bowl that night!

He did...he usually gets a treat after shows regardless :)


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2mm Persepex. First version onthe right let out too much ballast and didn't sit on the rails very well; edges kept catching on the track rail chars.
Version 2 with smaller slots better positioned wrt the sleepers with an extra step cut to clear the chairs.  When the ply wears out simple case of gluing a new part over the top.

Title: Re: April Update
Post by: Dizz on May 01, 2018, 11:56:59 AM
Well done, Brian - congratulations!

Fleet Air Arm?

Best Wishes.

John

Good spot  :thumbsup: ..............yes, retired 2 1/2 years ago now but still carry the corporate branding  :D
Title: Back Boards
Post by: Dizz on May 01, 2018, 12:08:57 PM
The back boards were given two coats of matt varnish (rubbing down before each application) to seal the surface.  An inch or so of the top edge was sprayed with white primer.  I decided to use Peco Medium back scene sheets and these have been applied using DeLuxe Materials Back Scene adhesive.  I don’t have any experience of using anything else as this is the first time I have made any back scenes, but I’m very impressed with the product and the results I have obtained.
Back scene sheets have been glued on from the door all the way around to Churston station.

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Title: Lift-Out Section
Post by: Dizz on May 01, 2018, 02:57:16 PM
The track running behind the sink is pretty vulnerable to all sorts of splashes and general crud so I wanted to add some protection in the form of a Lift out tunnel section.
I made the scale-ish tunnel mouths a while ago based on Kennaway Tunnel at Dawlish and Marley Tunnel between Totnes and South Brent. 

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Space is fairly tight and I spend a while sketching out various solutions before settling on what I am doing now.  Lots of measurements and test pieces before laser cutting the first bits from 4mm ply

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Only being held together by 2 narrow glued edges the structure was fairly fragile.  Had to pack and blue tac other parts in place whilst checking alignment.

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With the sides in the correct positions I took measurements and made cross members to fit the gap.

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Title: Lift-Out Section 2
Post by: Dizz on May 01, 2018, 03:06:55 PM
I had already cut locating slots in the back wall ready for the cross-members and once they were glued in place everything became much stiffer and more manageable.  Uprights tacked in place to give an indication of intended ground level.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/4918-010518113241.jpeg)

I could then take a look at positioning Dawlish tunnel mouth and fettling the joint for a good fit/clearances.

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Title: Lift-Out Section 3
Post by: Dizz on May 01, 2018, 03:54:41 PM
With the main bit of the tunnel steadied up I could think about how the end was going to mate with the cliffs.  More measuring and cardboard trial pieces leading to the plywood parts. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/4918-010518113502.jpeg)

Was then able to measure widths and add more formers to strengthen the area further.  Have also cut some ply parts to make the edge for the lift-out section to butt up against to use idc.  This whole area is now very strong and shouldn’t twist when the plaster bandage goes on.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/4918-010518113544.jpeg)

Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: DaveGlew on May 01, 2018, 06:16:21 PM
Neat job!
Title: Lift-Out Section 4
Post by: Dizz on May 02, 2018, 10:56:39 AM
Added some fillets in the corners to further strengthen and extended the mouth wall back to the back.  Made some cardboard templates of the tunnel roof at either end running as far back as will be visible with the section in place and then transferred the shapes to ACAD.  Roofs laser cut from 0.4m (1/64”) ply with the grain running in the correct direction to help follow the curve.  When I was happy with positioning and with the tunnel positively located in position I ran glue around the formers where they touched the lining.

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Title: Lift-Out Section 5
Post by: Dizz on May 02, 2018, 11:08:13 AM
Added some internal doublers (am paranoid about it warping when the plaster is applied) and some 6mm (1/4”) balsa strips around the top edges to tack the plaster bandage to.  Last thing was to add the tunnel mouth wing at the bridge end. 

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Now ready for some contour formers and the ground cover.

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Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Mito on May 02, 2018, 09:20:20 PM
Looking excellent. Improves the look of the sink as well! :)
I think a laser cutter has to go on my wish list but a bit of homework first.
Title: Lift-Out Section 6
Post by: Dizz on May 03, 2018, 10:09:47 AM
Having seen a good review on Simon’s Shed and after watching the Woodland Scenics video I decided to give Shaper Sheet a go.  Have to say it is very easy to bend/cut/fold/mold to the desired shape.  I trialled gluing an offcut to balsa and ply with thick cyano and that seemed to work so I carried on and fixed the sheet to the tunnel section.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/4918-030518100641.jpeg)

Mixed up the plaster iaw instructions and applied with a spoon and scraper blade.  Used masking tape all around the perimeter to stop the plaster slurry running down over the sides and tunnel mouths. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/4918-030518100742.jpeg)

When the plaster had set it only needed a quick sanding to clean up the edges.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/4918-030518100847.jpeg)
Title: Lift-Out Section 7
Post by: Dizz on May 03, 2018, 10:13:24 AM
To fill the valley gap at the right hand end I pasted a spare hill to the back board.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/4918-030518101031.jpeg)

Gave it a quick coat of Woodland Scenics base colours to see what it looked like in situ, but I should have waited much longer as the plaster is still damp and the paint isn’t drying.  Will now leave it a couple of days to thoroughly dry out.

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Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: sp1 on May 03, 2018, 03:34:35 PM
Ah... the little known Peco Australian backscenes.. ;)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Mito on May 03, 2018, 08:37:51 PM
Ah... the little known Peco Australian backscenes.. ;)
It's not upside down. :doh:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: sp1 on May 03, 2018, 11:52:11 PM
Ah... the little known Peco Australian backscenes.. ;)
It's not upside down. :doh:
It is at this end
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on May 04, 2018, 11:46:31 AM
Right way up for me too.............and in My Gallery
Title: Sea Wall Cliffs 1
Post by: Dizz on May 09, 2018, 03:01:23 PM
Made a start on Teignmouth cliffs but I gave the whole length of back scene a coat of matt varnish first (to make cleaning easier). 
4mm ply rear formers to define the skyline working along in 4mm ply sections 500mm long.  2 x 4mm ply strips glued along the bottom edge to effectively make a L-Section girder: nice and stiff/strong. I could see it was going to be very difficult to work on it as one piece so I separated the end tunnel from the cliffs.  Am glad I did that as I am now able to work on much more manageable parts on the bench and avoid getting plaster and paint on the back scene.

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Title: Parsons Tunnel 1
Post by: Dizz on May 09, 2018, 04:04:22 PM
I made the Parsons and Greenway tunnel mouths several months ago on the laser cutter.  Aligned the mouths centrally on the track with a ply template and built the tunnel up around that.  All very rough and ready inside, but going for strength again and no-one will see it when finished anyway.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-090518155810.jpeg)

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Title: Parsons Tunnel 2
Post by: Dizz on May 09, 2018, 04:09:11 PM
Molded rock faces cut and sand easily with a razor saw and coarse Permagrit bar. Bit of shaper sheet and plaster above Greenway tunnel mouth.  Gaps filled and a final wipe over with a foam sanding pad.  Am very pleased with how it looks so far.

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(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-090518160845.jpeg)
Title: Sea Wall Cliffs 2
Post by: Dizz on May 09, 2018, 04:20:31 PM
A single length of `Shaper Sheet was clamped between the upright former and doublers and roughly bent/trimmed to shape. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-090518161646.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-090518161747.jpeg)

Cast Plaster cliff rocks glued to scrap ply and glued in turn to the rear profile structure to follow the curve of the tracks, leaving an area for a signal box.  Once I had completed approx 50% of the length I wanted to lock everything in place so the Shaper sheet was bent to fit up close to the cliffs and tack glued to the moldings.  I started applying the plaster slurry and as I progressed Assorted additional rock faces were added using the plaster as the adhesive.  When dry the edges were filled with more plaster to get rid of any gaps.  Cliff section is about 40% built now, but I am away for the next week so unfortunately another break in progress coming up.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-090518161836.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Mito on May 09, 2018, 09:03:55 PM
That laser cutter is a very useful tool. Great modeling and bomb proof too!
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on May 14, 2018, 01:53:19 PM
Back to it and last night finished the cliffs, just the join lnes with the tunnel sections left to tidy up and then it will be painting time.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-140518133800.jpeg)

Obviously had to have a test run by to see what it looks like ;)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-140518134244.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-140518134441.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-140518134638.jpeg)
Title: Re-seating Albert Bridge
Post by: Dizz on May 18, 2018, 10:54:54 AM
The door gap measurement has altered over the winter and the bridge wasn’t seating properly on the supports (pushed up by the electrical contact springs).  To over-come this I have had to introduce some form of locking mechanism in the form of sliding ply plates on the underside, tapered to pull the deck down tight to the supports.  Added bonus in that the track aligns better than it ever did before with the positive location.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-180518105201.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-180518105249.jpeg)
Title: Time for some paint
Post by: Dizz on May 18, 2018, 12:02:59 PM
Followed the “Leopard Spot” method for painting rocks demonstrated in several You Tube videos.  I did try it out on a test piece first; glad I did because it took several different paint applications to get a result I was happy with. I used Yellow ochre and concrete as my secondary colours and burnt umber as the dominant colour with burnt umber/yellow ochre overall wash as the accenting colour.  The colour reproduction of the cliffs and tunnel mouths in the books and downloaded photos I have are all different, so have applied Rule One wrt my sandstone colour.  Am going to give it a few days before I decide whether to use any dark grey wash in the cracks, etc to further pick out texture.  For the time being here is the result with earth base coat applied to track bed and cliff tops (no surprise that the phone camera/shed lighting has also altered the colours slightly).  Will look fine once there is some grass and foliage.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-180518115659.jpeg)

And with some obligatory trains:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-180518115819.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-180518115851.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-180518115948.jpeg)
Title: More paint
Post by: Dizz on May 31, 2018, 04:29:27 PM
In the end it took several coats of different colour washes to reach a reasonable sand stone colour.  The tunnel mouths and walls were painted as required and also received some basic weathering washes, then the areas destined for foliage cover were painted earth colour.  Ground cover built up through many applications of different colour/size scenic material.   Cliff section next.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-310518162137.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-310518162210.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-310518162235.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-310518162422.jpeg)
Title: Sea Wall
Post by: Dizz on June 01, 2018, 09:54:15 AM
Sea wall laser cut from 2mm MDF. Easily curved and glued to the balsa track bed.  Joints disguised with 0.4mm ply pillars.  Will add a 1/8” balsa promenade and 0.8mm ply capping stones idc.  Everything dry brushed with various stone colours and fixed with airbrushed matt varnish.
Knocked up a base for the signal box to stand on too.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-010618094746.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on June 01, 2018, 10:00:16 AM
With approx 50 metres of visible track to paint, ballast and weather I have been putting off the task for as long as I could using the excuse of wanting to fully check that my track laying was up to spec first.  However the best way to tackle a big job like this is to make it lots of smaller bite-sized chunks tasks, so I have made a start on the section from Churston to the bridge.........which is good as that covers the cliff section am working on :D
First Airbrush rails with sleeper grime.
Before:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-010618094254.jpeg)
After
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-010618094319.jpeg)
Well worth the effort  :)
NB how the solder blob for the dropper has been "lost"
Title: Sea Wall Cliffs 3
Post by: Dizz on June 01, 2018, 10:50:38 AM
Applied some mixed fine turf as a base layer along the top of the cliffs and some ledges.  When the glue had dried I applied mixed static grass (various colours in 1.5, 2.0 and 2.5 mm lengths) using an el-cheapo battery powered static grass applicator from china (to be fair it worked very well).
Applicator:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-010618104240.jpeg)

Before
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-010618104459.jpeg)
 
After, spot the difference???
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-010618104521.jpeg)

Doesn’t look like much in that photo does it? However, to the naked eye it looks good.  If I zoom in…..
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-010618104615.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-010618104922.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4918-010618104743.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Mito on June 01, 2018, 08:31:12 PM
The static grass looks good. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on June 06, 2018, 04:50:01 PM
Added a little 4 mm grass in a few patches fixed using WWS layering spray.  Built up the brush areas with assorted scenic materials to match in with what I did on the tunnels.  With this section largely complete I was able to fix it to the baseboard.
Panoramic shot along the sea wall:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/4918-060618164100.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on June 07, 2018, 09:00:07 AM
Had to do some more testing just to make sure the paint had been cleaned off the rail tops ok  ;)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/4918-070618085436.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: GreyWolf on June 07, 2018, 07:57:01 PM
That's a very impressive rock face! And the sea wall is looking good. Did you mention what the signal hut was - might have missed it.

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on June 08, 2018, 12:44:58 PM
That's a very impressive rock face! And the sea wall is looking good. Did you mention what the signal hut was - might have missed it.

Cheers  :beers:

Thank you.
I don't think I have said anything about the signal box: I think it is an old Kestrel plastic kit I made years ago when I started the Brixham boards.  I still have to weather it  before fixing in place.  I also need to make the promenade walkway alongside the wall and complete the scenic blending of the cliffs to the base board, etc, etc.
I know I have the wrong style of Signal Box there, but I might as well make use of it.  The intention is to reflect this:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/4918-080618172057.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66199)
(Photo: David Marriott from Rails Along the Sea Wall by Peter Kay)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on July 12, 2018, 05:14:20 PM
Been making steady progress since the last update: been away every weekend so only manage a couple evenings a week in the man cave.
Main cliffs were properly blended to the track bed with filler in the joint line
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-120718170157.jpeg)
More paint
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-120718170305.jpeg)
A bit of elevation variation:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-120718170337.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-120718170359.jpeg)
Scatter/static grass/scenic material
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-120718170440.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on July 12, 2018, 05:30:15 PM
Learnt a lesson wrt what order to do things in whilst ballasting the cliff section.  In future will ballast first then add line-side scenic materials.
Anyway, corner section was next with ground colour base coats
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-120718171636.jpeg)
Then ballast followed by fine and coarse turf
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-120718171700.jpeg)
Before I add the static grass and trees I want to add fencing.

Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on July 12, 2018, 05:56:22 PM
To make the promenade by the sea wall I needed to get the curve of the mdf wall.  I laid sheets of A4 paper along the top of the wall and rubbed a pencil along the top.  This gave me the shape and also the position of the columns.
I scanned the sheets then traced the line in AutoCAD.  From that line I was able to generate laser cutter files for the capping stones (1/32" ply) and the pavements (1/16" balsa)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-120718173357.jpeg)
It was then a question of trimming to length and general fettling to fit. Packed to height with scrap balsa. Front edge filled with polyfilla.  painted with assorted washes of the relevant colour and some use of weathering powders
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-120718173603.jpeg)
Looking at the photos of the sea wall I have made mine a little darker than it is in reality............am not going to change it though!!!!
Sand from the beach to make the beach!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-120718173641.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-120718173722.jpeg)

Next task is to make the fencing for the corner leading to the Bridge.  I already have laser cut the wooden fencing for the outside, so just some holes to drill/clean up/glue fence in place.  However I want to make a wire fence for the inside.....approx 40" long...........approx 85 fence posts = 255 holes to thread the wire through  :'(
will get the fence posts cut this evening
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on July 12, 2018, 06:30:07 PM
That’s all looking very tidy indeed.
I think the colour of the cliffs is just fine but I don’t envy youmaking that fence. The best of luck to you.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: crewearpley40 on July 12, 2018, 06:43:53 PM
did dawlish inspire you  ?
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Caz on July 12, 2018, 07:48:17 PM
Even more great modelling on this 'ere forum.  Laser cutters seem the way to go, you've achieved some superb results.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: chrispearce on July 12, 2018, 08:37:42 PM
Speaking as a West Country Boy there be a certain beauty in this 'ere model.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Mito on July 12, 2018, 09:04:45 PM
It looks very good indeed. :thumbsup:
One question, what is the rating of the laser you use? A laser cutter is on my wish list but at the moment don't know enough about them.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Newportnobby on July 12, 2018, 09:47:53 PM
Excellent piece of terraforming work. Well done to you.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on July 13, 2018, 06:42:23 PM
Thanks all. I haven't done any scenic work before but I work with Michael Hatton and he has been an excellent tutor  :beers:
Yes this section is based on the line between Parsons tunnel and Teignmouth..........except I have messed with the geography and put Dawlish tunnel at the Teignmouth end.
I have a Chinese 60 Watt laser (nominal).  Took ages and v frustrating to set up properly, but I use it quite a lot now it is up and running.
I have made a bit of progress on the corner this afternoon and threaded 100+ fence posts on to the first length of wire: photos later tonight :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on July 13, 2018, 06:55:52 PM
Mike Hatton produces some amazing work.
If he is your tutor, you can’t go wrong.
Hopefully see you at the Hayle  August show where both Mike and I will have layouts.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 13, 2018, 10:21:27 PM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign: Excellent modelling, looking great  :thumbsup:
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on July 16, 2018, 09:02:30 PM
Sorry it has taken a couple days for the photos.... been away at 2 dog shows with Brian and Buffy

Ballasted corner area with ground cover, static grass and wooden lineside fencing
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-160718205244.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-160718205553.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-160718205741.jpeg)

Some rocks at Parsons Tunnel end of the beach
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-160718205903.jpeg)

Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on July 16, 2018, 09:12:58 PM
Gratuitous self indulgent photos:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-160718210411.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-160718210548.jpeg)

Brian... with his rosettes from this weekend (because I can :P)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-160718211025.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-160718211138.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: chrispearce on July 16, 2018, 09:46:53 PM
I've seen train pics like those last 2 before. The only difference was they were 1:1 scale. :-[

Excellent work Dizz. :thumbsup:
Title: The Tora Bora Line....Wire Fencing
Post by: Dizz on July 19, 2018, 11:48:18 AM
Attempt 1 with 100+ fence posts on 0.3mm wire :worried: :confused1::
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-190718114358.jpeg)
That first go at making a metre of fencing was going well until I tried threading the third wire through the posts.  A couple of kinks developed and the wire broke when I tried to straighten them.  However I now have 2 lengths approx 400 and 600 mm long ready for future use somewhere else.

I tried a different method for the second attempt using fishing weights and elastic bands to keep tension on the wires to stop curling/kinking.  This has worked much better  :)
Now it is a case of evenly spacing the posts and locking them in place on the wires with some thin CA wicked into the holes.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-190718110116.jpeg)
Approx 8 hours work so far on both attempts and I'm not finished yet  :'(
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line....Wire Fencing
Post by: Newportnobby on July 19, 2018, 03:51:34 PM

Approx 8 hours work so far on both attempts and I'm not finished yet  :'(

A labour of love but I reckon it will look really good
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line....Wire Fencing
Post by: Mito on July 19, 2018, 09:12:18 PM

Approx 8 hours work so far on both attempts and I'm not finished yet  :'(

A labour of love but I reckon it will look really good
Agreed. Is compulsive threading treatable? :laugh3:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line....Wire Fencing
Post by: Newportnobby on July 19, 2018, 09:35:04 PM

Approx 8 hours work so far on both attempts and I'm not finished yet  :'(

A labour of love but I reckon it will look really good
Agreed. Is compulsive threading treatable? :laugh3:

Yes, but it involves many hypodeemic nerdles :worried:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on July 20, 2018, 05:38:24 PM
Taa-daah.
Finished. another 2 hours and 1.1m of wire fence ready to go
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-200718173141.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-200718173439.jpeg)

I'm also pleased to say that compulsive threading is in fact treatable  :D
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-200718173638.jpeg)
Now just have to drill lots of shallow holes for the posts to sit in.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Mito on July 20, 2018, 09:36:18 PM
I presume the contents are lubricants for the drill? ???
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line....Wire Fencing
Post by: chrispearce on July 23, 2018, 12:10:31 AM
Attempt 1 with 100+ fence posts on 0.3mm wire :worried: :confused1::
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-190718114358.jpeg)


Is that an R/C EDF jet hanging in the background?
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on July 23, 2018, 11:43:12 AM
It is indeed Chris.  My other hobby is model aircraft flying, although it has taken a back seat recently. 
That Electra is basically a BVM Bandit look-a-like.  Small and fast an 4S; have only flown it once and it got too small too quickly!   :goggleeyes:
To the right is an Estes V2 model rocket  ;)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on July 23, 2018, 12:50:04 PM
A touch more airbrushed rail weathering before fitting the fence and a short length of stone wall leading to the bridge.
Am happy with the effect.  Some more foliage required tonight.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-230718124135.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-230718124223.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-230718124313.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on August 02, 2018, 09:38:14 PM
Been a busy 10 days, but still managed a bit of work on the railway.
Had 4 days away to Leeds over the weekend for a Championship Dog Show with Brian: the boy did well, won Limit dog and went on to be awarded the Dog Challenge Certificate!!  :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-020818211506.jpeg)
Added some trees and bushes around the corner.  Think I can declare that section "done" (for the time being  ;) )
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-020818212519.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on August 02, 2018, 09:46:26 PM
At Parsons Tunnel I needed to add a WW2 pill box.
Drew something up based on a few photos and laser cut from 1.5mm and 3mm mdf
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-020818211544.jpeg)
Glued and sanded, painted with Woodland Scenics concrete top coat
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-020818211610.jpeg)
Dark earth and smoke weathering powders. Sprayed with clear matt varnish. Life colour Blue grey dry brush.  Test fit in position:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-020818211907.jpeg)
Glued in place, stones and scenic material built up:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-020818212249.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on August 02, 2018, 09:52:22 PM
This is what I'm after:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-020818212736.jpeg)
Am happy with the result:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-020818212832.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Newportnobby on August 02, 2018, 09:58:28 PM
You're capturing the prototype very well.
Brian looks very proud of his rosettes :D
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: RailGooner on August 02, 2018, 10:31:59 PM
I'd say you've got it Dizz. :thumbsup:

 :wonderfulmodelling: :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on August 09, 2018, 07:21:09 PM
Another weekend away showing with the boy....3rd CC and Show Champion (subject to KC confirmation) on Saturday and a Reserve CC on Sunday. So proud and pleased with Brian
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-090818190307.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67982)
Anyway, back to model railways!
Had a successful afternoon in the man cave.  Have made a start on the next section: my take on Churston Station. Need to get the road bridge in first so had a trial fit.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-090818190618.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67983)
Needed a few tweaks, then developed a CAd drawing and cutter files for the laser.  Set of parts
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-090818190740.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67984)
Bits glued together with Mitre Fast Cyano and Aliphatic


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-090818190930.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67985)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-090818190953.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67986)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-090818191020.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67987)
Ready for painting
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-090818191109.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67988)
In situ... side clearances good but need to raise it up a couple mm, that's a very easy job with a couple bits of ply packing though
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-090818191238.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67989)
The original stone bridge
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-090818191509.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67990)
And my ply and mdf version.  The left arch is wider because I have added an extra point leading to a semi-hidden storage loop (the Virgin HST is on it in the photo above).
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-090818191811.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67991)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/4918-090818194410.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67992)

On holiday for 2 weeks now, so another gap in progress I'm afraid
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on September 18, 2018, 10:03:01 PM
Been a busy few weeks with very little shed time, but did manages to complete a few minor jobs never-the-less.
Churston Bridge has been painted and is ready to plant.  Can now make everything around it fit in place
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-180918210817.jpeg)

Back scene board transition has been made.  The rectangular hole will be hidden behind an embankment on the fuel depot board.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-180918210650.jpeg)

I have glued together plastic Peco platform edging and have started painting/weathering before gluing to the baseboard.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-180918210727.jpeg)

And finally whilst away I was able to build some NGS wagon kits. Have finished 5 Loriot D and have 4 Mica B plus 6 GPV wagons awaiting transfers.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-180918213947.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on September 19, 2018, 08:15:09 AM
Looking good Dizz and good to meet you at Hayle Show a few weeks back with Mike.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on September 21, 2018, 10:10:15 AM
Had a play with the laser settings and managed to produce some GWR platform seats.  That end logo is under 2mm in diameter
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-210918100629.jpeg) 
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Newportnobby on September 21, 2018, 10:25:28 AM
Had a play with the laser settings and managed to produce some GWR platform seats.  That end logo is under 2mm in diameter
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-210918100629.jpeg[/url])


 :goggleeyes: :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on September 21, 2018, 12:13:15 PM
:goggleeyes: :goggleeyes:

Yes, my eyes were like that after making 20 seats!!  :)
I made a jig to hold the ends and used fine-tipped tweezers to position/glue the "planks". Unfortunately the GWR will be lost when they are painted.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on October 09, 2018, 12:52:52 PM
More slow progress: have not had a free weekend for quite a while now, however I have been able to work on more NGS wagon models ( 6 x GWR GPV and 4 Mica B) whilst I was away from the man-cave.  Just waiting on transfers to arrive and I will then put some photos up.  I also made up and painted Peco Platform edging into appropriate lengths ready to be glued to the base board. Another job I was able to finish was repairing some broken rails on a few Dapol Dogfish wagons.  This proved to be rather frustrating and took far longer than anticipated. 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-091018122600.jpeg)
First task was to make a bending jig using the laser:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-091018122359.jpeg)
0.3mm diameter wire bent to shape. 0.8mm square plastic rod with 0.3mm diameter holes drilled in the ends.  Glued in place with very little thick cyano and painted.  Close up picture doesn't do the repair justice because it actually looks very good in your hand; not that it matters when they are hidden inside a rake anyway!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-091018123257.jpeg)

Last week I repainted the rails along the sea wall with sleeper grime and then moved on to do the rails in the Churston Station area.  The paint was allowed to harden off over the weekend then last night I cleaned up the tops of the rails and made a start on gluing down the platform edging.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-091018123636.jpeg)
Am working from the rear to the front, continually checking clearance with HST Mk3 coaches (these have the largest lateral over-hangs) as I glue the edging down 10 cm at a time.  I have slightly enlarged the cattle dock to hold more wagons that it did in reality.  ...........And yes I know the picture shows different coaches. I run them past the platform and through the points too as a double check
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-091018124515.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-091018124621.jpeg)
Should be able to get the Up platform and Brixham Bay fitted tonight and then I can start ballasting.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on October 09, 2018, 12:56:06 PM
Not sure if this photo will work on the forum.  If it doesn't I will delete the post.
A panoramic view of the Up platform and cattle dock............
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-091018125534.jpeg)
Long enough to accept 8 Mk3 coaches with the HST power cars overhanging the ramps.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on October 10, 2018, 12:09:21 PM
Got the Down platform glued in place last night but didn't feel like doing any ballasting. 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-101018111843.jpeg)
I am using something called "Mitre Glue" which is a thick, clear product similar to thick cyano.  It allows a good minute of wriggle time but goes off in 5 seconds with a squirt of the accelerator that comes with it.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-101018111929.jpeg)
Now to finalise the Bay platform. 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-101018112011.jpeg)
I have deliberately left plenty of track to exceed the 14xx and 2 autocoaches after the point shown in this 1950s photo taken from the road bridge.  However, I don't want to loose the "character" and general arrangement of the station by making it too long as I have already taken quite a few modeller's liberties with the plan already.  Will check what will fit on Brixham platform and take it from there.

Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on October 11, 2018, 01:40:29 PM
As the layout is based on various places/features in South Devon and Cornwall I have named different sections.  I thought I would try making some small name plates just to see what they would look like as a finishing touch once the valance has been painted:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-111018133042.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-111018133624.jpeg)
Kennaton from Kennaway Tunnel at Dawlish and Dainton Tunnel west of Newton Abbot.  Greenson from Greenaway Tunnel between Churston and Kingswear and Parsons Tunnel  near Teignmouth.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on October 12, 2018, 11:50:32 AM
Platform edges all done. Brixham station platform can take 4 mk1s so that's how long I have made the bay.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-121018113057.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/4918-121018113019.jpeg)
The weather down here is forecast to be atrocious for the next 24+ hours, so plenty of time in the man-cave coming up  :) :thumbsup:
Title: Churston Bridge update
Post by: Dizz on November 01, 2018, 11:22:23 PM
Made up some footings from plywood strips and provide a flat base for the bridge.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/4918-011118231051.png)
I want to be able to remove the bridge "just in case".  Am happy with the fit.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/4918-011118231150.png)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on November 01, 2018, 11:27:49 PM
Next section of back scene pasted to the board.  When dry I could cut the paper easily and opened up the hole for the lines to pass through.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/4918-011118231226.png)
This slot will be disguised with a wooded spit of high ground and the road bridge
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/4918-011118231313.png)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on November 01, 2018, 11:39:09 PM
Have made a strip of scenery to go along the back board and some raised ground at the end of the cattle dock.  Lots of platform supports in place.........plenty more to add yet. Quite a lot of ballasting has been completed: main lines from the bridge to the end of the platforms and the loop to the corner.  I am very wary of messing up the points (not ballasted points before) so take about 6 sessions to add ballast to each one so I only use the minimum of pva mix at one time in case I need to take corrective action.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/4918-011118231343.png)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/4918-011118231428.png)
This evening I made a start on making the platform surfaces so more to show after the weekend I hope. :wave:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on November 04, 2018, 09:40:20 PM
Made paper templates which I then scanned, traced in autocad and cut from 1/32" ply on the laser
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-041118213503.png)

Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on November 04, 2018, 09:46:41 PM
Been a busy Saturday and Sunday but manage to do some landscaping on the corner.
Laminated 1/4" balsa to rough shape
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-041118213333.png)
Attacked/carved to shape, filled where required with polyfiller and sanded
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-041118213402.png)
WS green, earth and stone grey undercoat.  Left to dry overnight, will start with the scatter, etc tomorrow
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-041118213436.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on November 04, 2018, 09:50:16 PM
Dapol GWR Mk3 coaches arrived yesterday: worth the wait  :D
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/4918-281018212916.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 04, 2018, 11:19:01 PM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign:  Thanks for the updates Dizz, nice progress & the HST set looking superb
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on November 05, 2018, 02:29:33 PM
:hellosign:   :greatpicturessign:  Thanks for the updates Dizz, nice progress & the HST set looking superb
     regards Derek.
Thanks, I am very pleased with the GWR set. For me Dapol has captured the looks of this 125 livery very well indeed.  Totally outside my intended 1943-1963 modelling period, but I have a thing for HSTs and Rule 1!!  :)
I ran it in on DC last week and have now fitted a Zimo MX648 sound card (from You Choos) in the dummy power car and a DC23 in the motor car.  I would prefer to get the sound chip in the driven power car because it has some neat motor control and additional lighting features, but I just can't see how to achieve it; simply not enough free space.
Going to have a clear up this evening and hopefully get some video of the HST running along the sea wall that I can post on here.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Newportnobby on November 05, 2018, 03:27:47 PM
The GWR livery is classy. Green diesels rule!
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on November 16, 2018, 09:28:49 AM
Didnt think I had achieved very much over the last 2 weeks until I saw the photos I posted on the 4th.....
The balsa embankments are now done, all the remaining track in that area has been ballasted and last night I finished getting a 1/32" ply surface down on the up platform:
 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-161118090701.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71545)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-161118090816.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71546)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-161118091214.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71547)
When I say "done" I mean the basic scenic work is complete: next task will be to make 2m of wire fence to run all the way around the outside from Tunnel to Road bridge...........will attack it in 0.5m sections to avoid frustration.  Intention will then be to add a few small trees at the apex of the corner and some bushes/under brush along the fence line. 
In the mean time am developing a plan for how to tackle the area to the left of the down platform in this photo.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Innovationgame on November 16, 2018, 02:53:56 PM
I don't know why Thank You is locked but that is the message I am getting.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Newportnobby on November 16, 2018, 04:12:57 PM
I don't know why Thank You is locked but that is the message I am getting.


@Innovationgame (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3091)
Unlocked now, Laurence.
Title: Down Platform Progress
Post by: Dizz on November 23, 2018, 12:41:57 AM
Update on the last couple of night's work:

For reference this is a view of the down platform (left side) in the early days of the P&DSR, just after the up platform road was re-laid.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-221118120134.jpeg)
On my version of Churston station I decided to first make the whole of the area level with the the platform top (I will add the higher ground and the White Horse hotel later).
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-221118234135.jpeg)
I had loads of ¼” balsa off cuts/waste from laser cutter jobs, so that was recycled and glued down to the baseboard in a patchwork to act as foundation for a 1/8” balsa sheet top layer.  Just like the up platform, the final platform surface is laser cut 1/32” ply.  To give a neat front edge I added a ½” wide strip of 1/32” ply along the front: this will also be painted black when I finally give the whole length of the valance a top coat once all the scenic work is complete.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-221118234158.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on November 23, 2018, 11:26:26 AM
Looking towards the road bridge still in BR days (pre December 1972):
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-221118115938.jpeg)
Intentions after work today are to build up the road embankment, make the roadway leading to bridge, fit the remaining branch platform ply top and create a plateau to go at the other end of the station for the White Horse Hotel (eventually).

Hopefully some progress and more photos tonight  :wave:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on November 24, 2018, 08:57:54 PM
Best laid plans and all that.....
I didn't have enough balsa block to be able to make the road embankment or the land for the Hotel and a trawl around my local area down here today only produced balsa sheet.  Am up in Torbay on Tuesday and will pick up some wood when I pass through Newton Abbot.  In the mean time I did scale up a plan of the road layout and print a template to follow.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-241118204642.jpeg)
Finished fitting the ply surfacing though:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-241118204543.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-241118204618.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on November 25, 2018, 09:45:28 PM
Came across this photo today:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-251118210436.jpeg)
Different perspective from other photos I have found online showing the relationship between the station building, signal box and the foot bridge: in colour too  :)  (although you obviously can't pay too much attention to the colour reproduction).
As I couldn't do any balsa bashing today I filled and rubbed down the joints in the platform ply panels then, prompted by the photo,  took a look at how model buildings would fit in.
Over the last year I have laser cut several buildings and bought a few Ratio kits in anticipation.  The Ratio foot bridge is close enough to reality, as is the station building, although in years to come I may well replace them with my own ply versions. Anyway, to get see what they looked like in situ I had to make a start on the kits and do some gluing!
The signal box and platform shelters are my own work generated from books/photos.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-251118210547.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/4918-251118210629.jpeg)
Got a busy week ahead and probably wont be able to do any more until next weekend :(
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on December 01, 2018, 11:34:55 PM
Got hold of some balsa block in the week and have made a start on the bridge embankments.  Took a good 10 minutes and a cup of coffee visualizing the end result and thinking how to achieve it.
Block glued together and marked up.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-011218231236.jpeg)
Carved and sanded the basic profile, glued to the base board:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-011218232132.png)
Made a start on filling
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-011218232208.jpeg)
More tomorrow night I hope
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on December 03, 2018, 10:58:08 PM
Laser cut 1/32" ply profile to tidy up the front edge and blend in with the remainder then wacked on some undercoat.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-031218224355.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72076)
Cut balsa block and glued together to make the higher ground the White Horse Hotel stands on.  I need to check the map and do some scaling so I can mark out the building foot print then I can carve/sand the land.......but that will have to wait until Thursday evening.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-031218224433.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72077)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on December 06, 2018, 09:30:15 PM
Have messed around with the station plan in Auto Cad and printed the relevant area to see the relationship between the various buildings and a ground plan for the White Horse Hotel.  Am happy it is all going to fit ok.  Although the Ratio station building is probably too small (as the signal box, shelter and foot bridge all line up pretty well with the scaled plan)..........it will have to do! 
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-061218211935.jpeg)
Have carved some more balsa block to deepen the up storage loop cutting to the rear of the up platform.  I want to be able "hide" a full length express passenger train or 2+8 HST in there.  Coaches obvious............
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-061218212039.png)
Coaches not so obvious with the balsa banking :)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-061218212112.png)
I will get a little more height on the embankment with some bushes and small trees in due course.  High ground for the hotel makes a positive difference to the overall impression too.
Got the bit between my teeth now I am seeing progress again :bounce:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on December 07, 2018, 02:41:36 PM
I am about to complete the basic scenic work on the main line sections of my man-cave layout.  All sections are based on real locations in South Devon and Cornwall with an appropriate dose of artistic licence and fictional development.  Full back ground information is on the first couple of pages of this thread.

As a follower of the “Alternative Cornwall” threads it occurred to me that when their usual line north of Dartmoor to Exeter was not available some of the Cornish traffic would be seen crossing the Tamar and then moving through South Devon (definite Tora Bora territory) whilst making it’s way up the line. 
In my fictional world, Churston Station lies on the main line from Newton Abbot to Plymouth via a South Hams route (as was briefly proposed at one point in the very early days), so the Cornish traffic would also interact with that to/from the Brixham branch.  Earlier this week I approached Martin (and Chris through Martin) to ask if it would be possible for me to join in and occasionally add posts from my “Alternative South Devon”.   I’m very pleased to say that I have had the thumbs up to that! :claphappy:
I’m expecting to finish the basic scenic work on Churston Station and get trains running again by 20 December.  Today I have ordered several NGS wagon kits to build and finish in appropriate liveries over the Christmas period, so hopefully there will be through-workings from Cornwall to show in the New Year.
As they say…………………watch this space!!
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on December 14, 2018, 09:57:17 PM
Have cracked on in the last week whilst the forum was being upgraded.....
I have made my own N gauge version of the White Horse Hotel.
Started with a couple of photos:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-141218212041.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-141218212411.jpeg)
I don't have views of the other 2 sides so they are only a best guess.  I have taken a few liberties in general which I’m sure people will notice, but it speeded up the the drawing process and simplified construction.  After saving the .dxf there is a second stage to lay out the parts for the laser cutter and set the laser power/speed combinations.  This software then sends the code direct to the laser to do it’s stuff.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-141218212525.png)
I need to do some levelling work on the top of the hill.  Windows are glazed with Humbrol Clearfix which is still drying: it will go clear by the morning. 
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-141218212830.bmp)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-141218213312.jpeg)
Happy so far........
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-141218213447.png)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on December 14, 2018, 10:09:27 PM
Have made some station fencing using the laser as well.  Plywood railed fence and palisade support. Card uprights.  Haven't found the best way of gluing the card to the ply wood yet.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-141218214905.png)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-141218213617.png)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-141218220656.png)

I have learnt and practised a few more techniques whilst making the Churston Station area (eg use of ash for the platform surfaces) which will help as I move onto the next section proper, however there is a bit more work to do on the other side of the road bridge first.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Newportnobby on December 15, 2018, 01:24:00 PM

I have learnt and practised a few more techniques whilst making the Churston Station area (eg use of ash for the platform surfaces)

How many ciggies do you smoke per platform please? ;)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on December 15, 2018, 05:05:39 PM
 :D ..... ash from the log and smokeless fuel fire place run through a tea strainer sieve twice to get the finest stuff.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on December 19, 2018, 01:32:37 PM
Took a while to clear the general clutter that had accumulated on the branch line boards so I could remove them to work on this area:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-191218131357.jpeg)
The baseboard join had to be fettled, made secure/repeatable and the track ends packed/fixed.  I ended up using quite a few track pins on each side of the join to make sure everything really solid; hopefully I will be able to remove at least 50% of them once the ballast is down and set.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-191218131445.jpeg)
After I took that photo I slid some card under the refuge siding track where it crosses the corner and glued down some balsa sheet in the corner of the fuel depot board (to make a start on land-forming the spur of high ground that is going to hide the opening in the back scene).
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 01, 2019, 01:49:39 PM
Unfortunately we suffered a family bereavement last week so I have been up in Brixham for the last 10 days and won’t be back to Portreath until the weekend: I haven’t done any work on finishing the Churston Station board.  Sharkham Wagon Works hasn’t been operational either, so I haven’t been able to get stuck into this lot of kits (destined for the Alternative Cornwall tie-in)…..
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-311218230155.jpeg)
However, I have had opportunity to draw up a better station building based on the reference photos I took the other day.  I tried to get square-on shots to make lining things up easier when they are imported into ACAD.  I took some reference dimensions and then scaled the photos to match. 
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-010119131633.png)
Then it was simply a case of taking measurements from the photo and drawing the detail.  The end results are arranged ready to import to the laser control software for cutting next week.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-010119131655.png)
I have also had time to think about  my Alternative Devon tie-in and get some thoughts typed-up………this is still a work in progress at the moment, but I hope to be able to “go public” with it by tomorrow.
Title: Alternative South Devon and the Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 01, 2019, 11:03:39 PM
So here we go........ the back story so far: businesses and characters I intend to make appearances in due course supporting the Brixham Branch line traffic in my alternative South Devon tie-in.  My companies/facilities/historical events are all loosely based on what either exists/existed or what was proposed as a project at some point in the past.   
Disclaimer:   All names, characters, and incidents in the storylines to follow are fictitious. No identification with actual persons (living or deceased) and products is intended or should be inferred.  No animals were harmed in the making of this model railway. ;)

LAYOUT
Tora Bora (Pete(me) in Portreath).......sections of Mainline from Redruth to Teignmouth including the Churston to Brixham branch (not necessarily in the correct geographical order.

WAGON LIVERIES
Martin has sent me photographs of current liveries to replicate from that pile of kits shown in the last post.  In due course I will generate a few of my own designs to reflect the local Brixham Businesses below. 

FICTIONAL BUSINESSES
Castor and Furzeham Fish Ltd:  The premier wet and shell fish merchants in Brixham, buy and process 80% of the catch landed at Brixham.  Daily rail shipments from Brixham Station.
South Sharkham Mine:  Ochre and high grade Iron Ore from the Brixham area: iron almost mined out.  The section that maintained the mining equipment is diversifying into general engineering manufacture (eg the Sharkham Wagon Works).
Jenks United Mining: China clay, Tungsten ore from South and West Cornwall.  (Through Clay and Mineral trains to midlands and NE, empty returns).
Wheal Jayne: disused tin mine (laser cut item) to come on my Cornish section.
Brixham Paint Company: founded in 1843 using local ochre to produce paint and sail canvas treatments for the fishing industry (hence the red sailed Brixham trawlers). Products distributed by rail from Brixham goods depot using GWR/BR vans.
Red Spinnaker spiced Rum: Buy-in industrial quantities of cooking rum and then add additional ingredients and re-finish to produce the final high-end product.  One or two PO vans dispatched a week to London or the North plus occasional shipments to North Cornwall.
Torbay Gas Company:  Situated on the line between Paignton and Torquay.  Regular coal trains direct from Wales or the north, through trains continue to power stations in Plymouth and Hayle.  Also bring assorted PO coal wagons to the SW including supplies for Andy Passmore in Brixham.

FICTIONAL CHARACTERS
Will take years to introduce this lot!!!  Just have to wait for the right moment to come along…..
Lord and Lady Churston (Neil and Cherie Nicholls) – own the Churston Manor and the estate.  Family major shareholders in the original building of the main line through Churston before being absorbed into the GWR.  Renowned Gundog breeders and trainers, have bred numerous Show Champions, Field Champions and recently one dog was made up to achieve their first Full Champion title.
Brian Wills – Estate manager
Lionel Douglas  - Estate Gamekeeper and gun dog trainer.

Sam Gibson – proprietor of the White Horse Hotel and several other Guest Houses in the area.
Dame Anthia Crystal – Romantic fiction author and philanthropist lives near Churston.

Henry Woolston – Station Master Churston
Bob Cooper aka “Mini” – Booking Clerk Churston
John Walker aka “Whisky” – Signalman Churston
Peter Williams – Driver Brixham Branch (14xx, 45xx, 57xx, 64xx)
Paul Fraser – Fireman Brixham Branch

Harry Frampton – Red Spinnaker Rum Distillery owner
Pat Blunt – Local wheeler-dealer, finger in lots of pies, activities on the limit of legality but he has never been caught out.
Stuart Young – Owns a fleet of 5 Trawlers.  Maintained by own in-house Marine Engineering department which takes on second party work. Rail delivery of supplies and materials to Brixham.
Andrew Passmore – Coal Merchant, PO siding Brixham Goods yard
Paul Caunter – Station Master Brixham
Roger Green – Booking Clerk Brixham
Fred Bell aka “Dinger” - Signal man Brixham
Mick Hatten – Town bakery and catering franchises Brixham and Churston Stations
Jim Goodall – Taxi/Bus proprietor
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Innovationgame on January 02, 2019, 07:07:20 AM
That looks like a pretty comprehensive specification!  :beers:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on January 02, 2019, 08:36:22 AM
That sounds pretty good Pete.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 02, 2019, 10:29:10 PM
For only occasional posts it should take months, if not years, to introduce that lot.
Personally am rather looking forward to testing the Spicey rum
 :beers:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 03, 2019, 09:38:54 PM

Personally am rather looking forward to testing the Spicey rum
 :beers:
:hellosign: I'll second that.
  The list sounds interesting, looking forward to more
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 06, 2019, 09:49:50 PM
Got back to Portreath on Friday evening.  I noticed in some older photos (shown pre 1938, not in photos post 1954) that there used to be a canopy along the road side of the building.  I quite liked the look so added that feature. I fired up the frickin lazer yesterday and cut out the bits, glued it together today whilst at the field with B&B.  One of my photos from last week:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-060119213120.jpeg)
Test fit view from the road side:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-060119213212.jpeg)
Slapped some different greys on the roof.  View from the platform side:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-060119213544.jpeg)
Have to glaze the skylights and then I can glue the roof on and fit a valance around the canopies.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 06, 2019, 10:29:37 PM
Another project I have been able to progress now that I'm back is the generation of some PO wagon liveries for the Alternative Devon Brixham businesses.  Water-slide ink jet transfer paper was waiting for me when I got back to print out designs for Castor & Furzeham Fish and Red Spinnaker Rum.
I used open source clip art as a basis and made changes to fit the space available on the wagon sides.  I am using Peco 15ft insulated vans (kits and rtr) for fish and NGS shock van kits for the rum.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-060119213630.png)
I used photo paper settings to get a solid print. 
I was worried that shrinking to N-gauge would make the designs unreadable when printed................completely unfounded :claphappy:
I gave the ink a good 30 minutes to dry properly then gave the sheet 3 very light spray coats of matt sealer.  Before cracking on with all the wagons I did a test run this evening. The next worry was that the ink would still run when placed in water............... completely unfounded   :claphappy: :claphappy:
Final worry was that the transfers wouldn't adhere over the wagon frame work................................ completely unfounded  :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-060119213705.jpeg)
Will look good after a bit of weathering.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 08, 2019, 10:56:15 PM
Tuesday night is train night...............
Except all I did this evening was to get Bridge Road embankment glued down and wacked some filler around the edges to dry overnight.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-080119220312.jpeg)
After a bit more sanding across the joint I'll be able to remove the fuel depot board and complete the basic scenic work on the main line.
Unfortunately I then got side tracked and spent the rest of the evening just running some new goods stock and taking photos   ::) ::)
Newly liveried Castor and Fruzeham insulated fish vans leaving Parsons Tunnel behind Stowe Grange
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-080119220133.jpeg)
last of the Graham Farish Triple pack of Devon eggs vans and 6 open wagons visiting from Trumpton
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/4918-080119220214.jpeg)
And a bit of You Tube video:

Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on January 09, 2019, 08:42:09 AM
I love those vans Pete.
Did you make the Trumpton ones?
And....is it just me but why are your photos usually upside down?
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 09, 2019, 12:29:17 PM
I got the Trumpton wagons from Robbie Burns.  Quite a few people have sets; someone posted a photo of theirs before the New Year and I just had to get my own!  I sent Robbie an email and 8 days later they arived.  I am dead chuffed with them  :D
Don't know what is happening with you viewing the photos because I rotate/crop/resize on my laptop before uploading.  They all show correctly when I view "My Gallery" (thumbnails and when opened fully) and in the posts I put up. 
Does the video appear the right way up?  Taken on the same phone with same orientation.

PS
All my photos and videos appear the right way up on both laptops at home, this computer in work and on my phone...........don't know if that helps narrow the problem down???
Anyone else see them upside down?
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on January 09, 2019, 03:22:08 PM
That’s strange.
I’m viewing on my ipad and just checked on my iphone. All upside down except the video (which is fine).
Like you, I wonder if anyone else is having a problem?

Martin
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: dannyboy on January 09, 2019, 03:43:40 PM
All on Irish orientation, not Australian, for me.  ???
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 09, 2019, 04:13:43 PM
That’s strange.
I’m viewing on my ipad and just checked on my iphone. All upside down except the video (which is fine).
Like you, I wonder if anyone else is having a problem?

Martin

Found this on the Forum help page:

"My photo's always appear upside down when uploaded?"

"This is most likely due to the device that you are using. Mobile phones and tablets have a top and bottom just like all cameras. You should figure out which is the top of your device, so that when pictures are uploaded they aren't upside down. Phones and tablets are deceiving in that they will change the orientation on the device so that they appear the right way for the user, but when transferred to another platform they'll revert to being the way that the device was originally held. It's not a big problem, but this will save you having to edit and upload again."

I transfer my images to one of 2 laptops on route to the forum gallery.  Any that come across upside down (for reasons as described above) are rotated before cropping and re-sizing to 640x480 pixels, then saved for uploading.  That should reset the image orientation and make them "good to go", as implied above.  I don't think anyone else is having the problem simply because no one has said anything (yet!!) :hmmm:
I note you are using apple devices, I wonder if they are not reading (or reading) a flag in the image that other OS ignore/use?  That said Lynn has an i-phone and she sees the photos the right way up.
 :confusedsign:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on January 09, 2019, 05:04:54 PM
Thanks for that Pete.
That is all most interesting except that pictures from everyone else appear the right way up. Strange indeed.
Let’s wait for other replies before I do anything at this stage.
I assume that pictures that I post appear correctly orientated on your laptops?
Martin
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 09, 2019, 10:12:03 PM
Yes Martin, no problem with viewing any of your photo's.
I'm at a loss.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Nebucanezza on January 09, 2019, 10:21:48 PM
Hi Pete

I'm having the same problem as Martin. I'm viewing from my iPad and am getting round the issue by locking the screen and then turning it upside down!

Keep the pictures coming though, your layout looks fab!

Neil
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Innovationgame on January 10, 2019, 06:41:46 AM
There're all fine on my desktop so it may be an Apple-related problem.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Bealman on January 10, 2019, 06:48:00 AM
Just caught up with this after a fairly long while. It's looking great!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 10, 2019, 07:49:07 AM
Hi Pete

I'm having the same problem as Martin. I'm viewing from my iPad and am getting round the issue by locking the screen and then turning it upside down!

Keep the pictures coming though, your layout looks fab!

Neil

Upside down for me too (on an iPad)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Train Waiting on January 10, 2019, 09:23:42 AM
Excellent pictures Pete, thank you very much.

And all the correct way round.

I'm bottom of the class for computer things but the laptop (Mrs Train Waiting's!) says 'HP'.  Saucy, I know, but not an Apple.

Thanks again and best wishes.

John
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 10, 2019, 11:37:54 AM
Thank you everyone.
Does look like it is an Apple related issue then.
Will let Tank know.............can't believe it hasn't come up before.

Pete

PS
Just made Thursday night a train night too ;)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on January 10, 2019, 01:51:38 PM
Excellent pictures Pete, thank you very much.

And all the correct way round.

I'm bottom of the class for computer things but the laptop (Mrs Train Waiting's!) says 'HP'.  Saucy, I know, but not an Apple.

Thanks again and best wishes.

John
Is your laptop in mint condition?
....ok, I’ll get my coat.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 10, 2019, 10:35:26 PM
 :hellosign: Sorry a bit late but if it helps all Photos the right way up , on my phone tonight
     regards Derek
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 14, 2019, 11:10:34 PM
Have made some landscaping progress with the bridge approach road and finalising the board joint, but nothing worth showing yet.
Sharkham Wagon Works has been churning out 15' Castor and Brixham fish vans and there are now 10 in service with kits for another 2 waiting.  I also have 8off 10' insulated goods van kits waiting and these are destined to form the Red Spinnaker Rum distribution service.
However, my main efforts have been spent painting/finishing the platform signal box and station building.
In the past I have laser cut window frames from 1/64" (0.4mm) ply, but there is a limit to how narrow I can cut the frames without setting fire to the remaining ply.  I started experimenting with other materials and hit on using thin card.  I can cut this with only 17% laser power, which means the beam/cut is very fine with little additional heat that ignites the work.  The window frames are only 0.2mm wide and fairly fragile, but card is cheap as chips, so I can cut shed loads of windows and only use the best frames.  I then soak them with thin cyano which wicks into the card and sets to form a composite material which is much more robust: a coat of paint adds further strength.  Glazing done with Humbrol "Clearfix".  I know there are a few bubbles caught in some panes, but I dont think they will be noticed at normal viewing distances.  Anyway, the signal box ready for weathering:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4918-140119222316.png)
The station building was painted with Tamiya acryllics, Humbrol matt and gloss enamels and Railmatch authentic GWR enamels.  All done free hand with decent modelling brushes.
Station from the road side
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4918-140119222408.png)
From the up platform
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4918-140119222826.png)
and from a tall ladder
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4918-140119222520.png)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on January 15, 2019, 08:17:25 AM
That is excellent modelling indeed Pete.
And an added bonus........the photos are the right way up  :claphappy:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Train Waiting on January 15, 2019, 09:34:45 AM
That is excellent modelling indeed Pete.

Seconded!

John
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on January 15, 2019, 11:17:45 AM
That is excellent modelling indeed Pete.
And an added bonus........the photos are the right way up  :claphappy:
Thank you Martin, I have to admit I'm very pleased with the result, best building I have made so far I think.
I took the first photo of the station building with the phone left side down then the ones from the platform side with the phone rotated 180 degrees expecting you to see one or the other inverted to help diagnose ...................but not!  As you know I messaged Tank but he is a busy man and he didn't get back to me, however maybe he has tweaked something anyway, so  :thankyousign: Tank  :D
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 16, 2019, 11:30:36 AM
:hellosign: Sorry a bit late but if it helps all Photos the right way up, on my phone tonight
     regards Derek

And on mine, too; Windows 7 and 10.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 16, 2019, 11:31:17 AM
That is excellent modelling indeed Pete.

Seconded!

John

Thirded!
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on February 05, 2019, 02:10:06 PM
Unfortunately I have been otherwise engaged the last few weeks and progress on finishing the Churston area up to a presentable standard has been very slow, but the last bit of ballasting and getting some scatter material down in that final patch by the board joint has now been done.  During my trips to Brixham I was able to make a few more wagon kits and develop some laser etched signs to an acceptable level.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4918-290119224233.png)
Varying success with using Humbrol Clear and Black wash, but finally got there:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4918-290119224313.png)

Last weekend up in Brixham I found a pile of reference material that I must have amassed over 21 years ago when I first started building the layout (see here for history https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39985.msg484404#msg484404 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39985.msg484404#msg484404)).  I have been searching for photos of the aviation fuel transfer sidings without any success and had no idea that I had 2 photos of my own all along. They are photographs of photographs in the first place which I have captured on my phone, so the quality is a bit ropey, but they are good enough to post on here for the time being. They will be slightly better when I scan them properly.  I estimate they were taken in the very late 60's/early 70's.  I know when houses on Pillar Avenue (to the left of the depot) were built and the area of the fuel sidings is now a housing development so I'm trying to find out when that was built which should narrow down a date for the photos.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4918-050219122828.jpeg)
I have highlighted the track bed to the station that was lifted in 1964 with a dashed line. I have marked where I think the last photo was taken with a pink square and the arrow:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4918-050219123017.jpeg)
There is enough information in this photo to allow me to have a good stab at making up my own rigs which will look pretty much like the real thing I hope.  I made some rough drawings last night and will convert them into CAD drawings in due course so I can make some jigs on the laser.  My intention is to make the frame/supports (60 x tall and 22 x short) and pipework from Plastsruct extrusions and have placed a considerable online this morning.  The catwalk, catwalk brackets and fence posts will be laser cut from 1.6mm and 0.8mm ply.  I think I have some 2mm black heatshrink somewhere that will do for the hoses (if I can find it!).
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4918-050219125949.jpeg)
And of course, all this can be done whilst I'm away from Portreath, standfast the little bit of laser work. :D
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Newportnobby on February 05, 2019, 03:45:53 PM
Those signs look damned good :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Bealman on February 05, 2019, 03:49:22 PM
Wot he said  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: chrispearce on February 05, 2019, 04:16:02 PM
Your work is superb. Forgive my asking but I can't find the answer I seek in the thread and I do hope I am not asking you to repeat yourself, but why "Tora Bora Line"? It keeps making me think of a bunch of mountains where a former USA's "most wanted" was supposed to be hiding during Gulf War 2. I don't see the link with the West Country.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on February 05, 2019, 04:23:06 PM
Those signs are great Pete. Especially when you consider how small they must be.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on February 05, 2019, 04:39:29 PM
Your work is superb. Forgive my asking but I can't find the answer I seek in the thread and I do hope I am not asking you to repeat yourself, but why "Tora Bora Line"? It keeps making me think of a bunch of mountains where a former USA's "most wanted" was supposed to be hiding during Gulf War 2. I don't see the link with the West Country.
Hi Chris
You are nearly there mate  :thumbsup:
The layout is in a 12'x12' log cabin at the end of the garden.....my remote man cave....where I disappear to and hide away for hours (some would say days) on end :D
Plus Tora Bora is a bit of a play on Torbay: "The Torbay Express" ran from Kingswear through Churston on route to Paddington and I will be running my own version soon once I finish off the current scenic work.
Bit cryptic I suppose, but 33 years in the RN has warped my mind  :laugh3: :laugh3:
All the best
Pete
 
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on February 05, 2019, 04:50:34 PM
Those signs are great Pete. Especially when you consider how small they must be.  :thumbsup:
Thank you Martin....the "Churston Signal Box" one is 3mm high and probably a little over scale.  The Waiting Room, Booking Office, etc are close to 2mm but much more fiddly to finish with the black wash.  Not a problem really because now I have cracked the procedure I can scale down the relevant signs with a couple of mouse clicks and produce a job-lot which can be finished off then just use the best ones.  Am only using scrap bits of 0.8mm ply sprayed white, so the cost is nearly zero, just time consuming.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: chrispearce on February 05, 2019, 04:53:52 PM
Your work is superb. Forgive my asking but I can't find the answer I seek in the thread and I do hope I am not asking you to repeat yourself, but why "Tora Bora Line"? It keeps making me think of a bunch of mountains where a former USA's "most wanted" was supposed to be hiding during Gulf War 2. I don't see the link with the West Country.
Hi Chris
You are nearly there mate  :thumbsup:
The layout is in a 12'x12' log cabin at the end of the garden.....my remote man cave....where I disappear to and hide away for hours (some would say days) on end :D
Plus Tora Bora is a bit of a play on Torbay: "The Torbay Express" ran from Kingswear through Churston on route to Paddington and I will be running my own version soon once I finish off the current scenic work.
Bit cryptic I suppose, but 33 years in the RN has warped my mind  :laugh3: :laugh3:
All the best
Pete

Many thanks Pete. OK I get the joke LOL! Both my elder brothers went to BRNC so Dartmouth and it's attendant steam railway are icons of my childhood. I was very young but remember waiting by Britannia Halt on the Higher Ferry Slipway waiting to cross over to Dartmouth for several visits and a couple of Passing Out Parades. Happy days indeed! I actually passed to be a Pilot for the Fleet Air Arm (hence my avatar) but that, sadly, is another tale. May I ask what you did in the RN?
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on February 05, 2019, 10:04:29 PM
Dartmouth Sep 82 -Dec 83, Seaman Officer MCMV  Navigator then saw the light and became a WAFU. Lynx and Merlin Observer. Retired time expired August 2015 and now Mod Civil Servant still at RNAS Culdrose.

FLY NAVY!!!!😁👍👍👍
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: railsquid on February 06, 2019, 03:53:43 AM
Your work is superb. Forgive my asking but I can't find the answer I seek in the thread and I do hope I am not asking you to repeat yourself, but why "Tora Bora Line"? It keeps making me think of a bunch of mountains where a former USA's "most wanted" was supposed to be hiding during Gulf War 2. I don't see the link with the West Country.
Hi Chris
You are nearly there mate  :thumbsup:
The layout is in a 12'x12' log cabin at the end of the garden.....my remote man cave....where I disappear to and hide away for hours (some would say days) on end :D
Plus Tora Bora is a bit of a play on Torbay: "The Torbay Express" ran from Kingswear through Churston on route to Paddington and I will be running my own version soon once I finish off the current scenic work.
Bit cryptic I suppose, but 33 years in the RN has warped my mind  :laugh3: :laugh3:
All the best
Pete

Aha! By sheer coincidence I was just going to ask the same thing, somehow my poor beleagured mind told itself that this is some obscure Afghanistan-based mining layout (!), something which never piqued my interest enough to look on the occasions when it popped up in my unread posts list, until I saw it mentioned on other West Country threads recently.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: chrispearce on February 06, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Dartmouth Sep 82 -Dec 83, Seaman Officer MCMV  Navigator then saw the light and became a WAFU. Lynx and Merlin Observer. Retired time expired August 2015 and now Mod Civil Servant still at RNAS Culdrose.

FLY NAVY!!!!😁👍👍👍

Impressive. Respect to you Sir. Fly Navy indeed - although, sadly, I didn't get to myself. Did pass for Observer but that was 'wrong side of the cockpit' for me. Somehow I always had a fondness for the Sea King Mk. 4 but I see that the last of those is now retired.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on February 06, 2019, 02:19:03 PM
The Sea King (all Mks) was a good servant to the Navy and a great work-horse.  As it happens I'm now working with 2 replacement programmes: Merlin Mk4 and Crows Nest.
Anyway, we all like photos so here is the last bit (for the time being) of Churston scenic work:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4918-060219131138.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4918-060219131053.png)
I am now at the stage I wanted to be at 6 weeks ago, can't be helped.
Working on a slight diversion at the moment.....photos to follow  ;)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: chrispearce on February 06, 2019, 03:15:55 PM
I get the feeling that having a 3D printer makes one king of all that you wish to build. Your models are brilliant Dizz. It must be great to be able to produce whatever you want to that kind of standard but I have a sneaky feeling that mastering the associated software to do the design work must be a lot of skill in itself.

Keep up the good work on the layout and the Merlins etc. Your country, along with the NGF, need you!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on February 06, 2019, 11:04:00 PM
The diversion was to make some form of back-board for my Albert Bridge (carrying the main line between Devon and Cornwall) to hide the door in any photos.
I cut a sheet of 3mm ply to fit the opening and glued a couple of blocks to the door frame.  2 large Peco Sky back scene papers pasted to the ply and taa-daah.....
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4918-060219230129.png)
Tomorrow I will overlay a hill or something cut from a country side back scene to disguise that vertical join line.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Milton Rail on February 07, 2019, 07:43:17 AM
Just spent an enjoyable hour this morning tracking back to the start of your thread, superb layout developing here, love the backstory that is starting to emerge too! 
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 08, 2019, 08:25:51 PM
Superb work, Pete. The fuel sidings will be an excellent feature. I agree with you that the "Churston Signal Box" sign is probably a little overscale, though.
Title: A quick update
Post by: Dizz on February 12, 2019, 12:40:52 PM
Just back-tracking a little, what I did in the 6 Feb post for where the track crosses the corner was to slide thin card under the refuge siding track and then ballasted on top but used thin cyano instead of PVA to get a rock hard mini-bridge.

I have quite a few balls in the air at the moment so cave time is at a minimum hence nothing of significance to show.  In the last week I finished another batch of fish and rum wagons, finished off some more laser etched signs (slightly smaller), made a start on the CAD drawings for the fuelling rigs and laser cut/made 12 sleeper style siding end stops, 4 of which will go in the fuel depot idc.  Hopefully have some photos of progress to post by Friday evening.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 20, 2019, 10:55:06 PM
 :hellosign: A really huge  :thankyousign: Pete, vans arrived this morning, a most pleasent surprise
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Innovationgame on February 21, 2019, 06:41:38 AM
:hellosign: A really huge  :thankyousign: Pete, vans arrived this morning, a most pleasent surprise
    regards Derek.
And the same at Marton Hinmarche.   :thankyousign:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 23, 2019, 12:16:23 PM
BR / Hawksworth Auto-trailer W232W, in what appears to be BR Crimson livery, was used at Brixham with a 14xx.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on February 24, 2019, 02:49:16 PM
As if by luck...................Just seen at Churston:

1464 and autocoach caught simmering in the bay platform at very quiet Churston this lunchtime waiting for the down connection from London.
Driver, Peter Williams, has quickly popped into the station for a chat with "Mini" Cooper (the booking clerk) whilst fireman Paul Fraser does a bacon and eggs fry-up on his shovel in the firebox.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-240219143157.jpeg)

5 minutes after the departure of the Paddington to Penxance express 1464 departs for Brixham with the 13.15 (Sundays Only) connection.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-240219143314.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on February 24, 2019, 02:52:41 PM
Great pictures Pete.
I can taste that bacon and egg - yum.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on February 24, 2019, 02:55:58 PM
During quieter periods over the weekend it was common practice for SR crews to undertake route learning runs with light trains along the WR route through South Devon from Exeter to Plymouth (similarly, WR crews would run via Okehampton).
Earlier this morning N class 31844 was seen at Parsons Tunnel with a PLV, CK and BSK on a non-stop run to Plymouth Friary.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-240219143540.png)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on February 24, 2019, 02:59:37 PM
Great pictures Pete.
I can taste that bacon and egg - yum.
Cant beat a bacon and egg roll .....had 2 for brunch this morning (where the idea came from  ;) ;) )
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on February 24, 2019, 03:18:11 PM
Back to layout construction stuff and Northfields Fuel Depot.........

Following a test dry fit run of one rig, I had to tweak my CAD drawings (based on the one photo I posted 3 weeks ago) before laser cutting all the ply and MDF parts.  I also bought a modelling guillotine for cutting all the plastic strip (364 individual lengths required!!).  Surprisingly it didn't come with adjustable stop so I made my own from 3mm ply.
Sat down on Friday evening and cut all the strips. 
Resulting pile of bits ready to glue together.
Front middle is a jig, again made with the laser, for the different frames required along with some trial pieces. The plastic is glued together using MEK to actually weld the plastic together.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-240219020446.jpeg)
Last night I finished making all 82 plastic frames, I now have 164 0.4mm ply brackets (front right) to glue in place  :goggleeyes:

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Post by: cornish yorkie on February 24, 2019, 10:06:08 PM
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign: & Many thanks for the update Pete, looking forward to seeing the fuel depot.
      regards Derek.
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Post by: Dizz on February 27, 2019, 03:11:11 PM
I only have that one photo of the fuel rigs to go on so I feel justified in doing what ever I like when adding extra stuff.  The top horizontal piece had minimal gluing area and proved to be a little fragile so I added slightly smaller 0.4mm ply brackets.  MEK to weld the plastic bits to each other and Mitre glue to stick the brackets in place:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-270219144405.jpeg)

Last night I finished gluing all the rig frames together: 60 tall and 22 small T frames from a total of 568 separate parts :o :goggleeyes: :goggleeyes:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-270219144447.jpeg)

Just had to have a test dry ft to get a hint of what it will look like when completed:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-270219144729.jpeg)
There are 104 fence posts to be glued to the recesses on the edge of the catwalks and 0.6mm plastic rod rails threaded through next.  Then I have 100 fuel pipe pieces to cut and assemble into 20 tanker fuelling feeds.  One thing that did become apparent was how difficult it is going to be to assemble all the components after painting, so I am having a re-think how I'm going to achieve the final result. 
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Post by: port perran on February 27, 2019, 03:14:28 PM
Your attention to detail is impressive Pete.
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Post by: Dizz on February 27, 2019, 03:18:38 PM
Your attention to detail is impressive Pete.
Some might say "obsessive" Martin  :smiley-laughing:
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Post by: Newportnobby on February 27, 2019, 04:16:40 PM
That is just an astonishing build :goggleeyes:
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Post by: cornish yorkie on February 27, 2019, 10:03:32 PM
That is just an astonishing build :goggleeyes:
:hellosign: Agreed i`l just add WOW  :thumbsup:
       regards Derek.
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Post by: keithbythe sea on February 28, 2019, 07:46:08 AM
Yes, truly Wow!  :beers:
Title: Artistic Licence
Post by: Dizz on March 01, 2019, 10:59:34 AM
Just a reminder of what I'm trying to represent using the only photo I have of the fuel transfer sidings whilst they were being removed ate 60's early 70's
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4918-050219125949.jpeg)
This facility was constructed and used in WW2 to fill tanker wagons with high grade aviation fuel for onward transport to the Cotswolds (I believe) to then be pumped into the RAF underground pipe network that served the bomber and transport bases of the time.
 
Everything was a bit fragile and difficult to work with in the last post, but my re-think is now complete, my brain has cooled down, artistic licence obtained and I have cracked on with the construction..............

I cant understand the need for 3 uprights every tanker spacing, but I copied the fact.  Using the same file I drew for the MDF bases I laser cut some 3/16" balsa and slid them over the bottom part of the uprights to jig everything square and make the structure more manageable. I dry fitted the ply cat-walks around and then slid the refueling pipe risers (20 off from 1mm plastic rod constructed in a ply jig) in place. I added horizontal beams between the tops of uprights and then moved the risers up into position and glued them in place also with MEK.  I slid 2.4mm diameter pipe through the lower 0.4mm ply brackets and tacked that in place with thin cyano.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-010319100508.jpeg)
The intention was to then remove the ply cat walks to spray/airbrush everything above the balsa jigs and fit the rail posts whilst off the main structure, but when I tried to do that this morning the MEK/cyano has worked it's way to where it is not meant to be and attached the ply strips to a few uprights. Tonight I'll try to ease the ply off...fingers crossed.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-010319100620.jpeg)
I found the 2mm heat-shrink tubing!  :)
I'll cut this to length and then shrink it onto the 1mm plastic rods with a hair dryer: obviously will test that idea first to make sure I won't melt the rigs!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-010319100801.jpeg)
Current parts count = 334 (for 1 rig) with another 88 still to add..............then I have to assemble the second one :doh:
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Post by: Dizz on March 01, 2019, 01:13:31 PM
I have just uncovered a little additional information to what I have found so far concerning Northfield Lane Oil Depot, to use it's correct name.  here is a summary of my knowledge to date:
I already knew info marked with *, but the other info is new to me........it was just a question of using the right words when searching in Google  ;)


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Post by: cornish yorkie on March 01, 2019, 07:27:45 PM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign:
   Many thanks for the updates Pete & all the information is fascanating
         regards Derek.
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Post by: Dizz on March 01, 2019, 07:59:13 PM
I managed to spring the ply catwalks free without any problem in the end.  The second set of rigs went together much quicker and is now also ready for air-brushing.  Unfortunately it is chucking it down and far too damp for spraying, so they will just have to wait.
In between time in an attempt to blend-in the home-made decals I have had a go at weathering one fish van.  Before I carry on and do some more are there any thoughts please?
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-010319195002.jpeg)
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Post by: dannyboy on March 01, 2019, 08:01:43 PM
The fish van looks okay Dizz.  I personally would leave it as it is. :thumbsup:
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Post by: port perran on March 01, 2019, 08:41:34 PM
That van looks good Pete. Excellent work (even if it is upside down again).
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Post by: dannyboy on March 01, 2019, 08:59:02 PM
The picture is showing correctly for me.  :hmmm:
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Post by: Newportnobby on March 01, 2019, 09:34:30 PM
No requirement for a handstand for me, either.
Nicely grubby van without being filthy :thumbsup:
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Post by: Dizz on March 01, 2019, 10:11:53 PM
Thank you all for the feed-back, just another 13 do do when I get chance  ::)

Here we see 4554 entering Churston on a very short down goods from Exeter for Brixham with a returning empty Fish Van and shock van full of bottles for the Red Spinnaker distillery. 
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-010319195128.jpeg)
The fish van will be  thoroughly cleaned and wait with other empty fish vans in the loading dock at the station where it will be loaded on Sunday afternoon.
It will be used in the 8.30pm weekdays and Sunday fish special that leaves Brixham for Exeter, Bristol and London. 
The fish special is a fast express, but it carries no passengers. 100 tons of fresh fish is carried overnight for the morning fish markets.
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Post by: Milton Rail on March 02, 2019, 12:51:17 PM
Great work on that oil loading terminal ... I have something similar in mind for my layout, but am planning to modify a Walthers Ice Factory kit rather than scratch build..... I haven't got my head around how I will do the loading arms though - your work has motivated me to get moving on it
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Post by: Dizz on March 02, 2019, 08:44:10 PM
D6313 is being kept busy!
After a specials trip to Cant Cove yesterday, late this afternoon it was booked to bring two CIWL Pullman coaches up from West Quay to Brixham for winter refurbishment.
Sharkham Wagon works bid for the work as part of their strategy to move into maintaining passenger stock to supplement the established goods wagon manufacture.
Here we see 6313 pulling into the Churston Up platform where the driver will obtain the token for the branch before crossing the down line for Brixham.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-010319195048.jpeg)
Tomorrow I will try to catch the Kingswear to London Fish Special whilst the Vans from Brixham are added at Churston.
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Post by: Dizz on March 02, 2019, 08:47:08 PM
Great work on that oil loading terminal ... I have something similar in mind for my layout, but am planning to modify a Walthers Ice Factory kit rather than scratch build..... I haven't got my head around how I will do the loading arms though - your work has motivated me to get moving on it
I'm pleased you like it thanks. I saw you managed to bag a decent haul of Plastruct material on e-bay, but if there is anything I can help with (eg the ply brackets) just give me a shout  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 03, 2019, 07:55:20 PM
Very good to see D6313 on the two CIWL "Pullman" train ferry coaches. They suffered frost damage in the extreme winter. Fortunately, temporary replacements have been supplied from the CIWL Workshop at Ostende, Belgium, for the weekly Winter service.
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Post by: Dizz on March 03, 2019, 10:43:05 PM
Dog show yesterday with Brian (second in his class this time) and then it was his KC Gold Good Citizen assessment today, we didn't get back until 17.30  but I still managed to get some cave-time in.
Second rig is now assembled and 128 rail posts have been glued to the cat walks.  Test fit again:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-030319222132.jpeg)
Parts count now 796 with 32 to go!
Will fire up the airbrush tomorrow evening and get the plastic painted matt black.
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Post by: Dizz on March 03, 2019, 11:16:01 PM
The Kingswear to London Fish Special departs Kingswear (where the engine has been turned on the turntable) usually only pulling a brake van.  At Churston the loaded fish vans that have come up from Brixham during the day are added and then a hopefully non-stop run to London starts.
With the loads and speeds required Halls have been the preferred motive power, but Western Diesel-hydraulics are starting to make appearances.  However today Pendeford Hall was in charge and was seen passing Parson's Tunnel Signal Box and entering the tunnel:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-030319222644.png)
And on 16mm film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dozIvlOahb4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dozIvlOahb4)
into the tunnel:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-030319222718.png)
With all due regard and respect to W H Auden’s masterpiece “Night Mail”...................

NIGHT FISH
This is the Night Fish passing the border,
Bringing the fish, all in good order.

Lobster for the rich, Dabs for the poor
The shop at the corner, the cook next door.

Pulling up Wellington, a steady climb
The gradient’s against her, but she’s on time.

Past estuary and heathland border
Shovelling white steam over her shoulder,

Snorting noisily as she passes
Silent miles of ripening grasses.

People turn their heads as she approaches,
Stare from pavements at her white sided coaches.

A38 road works cannot slow her speed;
She steams past, taking no heed.

In the town she passes, no one wakes,
But bread in the oven gently bakes.

Dawn approaches, her run is done.
Down towards London she descends,
Towards the city and tall sky scrapers
Towards the fields of people, bustling, hustling.
Towards the swarming masses, always jostling.
All Billingsgate waits for her:
In dark places, beside the noisy pub,
Men everywhere wait for the grub.

Thousands are still asleep,
Dreaming of battered fish and chips
Or a friendly pint beside the band in the Brixton Jamm

Asleep in working Barking, asleep in well-set Kensington,
Asleep in sporting Stratford
They continue their dreams,
But shall wake soon and long for kippers
And no one will hear the monger’s cry
Without a quickening of the heart,
For who can resist a fish based breakfast?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGqX0TVaEDY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGqX0TVaEDY)
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Post by: port perran on March 04, 2019, 08:05:38 AM
Lovely photos Pete and,...the correct way up for me this time.
Those white fish vans do look good behind the immaculate Hall.
And what a fitting adaptation of Mr Auden’s work.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 04, 2019, 08:23:02 AM
Lovely photos Pete and,...the correct way up for me this time.
Those white fish vans do look good behind the immaculate Hall.
And what a fitting adaptation of Mr Auden’s work.

Seconded!

I think this is a very good example of a medium weathered fish van.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/HKIAAOSwjMtcQa4J/s-l1600.jpg
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Post by: Dizz on March 04, 2019, 09:45:56 AM
Lovely photos Pete and,...the correct way up for me this time.
Those white fish vans do look good behind the immaculate Hall.
And what a fitting adaptation of Mr Auden’s work.
Thank you Martin.  The upside down ones (for you) a post or two ago went through "post production" on my laptop instead of the netbook, so I thought I had found the culprit.  Unfortunately these 2 stills were also resized and uploaded from the laptop, so that theory is now in the bin! :(
I'm a big fan of the Night Mail film and probably have it on twice a month (there are a couple good quality uploads on You Tube) whilst I'm working in the man-cave: it was a different world then.  It's a bit cheeky and I hope nobody takes offence at my destruction of the verse.
Today at work is dragging along very slowly..........am itching to get home and do some airbrushing!!
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 04, 2019, 07:26:34 PM
I hope you were able to get on with some airbrushing, Pete. 8-)
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Post by: Dizz on March 04, 2019, 11:06:14 PM
Taa-Dahh!
Matt black applied: it dried very quickly on one set whilst I airbrushed the second.  Catwalks fitted and glued in place by wicking thin cyano along the underside joints.(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-040319224616.jpeg)
With the catwalks attached the structures were more rigid and easier to handle.  Bottom balsa jigs removed and the uprights glued to the MDF bases, then the now-exposed uprights were airbrushed and the catwalks dirtied-up a bit.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-040319224645.jpeg)
Last operation this evening was to thread 0.3mm diameter beading wire through the rail posts.
Just the hoses to fit now  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Milton Rail on March 05, 2019, 07:21:09 AM
Cracking work Pete, they are looking great!
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Post by: Newportnobby on March 05, 2019, 10:01:15 AM
Consider my gob well and truly smacked :jawdropping: :wonderfulmodelling:
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Post by: cornish yorkie on March 05, 2019, 09:03:28 PM
Cracking work Pete, they are looking great!
:hellosign:  Seconded, absolutely superb  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Dizz on March 06, 2019, 09:10:43 AM
Apologies for:
1.  Yet more photos of the filling rigs (decided that is what I'm going to call them from now on).
2.  The blackness of everything making it difficult to see the detail.
3.  The unflattering level of zoom that highlights all the faults/errors.

Anyway, before we left on our Crufts trip yesterday evening I didn't have the time to fit the ladders and steps, add the hoses or secure the wire hand rails, but I was able to do a quick mock-up:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-060319003224.jpeg)
I know there are errors, but overall I am very pleased with the effect.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-060319003306.jpeg)
What has become even more apparent is that I am going to have to employ some form of uncoupling system to work the sidings.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-060319003415.jpeg)

We are not back until Saturday evening but I should be able to get a solid man-cave session in on Sunday which will allow me to complete the last few tasks and apply some weathering.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 06, 2019, 09:15:24 AM
Very impressive work, Pete. Very fiddly work but well worth all the effort. Once suitably weathered (which will also enhance the incredible detailing), the filling rigs and train will look highly realistic. It will be a very notable feature of your layout. Really superb work.
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Post by: port perran on March 06, 2019, 09:16:07 AM
That is brilliant.
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Post by: Dizz on March 06, 2019, 09:27:11 AM
 :thankyousign: for your kind comments chaps .....

Does anyone use a remote uncoupling method?  Am considering the Dapol system or a home produced method using 2x1mm rare earth magnets and under-board electro magnets. 
Pros and Cons to each. Plenty of time to think about it over the next few days though  :hmmm:
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Post by: Milton Rail on March 06, 2019, 09:41:05 AM
That mock up is looking fab, great work.

Good luck at Crufts!
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Post by: Innovationgame on March 06, 2019, 06:22:30 PM
Does anyone use a remote uncoupling method?  Am considering the Dapol system or a home produced method using 2x1mm rare earth magnets and under-board electro magnets. 
Pros and Cons to each. Plenty of time to think about it over the next few days though  :hmmm:
I am using Dapol easy-shunts on the branch goods, using a 67XX class and they are OK, although the toad brakevan sometimes takes a few shunts to uncouple.  But they were a failure with my small prairies because the pony trucks didn't like them.  For that reason, for the prairies, I am using 2mm thick Neodymium magnets buried below the track and Peco frets on the coach bogies.  It is a bit of an art to bend the fret to the required profile, but it works pretty well.
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Post by: RailGooner on March 06, 2019, 08:01:14 PM
Wow :wonderfulmodelling: :greatwork:
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Post by: maridunian on March 06, 2019, 10:47:29 PM
Apologies for:
1.  Yet more photos of the filling rigs (decided that is what I'm going to call them from now on).
2.  The blackness of everything making it difficult to see the detail.

What an amazing project! Have you come across a book called "Oil on the Rails" by Alan Coppin, which charts the history of moving petroleum products by rail in the UK? Lots of historical information, photos, maps, Wagon builder registers, etc, etc.

Mike
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Post by: Dizz on March 07, 2019, 12:02:41 AM
Does anyone use a remote uncoupling method?  Am considering the Dapol system or a home produced method using 2x1mm rare earth magnets and under-board electro magnets. 
Pros and Cons to each. Plenty of time to think about it over the next few days though  :hmmm:
I am using Dapol easy-shunts on the branch goods, using a 67XX class and they are OK, although the toad brakevan sometimes takes a few shunts to uncouple.  But they were a failure with my small prairies because the pony trucks didn't like them.  For that reason, for the prairies, I am using 2mm thick Neodymium magnets buried below the track and Peco frets on the coach bogies.  It is a bit of an art to bend the fret to the required profile, but it works pretty well.

Thank you for that Laurence.  Have arrived in Birmingham after a good trip with lots of thinking time on the motorway.  Still too awake for bed yet.....
On the drive I was leaning towards the Dapol Easy Shunts (just have to check I can fit the coupling to a Peco tanker wagon kit) but I have now taken onboard your comment re small Prairies.  I need to write down the positives and negatives for both options and take it from there.
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Post by: Dizz on March 07, 2019, 12:13:45 AM
What an amazing project! Have you come across a book called "Oil on the Rails" by Alan Coppin, which charts the history of moving petroleum products by rail in the UK? Lots of historical information, photos, maps, Wagon builder registers, etc, etc.

Mike
Thank you Mike.   No I hadn't seen that book before, wish I had though!
Have found a used copy on Amazon with proceeds going to charity.....it has been ordered :claphappy:
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Post by: LASteve on March 07, 2019, 12:33:19 AM
Thank you Mike.   No I hadn't seen that book before, wish I had though!
Have found a used copy on Amazon with proceeds going to charity.....it has been ordered :claphappy:
There are four copies on US Amazon with prices ranging from $15 to a rather wonderful $855. Hmm, I wonder which one I'll go for?  :confused1:
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Post by: keithbythe sea on March 07, 2019, 07:39:05 AM
Hi Pete, great work, looking very impressive.  :thankyousign:
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Post by: Milton Rail on March 07, 2019, 08:05:56 AM
I can vouch for that book, a mine of useful information
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Post by: Dizz on March 07, 2019, 07:03:44 PM
We did our best today but didn't quite make it: had to settle for second in our class at Crufts, which is still actually pretty damned good! So chuffed with Brian, he loves being in the ring and afterwards he had so many people come to say "hello" I lost count.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-070319185947.jpeg)
Our friend John MacGregor with Rubles will be representing the breed on TV in the Gundog Group competition on C4 from 20.00.......go Rubles!!!!!. 
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Post by: dannyboy on March 07, 2019, 07:05:26 PM
Many congratulations to Brian, (and you of course). Quite some achievement.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Milton Rail on March 07, 2019, 07:09:22 PM
Well done Team Brian :)
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Post by: port perran on March 07, 2019, 07:10:55 PM
Very well done Brian.
You must be very pleased even if it is tinged with a tiny bit of disappointment.
Hopefully Brian is looking forward to a good run on Portreath Beach very soon.
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Post by: Train Waiting on March 07, 2019, 07:21:53 PM
Well done, Brian!
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Post by: Innovationgame on March 07, 2019, 07:30:30 PM
I'm not a doggy person, but my mother was.  She judged Irish Setter Dogs (as opposed to Bitches) and best of breed at Crufts back in either 1989 or 90.  By then it had moved from Olympia to Earls Court.  I can't remember if she ever won Best Gundog at Crufts but she certainly won Best of Breed. She won Best in Show at Peterborough in (I think) 1966.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 07, 2019, 07:45:12 PM
Many congratulations to Brian, (and you of course). Quite some achievement.  :thumbsup:

Seconded! What a lovely dog.
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Post by: Newportnobby on March 07, 2019, 08:20:09 PM
I'm not a doggy person, but my mother was.  She judged Irish Setter Dogs (as opposed to Bitches) and best of breed at Crufts back in either 1989 or 90.  By then it had moved from Olympia to Earls Court.  I can't remember if she ever won Best Gundog at Crufts but she certainly won Best of Breed. She won Best in Show at Peterborough in (I think) 1966.

@Innovationgame (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3091)
You really might like to re-word that, Laurence. It just sounds all wrong to me :worried:
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Post by: Innovationgame on March 08, 2019, 06:43:20 AM
I'm not a doggy person, but my mother was.  She judged Irish Setter Dogs (as opposed to Bitches) and best of breed at Crufts back in either 1989 or 90.  By then it had moved from Olympia to Earls Court.  I can't remember if she ever won Best Gundog at Crufts but she certainly won Best of Breed. She won Best in Show at Peterborough in (I think) 1966.

@Innovationgame (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3091)
You really might like to re-word that, Laurence. It just sounds all wrong to me :worried:
Well, yes it was her dogs that won of course.  Brendower Bomber won Best in Show at Peterborough and I'm pretty sure that both Brendower Bounty and Brendower Bronze Champagne won B-o-B at Crufts, although years apart.  One of her bitches might have done that too, Brendower Brown Sugar.  I hope that sounds better.
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Post by: Dizz on March 09, 2019, 05:18:04 PM
Look what was waiting when I got back from Birmingham just now  :D.....
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-090319171529.jpeg)
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Post by: maridunian on March 09, 2019, 05:28:24 PM
Enjoy!
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Post by: Bealman on March 09, 2019, 05:30:09 PM
Unusual book, but no doubt very interesting. The cover itself is great... what appears to be a 9F and no barrier wagon!

Congratulations on your success at Crufts, by the way  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Dizz on March 09, 2019, 06:32:24 PM
Unusual book, but no doubt very interesting. The cover itself is great... what appears to be a 9F and no barrier wagon!

Congratulations on your success at Crufts, by the way  :thumbsup:
Thank you.....we were on the Large Munsterlander stand in the Discover Dogs area yesterday show- casing our breed. Met and talked to loads and loads of people, Brian loved all the attention.
Anyway, only had a quick thumb through so far and it is indeed very intesting.  Am extremely impressed with the quality for a "second hand" book; looks brand new to me and well worth £12.80!
Have a 1965 WR timetable to look at as well, so that's a nice lazy Sunday morning lined up  :)
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Post by: Dizz on March 11, 2019, 11:41:41 PM
Needed a way for the little people to get on the rig: ladder between the feed pipes at one end, steps the other.4
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-110319233654.jpeg)
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Post by: LASteve on March 12, 2019, 02:31:42 AM
Out of interest, does the oil train book have any information about the Fawley - Fort Dunlop run?
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Post by: Dizz on March 12, 2019, 11:11:09 AM
Out of interest, does the oil train book have any information about the Fawley - Fort Dunlop run?
I will take a look this evening when I get home Steve and let you know.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on March 12, 2019, 09:28:02 PM
Got the heat shrink hoses fitted.  Cant do any more now until the rigs are glued to the base board................
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-120319212123.png)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/4918-120319212313.png)
Out of interest, does the oil train book have any information about the Fawley - Fort Dunlop run?
Lots of information about various rolling stock and operating procedures but nothing specific about the run you mentioned; in fact Fort Dunlop doesn't even appear in the index (neither does Brixham/Northfield Lane depot)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: LASteve on March 12, 2019, 10:47:54 PM
Lots of information about various rolling stock and operating procedures but nothing specific about the run you mentioned; in fact Fort Dunlop doesn't even appear in the index (neither does Brixham/Northfield Lane depot)
@Dizz (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4918) - Thanks for checking. Back in the day we always waited on Saturdays for the northbound oil train from Fawley - it was a lot of train and there was usually a "Peak" hauling it - a rare sight in Hampshire.

Those hoses look great!
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on March 18, 2019, 11:32:02 PM
Had a busy weekend again with no railway modelling time, but this evening I moved the fuel depot board onto a table in the middle of the man cave.  It will be much easier to work on now and I have made a start by getting a few Peco back scene sheets glued on and a coat of Woodland Scenics applied to the ply:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-180319212054.jpeg)
After a lot of consideration I have decided to go with the Dapol Easi-shunts for my uncoupling method.  I have come up with a cunning plan on which wagons will be fitted with the couplings and where the magnets will go.  I have bought enough gear to make a start fitting out the 4 fuel sidings and the 4 x 10 tanker rakes and now need to carry out at trial installation before I get stuck into track painting and ballasting.  In the mean time the search am looking for suitable barrier wagons with NEM pockets.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on March 22, 2019, 01:27:55 PM
A little progress this week:
Using the balsa block method again to run along the back joint between baseboard and back scene.  Temporarily connected the board back up to the mainline for testing/checking clearances.  The idea is the spur running in front of the track opening will be forested with trees to hide the hole even more:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-220319130207.jpeg)
Lots of carving and sanding (plus a lot of balsa waste) to get some shape. Green and brown base coat with a layer of mixed fine turf before gluing in place. Am sure the spur concept will work when fully landscaped:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-220319130238.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-220319130512.jpeg)
The cardboard tubes will get a layer of shaper sheet and plaster to make a hill and give a bit more relief in that area.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-220319130540.jpeg)
Test run of the Brixham Whippet
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-220319130644.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-220319130610.jpeg)

The station staff at Churston are getting excited: they are expecting a visit by a new diesel loco type later this afternoon  ;)



Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on March 22, 2019, 04:43:19 PM
Are you planning to post a picture Pete?
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on March 22, 2019, 04:54:30 PM
Was going to Martin....intelligence suggests a diesel hydraulic may have been running light to Churston along the sea wall  :D
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on March 22, 2019, 04:57:25 PM
Was going to Martin....intelligence suggests a diesel hydraulical may have been running light to Churston along the sea wall  :D
I believe that the local intelligence is correct.
I shall await your photo before I wrote any more.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on March 23, 2019, 01:48:28 AM
Eddie and team enjoyed the view out into Lyme Bay on the run along the sea wall, first entering Kennaway Tunnel at Dawlish
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-230319012450.jpeg)
and then easing the loco up to the permitted 75 mph between Parsons Tunnel and Teignmouth
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-230319012342.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-230319012426.jpeg)

Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on March 23, 2019, 02:33:28 AM
After the steep climb up from Goodrington the track briefly levels for Churston Station and the junction to Brixham. With the throttle closed Eddie allowed the new Hymek to coast under the road bridge into the down platform, past the Brixham Whippet simmering in the bay platform due to depart at t 14.25 having waited to provide a connection for the 14.15 Plymouth to Exeter service. A pannier tank with a short but colourful set of wagons was waiting in the Up cattle dock siding (visible on the far side with the train just out of shot), for the passenger train to come through before being released to shunt on to the main line.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-230319012524.jpeg)
Eddie gently applied the brakes, aiming to bring the loco to a stop exactly outside the Station Master's office.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-230319012600.jpeg)
Henry Woolston (Station Master) and Bob Cooper (Booking Clerk) had been looking forward to seeing the Hymek in the flesh and were stood on the platform waiting to greet the team.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-230319012639.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on March 23, 2019, 07:15:49 AM
Excellent photographs Pete
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Milton Rail on March 23, 2019, 07:26:57 AM
Great pictures Pete, the oil terminal loading platforms are looking excellent
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 23, 2019, 08:51:38 AM
Excellent photos. and a very good continuation of the story. Thanks, Pete. I look forward to seeing the departing train in due course.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on March 23, 2019, 09:54:51 AM
I’ll attempt, later, to photograh the pannier with its colourful rake of wagons which can then be replicated along the sea wall with the Hymek.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on March 24, 2019, 10:33:55 AM
I used the shaper sheet off-cuts left over from when I made the cliffs 10 months ago to cover the cardboard tube former.
Luckily I had just enough Woodland Scenics plaster to give a decent covering.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-240319101424.jpeg)
After 10 minutes was able to smooth out the high spots and after another 5 minutes it was hard enough to paint.
35 mins from start to finish :-)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-240319101529.jpeg)
Nice dry day today so ideal time to airbrush the rails ready for ballasting over the next week.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on March 24, 2019, 04:06:22 PM
I’ve had to cheat a little to include this photo and incdulge in a little geographic license
Anyway.......the four railwaymen aboard the Hymek had to wait just outside Churston station whilst the pannier arrived with four wagons from Brixham.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7857/32515248377_e23c9f31de_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Rxg9wD)2A88ED76-DE81-4552-8E81-5317D73F4EA6 (https://flic.kr/p/Rxg9wD) by martin scane (https://www.flickr.com/photos/162836309@N02/), on Flickr
The pannier will take its train into the station ready for he Hymek to back on to take the train back to Newton Abbot and on to Exeter.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 24, 2019, 08:32:45 PM
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign: Thanks for the updates Pete, taking shape nicely.
    The story just gets better & super photo Martin.   :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on March 24, 2019, 11:04:32 PM
Whilst the team in the Hymek enjoyed a mug of tea and some fruit scones that Mick Hatten had dropped off for the station staff, Henry Woolston briefed Eddie what would happen next.........
Shortly after the 14.15 departure to Exeter the Pannier tank and 4 wagons set back out of the cattle dock siding onto the up main and then ran forward into the up platform where the brakes were pinned down and the Pannier then carried on to Kingswear light engine.  Eddie eased the diesel back under the road bridge, then John Walker (Churston Signalman) set the points to allow the loco through the cross over and back onto the waiting wagons.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-240319220019.jpeg)
Once coupled up the team changed ends again and carried out a brake test. Word was sent to Whisky that all was good: he had already received "line clear" from Goodrington box so pulled off the home signal and the goods special was away
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-240319220042.jpeg)
It was all down hill to Goodrington, so once moving Eddie brought her back to notch 1 as they cleared the platform end.  The change in engine note made Henry look up from his desk and as the train passed under the road bridge he wondered what kind of meal he could concoct using eggs, spiced rum and fish.......
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-240319220104.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on March 24, 2019, 11:15:43 PM
Productive afternoon.....
More basic scatter around the back scene, rails airbrushed with sleeper grime and roof dirt in the loading sidings.  Dark earth scatter on the fueling rig bases (wont be able to get under there once they are glued to the baseboard.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-240319215936.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on March 25, 2019, 04:48:22 PM
The story continues.......

With the Hymek ticking over at the end of the platform, the four railwaymen climbed down. “Right”, said Barney Chadwick, “Lets join Whisky for a quick cuppa then we’ll take this train on to Exeter St Davids. I’ll explain exactly what we’ll be doing whilst we take our break”.
All four trooped over to the signalbox where Whisky Walker already had the kettle on the boil.
“Sit down lads” continued Barney, “ This is the plan. As you know, the railway has signed an agreement to transport perishable goods between several centres in the South West and that includes incoming goods from further afield. Initially that traffic will flow between Brixham and Exeter then Westwards to as far as Penzance. Being largely perishable goods, it is imperative that the train runs to an extremely tight schedule and this includes attaching and detaching wagons at various stations alng the route.  That’s where you come in Andrew. The experience gained on the Trepol Bay harbour incline will stand you in good stead. It is essential that wagons are shunted quickly but also, more importantly, safely. The rule book must be obeyed at all times”.
“I’m looking forward to the challenge” , chipped in Andrew Parks.
“Yes”, continued Barney, “You have developed an excellent working relationship with Eddie over there. I know that I can rely on the pair of you.  Now, the first train will run from Brixham to Penzance next Tuesday. Today is just a trial run as far as Exeter collecting a single van at Newton along the way.  We’ll add a few more vans tomorrow and continue the run to Penzance. And, we’ll  have a bit of shunting to do at a few selected locations along the route”.
“How many drops will there be on a normal run?”, asked Eddie Bligh.
Barney continued, “A good question. We are expecting shunting movements to take place at the following locations”, as he referred to a typed document he had in front of him, “Paignton, Torquay, Newton Abbot, Exeter, Okehampton, Halwill Junction, Launceston, Wadebridge, Trepol Bay, Port Perran, Redruth and Gwinnear Road”.
“That’s quite a list”, murmured Eddie, “Yes indeed”, replied Barney, “But it won’t be every location on each trip and there could, on accasions be extra stops. It all depends on the traffic carried on each trip. Now, time’s getting on, let’s get to work. I’ll ride in the cab with Eddie who’ll be driving. Andrew, you and Ted will be in the brakevan. Ted, here’s a copy of today’s schedule. As you see we’ll be picking up an extra van at Newton Abbot then we’ll take the train on to St David’s. Any questions?”
No one uttered a word as they trotted off towards the train.
At 15.30, Whisky gave them the road and the Hymek moved gently forward.
Title: Fuel Depot Update
Post by: Dizz on April 02, 2019, 12:08:54 PM
Having decided to go with the Dapol Easishunt coupling system I found some good advice lurking in the forum and have been experimenting with different sized rare earth magnets.  The 3mm diameter x 2mm height magnets fit nicely between the sleepers and have no problem operating the uncouple function, but don't have pull to open the arms far enough to engage the push-back facility.  I have ordered some stronger 3mm x 6mm magnets to try next. The outcome will determine where I finally fit the magnets and until that happens I can't crack on with ballasting the depot throat area and ends of the loop, but I have at least made a start on the ends of the sidings and the branch line. 
Anyway, yesterday a test mixed tanker train arrived to check clearances and magnet positioning, etc.  Included in the formation was a superb Briggs tanker that arrived in the post yesterday out of the blue.......I have no idea where it came from at the moment!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-020419105924.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-020419120409.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Newportnobby on April 02, 2019, 03:41:57 PM
Please keep us posted on the 3mm x 6mm magnets as the Dapol ones are a monstrous size really :hmmm:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on April 02, 2019, 04:45:37 PM
Please keep us posted on the 3mm x 6mm magnets as the Dapol ones are a monstrous size really :hmmm:
And price!
Just got home and the magnets had been delivered this morning. Am very happy with that: I only ordered them online Sunday evening :-)
Will get a test track set up this evening and report my findings  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on April 03, 2019, 12:25:42 AM
Spent a couple of hours trying different size magnets in various positions inside and outside the rail. Somewhat disappointing results.
The 6mm long ones proved to be too strong when inside and pulled the couplings downwards onto the track: outside the rail they didnt have enough pull to open the coupling.  The 4mm magnets behaved better, but didn't open the coupling enough to allow the push-back function, so no benefit over using cheaper 2mm magnets.
I have 6 locations on the whole layout where I would really like to be able to push back wagons so I am going to have to invest in some Dapol magnets to achieve that, but all the other locations can be fitted with 2mm magnets.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 03, 2019, 08:50:21 AM
Thanks for the updates, Pete. I wish you success in solving the uncoupling problem. The Briggs Dundee tanker wagon is a very nice addition to your collection.
Title: Easi-shunt coupling update
Post by: Dizz on April 07, 2019, 10:41:08 PM
Picked up some pucker Dapol magnets from KMRC on Thursday.......
Well they work as advertised, but are far too obvious for my liking so back to the small neodymium jobs.
Ordered a second batch from Magnet Expert On Friday and the arrived on Saturday  :D
I tried a 3mm daimeter x 2+4 mm (6mm  long overall)  combination between the sleepers.  No problem achieving an uncoupling every time, but only 50:50 at best on opening far enough to allow the "push back":
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-070419220250.png)
Next I tried 3mmX3mmx8mm long block magnet. A tight push fit between the sleepers/rails and worked a treat. Easily fully opened the couplings and 100% successful for push back, as shown below:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-070419220338.png)
However................ the magnet can easily short the rails and also stands about 1mm proud of the top of the sleepers, so isn't ideal.  There is  2.5x2.5x7mm magnet available, so have now ordered some of them to try.  Hopefully that will be it.
I have made a start on modifying 6 Peco tanker kits to have NEM pockets on one end. The conversion kit instructions are very clear and the process is quite straight forward.  The pockets are glued on with epoxy and I have left them to set overnight...........tests and photos tomorrow.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/4918-070419220423.png)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 07, 2019, 10:51:36 PM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign: 
    Thanks for the interesting update Pete, your patience will soon be rewarded
          regards Derek.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on April 07, 2019, 11:17:38 PM
:hellosign:   :greatpicturessign: 
    Thanks for the interesting update Pete, your patience will soon be rewarded
          regards Derek.
Am 98% sure this final batch will crack the full capability Derek.  Once I have confirmed operation and got some better photos I will update the  main Easishunt thread.
All the other magnets I have bought in the last week will not be wasted. They can still be used at specific uncoupling positions, (just not for push back).
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Newportnobby on April 08, 2019, 09:30:22 AM
I, for one, appreciate your experimentation and look forward to the results of the 2.5mm x 2.5mm x 7mm :thankyousign:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 08, 2019, 10:05:33 AM
I, for one, appreciate your experimentation and look forward to the results of the 2.5mm x 2.5mm x 7mm :thankyousign:

Seconded! I admire your patience and systematic approach which will, I'm sure, result in a satisfactory result for all locations and purposes.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Innovationgame on April 08, 2019, 12:07:16 PM
Good work!  I'll check the Easyshunt thread.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Train Waiting on April 08, 2019, 12:44:09 PM
Very clever stuff, Pete.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on April 09, 2019, 11:18:30 PM
This evening I finished 6 tankers fitted with an easishunt at one end to go on the end of rakes of 10 tankers (refuelling rig has 10 slots a side).
Fitting the NEM pocket conversions was a rather fulfilling job.  Followed the instructions and no problems, however the recommendation is to use epoxy glue as super glue wont bond the plastic: I found the exact opposite.  Have had 3 of the 6 pockets come off this evening, all re-glued with medium Zap-A-Gap CA and now solid.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/4918-090419230239.png)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/4918-090419230139.png)
Obviously then had to run some tests to make sure everything still works

It does  :D
This all took longer than anticipated so playing with the 2.5x2.5x7mm magnets will have to wait until Thursday evening now (I have checked the fit between the sleepers though and it looks fine)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 10, 2019, 01:36:16 PM
Excellent, Pete.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on April 16, 2019, 12:24:06 AM
Oooops, I have made an error! :-[ :(
The majority of the testing that I did in the last week was with 2 locos leading me to go with the new size magnets.  Having now installed them, when I move tanker and open wagons over the magnets either pulling or propelling there are no problems, but when I stop to release tension and  uncouple, 40% of the time I get this:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/4918-150419223541.png)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/4918-150419223628.png)
May get a different result when the magnets get covered with ballast though and I do have some stick-on lead tape; will just have to wait and see what happens tomorrow.
I have converted 2 open steel wagons(each with an easi-shunt coupling at one end) to use as barrier wagons at each end of a tanker rake and I have 4 more Peco kits on order which should be enough to be going on with.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/4918-150419223708.png)
I ballasted over the magnets this evening so the pva should be dry by tomorrow and permit some more testing.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 16, 2019, 07:12:13 AM
Oh, dear, Pete. I hope that, with some adjustments, you can solve this problem.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Newportnobby on April 16, 2019, 10:03:56 AM
 :doh:

Oooops, I have made an error! :-[ :(
The majority of the testing that I did in the last week was with 2 locos leading me to go with the new size magnets.

By 'new size' do you mean the 2.5.x.2.5 x 7.0 magnets, Pete?
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on April 16, 2019, 10:03:02 PM
:doh:


By 'new size' do you mean the 2.5.x.2.5 x 7.0 magnets, Pete?
Yes, afraid so, the 7mm square ones......and some 3mm diameter x 4mm long magnets mounted on either side of a sleeper gap as well.  Still occasionally doing it with a couple of mm ballast over the top. The next fix will be to apply some self adhesive lead tape (used by golfers to trim clubs) under the wagons to weigh them down.
Managed a bit more scenic work this evening: on track for the fuel depot to open in time to meet the delivery of my NGS shunter  :)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on April 16, 2019, 10:15:51 PM
On it's return from Cornwall to Exeter, 76063 had to stand in on a short run to Churston taking some wagons that had recently arrived from well out of the area to Sharkham Wagon Works for some cosmetic work.
The first time visitor to South Devon was caught leaving Parsons Tunnel
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/4918-160419215429.png)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/4918-160419220645.png)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Innovationgame on April 17, 2019, 06:46:14 AM
I've had trouble with the strength of the magnets.  In my case, one of the magnets comes unstuck from the board and attaches itself to the coupling.  I have now stuck it down with PVA and I hope that will do the trick.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 04, 2019, 11:02:45 AM
Looking forward to an update, in due course, Pete. It is rumoured that the special horsebox belonging to the mysterious Sir George Widgeon of Doncaster, is timetabled to pass through South Devon on its way to Tregonning from Doncaster, and also BR SR's sole BR Standard RFO S9 resplendent in immaculate BR SR Green with a party of VIPs. A pair of [Minitrix] BR Lined Maroon BR Standard coaches (CK and BCK) on Swindon's experimental new B4 bogies, which had worked via Worthy Junction, have also been reported in the area on another special Easter weekend working.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on May 28, 2019, 10:26:40 PM
Been a while but I haven't stopped since Easter.
Slowly progessed the fuel depot board scenics to arrive at a reasonable point ready for the arrival of the NGS ESSO shunter:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/4918-280519215820.jpeg)
Base layers of assorted WS fine turf followed by coarser materials to build up the texture and depth.  Laser cut 1/32" ply fencing on the out-side track
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/4918-280519215847.jpeg)
2mm and 4mm static grass on the hill next to the depot: not decided what to put in there yet.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/4918-280519215738.jpeg)
several different types of fine ballast.  Airbrushed sleeper grime and dark rust on the rails with a dusting of weathered black between the rails and over the fuelling rigs.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/4918-280519215919.jpeg)
Am happy with the way it has turned out so far.  Need to leave it at least another 24 hours for everything to dry-out properly.  Will then develop the flat area infront of the sidings with some underground tanks, a couple of small buildings and some general pump/filtering/valve depot infrastructure plus define the road route and surface.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on May 28, 2019, 10:45:32 PM
A grubby goods van, palvan and brake van seen at Tregonning in Cornwall at the weekend have worked their way up via Okehampton and Exeter to appear in a short goods heading for Brixham, seen here passing the fuel depot loop about a mile out from the station
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/4918-280519220025.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/4918-280519215955.jpeg)
Previously, a short rake of full mainly private owner tankers had been made-up in the loop awaiting the remaining tankers to complete filling at the rigs.  The 40 Tanker+ 4 barrier will then depart overnight to the Cotswolds where the Aviation fuel will be off loaded into the RAF underground pipeline distribution network.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/4918-280519220118.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: chrispix on May 28, 2019, 11:10:43 PM
Love the look, were you able to figure out the magnet issue?
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on May 29, 2019, 10:03:08 AM
Love the look, were you able to figure out the magnet issue?
Thank you. 
Yes, a few grams of lead has fixed the tipping wagon issue. You can see the blue 5g temporary fix weights sitting in the mineral wagons in the photos of the fuel depot above: when I get around to it I will tidy them up and paint them so they look as if they are meant to be there.  A temporary weight under the tanker wagon frame works as well, but permanently modifying the 6 easi-shunt tankers is a bit more involved and I'm waiting for some more self adhesive lead tape to arrive (the stuff golfers use to tune their clubs). I have another 4 tanker kits destined for the easi-shunt mod waiting to be made and these will have the weight installed internally in the tank during build.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 30, 2019, 03:59:49 PM
 :hellosign: :greatpicturessign:.
Thanks for the updates Pete, Very nice modelling, all looking good  :thumbsup:
         regards Derek
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on June 01, 2019, 11:42:37 PM
Sharkham Wagon Works has made a start on the 4 Mk2 Peco Tankers.  First step was to cut up a couple M7 bolts to provide the weight to inside the tanks:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/4918-010619225442.jpeg)
I got the plaster on the Shaper Sheet yesterday before we popped up to Brixham for the night.  It was nice and warm today so when I got back to Portreath this evening it was solid as a rock and I was able to apply a couple coats of WS undercoat.  Got some earth/soil scatter down alongside the ballast after taking teh photo (to dry overnight) and will finish the green scatter tomorrow.
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Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on June 03, 2019, 12:19:40 AM
Aerial photo after today's efforts.....
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/4918-020619235328.jpeg)
Assorted WS fine turf built up in several layers blended together.  Have some Kestrel kits in the possible use box so decided to convert the stables in to a pump/valve house.  I have started making up 2.4mm and 3.2mm plastic tubing up into an overground system connecting the tanks and fuelling rigs.  If the pva dries out enough by tomorrow evening I will be able to fit the pipes.....if not my next shed session wont be until Thursday.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/4918-020619235400.jpeg)
The board is now pretty close to the basic scenic level I am aiming for: the remaining work I want to do can easily be reached from the front so I have re-fitted the board into it's space next to Churston.  Regardless whether the fine turf has dried or not, tomorrow I will be able to match the scenic work across the board join to hide the join line.  I am also fettling some trees to go on the spur infront of the opening to behind the back board.(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/4918-020619235430.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on June 03, 2019, 12:26:52 AM
Anyway, with the good progress made on the fuel depot and the board being back in place I couldn't resist sending a short test train into the loop.
6313 with 6 tankers for filling. 
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/4918-020619235455.jpeg)
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Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 03, 2019, 05:20:08 PM
Many thanks for the updates, Pete. Very good to see the excellent progress on the scenic work, as well as the tank wagons and the fuel depot. Using some Kestrel kits to make a pump/valve house looks an excellent solution.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on June 13, 2019, 09:30:30 PM
So busy but really wanted to get something done this week.  Over the last week or so I made about a dozen trees from Woodland Scenics armatures.  The aim was to disguise the gap in the back scene where the main line and siding disappear - see the photo above in reply 303.
Some of the trees were a bit too big so will have to find a home somewhere else, however the ones that looked ok have done the job.
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Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on June 13, 2019, 09:37:52 PM
Due to unforeseen circumstances (and the fact I'm a HST-o-holic) I indulged in a little retail therapy.......
The Flying Banana in a stop over in the fuel depot loop
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And then moving off for a night run to Penzance
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May be able to get some photos of it on the sea wall on the return trip tomorrow ;)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on June 13, 2019, 09:59:17 PM
Looks really good Pete.
The Flying Banana is an excellent addition.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on June 13, 2019, 10:21:53 PM
Looks really good Pete.
The Flying Banana is an excellent addition.
Thanks Martin......am now happy to move on to the Brixham mileage siding board next week.
Been after the NMT for a while and am really chuffed with this one. Just the prototype HST to go now. ::)
I saw the NMT in the flesh so to speak at Hayle about 8 months ago. Must be down here more often than that though.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: port perran on June 14, 2019, 06:18:19 AM
Looks really good Pete.
The Flying Banana is an excellent addition.
Thanks Martin......am now happy to move on to the Brixham mileage siding board next week.
Been after the NMT for a while and am really chuffed with this one. Just the prototype HST to go now. ::)
I saw the NMT in the flesh so to speak at Hayle about 8 months ago. Must be down here more often than that though.
Yes, it’s down fairly regularly. I’ve seen it several times.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 14, 2019, 08:19:35 AM
Thanks for the photos. and update, Pete. The trees look very good. When you've time try to vary slightly the shades of green. If you look at a group of trees they seldom have exactly the same shade of green.

I particularly like the first photo. with the back of the goods train.

No doubt the real 'Flying Banana2 will be in service for some years, yet.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on June 14, 2019, 10:08:41 AM
Probably lost a bit in the light and camera phone, but I used 4 different WS foliage colours and randomly sprinkled 3 different fine turf colours so there actually 12 different variations.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/4918-140619101851.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 14, 2019, 10:24:39 AM
Probably lost a bit in the light and camera phone, but I used 4 different WS foliage colours and randomly sprinkled 3 different fine turf colours so there actually 12 different variations.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/4918-140619101851.jpeg)

My apologies, Pete. It must be the lighting and the camera phone. It is indeed the subtle variations (I just looked out my window) that you see in nature in late spring / early summer, which is the time of year I chose for Cant Cove. I still have to do more work on my trees.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on June 14, 2019, 11:06:01 AM
TB is the same time frame, think most people choose late spring/early summer because of the variation in vegetation.
Am off to KMRC after the dentists to get some Noch flower scatter (pack of white, yellow and pink) to create the Hawthorne and Elderberry blossom effect. Also the glue is drying on some Gorse and Rhodendron bushes I made last night to add further down the line near the fuel depot loop.👍👍

Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 14, 2019, 12:00:36 PM
Hope the dentist visit goes as well as can be expected, Pete. I'll be very interested to see your Hawthorne and Elderberry blossom effect and your Gorse and Rhodendron bushes that you made last night. I've tried to make both and, while the gorse came out quite well, the Rhodendron less so.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Train Waiting on June 14, 2019, 01:10:37 PM
Probably lost a bit in the light and camera phone, but I used 4 different WS foliage colours and randomly sprinkled 3 different fine turf colours so there actually 12 different variations.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/4918-140619101851.jpeg)

It's not fair!  You chaps are talking about the colour of trees and I'm waiting so patiently for my tennis ball to be thrown.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on June 14, 2019, 03:23:47 PM
Buffy actually had her eye on 2 crows that had dared to land in her field😉
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on June 14, 2019, 03:45:08 PM
On the way back up from overnight at Penzance the NMT did a run St Erth to St Ives and another Truro to Falmouth docks before heading home to the North East. Last seen just before lunch at Dawlish crossing a GWR Castle set on the 11.38 Exeter to Penzance.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/4918-140619152910.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 14, 2019, 10:22:09 PM
 :hellosign:.  :greatpicturessign:
   Many thanks for the updates Pete all looking really good. Love the HSTs always good to see both real & model, my Swallow liveried example is due a run soon.
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Dizz on June 15, 2019, 01:49:04 AM
:hellosign:.  :greatpicturessign:
   Many thanks for the updates Pete all looking really good. Love the HSTs always good to see both real & model, my Swallow liveried example is due a run soon.
    regards Derek.
Thanks Derek.
Like a lot of people I have a thing for HSTs. I remember being very excited back in October 1978 when I had my first trip on a 125 from Paddington to Newton Abbot the first weekend home from College. Great servants to the railway but things move on. Waiting for the 800s to be produced in n gauge now.....could be a while!
Back to early 60s through running next week.
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Bealman on June 15, 2019, 02:53:20 AM
Great pic.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Tora Bora Line
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 15, 2019, 03:16:26 PM
I also remember with great pleasure, the early days of the HSTs or InterCity 12's as they became known as. I remember a BR model showing that, originally, the bodyside horizontal stripe on the power car was to have been black and not BR Blue. It looked very good.