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Title: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on August 21, 2017, 06:14:00 PM
Hi all,

Finally introducing my French/Spanish border layout.

There will be pics to explain my ramblings later tonight but don't want to lose what I have written as have done that before  :doh:

I will be going further into the history of the layout with hopefully storylines/scenarios etc. in the future but basically it is a fictional principality, independent of France and Spain, on a large peninsular sticking out into the Mediterranean between the real towns of Cerbere and Port Bou.

I will do a map another time to explain the geography further but the layout depicts the area around the fictional town of Tutera which was the first to acquire railways, firstly broad gauge Spanish and then standard gauge French, due to a large seam of Flourite discovered  in the principality. More of that another time.

The layout is very roughly 8' x 2 1/2' on three sides with a link on the fourth side. One of the three sides is wider as it will have another layout (Port de Regleun, a Brittany ferry port terminus) to be built at a later date, separate scenically but linked to run trains round.

The boards are 6mm MDF on Ikea trestle tables. The track is all Kato Unitrack and at the moment is really just a large double oval of track, one being SNCF (France) the other RENFE (Spain). I have decided to concentrate on the through beach station of Platja de Teixir rather than the terminus station of Tutera so I can do a bit of scenery but test and more importantly run trains. Tutera hasn't been planned yet, although has access, but trying not to rush everything after not doing a lot and then regretting it.

The layout is mainly set in the '80s and '90s from my travelling memories but also, on other operating days, in the '60s giving me a chance to dabble in steam and early diesels.

I'll leave it there but pics to follow soon which hopefully will explain all.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on August 21, 2017, 06:17:08 PM
Sounds amazing!  I look forward to hearing more, much more.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: austinbob on August 21, 2017, 06:27:05 PM
What an interesting idea.... Show us more when you're ready.
 :hmmm: :) :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on August 21, 2017, 08:08:49 PM
Hi again,

Still having problems with the photos. It's nothing to do with Photobucket. It's my computer. Hopefully this is a helicopter view of the layout.....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/735-210817200339.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54393)

Will try more if I can.

Cheers weave, getting  :beers:

Edit. OK. That worked, Platja de Teixir on left, Spanish line on outside, French inside. Spanish headshunt and sidings on right although not fixed yet. Tutera station will be in the foreground of the board in front of the window.

Leaving this post there as getting frustrated and had all intentions of getting it right. Will plod on to another in a mo hopefully.



Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on August 21, 2017, 08:38:03 PM
You're doing really well, Weave. Don't lose heart but keep on doing what you've been doing :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on August 21, 2017, 08:44:45 PM
I agree with Mick. Keep going. It's looking good so please don't give up.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 21, 2017, 08:47:17 PM
The track is all Kato Unitrack...

What, no Ibertren 3-rail?    :D  :D
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on August 21, 2017, 09:09:40 PM
Thanks guys but think I'll have to give up on the photos til tomorrow.

The wife struggled but she did that one. She thinks she knows the problem but has to be up very early tomorrow so has gone to bed but promises to try and sort it out when she gets home.

Thanks for looking and hope to be properly up and running very soon.

computadores  :veryangry2:

Salud (et Sante) Weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on August 21, 2017, 10:09:30 PM
Hi again,

As it's my thread I'm going to hijack it re the computer. Remember I don't know anything about computers but the forum says it can only take 7.81 MB but on the first of the 'My Pictures' files I have uploaded I just noticed it says it's 13.1 MB.

There are only 8 pictures on each of 2 files so does this mean the pictures are too big? They were uploaded from an email by the way, or are there too many (it says Zip whatever that means) pics on each?

I don't know what my wife did re first pic and am sure she can sort it all tomorrow but if anyone's bored enough to help me now that would be grand.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 21, 2017, 10:39:37 PM
Hello Chris, I too am not brilliant with technology but please persevere as the start is looking really good. Thanks for the updates
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Rowlie on August 21, 2017, 10:40:02 PM
Whata great idea for a layout, looking forward to watching this develop
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 21, 2017, 11:12:09 PM
Hmm... does sound like the photos are rather large if their size is several Mb? 

In other forums I frequent, photos directly uploaded to the form (ie. not hosted on a 3rd party site) are usually expected to be maybe 200-300Kb.  Must admit, one I uploaded to here earlier was actually 3Mb, thought it took a rather a long while to upload!  I probably should have resized it/recompressed it before uploading.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Innovationgame on August 22, 2017, 06:20:13 AM
If you upload to 'My Gallery' (under Gallery above) you can link them straight into you topic.  Try reducing the size with an editor to say 1600 X 900.  That should reduce the file size to a few hundred kilobytes.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 22, 2017, 07:22:02 AM
Hi Weave, great looking start.
If you are taking the photos on a phone try emailing them to yourself. Most phones will spot large photos and offer the chance to re-size before you send. You can then upload the smaller photos to your gallery on the forum. Hope that this makes sense, and helps.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on August 22, 2017, 09:34:26 PM
Hola and Salut my friends,

If this goes right you will be seeing the belated Friday late morning RENFE Estrella Express from Sant Cristofol to Oviedo and Gijon carrying Asturian Flourite mine workers home for the Weekend passing an SNCF Corail Express from Avignon, with through overnight couchette coaches from Calais, just outside Platja de Teixir.

Alternatively, my dogs will be hearing rather choice language as the computer is thrown out of the window.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/735-220817211824.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54416)

Fingers crossed, here we go..


Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on August 22, 2017, 09:40:16 PM
The dogs are fine.
Great picture. Looks good.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on August 22, 2017, 09:41:17 PM
Another success. Looks like you've cracked it :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on August 22, 2017, 09:46:18 PM
Hi,

Thanks to all for their help on here and the other computer help thread. Think it's sussed so few more pics very soon!

 :claphappy: and woofs!

weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on August 22, 2017, 09:48:49 PM
Hi,

Thanks to all for their help on here and the other computer help thread. Think it's sussed so few more pics very soon!

 :claphappy: and woofs!

weave  :beers:

Looking forward to the next batch of photographs
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on August 22, 2017, 10:11:01 PM
Hi again,

Few more pics, closer pic of the Tutera junction,


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/735-220817215716.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54417)

closer pic of Platja de Teixir station

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/735-220817220112.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54418)

Pic of where Port de Regleun will be built in the future (where all the tools and clutter is)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/735-220817220248.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54419)

More later, don't want to push it.

Also there will be edits as can't remember exactly what the photos are  :)

Still happy though,

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on August 22, 2017, 10:14:31 PM
You've obviously got the hang of this now.
Keep those pictures coming.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on August 22, 2017, 11:13:50 PM
Hi all,

Last of the pics for the moment but hopefully more at the Weekend. I have drawn a map of Izaro but can't remember how to upload it  :dunce: but will do that in the next few days and using a few of the previous pics it'll be easier to explain what I'm trying to achieve.

Couple more of the previously seen trains...


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/735-220817223429.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54420)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/735-220817223545.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54421)


...and this is the 'El Gaitero' restaurant. It's a mish mash of kit bash, scratch build (maybe) and obvious bought items. It's not quite finished yet. I've got more tables and chairs but after a tidy up I can't find them. Also the outside bar on the right needs a roof so the punters don't burn and the beer and Asturian cider doesn't get warm.

The restaurant will obviously be set in both eras of the layout. The owners are currently in Cornwall attending a Samphire Masterchef competition in 1962 so hopefully all the building work will be completed for their return (with hopefully the Chelsea Girls +) and then train pics of that era to follow.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/735-220817223823.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54422)

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS. The track behind will be in a tunnel in case you were thinking of cancelling your reservation  :D

Oh, and a beach at the front!
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: BoxTunnel on August 23, 2017, 02:24:42 AM
Table for two on Wednesday please! ;D
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Innovationgame on August 23, 2017, 06:19:47 AM
Pity about the tunnel.  I was hoping to watch the trains go by as I enjoyed my meal!
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on August 23, 2017, 06:22:54 AM
I love the restaurant. It'll look great with the sea in front.
I can almost taste tge red wine already.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 23, 2017, 07:13:07 AM
Looking good Weave, and congratulations on cracking the picture posting. Any San Miguel in stock? :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on August 24, 2017, 12:24:51 AM
Thanks guys,

Laurence, the tunnel mouth will begin just before the sharp curve to give the impression of going straight on so you can watch the trains from your patio table


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/735-240817001955.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54438)

The beach station is based very very loosely on Sant Pol de Mar way down the coast, a beach I'd love to go to...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/St_Pol_de_Mar%2C_Catalunya_%2826523401122%29.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/St_Pol_de_Mar%2C_Catalunya_%2826523401122%29.jpg)


http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/30437843.jpg (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/30437843.jpg)

I won't be able to do the buildings probably as don't have enough room and Spanish type buildings are hard to find. Have got some Tomix apartment blocks that look like Med hotels so they will appear somewhere later.

Keith, San Miguel, Estrella Damm etc., you name it we got it! Saying that, Martin, not sure about tge red wine but we'll try and get some in  ;).

Thanks for the interest.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 26, 2017, 10:45:16 PM
 :hellosign:  &   :greatpicturessign:  Thanks for the updates Chris developing nicely
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Mito on August 27, 2017, 09:01:50 PM
¡Buenissimo! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on September 04, 2017, 10:40:45 AM

Hi all,

Have been working on the area around the restaurant but nothing really pic worthy. I've also set up a test track in the area in front of the window where Tutera station will be eventually . All a bit chaotic with locos and coaches everywhere seeing what works and what doesn't. Will have a tidy up this week and post more pics soon.

These photos are really for me as I can't go up to the train room too late as the dogs go bonkers and wake my wife up. Tutera station is a long way off but loosely based on Tarragona. Tarragona is a through station and Tutera a terminus but pics give me inspiration for future planning.

Tarragona station....
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Port_of_Tarragona.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Port_of_Tarragona.jpg)

Original layout pic...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/735-040917102206.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54932)

As I said more pics with slight progress at the weekend, hopefully.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS. Think I'll have to find some sort of port backscene. Not sure, still planning.


Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on September 04, 2017, 11:01:58 AM
I can't go up to the train room too late as the dogs go bonkers and wake my wife up.

I've put a dog bed in the layout room to encourage settling down and it's worked quite well.  Dunno if something similar might work for you?
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on September 04, 2017, 11:42:17 AM
Thanks Steve but no.

Apart from the fact that I don't really want dog hair in there, there are 4 of them.

Sophie would be fine, William hates me for some reason (think it's because I smoke) so wouldn't come in, Guinness would then bark and bark at me and William outside and Saskia would try to eat everything.

I love them all but the train room is completely out of bounds.

Cheers and woofs weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Mito on September 04, 2017, 03:45:29 PM
I hope you're not going to include the smell from the refinery too at Tutera. :no:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on September 04, 2017, 10:26:23 PM
Hi Mito,

What are you saying. Looked it up and all the tourism sites say how beautiful the refinery looks when lit up at night. They must be from Port Talbot and used to the smell. (Sorry anyone from Port Talbot  :worried:).

Seriously, it's more about having a largish station by a beach, that doesn't look wrong, for ideas. It's the only one I could find that wasn't a harbour station except for Penzance (have ideas from there too). If anyone knows of others I'd be very grateful for any input.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Mito on September 05, 2017, 09:29:16 PM
http://juanalmarzapozuelo.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/el-ferrocarril-cartagena-y-su-estacion.html (http://juanalmarzapozuelo.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/el-ferrocarril-cartagena-y-su-estacion.html)

http://historiastren.blogspot.com.es/2013/12/el-ferrocarril-de-alicante-murcia.html (http://historiastren.blogspot.com.es/2013/12/el-ferrocarril-de-alicante-murcia.html)

http://www.barriodebenalua.es/2007/09/la-estacin-de-benala-ii-la-terminal-y.html (http://www.barriodebenalua.es/2007/09/la-estacin-de-benala-ii-la-terminal-y.html)

Chris, I don't know if these links are any good. The best I think is the last.
There used to be two stations in Alicante, one serving Madrid ( Ferrocaril MZA) and the second seving Murcia and Cartagena, now totally disappeared. It left Alicante, single track, following the coast line for about 5km. The photos may give you some ideas. I can't yet find anymore info or track plans but will search if you want. The text is in Spanish, I don't know if you understand the lingo but I'll translate if there's anything you don't understand.
Cheers,
Brian

PS. the lights on the refinery are so beautiful that they completely take the smell away. :D
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: bluedepot on September 05, 2017, 09:38:05 PM
very interesting!

what spanish diesels do you have?

how about dual standard/iberian gauge track somewhere!


tim
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on September 06, 2017, 07:51:37 AM
[url]http://juanalmarzapozuelo.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/el-ferrocarril-cartagena-y-su-estacion.html[/url] ([url]http://juanalmarzapozuelo.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/el-ferrocarril-cartagena-y-su-estacion.html[/url])

[url]http://historiastren.blogspot.com.es/2013/12/el-ferrocarril-de-alicante-murcia.html[/url] ([url]http://historiastren.blogspot.com.es/2013/12/el-ferrocarril-de-alicante-murcia.html[/url])

[url]http://www.barriodebenalua.es/2007/09/la-estacin-de-benala-ii-la-terminal-y.html[/url] ([url]http://www.barriodebenalua.es/2007/09/la-estacin-de-benala-ii-la-terminal-y.html[/url])

Chris, I don't know if these links are any good. The best I think is the last.
There used to be two stations in Alicante, one serving Madrid ( Ferrocaril MZA) and the second seving Murcia and Cartagena, now totally disappeared. It left Alicante, single track, following the coast line for about 5km. The photos may give you some ideas. I can't yet find anymore info or track plans but will search if you want. The text is in Spanish, I don't know if you understand the lingo but I'll translate if there's anything you don't understand.
Cheers,
Brian

PS. the lights on the refinery are so beautiful that they completely take the smell away. :D


Hi Brian,

Thanks for those. They will be very useful for the '60s running days on the layout. I know practically nothing about steam in the UK let alone Spain, I just liked the idea of dabbling in steam, so any info is good.

Regarding the lingo, I have an A Level in Spanish (only a grade D though) but then lived for a about 4 months in a small town outside Madrid where only 2 people spoke English so it improved dramatically. Unfortunately a lot is forgotten although I think it's in the brain somewhere so will read through at a leisurely rate, dictionary in hand.

Cheers weave.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on September 06, 2017, 08:42:35 AM
very interesting!

what spanish diesels do you have?

how about dual standard/iberian gauge track somewhere!


tim

Hi Tim,

I've only got 4 Spanish diesels at the moment.

For the '80s/'90s Arnold RENFE 321 in 'taxi' livery (although it's playing up a bit, not sure why)
                         Arnold RENFE 354 'Virgen de Aranzazu' in blue/white (recent purchase from my lovely wife for my
                         birthday but can't open it until tomorrow)

For the '60s        Arnold RENFE 316 in 'silver/green' livery (very nice). (EDIT RENFE 1800/318). Might not be a
                         prototypical formation but have some nice era III coaches for it (Butacas and CIWL). Hopefully
                         pics at the Weekend.

For both             Roco RENFE 307 (their version of the SNCF 63000). Old thing off ebay but seems to run OK.

Regarding the dual track, I have thought about it. The main station of Tutera hasn't really been planned yet but if you look on the overall view pic there is a local line, which is just SNCF at the moment, coming round from the top right. This might have to become a dual line as crossing it over to the main SNCF line might take up too much space and be complicated with the Kato track set up.

I've also thought about a Talgo gauge changer which could help out the real chaos at Port Bou caused by it during the Summer months but the space would need careful planning.

Also thought about Izaro having it's own liveried railway.

All things for me to think about.

Cheers for the interest,

weave :beers:.


                 
                         
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: bluedepot on September 07, 2017, 04:35:04 PM
oh ok nice.

I like 321s - I wouldn't mind one in ho. the Arnold one looks good in n too. I also like 333s with the squarish cabs.

you don't see many spanish layouts so will be following your progress!

I'll email kato for you to suggest they make dual gauge track! there must be some demand in Japan as well surely for standard and 3 foot six, and maybe they could make something to at least represent standard and Iberian or russian gauge, even if it's just pretend...


Tim


Tim
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on September 07, 2017, 09:47:06 PM
Hi all,

Still looking for stations near beaches but just thought I'd show a pic of a real Renfe 321 loco, not so much for the loco but for the sky. Feels like I haven't seen it for ages  :(....

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8217/29267730605_6a52f4e88b_b.jpg

Makes me feel warmer sitting here in a jumper.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS. That's the great thing about RENFE, they cater for people getting older and forgetting loco classes! It's the one on the left  :D
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Mito on September 07, 2017, 10:15:18 PM
http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?railroad=Renfe (http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?railroad=Renfe)

http://www.snipview.com/q/Diesel%20locomotives%20of%20Spain?album=12091370 (http://www.snipview.com/q/Diesel%20locomotives%20of%20Spain?album=12091370)

A couple more links you might be interested in.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: bluedepot on September 08, 2017, 08:03:14 PM
cheers will look at those links

I like the look of some of their american diesels, 321 were alco I think, but I've seen pics of others that were baldwin or gm... unfortunately in the really old pictures they didn't put massive class numbers on the locos so not sure what they are, plus numbering system was different anyway...

Tim
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Mito on September 08, 2017, 09:31:36 PM
I don't know a great deal about Spanish railways, but a lot of the diesels are American and the early steam locos were British built. Alot of the original track was laid by British companies so why they chose 6 Castillian feet as the gauge rather then standard gauge is strange.
Sorry Weave, I'll shut up now and sorry for hi-jacking your thread.
Cheers, Brian
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on September 08, 2017, 09:43:18 PM
Hi all,

Bit more reference......

http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/spain/spain_renfe_del.html (http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/spain/spain_renfe_del.html)

Tim, forgot, I have a Startrain 308 diesel in grey and red. Poor thing was literally forgotten (don't know how you can forget you have a locomotive) but it was in a box with some spares/repairs coaches. Nothing wrong with it, practically brand new.

 I normally blame red wine on my memory loss but age is starting to creep in. Oh, and cider. Anyway another loco  :claphappy:

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on September 08, 2017, 09:50:06 PM
I don't know a great deal about Spanish railways, but a lot of the diesels are American and the early steam locos were British built. Alot of the original track was laid by British companies so why they chose 6 Castillian feet as the gauge rather then standard gauge is strange.
Sorry Weave, I'll shut up now and sorry for hi-jacking your thread.
Cheers, Brian

Hi Brian,

No worries. Hijack away. Think the 'Continental' folk are more interested in Swiss and German anyway.

Mas vino para nuestros (or is it por nuestros). EDIT Nosotros not nuestros. Need to go back to school  :doh:

Gracias y salud,

weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Mito on September 08, 2017, 09:59:57 PM
Quote
No worries. Hijack away. Think the 'Continental' folk are more interested in Swiss and German anyway.

Mas vino para nuestros (or is it por nuestros).

Gracias y salud,

weave  :beers:

I use para, but my Spanish was learnt on the streets. I've never studied it. Oh, it's nosotros (us). Nuestros is ours. Class over!!
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on September 08, 2017, 11:14:43 PM
Hola Brian,

I did edit the 'us' word before your reply but only by 4 minutes. It is para although I know Spanish people who don't know when to use para or por.

Have been having a tidy up of the guest bedroom as having guests soon. Unfortunately it means more boxes in the train room so lots more clutter but still hope to do some pics over the Weekend. However, I did find my old O Level Spanish book from school (with NOT TO BE REMOVED FROM ******** SCHOOL on the front  :), used to steal anything in those days  :D  :no:) so might start another hobby and refresh my memory.

Will try to get my own thread 'ON Topic' soon.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on September 19, 2017, 08:51:47 PM
Hola,

Not a great deal to report due to work, man flu (which is a very serious condition despite what women say  ;)) and trying to sort the rolling stock into firstly, what works and what doesn't on a test track where Tutera station will be, then boxing and labeling, which I thought would sort the chaos but seems to have added to it (taking ages although that's mainly due to watching TV, being on here and drinking  :)). Oh, and man flu!

As usual, fumbling with pics. I know people like track plans but as I haven't really got one at the moment (except the overview pic) that'll have to wait but I wanted to show a map of the principality of Izaro so I can explain train movements in the future.

It's not a great map but I tried uploading from 'paint' but it keeps saying 'forbidden' (probably my artwork!) so printed and took a pic so hope this works. The colours were better but the printer ink is not up to date.....


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/735-190917202120.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55973)

Few explanations and a couple more pics if this works soon.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Edit PS. On it's side wasn't me, honest!

Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on September 19, 2017, 09:07:29 PM
Hola again.

Forgot to say the map is not to scale and also some neighbours have just come round as there seems to be some sort of drain problem between our properties. Nothing serious I believe but will have to post more later.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on September 21, 2017, 10:03:47 PM
Hi all,

The drain was sorted if anyone was vaguely interested  :no:

I hope to get the maps the right way round and do better explanations of train movements and what the different places are soon but if you don't mind a cricked neck....

Overall layout....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/735-210917205604.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56056)

Map of modeled area.....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/735-210917210309.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56059)

Trains come in from Spain/Portugal and France/other places in Europe towards Sant Cristofol and SNCF hauled ones to Pont Castell and Estepera (see previous map) in a roundy roundy, again and again type way. Eventually their destination will change to Tutera terminus station (yet to be built) where trains can be divided, some coaches marshalled (if that's the right word) to the RENFE storage sidings (in pic) or the SNCF ones at Tutera station itself.

Trains, with through coaches, will then be taken on the non electrified line to Casilda which is predominantly a holy site, the shrine of Santa Nuria de Casilda being visited by thousands of pilgrims every year, most traveling by train.

 Also local Euro gauge trains will serve Tutera.

Goods trains will come and go from the Flourite mine at Llera and to and from the famous furniture makers of Pont Castell.

Hope that all makes sense to anyone interested.

I've started to make the backing for the hills around Platja de Teixir and the sea base, although not too sure about the curves, but have to sit in there somehow......



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/735-210917214708.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56062)


Just a few pics as well,

Renfe 308 dropping of some Moritz beer from Barcelona to the El Gaitero bar/restaurant and some local hotels...



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/735-210917215535.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56063)




(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/735-210917215630.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56064)


and an SNCF 25500 hauling some Transcereales wagons to Sant Cristofol, passing a TER (Tren Espanol Rapido) from Tutera to Valencia via Barcelona....





(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/735-210917220149.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56066)


Cheers, Salud and Sante, weave

 :beers:,  :beers:,  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Innovationgame on September 22, 2017, 06:40:06 AM
It's all coming along nicely and the main thing is, you've got some trains running!
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Bealman on September 22, 2017, 06:43:43 AM
Wot Laurence said  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: keithbythe sea on September 22, 2017, 07:00:03 AM
As above, and good to see more beer arriving. :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on September 22, 2017, 07:17:15 AM
Great to see some pictures.
Keep them coming.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Milton Rail on September 22, 2017, 09:23:33 AM
Good update, great to see some more layout pics - hope you have managed to shake off the man flu  (and fix the drains)
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 05, 2017, 01:16:52 PM
 :hellosign: Nice progress Chris, look forward to more presently
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on November 01, 2017, 12:37:17 AM
Hola amigos,

Have done a bit more on the layout and was hoping to post some pics (and will do so soon).

However, and a big HOWEVER. Due to a change in personal circumstances it looks like we might have to move next year. All slightly up in the air at the moment but pretty much on the cards  :(.

I have to have an operation on my ankle in January (which is only a small part of the problem) so was going to do as much as I could on the Izaro layout beforehand and then start the Port de Regleun (Brittany layout) while off work for 3 months as it would have easier access.

With the potential move I don't see much point in doing much more as both would have to be ripped up as the idea was for them to be permanent.

I will still work on things (have been working on my Irish ferry for the future Port de Regleun layout to cheer myself up a bit) and I can still run trains around the Izaro layout.

I was going at broken down snail's pace anyway but just to let you all know.

Solace in cider,

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Innovationgame on November 01, 2017, 06:26:38 AM
I hope things turn out OK in the end.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 01, 2017, 06:55:38 AM
Looking forward to seeing the pictures. Hope that everything gets sorted as quickly as possible.  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: bluedepot on November 01, 2017, 08:43:16 AM
good luck with operation and moving

Tim
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on November 01, 2017, 08:49:56 AM
Good luck with all that.  Having just moved I’m painfully aware of just how long the process can take.  I survived by playing with a Kato layout initially, then when that had to be packed away I dabbled in 1/48 plastic tank kits for the best part of a year!
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: RailGooner on November 01, 2017, 09:22:51 AM
I like this thread as there's relatively little on the Iberian Peninsula here. I hope everything works out OK Weave. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: RicardoFig on November 01, 2017, 03:45:31 PM
Good luck for both, operation and moving.  ;)

Just found this thread today and i am not sure what i like the best: the Spanish rolling stock or the whole fictional story behind the layout.  :heart2:

I hope that in the end the project goes on, and i strongly encourage you to create a Principiat own railway company, with its own rolling stock and painting scheme.


Just before i started my actual project in N-Scale, i had a fictional truck & urban bus company on a fictional Portuguese village in 1:87 (mainly Herpa and Rietze units repainted), and the freedom to create and imagine is huge, so much that in a later stage in this layout i am thinking of a fictional railroad company for my branch line.  :beers: :heart2:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 02, 2017, 09:29:44 PM
Hola amigos,

Have done a bit more on the layout and was hoping to post some pics (and will do so soon).

However, and a big HOWEVER. Due to a change in personal circumstances it looks like we might have to move next year. All slightly up in the air at the moment but pretty much on the cards  :(.

I have to have an operation on my ankle in January (which is only a small part of the problem) so was going to do as much as I could on the Izaro layout beforehand and then start the Port de Regleun (Brittany layout) while off work for 3 months as it would have easier access.

With the potential move I don't see much point in doing much more as both would have to be ripped up as the idea was for them to be permanent.

I will still work on things (have been working on my Irish ferry for the future Port de Regleun layout to cheer myself up a bit) and I can still run trains around the Izaro layout.

I was going at broken down snail's pace anyway but just to let you all know.

Solace in cider,

Cheers weave  :beers:
:hellosign: Sorry to hear of your woes Chris hope all turns out OK real soon & love to see any photos
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on November 02, 2017, 10:50:40 PM
Hi all and thank you,

I'm not going into the personal circumstances and say that we're downsizing, but basically we're downsizing  :D.

However, in very unheated discussions with the Overlord, her suggestion (bless her), a third bedroom (or train room) is a necessity so not all lost. The room size is obviously not known yet but we'll see.

I'd like to keep both concepts of Izaro and Port de Regleun as can never decide between the two.

Have taken some pics tonight of slow developments in Izaro, which as I said will probably come to a halt although I hope to do mini modular things like the El Gaitero restaurant which is on a bit of MDF and removable. A couple of hotels with swimming pools is my next plan. Hope to post the pics tomorrow as my technical adviser has gone to bed.

The CF Tutera football stadium, which I haven't mentioned before but has got infrastructure is another thing to work on plus the Port de Regleun ferries so I don't think I'll be bored.

Hope pics tomorrow.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on November 03, 2017, 07:42:32 AM
Hopefully your move will be straightforward and goes smoothly.
Interesting about the football stadium. Takes up a lot of room though.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on November 03, 2017, 08:11:52 AM
Thanks Martin,

It was (is?) just going to be half a football ground, which off the top of my head is about 3' x 2 1/2' and was going to go in the top right hand corner (depends how you look at it but to the right of where Tutera station would have been ie the mess) with the railway running underneath. The pitch just stopping ie cut off on the far right. I don't know what it would have (or will?) look like but thought CF Tutera could play in La Liga division 2 and perhaps have won La Copa del Rey and qualified for the Europa League, all in the interests of 'special trains'.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-031117075536.jpeg)[/url].

It'll fit on the kitchen breakfast bar to work on so another thing to keep me sane.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS. I'll have to think of how they got into the Spanish league but something will come up but being an independent country as such they will have their own national side who much to the annoyance of the local police always seem to be in England's group  :D
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on November 03, 2017, 08:19:34 AM
The West Cornwall branch of the CF Tutera supporters club are very excited about the club’s progression to the Europa League.
Special train arrangements come to mind.......

And dont get me started on Europa League and Champions League. Champions league.......85% of participants are NOT champions and league.....its a Cup.
Brng back the European Cup, The Cup Winners Cup and the Inter Cities Fairs Cup I say......rant over!
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on November 03, 2017, 08:42:14 AM
Off topic but totally agree re the cups but as always it's all down to TV money.

I don't know if you saw my PS edit above but I obviously have had change my opinion of Mickey Mouse tiny countries and principalities being in the European Championship qualifying rounds  :D

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on November 04, 2017, 08:59:57 AM
Hi all,

Not a great deal to report and, once again, few probs with my computer in that I can't seem to preview the pics before posting so apologies if they're of my usual rubbish, out of focus, standard and if they're the right ones in the first place (will edit if not).

Bit of work was done to the hill and tunnel behind the restaurant. As the sky will just be a lovely Mediterranean blue I thought I'd have a go at painting it myself. Haven't done that yet but hopefully this pic shows the additional ply backboard with the sky dropping down to the right to meet the sea. I'll probably have rocks to break the sky/sea join. Some more ply will be attached to the left but as I've said things are a bit on hold at the moment.

The ledge will have one hotel, maybe two depending on space, with swimming pool. The access road hidden by trees and hopefully some sort of precarious path down to the sea (I'm sure I'm not the only one to come across them on holiday. They're bad enough when you're sober!)......

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117083905.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57602)

Nothing much but pic of the tunnel mouth I made downstairs. I moved the level crossing closer to the station to leave a bit of a gap between it and the tunnel portal.....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117084655.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57603)

The station is loosely based on Sant Pol de Mar where the tunnel is very close to the crossing...

http://l450v.alamy.com/450v/bmhfaa/pedestrian-passage-at-sant-pol-de-mar-railway-station-barcelona-province-bmhfaa.jpg (http://l450v.alamy.com/450v/bmhfaa/pedestrian-passage-at-sant-pol-de-mar-railway-station-barcelona-province-bmhfaa.jpg)

I wasn't too sure about the red? tunnel portal so have gone with similar to Cerbere (but that might change)....

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/J22_695_Bf_Cerb%C3%A8re%2C_Tunnelportale.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/J22_695_Bf_Cerb%C3%A8re%2C_Tunnelportale.jpg)

Have a few train pics which I'll do shortly.

Cheers weave  :beers:


Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on November 04, 2017, 01:40:41 PM
Hi again,

A couple of train pics. I've been cleaning the wheels of various ebay purchase coaches and then boxing up and listing (for myself, not selling). Not all will be run again for the foreseeable future but trying to sort the 'good as news' from the 'needs a bit of work'.

Firstly and a bit Rule 1. An all first class pilgrim train from Rome and Innsbruck passes Platja de Teixir on it's way to the town of Casilda with it's holy shrine and natural thermal spas. The OBB coaches join the FS ones at Genoa and then along the French Riviera, the bar Corail attached with SNCF locomotive at Ventimiglia, and then round to Tutera in Izaro....


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117132419.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57710)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117132532.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57711)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117132628.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57712)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117132735.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57713)

The SNCF BB 72xx is detached at Tutera terminus station and an SNCF BB 67xxx takes it back out on the non electrified line to Casilda (which would have been the Port de Regleun layout, the two being run at different times).....



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117133446.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57714)

Sorry, tres blurred.

Some Spanish/Portuguese ones later but have to take the dogs for a walk. Please Daddy (and there are 3 others)......



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117133656.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57715)

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on November 04, 2017, 02:04:12 PM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117133656.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57715[/url])


Ahhh, bless! :)

I’ve just returned from walkies myself, not too much of a chore as most of the routes round here are along old trackbeds 8)
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Mito on November 04, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
I've just returned with Mutkins, now horizontal on the floor. I can't make up my mind whether to join him or not. :-\
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on November 04, 2017, 10:18:25 PM
Hi all,

Few more pics.

A RENFE 307 is seen at Platja de Teixir with a wine and a sherry wagon from the Tutera marshalling yard, on the other side of town, to stock up the El Gaitero restaurant and various local hotels.....


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117210832.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57728)


Meanwhile, due to wagon cleaning and sorting, the 'Expreso del Norte' from Sant Cristofol to A Coruna in Galicia (North West Spain) only has two regular coaches and one RENFE sleeping car. The portion splitting at Monforte for Oporto also only has two regular CP (Portuguese) coaches and a rustled up Wasteels couchette coach plus a CP postal car (which is a bodge job of mine when I tried to Mr. Muscle off a DB logo on a German parcels coach and it started to go white  :doh:. Went the whole hog and stuck on a CP logo decal. Not really prototypical but I quite like it.

Not quite sure what Semat do but lets say its returning empty to Pamplona after dropping off new VWs to Izaro from their plant there.

A RENFE 269 'Taxi' livery is in charge...


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117215211.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57740)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117215318.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57741)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117215402.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57742)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117215504.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57743)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117215746.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57744)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117215908.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57745)

I hope to do some photos of steam and diesel from the '60s era very soon, with the return of the crowd from Cornwall, which hopefully will be of more interest.

In the meantime (for the dog lovers amongst us as there seems to be a few) here's my motley crew...

William (already shown) (hates me, don't know why)...



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117220610.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57746)

Guinness (loud but lovely)......


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117220901.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57747)

Sophie (older and in charge but so good)....


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117221047.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57748)

Saskia (crazy horse!!!, well little donkey but still crazy)....


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117221239.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57750)

Thanks for looking. I promise to get my photography skills better, get better train pic angles and proper rakes etc. in the future.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS This might be a less blurred photo of the BB 67xxx from the earlier post (?)...



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117221810.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57751)
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 04, 2017, 10:18:59 PM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign: Thanks for the updates Chris
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Mito on November 04, 2017, 10:34:08 PM
Lovely quartet, and the trains ain't bad too. :)
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on November 04, 2017, 11:43:34 PM
Hi,

Meant to say when I pictured the tunnel mouth...


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/735-041117232354.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57752)

The tunnel was made using one of the white polystyrene things on the left. My wife has marine fish tanks and while I was at the aquatic shop getting some stuff for her I saw a whole load of these in a trolley which were going to be thrown away.

'Help yourself, we don't want them was the answer' so if you think they might come in handy for various scenery projects, tunnel mouths, bridges etc. they come in twos and contain frozen fish food packets which they take out and put in an open freezer, then chucking out the containers.

 Quite handy and free.

Cheers weave  :beers:


Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Milton Rail on November 05, 2017, 10:09:29 AM
Coming along nicely Chris & lovely collection of pooches, don't envy you with 4, got my hands full with 2 labs

Hope the Op & move are painless (on both counts)
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on November 15, 2017, 10:06:27 AM
Hi all,

'Tis a sad day in Izaro today as the house is going on the market next month, I'm going to be in plaster for 3 months from January and we will probably have to stay in a transition house (if that's what you call it), which isn't big, for a while next year. The room needs to be clearer and anything train related needs to be small and portable.

SO, it's dismantle time  :doh:  :(  :'(.

The idea is not lost though and Izaro II will hopefully reappear in 2019.

In the meantime I have decided (with the other half's permission of course) to go back to the Port Regleun Brittany layout but keep it simple and portable.

Another pic of the room before the demolition crew arrive...


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/735-151117093251.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58147)

Remember I was standing on a chair on the landing to take this so the room is rather cluttered. Anyway, the plan is to keep the board in front of the window as just a test track oval with sidings in the middle as the Kato track can be easily taken up and boxed. The trestle tables pack up nicely and can go in a shed.

I want a bit of scenery and obviously the Brittany port so I thought I could have 8"/10" wide length of wood along the back wall with a single track coming off the test track oval emerging from a tunnel going along the coast. It would then turn on a 2' or 3' square board, resting on a trestle table, into the sea on a causeway (another length of wood) to the port area, resting on another trestle table, similar to the one that used to be a Verdon...

http://www.frenchlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/FL006018_web.jpg (http://www.frenchlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/FL006018_web.jpg)

That's a bridge but mine would be a causeway to save money.

The port area would be maybe 4' x 2' so it and the turn square should be portable enough and be able to be stored under a bed. The two lengths as well but if they have to go so be it.

Will start a new thread soon but just wanted to explain.

Thanks for the interest, kind comments and 'thank yous' about Principat d'Izaro and as I said it will be back!

Now where's my sledge hammer?

Cheers weave  :beers:



Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Innovationgame on November 15, 2017, 11:36:13 AM
Sorry to hear the bad news, but at least you'll have something to look forward to.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on November 15, 2017, 04:56:08 PM
Looking forward to Izaro II indie course.
Hope you find a suitable transition house that works for you.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Mito on November 15, 2017, 05:52:26 PM
Good luck with the op and move. Being plastered for three months is something to look forward to.  :beers: :pint:  Not so good having to demolish something that has taken time and effort to make.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 15, 2017, 06:56:39 PM

Something Spanish from my collection.   An old Ibertren UT440 unit.   

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/5885-151117185438.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58180)

I'd like to get hold of the red/white model they also made, just for completeness!

Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on November 15, 2017, 09:42:58 PM
Hi ntpntpntp,

I've been looking for one of those for ages. Did see one on ebay from Spain a while back but funds were low and the postage was ridiculous. In a way I'm glad you posted at this time or I would have gone into want one, want one stroppy child mode.

Cheers for the pic. Reminds me of the train I used to get occasionally into Madrid when I was there for a while.

Gracias y salud weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 15, 2017, 10:07:03 PM
I've been looking for one of those for ages.

I have a thing about E.M.U.s, especially the Arnold ET420s (must have a dozen of those). I was at a show a few years ago, and there was a guy selling off all his N gauge. This particular 2-car set was there, but I didn't buy it at the time. A few days later I contacted and he still had it.  Think it cost me £50. 

It took me a while to find an additional centre coach.  A mate of mine actually got one from a boot fair ages ago but he cut it up to experiment with scratch-building!!!  I now have the parts. Finally managed to get hold of the one in the photo to make up a 3-car set.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 15, 2017, 11:12:24 PM
 :hellosign: Sorry to hear Irazo is to be dismantled, hope all goes well for you & the move is smooth
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on November 16, 2018, 12:35:39 PM
Hola,

Can't believe twas a year ago that I had to dismantle the layout.

Anyway, there is a little resurrection for it in that I found a small layout that was my first attempt at Kato track. I thought I had dismantled it but found it while clearing out a lock up that we will not be using anymore.

For those following my Trémargat St. Croix (TSC) layout, I have a 69" x 16" lift out section with hill and bridge between the harbour and a small fiddle yard.

The newly found layout, which was going to be a roundy roundy, with some revamping, should fit in and so I thought I could have a beachside terminus for a part of Principat d'Izaro and be able to run Spanish and Southern French trains around the TSC harbour to stretch their legs and then use the terminus for photo opportunities.

Hope to incorporate the El Gaitero restaurant from the original layout last year over one of the tunnel mouths and keep the mojo espanol going. It's a bit of a mess and I need to remove the branch going to nowhere and remove some edging wood but if the track works  :hmmm: it's nice to have a new project with some of the work done already.

Few not great pics but gives an idea.....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/735-161118122710.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71554)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/735-161118122817.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71555)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/735-161118122859.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71556)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/735-161118122944.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71557)

With the TSC harbour, TSC hill and bridge and now this, it'll keep me busy over Christmas while some of the wife's film selections kick in  :thumbsdown:

Gracias amigos y salud,

weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 16, 2018, 03:42:51 PM
 :hellosign: Many thanks for this update Chris, looking forward to future developments
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on December 11, 2018, 12:48:42 AM
Hi all,

Well the lift out section bit didn't work. There's a proper (ish) explanation on my Trémargat St. Croix thread so won't bore you all again.

Anyway, the good news is I also had another old layout with a bit of scenery and track so have decided to revamp that instead and make it a stand alone part of the Principat d'Izaro peninsular.

It's up and running, although just a single oval and small terminus station (probably Estepera beach) and lots to do but I can run Spanish and Southern French trains to keep the mojo going.

I'll do a proper explanation this evening but just wanted to see if I could post a pic after the upgrade. I have other pics but I'll try one and then post later.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Pic Test.......

 :no: Another day perhaps  :(

Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on December 13, 2018, 09:14:54 PM
Hola,

Think the Gallery is back so just a test....

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/735-131218210745.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72188)

Have had a rethink on a few things so need different photos now and waiting on some glued things to dry  :doh: but hopefully some proper pics soon.

Hope we're all back and running now.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Edit PS Meant to say haven't painted the sea/beach wall yet. All will become clear.

Also, I can't do weathering but will do something with the red pantographs as they're just wrong. Some sort of black wash perhaps.




Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 14, 2018, 07:58:24 AM
Bueno !
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on December 14, 2018, 10:38:17 PM
Hi all,

A few more pics later (hopefully) to show the Platja d'Estepera (Estepera beach) layout. It used to have two tunnels but I have cut them out to replace the track and decided to just put one back (eventually).

I will explain more another time as in where it is on the peninsular etc. but am putting the 'El Gaitero' restaurant on the layout.

As with all my layouts it's set in the '60s one day and '80/'90s/2000 another but this one, as only single track will have to be Spanish trains one day and French another.

The painting of the Kato track is a bit dark but have a ballast solution (hopefully).

Overall pic of the layout. It's very simple as just wanted to run a few trains. Platja d'Estepera is a terminus with a beach at the end for holiday traffic and the loop goes through the tunnel to the imaginary town station and port. The other side is more for pics as I will make another beach (8 inch or so wide) on a separate board butting up to what's there.

I rabbit on too much so here are some pics.

Layout overview......

SORRY - Could post pics yesterday but not today it seems. Thought I'd keep the text though and modify another day.

Back to the vino tinto.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on December 16, 2018, 12:43:57 PM
Hi all,

Think we're back on track with pics again. Got to take the dogs out now and get the roast for later but here's another test to make sure...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/735-161218123857.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72394)

Think that works. Speak later if too many Yorkshires and vino tinto don't whisk me off to bed  :)

Salud weave  :beers:


Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: railsquid on December 16, 2018, 02:12:01 PM
Looks good to me.

The locomotive - is it one of those RENFE ones which had its origins in Japan?
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on December 17, 2018, 12:12:36 AM
Looks good to me.

The locomotive - is it one of those RENFE ones which had its origins in Japan?

Hi Railsquid,

Thank you. Yes is the answer although Wiki is rather vague in places. It was of Japanese design and although most were built in Spain, some had been transported from Japan by sea. Mitsubishi seem to be the manufacturer. Different sites have differing info.

Cheers weave  :beers:

RENFE Series 269 if you want to Google.


Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on December 17, 2018, 10:49:47 AM
Hi all,

Don't know what I'm doing wrong but besides the earlier one this is the only pic I can show. Will take some more and try again.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/735-171218104301.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72412)

They were all taken at the same time and are in one 'my pictures' file in Windows 7 so don't understand why it'll post 2 of them but not the others.

They weren't that good anyway  :).

Oh well. Back to the drawing board.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on December 17, 2018, 12:42:21 PM
OK,

Found another pic the computer likes. It's prob a size thing. Trying to show the layout but it only likes train pics.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/735-171218123124.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72416)

Might give up and just work on the thing.

Errrrrr  :censored: I hate computers but that's only because I don't understand. SWMBO technical advice later in the week.

Cheers weave  :beers:












Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Gizzy on December 17, 2018, 04:18:23 PM
Interesting for me to see this layout, as I'm planning to build my own (Swiss based) railway, using KATO track.

I noted that you have laid this track on a cork base, I guess for quiet running. I would do this for a track without a ballast base (such as PECO), but I wasn't planning to do so for the KATO track, and I hadn't done so for an (unfinished) layout using Fleishmann Piccolo track.

So, do you find that this is a better way to lay ballasted track.... :confusedsign:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on December 17, 2018, 05:38:18 PM
Hi Gizzy,

Am sure others will have more knowledgeable opinions.

 I don't think the cork makes any difference to the train noise but I use it as a smoother base for my rubbish woodworking skills to start with and then for height differences with platforms and walls ie. cutting bits out or adding to allow for the Kato ballast shoulder depending on in station or out in country.

Hope makes sense. Ask again if confused. I usually am  :D

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Gizzy on December 17, 2018, 05:47:36 PM
Hi Gizzy,

Am sure others will have more knowledgeable opinions.

 I don't think the cork makes any difference to the train noise but I use it as a smoother base for my rubbish woodworking skills to start with and then for height differences with platforms and walls ie. cutting bits out or adding to allow for the Kato ballast shoulder depending on in station or out in country.

Hope makes sense. Ask again if confused. I usually am  :D

Cheers weave  :beers:
Makes a lot of sense!

I'm having a baseboard made, so, although I can do wood work, I just don't get the time, or have the space to make one up. I should get it early in the New Year.

I'm not planning to have cork; I could have specified it for my baseboard, but as I'm using KATO track, I've decided not to. I have a plan in my head as to what I want to do, and I'll just muddle through and get some track laid, so I can run my RhB stock....
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on December 20, 2018, 12:25:45 PM
Hola,

Another test as have no idea what I'm doing re resizing the pics to be able to post. If it works, there is the other problem of can't remember what I did. The good missus am sure will help but her work is chaotic at the mo so gave it a go...


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/735-201218122034.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72526)

Yay  :claphappy:

I'm sure it's very easy for you computer folk. Will have to write things down as I go for future reference.

That's the Estepera layout overview which I couldn't post before. There are other pics and will start again with explanations after a lie down. 'Tis nearly siesta time anyway.

Cheers weave  :beers:




Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on December 20, 2018, 01:06:18 PM
Think I've made it too small, but other side. More practice needed.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/735-201218130538.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72528)
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on December 20, 2018, 04:35:14 PM
Hola again,

Still have problems with the size thing but just to give the gist of the plan.

Platja d'Estepera is a resort set in the far Eastern part of the peninsular with a reovable beach (to be built) in front of the sea wall to the right for photo (ha) opportunities.

I'll be sitting on the left by 'resort beach' station. There is a little beach area (about 3 inches) wide where the tracks finish at the window end but you can't see it.

The plan is, where I sit, trains can come from the right from the rest of the peninsular and head round the station avoiding line through the tunnel to the actual 'town' station (off scene and slightly inland).

Various trains will eventually divert and terminate at the beach station. The blank area at the bottom will be a single line to Estepera Port, only accessible from the station with a couple of sidings. Maybe a tunnel to hide the odd coach transferred to a ferry and so possible layout extension in the future.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/735-201218161035.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72530)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/735-201218161134.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72531)

The second plan is that I wanted to incorporate the 'El Gaitero' restaurant that I built before. I thought that if I had lots of buildings nothing would get done so thought the restaurant could be overlooking the right hand beach and surrounded by a vineyard (always wanted one) with a road bridge connecting it and a small wine goods yard where the tram track is. The imaginary resort town will be behind me.

That bit of wood in the middle shown earlier is to make it level so will build round it so I can work on it downstairs. Have been looking at making vines but think mod roc landscaping is the next big job.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/735-201218162935.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72532)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/735-201218163016.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72533)

Thanks for putting up with my ramblings and stop start thread.

We've got guests from the 28th - 5th and apparently there are non railway things to do this Weekend I've been told but any input always welcome.

Cheers, Salud and Santé weave
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on December 20, 2018, 04:54:40 PM
Looks good Chris.
Just right for you to sit with a nice orange juice and watch the trains go by.  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Mito on December 20, 2018, 05:42:26 PM
Looks good Chris.
Just right for you to sit with a nice orange juice and watch the trains go by.  :beers:
Looking good to me too.
Why not fresh squeezed grape juice? :)
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 21, 2018, 07:21:34 AM
Looks good Chris.
Just right for you to sit with a nice orange juice and watch the trains go by.  :beers:
Looking good to me too.
Why not fresh squeezed grape juice? :)

Yep, looking good.

How about old, bottled grape juice ? 🍷
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Bealman on December 21, 2018, 08:26:15 AM
Fermented, I hope  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 21, 2018, 08:06:09 PM
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign:. Thanks for your perseverance Chris, looking forward to seeing this develop.   :beers:
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on January 08, 2019, 11:32:36 PM
Hi all and belated Happy New Year,

Not a lot to report as we had guests for a long time. Then back to work this week  :( .

Have done a bit on the layout but thought no point in trying to post pics until it's all sorted.

Looking at vineyards in the area where the Principality is set and did find this for inspiration......

https://www.visitfrenchwine.com/en/vineyard/visit-the-roussillon-vineyards-wine-tourism (https://www.visitfrenchwine.com/en/vineyard/visit-the-roussillon-vineyards-wine-tourism)

No room for the town but I do have a Tomix? chapel and the 'goblet' vines seem easier to model. Might have mentioned 'goblet' vines before, can't remember.

Anyway, slowly plodding away and hopefully some pics soon. No vines yet, still on the plaster bandage stage.

Hope you're all eating salad and drinking lots of water  :D  ;)  :sick2:

Cheers weave  :beers:





 
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on February 09, 2019, 11:40:46 AM
Hi all, testing flickr....

https://www.flickr.com/gp/168181094@N07/y363u9 (https://www.flickr.com/gp/168181094@N07/y363u9)

Thanks to Martin (Port Perran) for how to use flickr although not quite there yet as don't know how to show just one pic and that it shows the pic without having to click on it.

It's the back, well front of the 'El Gaitero' restaurant by the way.

Will give it another go.

Thanks for everyone's patience.

Cheers, weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on February 09, 2019, 12:05:08 PM
Another go ....

https://www.flickr.com/gp/168181094@N07/La0250 (https://www.flickr.com/gp/168181094@N07/La0250)

EDIT OK can post but just need to work out how to post just one and then how to show the pic.

Any help very much appreciated.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: bluedepot on February 09, 2019, 12:14:56 PM
I like the trees!

Tim
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on February 09, 2019, 04:12:43 PM
I saw the pictures without any difficulty, Chris.  It looks like you have mastered the process.

They were very nice and I look forward to seeing more.

All the best.

John
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on February 09, 2019, 06:21:28 PM
Hi John (and Tim),

Thank you for your replies.

What I mean is I want A. to show one pic at a time and B. be able to have the pic showing rather than people having to click on it to see it.

I'll get there one day maybe.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Hiawatha on February 09, 2019, 07:53:43 PM
Chris, in flickr you will see three icons in the lower right corner of each picture. Click on the middle one, the arrow pointing to the right ("Share Photo"). In the next window "Share 1 photo to:" choose "BBCode" and copy-paste the URL from there into the reply window here (I've also reduced the size to 1024 pixels width).
Your photos:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7899/40070890213_1ec0a5b152_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/243VMBt)010 (https://flic.kr/p/243VMBt) by Christopher Weaver (https://www.flickr.com/photos/168181094@N07/), on Flickr

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7897/32094232967_2937385381_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QU4kjg)013 (https://flic.kr/p/QU4kjg) by Christopher Weaver (https://www.flickr.com/photos/168181094@N07/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on February 09, 2019, 08:36:31 PM
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7876/46316362034_4e88befbf2_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dyPsN7)014 (https://flic.kr/p/2dyPsN7) by Christopher Weaver (https://www.flickr.com/photos/168181094@N07/), on Flickr

More testing

Edit Yay  :claphappy: Thank you so much Martin, Hiawatha, Brian and others. Think I'm there and sorry again for being such a numpty.

Cheers weave  :beers:  :beers: Would like to buy you all a drink. Maybe a couple of cans at an exhibition  :)
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on February 09, 2019, 08:50:18 PM
That’s worh celebrating  :beers:
Well done.
I’ll be lookng forward to more photos.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 10, 2019, 10:53:30 AM
 :hellosign: Excellent photos Chris, thanks for posting
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 15, 2019, 12:07:03 AM
Hi all,

Just testing Flickr, yet again, and hopefully introducing Sant Pau de Mar, which started as a test layout while building the new Port Regleun but couldn't resist a bit of expansion and starting some scenery.

Will explain tomorrow if this works....

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47062319244_6ff0740414_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eGJFTj)IMG_1093 (https://flic.kr/p/2eGJFTj) by Christopher Weaver (https://www.flickr.com/photos/163968319@N02/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 15, 2019, 12:28:45 AM
Well that worked.

Was supposed to just be 2 ovals and a couple of sidings to run a few trains but thought my Spanish and Southern French trains were missing some sun and scenery so it grew slightly. The right hand side has more plans but concentrating on the station area on the left. Have more pics of the developments which are a bit rushed as the wife (phone camera owner) is off to New York on business soon so it was taken off me. Will explain all later today.

The main thing is it all works and I can run trains. This layout, although small is not getting ditched.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS. Before anyone trashes my layout plan (although it still might need trashing) one track is standard gauge and the other Iberian. Hopefully everything will become clear.

 
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 15, 2019, 07:21:11 AM
Good to see some progress Weave. No adverse comments on the layout from here.

With the cat being away, does this mean that there will be more time for playing testing trains?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on May 15, 2019, 07:27:14 AM
Looks good Chris.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 15, 2019, 12:29:24 PM
Hi all,

Well, SWMBO is over the Atlantic as we speak.

Keith, I've already had some cheese and played some of my music (loudly!)  :).

So, to Sant Pau de Mar. The previous layout was slightly too big and slightly too heavy to be moved easily while building the Port Regleun 'round the room' Brittany layout so a test layout on an Ikea table was decided upon.

I like doing scenics, although not very good, but get bogged down by them and never run any trains. The plan here is that the layout will have two sides (roughly divided 1/3 to 2/3s with a removable skyline). The left hand side is the Sant Pau de Mar (SPM) station with a small bit of the fictional long beach to be modelled.

The right hand side will be a small beer, wine and spirit Import/Export business serving the East of the peninsular with sidings from both the single French and Spanish gauge tracks. Haven't decided on the best way to do the headshunts etc. or which track side is which re country origin (might be reversible depending on traffic volume).

I cant afford to buy lots of 'proper' goods wagons as I'll need fuel tankers and the like for the Brittany layout in the future so thought the odd different type of booze wagon would fill my want.

For the moment only scenic work will be done on the station side so I can hopefully complete it while still playing on the other side.

So to pics....

The one from earlier and another showing the two tracks and work in progress on the sidings. The terminating track round to the station was a afterthought as thought it could be for a local train branch line up into the mountains and a good reason for express trains to stop there. More of that later.....

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47062319244_6ff0740414_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eGJFTj)IMG_1093 (https://flic.kr/p/2eGJFTj) by Christopher Weaver (https://www.flickr.com/photos/163968319@N02/), on Flickr


(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47799693392_77793c2fa0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fPTVwG)IMG_1094 (https://flic.kr/p/2fPTVwG) by Christopher Weaver (https://www.flickr.com/photos/163968319@N02/), on Flickr

Bit of tunnel construction. Lost a wine box in the second pic and bit over the top but there is method in my madness (I think)....

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40885124933_4b080785a8_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25hSXe8)IMG_1095 (https://flic.kr/p/25hSXe8) by Christopher Weaver (https://www.flickr.com/photos/163968319@N02/), on Flickr


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Tunnel portals. I wanted to hide most of the curves so the sides are visually separate, the station side is for watching trains go by (and stopping occasionally) with a beer and the other for shunting etc.

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The beach will be in the foreground and that's where I'll sit to watch.

I'll leave it there for a little bit as paranoid I'll lose what I've done (happened before).

Back soon. Thanks for watching.

Salud i Santé weave  :beers:



Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on May 15, 2019, 01:07:04 PM
This looks absolutely splendid, Chris.

A through station on one side and sidings on t' other is my chosen format for my present layout and it works very well indeed (although I say it myself!).  The sidings can be used for shunting but are more of a semi-scenic storage yard.

What size is the layout?  It looks four-ish by two-and-a-bit or so.

I look forward to more pictures.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: AlexanderJesse on May 15, 2019, 01:15:15 PM
Just wondering... Spain, isn't that that western european country with a not-standard gauge, but a larger gauge?

Will you create special tracks featuring a broader gauge, or simulate this by some shunting rules that "simulate" the existence of different gauge tracks and sidings?
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 15, 2019, 01:30:05 PM
Hi again,

Last of the pics but gives an idea of what I'm trying to achieve. Hopefully there will be lots of train pics when the camera phone lady returns  ;)  :).

Here's the double sided backscene. It's a bit over the top (9mm MDF but was all I had). It's designed (ha) to be removable so probably just nice sunny Mediterranen blue sky. Each side of the layout will have a lower edge with trees and shrubs etc. to create the illusion if that makes sense. I'm not a great fan of far away hills backscenes. Some look great and others not so. I just know mine would be in the looks rubbish category. It'll just be down the middle as not bothered about the sides....

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I thought I'd probably put the 'El Gaitero' restaurant from previous layout efforts on top of the wine box as it fits nicely ish (needs work though) with views over the station, beach and sea (it's where I'd like to eat  :)....

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The station building with a bit of foliage. Not a lot is stuck down yet, am still playing around to see what looks right. Thinking taxis in front of station and bus stop and parked cars further up. Have got loads of palm trees to come but don't want it to look too cheesey......

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As I said, I didn't have time to do train pics as the phone was nabbed off me but I did get a glimpse of one as I had promised Nick @ntpntpntp (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5885) that as he had so kindly mended my Rivarossi SNCF 231 I'd make it the first train pic. Had hoped to have it in full view with a train behind it but there's always next week. It's way away from where it should be in North East France but Rule 1 applies. Also need to get some seated figures so the seating area around the palm tree for people waiting for the bus looks like one rather than a polo mint (it's not by the way)....

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I'll leave you all in peace now.

Thanks again for watching.

Off to test and play with some rakes for photo opportunities next week.

Cheers weave  :beers:



Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 15, 2019, 02:24:26 PM
Hi John,

Not a bad guess, it's 150 cm x 78 cm so 4' 11" x 2' 6" ish. Yes, until I finish the station scenic side on t'other side (me mother was from Yorkshire) it'll be handy for train storage. I'm not going to think about future storage as it'll probably be years from now  :).

Hi AlexanderJesse,

I've no real intent on making the tracks look different. One line is for Spanish trains and the other for French. I did think about putting a extra rail on the wall side of the terminating track in the station so that there was maybe two separate Spanish gauge and French gauge branchlines meeting there. It would only be aesthetical as you wouldn't see the Spanish train on the French middle track but then the mainline would look wrong. Will have a think.

Thanks chaps and before I go, I noticed in the last pic that the platform looks far too high for Continental so I wanted to point out it's not. Could be the pic angle, lack of ballast on the edges (which will get done) or the fact it's not stuck down yet.

Just me being self critical and paranoid.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on May 15, 2019, 05:48:04 PM
Looks fantastic Chris.
I’d love to eat in El Gaitero sitting with a few wines watching the world go by.
And great idea to use pol mints as pots for the palm trees  :D
It’ll be great fun to run rains but have fun with the build first.
Regards
Martin
PS - my fingers are crossed for tomorrow evening.

Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 15, 2019, 07:18:05 PM
Thanks Martin,

Thinking about it, sucking on a polo mint until the letters disappear and then pressing it onto the platform would have been a hell of a lot easier  :D.

For those who don't know, Martin's 'my fingers are crossed for tomorrow evening' comment is not because, with the good wife in New York, it'll be my second night alone  :no: but it's a big football match for me  :worried: so thank you again Martin for your support.

Hi all,

I've still never done proper greenery or sand so questions will be asked in the near future.

The layout, like those before, will be set in the 1960's and '80s/90s (on different days). Although the line in France to the Spanish border wasn't electrified until the early '80s, the Spanish line to the French border was, I believe, way before that so potential catenary on both lines wouldn't look wrong in the '60s (the French track catenary could be for potential Izaro local electric trains with their own livery (matt black  ;), I can do that  :D,  :no:).

Need to start a bit of plaster bandaging too (not the football  :D, I'll watch that in the privacy of my own tears) and get ready for, hopefully, a Chelsea Girls visit in the Summer.

Hope to have some 'through runnings' pics next week. Prob just a few booze wagons trundling through and must think up some character names for the new little town.

Enough waffling.

Cheers weave  :beers:







Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 15, 2019, 09:06:22 PM
 :beers: good to see the restaurant again!
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 15, 2019, 09:51:20 PM
Hi Keith,

Thank you.

I think the tables and chairs that the restaurant needs will actually cost more than the whole of the rest of it put together.

I would like it to be a very popular restaurant as well but can foresee reverse bankruptcy with that business plan in model land.

Apparently I've woken up in the night sweating and screaming '100 unpainted Chinese figures'  :no:. I had difficulty painting the bathroom neatly.

The restaurant needs more work but I like it and think when it's embedded in proper scenery it'll look lovely.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 15, 2019, 10:06:47 PM
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign:
  Many thanks for the updates Chris, integrating French & Spanish tracks looking good & I'd love to join you for meal  :beers: in restaurant, nice work so far  :thumbsup:
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 21, 2019, 12:48:36 AM
Hi all,

Only one lot of pics as I'm trying to really, really sort out my rolling stock into some sort of manageable, coded, recorded, I know where that blimmin' coach is, aaaahhh! type of system...... And relax  :).

So, for the moment, to keep the thread going, 1963 and a special train was hired by various brewery owners from Bavaria and the Alsace region of France to discuss a potential beer festival in Izaro in late August / early September.

This would not interrupt the already planned Summer music festivals and the infrastructure would already be in place to hold the event.

While a couple of them alighted at San Cristofol (the capital) to negotiate terms with the powers that be, the four coaches, 2 CIWL sleepers from Strasbourg, 1 DSG sleeper from Munich and a DSG restaurant car (the Germans preferred their own cuisine on such a long trip) carried on to Sant Pau de Mar which had great promise for such a festival.

Sorry, just realised the time. To be continued with my usual not great pics.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 21, 2019, 09:29:16 AM
Morning all,

The special train arrives at Sant Pau de Mar from Strasbourg behind an SNCF 150 X.....

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The two CIWL wagon-lits coaches from Strasbourg at the front....


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The brewers are still enjoying their DSG restaurant car breakfast of Broetchen (bread rolls) with jams, chocolate spread, cheeses, hams, salami, Schwarzwalder (Black Forest gateau) and honey washed down with their local beer.

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As it's early morning the station is deserted and the train has permission to wait a while so the foreign guests can finish their breakfast and then collect their luggage from their different sleeping cars. The Station Master, being rather disorganised, after a quick chat with the brewers, goes back to the station to arrange for luggage trolleys and taxis (thinking to himself that he'd preferred his churros and coffee, although a beer would have been nice  :)).....

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Note to self, think I'll get rid of the feet on the planter?

Luis, a young rail fan, quickly took this pic of the train from the cliff path on his way to school. He is hoping to take loads more pics when school breaks up and improve his photography skills no end...

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Not great but it's a start.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS. While the foreign guests were waiting for their taxis in the station building, this turned up in the car park. The Station Master was as baffled they were.....

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  :D Found it in a job lot box so potential for a race track nearby  :hmmm:. Fleischmann do German horse box wagons but whether British horses could or would travel that far in those days will have to be researched.









Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on May 21, 2019, 09:58:40 AM
Lovely Chris.
You seem to be creating a feeling of space which is good and yes, I’d remove the feet from the planter too.
Martin
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on May 21, 2019, 06:50:19 PM
Great pictures, thank you, Chris.

I really like the 150 X.

As for the breakfast menu; I felt myself going green about the gills.  These brewers clearly have a cast iron constitution.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 21, 2019, 10:36:27 PM
 :hellosign: :greatpicturessign:
   All looking good so far Chris   :thumbsup:
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 22, 2019, 11:10:22 AM
Is that the old Roco 150x loco?   Those Roco 2-10-0s do whine a bit.   One of mine had a butchered Fleischmann motor fitted in it many years ago, much quieter and also smoother slow starts!
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 22, 2019, 01:32:44 PM
Hi Nick,

Yes, 'tis the old Roco one and is a bit noisy but so far it soldiers on. I have two other old Roco locos, SNCF BB63000 and the 10700 or 307 Spanish version of it.
 
Both are noisy but run OK. They seem to be more tolerant of my clumsiness and poor air quality (talking dust and rogue dog hairs before any jokers pounce  :)).

Kato are good but Arnold doesn't like my room or me. Must do better and treat them better.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 25, 2019, 06:12:43 AM
Hi all,

A couple of pics but have had trouble with Flickr, who in their wisdom thought a major upgrade would take 12 hours  :no:, but am waiting on a few more so that it's in sequence and will post later.

Also, I've 'Big chickened' up on the last set of pics (with the German Brewery owners) and these ones in that I've got things the wrong way round. It probably won't matter to anyone else but for my peace of mind, the tunnel with the restaurant on it goes East to Estepera on the coast so the Germans have arrived from the wrong end of the Peninsular and on the wrong track  :doh:.

In the next lot of pics, the trains are going the right way (for the storyline) but I've still got the Spanish and French tracks the wrong way round ie. the line next to the station building should be Spanish gauge.

It sort of matters when it comes to the other side of the layout. I'll move on.

Also, I've introduced a few characters for Sant Pau de Mar on the 'Alternative Cornwall and Friends' thread. A few will get mentioned in the next post.

So, to make a start. An SNCF BB 63000 waits on the branch line with the hourly service up into the hills to Vila Sant Pau. The service is more frequent in the height of Summer with more tourists and pilgrims visiting the ancient spa town with the Church of Saint Paul of Izaro and a monastery which produces Sant Pau liqueur.....

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I don't think you can see it in today's later pics but I've had to change the single tunnel mouth to a wider one as some coaches snag on the curve. This leaves a bit of room to it's right, looking in, so I'm thinking of a stretch of disused Z gauge track between the train and the wall to represent an old narrow gauge line from the past, possibly from the monastery with their fine produce.

The all first class 'La Costa Verde' express train arrives from Estepera (Izaro's third city) in the East bound for Oviedo in Asturias, North West Spain.

It is headed by a RENFE 1800 (318) diesel and has 3, sometimes 4 (coupling broke  :() luxury Butacas coaches and one RENFE CIWL Pullman car. It picks up a restaurant car (can't find a Spanish one  :() at San Cristofol (the capital) and then heads off on the 650 mile trip to Oviedo, picking up sleeping cars in Zaragoza before the long overnight section through the Western mountains.

A couple of the coaches divide at León with one going to Vigo and the other to A Coruna in Galicia. The train is named after the green coast of Asturias. The return train is called El Izariano (but that might be changed)......


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I'll leave it there as too much waffling and don't want to lose it all.

The next post will be more pics and less waffling.

Thanks for reading.

Cheers weave  :beers:


 







Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on May 25, 2019, 07:06:47 AM
No worries Chris - keep waffling on.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 25, 2019, 07:25:49 AM
No worries Chris - keep waffling on.

Oh yes please, keep up with the waffling.

I like the look of the green coast express, nice loco!
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 25, 2019, 10:44:31 AM
Hi again all,

I can't find or remember the exact history of the RENFE 1800 loco but believe they were manufactured in the US and brought over (late '50s/early'60s?) to cope with the mountainous terrain of North West Spain on both passenger and freight trains.

Picture again showing 'La Costa Verde's arrival.....

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Closer pic of the loco.....

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The Butacas lounge cars (sorry, bit blurry).....

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The RENFE CIWL Pullman car.......

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All passengers, including José de La Vega who had met his daughter for lunch and is now going on a business trip to Gijón, have been urged to cross the (being repaired :D) walkway to the platform before the arrival of a Touropa tourist train from Estepera to Munich as due to length of the coaches the SNCF 150x loco blocks it.

The tourist train emerges from the tunnel.....

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to be continued.........


Nothing spectacular happens, just don't want to lose the post  :) and need a little break.

Cheers weave  :beers:



Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 25, 2019, 10:50:57 AM
PS, Just realised why I couldn't find the loco info as I put 1600 and it's an 1800  :doh:. Have amended earlier posts loco numbers :dunce:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 25, 2019, 08:16:43 PM
Hi again all,

Sorry, had a bit of a computer problem and then had to work.

So, continuing on......

The tourist train arrives with two blue Touropa low cost travel couchette coaches and one Scharnow Reisen couchette coach in green, a similar business operation, I believe, sharing the costs......

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More coaches will be added at San Cristofol with tourists being taken by bus to the capital from various resorts along the coast. Most of the train has passengers from Estepera and it's resort but a few from Sant Pau de Mar are in the station building getting their luggage together (I will buy some suitable little people one day  :D)......

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You can see the expanded tunnel mouth that I mentioned earlier in the distance there where I think a narrow gauge line or even a disused siding where it originally went into a point at the tunnel mouth would look good. Not easy to see.

Slight delay in the departure of the Spanish Express (no change there then in those days  ;)) but a good photo opportunity........

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Overview of the trains.....

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Bit more to come later but me dinner's ready,

Cheers weave  :beers:



Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 26, 2019, 09:54:20 AM
Morning all,

Sorry again, got distracted last night by food, wine and a film.

Just one more pic to introduce some characters from this layout and then must do some more work on the car park as it's so bare plus finish the track painting and the tunnel portals etc. etc.

I was a bit bored so I thought I'd do a little story to accompany the earlier pics to introduce the first lot of characters but it got a bit out of hand so I hope it doesn't bore you all too much.

Also I hope this doesn't interfere with @Chris in Prague (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2895) 's storyline but while Sofia de La Vega was staying with her friend Catala Valdez in Sant Pau de Mar they had heard that their friends Sylvia and Eli, who they had met in Cornwall many moons ago, were travelling to Munich to discuss a new UK service for the railway arm of the Touropa travel company.

They both thought it would be good fun to travel up to see them again and also to see what it's like to travel by Touropa couchette.

They knew there was a Touropa tourist train departing the next day in the afternoon so they managed to book two  tickets and arranged to have lunch at the El Gaitero restaurant, where Catala is co owner and manageress, with Sofia's father José , the mayor of San Cristofol, who was going on a business trip to Gijón on the first class 'La Costa Verde' express.

Both trains were leaving at roughly the same time so it all worked out swimmingly.

After a fantastic lunch in the best restaurant in the area they joked about how different their overnight travel arrangements could or would be. 'I think you'll be roughing it a bit' said José 'and think you might be starting sooner than you think' as he noticed a cloud of dust in the car park as three cars sped in and screeched to a halt.

'Here they come' he said with a wry smile. Through his daughter Sofia, José had met Catala's best friends from school before and he referred to Caterina Abelló, Nuria Abelló (sisters) and Aina Cardona as the 'Crazy Bunch'.

'We've come to give you a lift to the station and say goodbye but first we'll have a drink, you're paying big Jo, that's OK isn't it?' said Caterina with a jokey smile. 'I've told you before Caterina', said the mayor, 'please don't call me big Jo but OK'. He always fell for her cheeky charms and beautiful brown eyes.

Three cavas, well a bottle, two claras (lager shandies) and a carajillo (coffee with Mascaró cognac) for the Mayor were ordered. Knowing how the girls loved to chat, knowing how the 'Crazy Bunch' drove and knowing what they drove, José finished his carajillo, thanked Catala and his daughter for a lovely lunch, wished them well on their trip and gave them a kiss. He then thanked the other girls for their offer of a lift but explained that his train was leaving earlier than his daughter's and then walked hurriedly to his pre-ordered taxi that was waiting outside shaking his head but smiling to himself to the shouts of 'cheers big Jo!'.

'Right, come on we'd better go' said Catala 'or we'll miss the train'. 'It'll be fine' said Aina. 'But we're going to meet the boys as well, remember' said Nuria. The girls finished their drinks, got their luggage and walked to the car park. The three cars then sped off with the restaurant's gardener cursing them as he'd now have to neatly rake all the gravel that they had dislodged.

Although the restaurant overlooks the station it's quite a long and dangerously winding road down to it. Sofia was slightly scared at times on their white knuckle ride but they arrived safely, not long after José's taxi arrived as it happens.

The five girls said their goodbyes and Caterina, Nuria and Aina walked from the station car park towards the beach. Sofia and Catala found their compact and bijou couchette compartment and realised that Sofia's father wasn't so wrong about roughing it but it would be great fun and they'd hopefully meet lots of interesting people on the way.

'Who are the boys that Nuria mentioned?' said Sofia to Catala. 'Oh, that's Nicolau Cordona, Aina's brother, and Esteve Roig. They're building a beach bar and small boat rental shack just over there, pointing towards the sea. Nuria's got a thing for Nicolau, Aina's got a thing for Esteve and I think Caterina's got a thing for both of them so that should be interesting'.

'I don't think those cars will be going anywhere today' said Catala as the train jolted to a start....

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...and as the train pulled out, the two girls opened up a bottled beer and waved at the little group on the beach who waved back, confirming what Catala had said about the cars with all five brandishing a beer and no work being done.

(Note to self, must start building beach bar and rental shack)

Thanks for reading and hopefully some more pics (maybe the '80s/'90s era) later today or tomorrow although must do some modelling and apparently we've got mice in our shed so I've got to empty it all out and see what's going on there  :doh:

Have a great Bank Holiday.

Cheers weave  :beers:









Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 26, 2019, 10:40:08 AM
Many thanks, Chris (Weave) for all those interesting photos. and an entertaining short story

Sylvia and Eli's very successful visit to the TOUROPA office did not take long. In fact the long lunch the two girls were treated to in the Augustiner-Keller took longer. Their goodbyes and thank yous made, the girls then made their leisurely way to the English Garden (a large public park in the centre of Munich) to walk off the heavy food and several litres of Light (Helles) bier. It was then time for coffee and strudel before another walk to the Munich Hauptbahnhof where they had arranged to meet their friend, Sofia de La Vega and her friend, Catala Valdez. Walking with them to the taxi rank, a perspiring porter carrying the new arrivals' luggage, "We always like to travel light, don't we," grinned Sofia to the equally beautiful, Catala, who nodded, the four elegant young women attracting many admiring glances.

Arriving at their central hotel, Sylvia and Eli agreed to wait for their two friends to check in and unpack their luggage in their twin bedroom (next to Sylvia and Eli's) whilst they relaxed under a sunshade on the terrace with a small cool Helles each.

"Well, after such a successful meeting, this morning, I think we can look forward to a fun-filled few days with Sofia and Catala. They really are very beautiful," stated Eli.

"Oh, Eli, yes, they are stunning but you and I are really not that bad looking!" responded Sylvia with a smile. "Prosit!"

"Thank you, Sylvia. Jeremy, I know, would never change you for Sofia although any man with a pulse cannot help admiring her looks!"

"True, true. I do know that."

"You two are such a lovely couple, Sylvia."

"Oh, here they are, already!"

"That was quick!"

"A quick change out of our travelling clothes and a freshen up," smiled Sofia.

"Sofia rushed me, " responded Catala, with a mock pout that the approaching waiter found very beguiling. "I really look a mess."

Eli almost spluttered on her Helles. Catala looked as though she had just stepped out of a Paris fashion plate.

"Two spritzers, please", smiled Sofia.

As their waiter departed, Sofia asked the two friends about their plans for their next few days.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on May 26, 2019, 07:26:49 PM
Thanks for the story Chris and Chris.
And Chris (W), did you catch the mice?
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 26, 2019, 08:48:43 PM
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign:
     Thank for the short but very entertaining story Chris & to Chris for a fitting continuation.
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 26, 2019, 09:02:17 PM
Thanks, Martin and Derek. I'll leave the next episode to Chris (Weave).

However, the four girls have been given complimentary tickets, by TOUROPA, in return for writing an article and providing publicity photos. (Eli is a skilled photographer) for a couchette compartment in the brand new UK loading gauge TOUROPA couchette on its inaugural test run, at the beginning of June 1963, all the way from Munich to Penmayne, stopping at Cant Cove, of course. I'll leave Chris (Weave) to work out the routing and the national railways involved. It will travel via the West Porthsea Quay from Regleun then, if I remember correctly, via Truro then up ('Down' in railway terminology) via Port Perran and Trepol Bay attached to the CIWL Pullmans plus the BR SR BCK added at West Porthsea Quay. From there it will be hauled by a special steam loco., train heating not being required in June, it is hoped. I'll leave Chris (Weave) to add the other Continental passengers and where they board, as well.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 27, 2019, 12:43:30 AM
Thank you Chris (IP), Martin and Derek,

Martin, due to other chores that cropped up the 'Great Weave Shed Mouse Hunt' had to be postponed until tomorrow but will keep you posted. Mrs Weave has agreed to help me then. I anticipate lots of jumping and screaming but she's promised to calm me down  :D.

Thanks again Chris (IP). I was pretty sure Sofia was/is mates with Sylvia and Eli but not 100% about Catala so hope I haven't mucked that up.

Regarding the four girl's trip, I'll give it a go but won't have pics of the UK loading gauge Touropa couchette just yet. Regarding other travellers, they might meet a guy from Dortmund, further north in Germany on their trip,  who works for the Wickueler Brewery where possible future business ventures may be discussed. (I bought 4 old style brewery wagons of theirs on a whim  :)).

Anyway, back to Sant Pau de Mar. While Sofia and Catala were arriving in Munich the following morning things were pretty much as normal with the arrival of the TER (tren espanyol rápido) from Barcelona (on the correct tracks this time  ;)).....

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At the same time a goods train arrives from Vila Sant Pau with boxes of liqueurs from the monastery there who, like many monasteries produce alcoholic beverages to fund their existence. The boxes are due for export to Spain, Morocco (via Algeciras) and Portugal but will have to wait to be brought over to the Spanish line platform until the morning trains have finished and there's a gap in the timetable......

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Unfortunately, today was the day that work was supposed to begin on replacing the palm trees in the station car park that had blown down in a March storm but the contractors couldn't begin as, although signs had been put up about NO PARKING, three cars had been left there  :D. Railway staff set about finding the owners.....

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The TER has headed off to Estepera closely followed by the arrival of the Madrid Talgo. The line from Sant Cristofol to Estepera hasn't been electrified (yet  ;)) so a RENFE class 307 (Spanish version of the SNCF BB63000 on the other track) normally hauls the train with the RENFE 276 electric leaving the train at the capital. However, due to a coupling failure the diesel will have to pull the whole train to Estepera where the problem will be sorted....

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After the Talgo train had departed the Station Master was informed by the local Police that the owners of the three cars left in the car park had been located asleep at the aftermath of an all night beach party further along the coast. The three young ladies, according to the Police, were still not sober enough to drive but that they had their keys and would move the cars ASAP so that the palm tree contractors could proceed.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on May 27, 2019, 07:59:24 AM
Thank you for those pictures Chris.
The railway staff and police were most tolerant in not towing those three cars away. No doubt the girls thoroughly enjoyed the beach party though.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 27, 2019, 08:25:19 AM
Hi Martin,

This is practically Spain remember. I think the only guy in town with a tow truck was at the party as well  ;)  :).

Not sure whether to do a line of palm trees along the platform/ car park edge or two clusters of 3 trees, one in the middle roughly where the cars are now and one to the right of the car park which would separate the cars from the bus stop area. Or something else, not sure, any ideas?

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Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on May 27, 2019, 08:45:44 AM
Intial thoughts were lineside  fencing but then I reasoned that this is not Britain (we love fencing things off).
Maybe two clusters of trees separated by a couple of largish flower boxes  with flowering plants. Easy to make with a rectangle made of coffee stirrers filled with scenic soil. The plants can be green tree foliage dotted with paint to represent flowers.
And, a couple of concrete seats ?
What about a small fountain or other water feature?

Or am I getting too carried away now ?

I’m sure that whatever you do it’ll look just fine.
Martin
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 27, 2019, 09:08:16 AM
Thanks Martin,

Am making a mock up as we speak with planters so I can move them about to see what's best. Pics to come later this morn.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 27, 2019, 11:40:15 AM
Hi all,

Have done the mock up of the car park scenery. Am thinking that there wouldn't be too many cars parked there during the day as it's not a commuter town and most locals would be dropped off at the station or walk there.

I think a reasonably ample taxi rank in front of the station building is needed for tourists and locals as well as the bus stop area.

I'll cut the bottom off the planters either side of the station building so that they're planting areas with a small wall around. The palm tree areas in the car park have had the bottoms cut off so are to a similar plan. The trees are just bluetacked in but will have small flowering shrubs around the bottom.

The platform will have benches eventually in front of the planted areas with the trees providing some shade.

By the way the blue BMW represents a taxi as can't find the two taxis that I have......

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Any thoughts good or bad very welcome.

Cheers weave  :beers:




Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: port perran on May 27, 2019, 12:04:46 PM
Looking good in my opinion.
Maybe some climbing plants with flowers on the walls of the station building eventually ?
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 28, 2019, 07:29:14 AM
The tree arrangement is looking good. I agree that some flowering plants in the Lego planters is a good plan.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 28, 2019, 08:54:40 AM
Thanks Keith although what do you mean lego?

They are made from balsa wood, painstakingly cut to exact lengths to make perfect rectangles. They are then stuck to a balsa base, sanded and painted white with three coats of matt enamel. Circular holders are added to the base to hold the bottom of the trees when glued and not blue tacked and uniform holes are carefully drilled to allow the PVA glue mix to flow freely through the ornamental gravel mulch.

If only they were lego it would have been so much easier  ;)  :D.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS For Martin (PP), the mice have been evicted. Seven live ones who fled and one already dead, hence the smell that alerted us. Found the food source. Although Mrs Weave swore blind that there wasn't any bird seed in there, there was, loads in a cardboard, semi eaten for bedding, box. Hopefully they wont come back and I've got lots of brownie points for taking everything out and cleaning up the mess. Also if I muck up I can play my bird seed/mouse card  :D

Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on May 28, 2019, 09:33:23 AM
I really like that last set of pic with the palm trees, Chris.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: chorleysteve on May 28, 2019, 11:20:29 AM
Just caught this thread, and wonderful story

Keep up the good work; very reminiscent of summers in Catalonia  :beers:
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: weave on May 28, 2019, 01:35:40 PM
Thanks Mick (NPN),

The trees are a bit uniform and the green's not quite right but I quite like the effect.

Hi Steve,

Glad you like it so far. Any compliments always appreciated.

Salud weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 29, 2019, 09:43:02 PM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign:
    Many thanks Chris all looking really splendid, defintley the flavour of Spain
         regards Derek.
Title: Re: Principat d'Izaro (French/Spanish layout)
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 02, 2019, 10:48:07 AM
Good morning, Chris (Weave)

I like both the planters either side of the station building and the way that the palm trees are arranged. Small flowering shrubs around the bottom of the palm trees will be an excellent addition. I agree that appropriate painting of plastic scenic items, like the trees, always is an improvement. Otherwise, they can look too shiny.

The station building looks suitably Mediterranean. Concrete or other material seats are an excellent idea plus some continental posters? A small fountain would be a cooling and attractive addition. A refreshment stand selling chilled drinks (citron pressé*) and ices, too.

There is a great variety of trains passing through.

*Citron pressé means “squeezed lemon” and is really just deconstructed lemonade. I prefer it to lemonade because each person is able to adjust the sweetness and tartness to their own taste (I make mine really really sour). This is possible because each component is served separately. You get a jug of iced water, a container of freshly squeezed lemon juice (local fresh lemons are best), a container of simple syrup (sugar dissolved in water), and a glass with ice.